A NICE story about Milton
by Doggie Stalker on Sep 2, 2009 10:53 AM CDT
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My friend Irv was at the game last Tuesday with a group of older survivors of heart surgery etc. They were on the main concourse when Theriot , Dempster and Milton came though with some security ( I think it was after the game but might have been before), Theriot, Dempster went right past but Milton stopped for a lady asking him to sign her program. He stayed and chatted for a few minutes and signed for other folks. The lady was THRILLED and proudly took her autographed program to work the next day. Needless to say this kind of story never makes it in the papersl
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Oh yeah?
Well, i saw MB punch a kitten on Waveland last week.
Right in the ear. Brutal.
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by AndrewJStone on Sep 2, 2009 11:02 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
look
he has to catch and eat his prey in the manner of his tribe.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Sep 2, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Well he challenged Michael Vick to a duel for his dogs versus his babies.
there beat it
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
I saw him kidnap ERIC HANNA
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Good for him!
At some point, maybe he’ll realize that not every Cub fan is represented by the bleacher morons.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Sep 2, 2009 11:07 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
morons
are NOT confined to the bleachers at the friendly confines.
"The Cubs are due in sixty-two." - Ernie Banks
That may not be a bad idea, though.
Designate a “Morons Section” in the bleachers so we could keep an eye on them. Maybe put a plastic dome over it so they couldn’t throw anything.
Mr. Ricketts, I’m here to help. Call me.
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
Don't even suggest it...
….it’ll just become the next trendy thing, and we’ll have the frat boy/pink hat crowd trying to outdo themselves to get to the front of the line.
"I tried to let Ryan know that [jumping over the dugout railing] was a thing that maybe just athletes should stick to." -- Ted Lilly, 28 July 2009
by CaughtInTheVines on Sep 2, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
it is actually a great idea,
raise the prices for the moron section, use the funds bring in more Milton Bradley’s – the circle of life.
"The Cubs are due in sixty-two." - Ernie Banks
by BatCubFan on Sep 2, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
a snow globe
of morons?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
What do you get when you shake it?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Tears from the rational world
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
All the beer foam sprays around and then floats down like little snowflakes.
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That's "morAns"...
Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...
Amen.
I don't believe it
Milton is obviously incapable of any sort of niceties. He is soulless and, in fact, quite evil.
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
Theriot probably saw a mirror and couldn't wait to get in front of it.
"Was you ever punched in the face five hundred times a night? It stings after a while." ~Rocky Balboa
by Goodie1969 on Sep 2, 2009 11:39 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Dempster is Canadian...
So that explains him. Theriot, well he’s just a jerk. And from now until forever, he shall be known as St. Bradley. SARCASIM!!! I’m glad to read about this. He can’t be all bad, he just make dumb comments sometimes.
Hey man
We Canadians are effing nice people…believe me, or I’ll punch you in the face!
;)
Scott Bora$ is satan.
by Canadian Cubs Fan on Sep 2, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
So now were praising Players
Who sign an autograph?
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
Read the Fanpost again.
He didn’t just sign an autograph.
This is a very cool story.
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Who cares...
if it was just a few minutes and a couple autographs? It shows that Bradley does indeed appreciate his supporters. Judging by this story (coupled with his recent negative comments) plus the quotes of Soriano, I believe it is fair to say that both realize that not ALL Cub fans are out there to boo and slam the players.
I was one who had little problem with the comments made by Bradley and I feel this story justifies, to some extent, the negativity that various Cubs have directed towards the fans.
Milton Bradley: My New Favorite Cub
by Kansas25 on Sep 2, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 9 recs
rec'd
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
that whooshing sound you heard
was the point of the post flying over your head
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~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Sep 2, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for
posting this Jessica. Makes me appreciate Milton even more.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
I noticed last night
That after we won and the outfielders did their traditional “bump,” Dome said something to Milton, and they both seemed to have a good laugh over it. Maybe there’s chemistry after all?
"I tried to let Ryan know that [jumping over the dugout railing] was a thing that maybe just athletes should stick to." -- Ted Lilly, 28 July 2009
by CaughtInTheVines on Sep 2, 2009 1:21 PM CDT reply actions
Yes I saw that too.
Wish we knew what they said.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
Agreed
That was very nice to see.
by Mike Vails Evil Twin on Sep 2, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I liked seeing Ricketts there, as well.
Even though this season seems to be fading, I have a good feeling about the years to come with him at the helm.
"It's hard to win 97 games, it's hard to win the division. Our attitude is if you get in every year, you get in most of the time, sooner or later you are going to knock that door down." -- Jim Hendry
The weird / sad thing....
If Milton had started the season producing like he is now, none of the “Milton Moments” that occurred during this season wouldn’t have happened.
Nice story. I want to like the guy, I really do. Hopefully things will be looking up. Milton-wise, from here. Whenever it cuts to him in the dugout it looks like he’s comfortable around everybody and its smiling and talking.
I’ll be the first to say that I want this guy on the roster next season.
"It's hard to win 97 games, it's hard to win the division. Our attitude is if you get in every year, you get in most of the time, sooner or later you are going to knock that door down." -- Jim Hendry
*most likely wouldn't have happened.
"It's hard to win 97 games, it's hard to win the division. Our attitude is if you get in every year, you get in most of the time, sooner or later you are going to knock that door down." -- Jim Hendry
You aren't the first
to say this but welcome ot the club. :-)
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
room for more?
I wanna join
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
This is, to me, another example of what a
…complex, not easy to classify personality Bradley is.
This isn’t the first time that I’ve heard of how he tends to be much better about autograph requests and giving time to fans than many other more popular players are.
Still, in other ways, he often seems to be his own worst enemy. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; he might be better off playing in a smaller market where the media glare (which he doesn’t seem to be able to handle very well) isn’t quite so intense.
by bluekoolaide on Sep 2, 2009 3:16 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
This is a well-reasoned description of Milton.
I’m sure he can be very nice, and I’m glad he was to this fan who asked. Nice story.
And bluekoolaide has hit the nail on the head — Milton would probably do better in a smaller market. Just sayin’.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Would the cubs be better without him???
Seriously. No lamenting who could have been here, no “the money could have been better spent”… do you really believe the team would be better next year without him?
I just don’t see how he’s replaced.
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Depends on what other moves are made.
If you just dump him without getting another outfielder who can hit, you’re correct.
But you cannot see that kind of move in a vacuum.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
no
the Cubs would not be doing better without him.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Sep 2, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
How on earth do you know that?!
Seriously, without knowing who they would have had instead, how can you say that?
"Fasten your seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
because he's the second best hitter on the team
and there’s every reason to think he’s returning to form.
His defense is good. His offense is good. Who is out there and available who is better than him?
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Sep 3, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Any answer I could possibly give would be hypothetical.
My point is, how can you tell if he is better or not? Short of going back in time to the beginning of the season and inserting someone else, there is no way to compare. Even if you think you know how other players are doing this season, you can’t for sure say what they would have done with the Cubs. So to me, there is no way of proving he would be better or worse.
"Fasten your seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
I've never heard so much love
for someone who has hit .230 with RISP, and has 37 RBIs. I’d take double that amount of RBIs for someone who has a .350 OBP.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
>37 RBIs should be easy for anyone
especially when you’re paid like Milton.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
With that said
his home/road splits are drastic. For all his hatred for Cub fans, he’s remarkably “torn the cover off the ball at home,” and has been nothing short of awful on the road.
Home- .970 OPS
Road- .652
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
No, Milton would be doing just fine if the rest of the team hadn't fallen apart.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
I have watched Theriot and Dempster
interact with Fans and the fact that they walked by and snubbed everyone does not surprise me. Especially Theriot. I have watched Milton stop his car leaving Wrigley to sign for fans. That’s great. He still is not our solution to right field. When you play that poorly, the only thing you can do is sign for people.
when asked about his performance against the Reds - Lieber said the following
"Well obviously I made some bad pitches today, left to many over the plate and they got good wood on the ball. The only good thing was that I was able to get back into the clubhouse earlier then I planned so I could eat."
completely agree
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
can't see any facts
from behind the tinfoil?
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Sep 2, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Can you see any truth
Behind you blinders?
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
you gonna try this with me
again? Seriously?
Don’t make me get out fangraphs. You never win.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Sep 2, 2009 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions
that isn't
“truth” to cubsluver. Only what he thinks is the real story. The rest of us just wear blinders.
Here is a stat for you
Hitting with RISP: .230 with 37 RBI
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/246855-time-for-teams-to-take-reality-checks
Cluth (How much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment.): -.05 putting him 11 out of 26 for RFers.
Let’s talk about value, of the 26 players listed at fangraph for RF he is listed as 14/26 (meaning that 13 Players are worth more)
His OBP is outstanding 2nd overall for right fielders with a .398, but lets look at his wOBA (weighted on base average) he has a .364 putting him 13th.
But one of the most telling number is Replacement (explained here http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/win-values-explained-part-four): Bradley has a 14.1 which makes him 25/26. Meaning every other RF is more valuable than Bradely expect Ordonez.
Milton Bradley is an average to sub-average player.
The sun will shine in '69
I hate sabermetrics.
The value thing probably has it about right. Between his somewhat above-average play and somewhat below-average playing time his performance has been right in the middle of the league’s right-fielders this year. That said, there are 30 teams in MLB and only 26 RFs listed, so we’re assuming we’re getting more out of Milton than the 4 teams with no RF listed. To be honest, I’m a little disappointed with Bradley’s overall performance this year.
The “clutch” number might better be called a “luck” number. It doesn’t correlate much from year to year, and .05 is essentially 0: he has performed equally well in high and low-leverage situations, for what the number is worth (not all that much). Ranking players on it is dumb.
And “replacement” just means playing time. He has played less than any starting right fielder but Ordonez (and whoever is the “starter” for the 4 teams that have none). That’s not good, but it’s only a component of value.
I love sabermetrics, but now that they’re popular all the idiots want to play in the clubhouse. If you don’t know what the numbers mean or which ones are meaningful, play somewhere else. Like the Dan Ryan.
Please correct me if I am wrong
but doesn’t Replacement mean that if MB were to get injuried that it would cost the team 14.1 runs, if they had to replace him with that they call a “4A” player? So loosing MB would cost the team 14.1 runs. As compared him to other teams, almost every team would hurt more if they lost their RF?
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You're wrong.
When you look at the Fangraphs “value” section, the columns “batting” and “fielding” are measured in runs above average; “batting” against the average MLB hitter and “fielding” against players at the positions the player has played, proportionally.
“Positional” and “replacement” account for how much a guy plays and where. “Positional” is the value of average production at the positions a player has played. A SS with average hitting is more valuable than a 1B, so he gets a higher “positional” score; add “hitting”, “fielding”, and “positional” and you have something like a “runs above average” score. “Replacement” is how many runs below average a AAAA player getting his playing time would probably be. A guy that plays every inning gets a high “replacement” score for taking a AAAA player off the field for a lot of innings. So add in the “replacement” column and you get performance over the replacement player.
So Bradely would produce 14.1 runs more than a AAAA player?
and that can not be compared to other RF in MLB?
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Taking the numbers at face value
Bradley has hit 10.3 runs better than an average MLB hitter and fielded about 2 runs worse than an average fielder for the innings he’s played, mostly in RF and a few in CF. Since it’s relatively easy to find decent hitters to play mostly RF and very little CF, he’s given a -5.1 run positional adjustment… since the average defensive production for someone that’s played the innings he has at the positions he has is by definition 0, I take this to mean that the average offensive production of someone that’s played the defensive positions he’s played is +5.1 runs. Adding these together, he’s been something like 3.2 runs better than average (which is very close to average).
The 14.1 in the replacement column means that an average player, given Milton’s # of plate appearances, would be 14.1 runs better than a replacement player. You can compare this number to other RF in MLB, but all it compares is their # of PA. Milton has produced 3.2 runs over an average player, and the average player 14.1 runs over a AAAA player. This, plus some rounding error, is his 17.4 runs over replacement.
This all said...
… there are sometimes reasons not to take the numbers at face value. I’m not saying that I do or don’t, just that you can use other numbers instead, as long as they measure the same thing.
The “batting” column measures runs above average MLB hitters using linear weights, but you could measure against average MLB hitters using RE24 instead. I’m sure there are others… you could convert WPA or even “Championship PA” to a run scale if you really wanted crazy results.
The “fielding” column measures runs above average MLB fielders at the same positional mix as the player in question using UZR; there are a few other systems that use different methodologies and give ratings in runs above average players at that positional mix… Dewan +/- is the main competitor to UZR as I understand it, but there are several other systems.
If you disagree with these guys on positional value you could come up with your own theory and plug it in for the “positional” column. And if you disagree with the level they chose for replacement level you could come up with your own value for “replacement”. Or omit it entirely for certain kinds of analyses (when considering roster construction often “replacement level” is a useful concept and baseline, but when considering worthiness for the Hall of Fame, you might want to set the bar higher, to value short stretches of greatness over long stretches of being pretty good… or maybe you don’t, it’s up to you).
This is important because it lets you use the formulae more flexibly. If you were a fan of an AL team considering trading for Bradley to play a combination of LF, RF, and DH next year, you could figure out how valuable he’d be to the team given various possible levels of production and health.
So compared to the other RF on MLB
MB is still in the bottom half of RF compared to other RF’s. Does it matter that he was injuried as compared to hitting poorly his numbers this season compared to other RF’s would indicate that he is about average maybe a little lower.
IMHO that kind of production could be found elsewhere for less cost.
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And the reason I even used them is because
Drew stated that my “gut feeling” is not a valid reason, oh alright my “gut feeling” isn’t a valid reason.
But all I did is compare his numbers to other RF in MLB. As you stated only 26 people are listed, I think for 4 teams have RF that don’t qualify due to lack of AB’s.
When you look at his numbers compared to other RF’s he doesn’t suck completely, and he doesn’t rock completely, he is an slight above (in some categories) to slightly below (in some categories) average RF.
Drew said he was going to pull out fangraph to support his position, well there are somethings that would say that he is not completely correct as to MB’s stats. Drew is right though, MB has an ungodly OBP. But does that translate into runs scored. He does score runs but he does not produce RBI’s. As I have stated he was brought in as a middle of the order hitter, which is suppose to generate RBI’s.
As far as him signing autographs, he is better than most MLB players, and I am glad. He did a good thing, and a check to his positive column.
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Not completely correct?
I’m not completely correct? I quote the stats. You just don’t like it.
We all know that Bradley had a bad April and a mediocre May and June. That pulls his numbers down. We cannot predict the future, which means two things — we don’t know how good he will be, and we don’t know how bad he will be. Based on his career numbers, he’s a good to very good batter, and an above-average to good fielder.
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Sep 3, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
But but but...
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by AndrewJStone on Sep 3, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
But but but
are we taking away time periods again? Ok you say he had a bad April, May and June. Fine I say his July and August we above what we can expect and therefore they shouldn’t count either.
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April and may looked nothing like his carrer norms (an adjustment period isn't unreasonable)...
… while July and August seemed to.
Again, i maintain that you are certainly capable of getting this, and are choosing not to for some abstract reason beyond his actual production. Why, man? Why?
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by AndrewJStone on Sep 3, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Why do you get to say which months are acceptable?
You want to throw out 3 month. I choose to look at this year as a whole. If you want to look at only part of his work, then glad for ya, I prefer to look at the entire picture.
Even you can understand that, right?
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Whatever...
… i’m not going to continue this debate with you if you are so willing to ignore the reality of whats taking place.
For a couple of months, MB sucked. Those months were outliers, by most indications. He has now returned to career form and become one of the more productive players on the team we cheer for.
If for some reason you want to focus on the couple of months he didn’t look great (even though all indications point towards those months being outliers) just to prove some agenda you have, so be it. I expect you’ll hold everyone else to the same level and i’ll be looking forward to your FanPost calling for DLee to be traded, being that he slumped early this year as well.
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And I did ask about benching or cutting him at the time.
I still wonder if replacing him with Fox and trade D-Lee isn’t an option but this is about the Mancrush several people have here about Bradley. I don’t believe the baggage he brings with him is worth his production, as his production can be replaced.
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Fox just showed
why he should not replace Derrek.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
Explain, exactly...
… how that baggage has affected this Cubs team in terms of W’s and L’s?
Dude has had one suspension, on a play he was arguably jobbed on, and the suspension was cut in half by MLB.
Are we going to call for the dumping of all players who’ve been suspended as well as all players who have slumped?
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I believe we are at what is called an impasse
You love Bradley for his production and what he brings to the field. I detest him for his production and what he brings to the field. We will agree to disagree on Milton Bradley.
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Well, damn.
I was excited for the “Get rid of DLee, Sori, Soto and MB!” debate.
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And considering that, i'm not against...
… you continuing in your role of “commenter”.
I’m just glad you aren’t steering this ship.
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Iceberg, straight ahead!
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Can I ask
why anytime anyone posts a MB comment, you go into attack mode, and rehash the same arguments in multiple threads?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Bradley stole his girlfriend...
… and got to first base with her. :-)
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well
I guess there was no RISP
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
He was lucky...
… DLee was there right behind him to take him on home.
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Really man
You want to keep digging at me?
Just drop it alright. You won, I’m not going to post about MB anymore, just let it go.
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I don't really, I'm in two posts, well maybe three
Someone posts that MB is good for the team, I don’t agree with it. I post my feelings toward that, I get told produce numbers, I produce numbers, I get told I am using the numbers wrong because I cherry pick catergoies produce dislike for other players.
Why is it that it is alright for 3-4 people to make posts that Bradley is “one of the hottest hitters” on the team comments (which is accurate for a time period) and that’s ok but if someone voices a differences of opinion they are shouted down for being wrong.
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I am not saying it is wrong
what you are doing, just was curious.
Some seem to bash for the sake of bashing, others have a legit reason.
bashing may not be the best word, but i am sure you get the idea
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
And same arguments are used in support of MB
his OBP is outstanding since (insert date that supports claim)
He is the hottest hitter since (insert date that supports claim)
He is good for the team because (insert one action that support claim given by someone who saw once a person who told story about MB doing something nice)
The 150 and change that believes Milton Bradley is good for the team have the right to voice the opinion, I disagree with it. The same arguements are used in the threads
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I want to apologize for being so inflammatory in this post.
I was drinking gin when I wrote it, but that’s no excuse. In the ensuing posts gaclaudy showed an honest desire to learn about WAR calculations, which is cool. And the point he’s making about Bradley’s mediocre performance this season is reasonable. I think Bradley will play better the next two years, but none of us really know — it surely won’t just be a matter of luck swinging his way, he really will have to rediscover his ability to hit for power, which, at least by the numbers, has come and gone over his career very unpredictably (I’m sure injuries play a part, and those are very hard to predict).
Injuries and his home field.
Again, last years stats were no doubt inflated by where he was playing.
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by AndrewJStone on Sep 6, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Same material as yesterday, huh?
Tell Blou I said hi at your next meeting “BCB posters with no so many thoughts in their head Club” meeting.
Some people say the glass is half empty, some say half full. I say, are you going to drink that?
by BleedsbluinMI on Sep 2, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
perhaps
you need a dictionary. And not the BCB one. “Poorly”?
"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Sep 2, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Dempster???
Don’t know much about Theriot, but Dempster??? Last two Hundley Fantasy Camps in January, he’s been at Fitch working like a mad man getting in shape. We left him alone while he worked out, but afterwards, nice and as regular guy as can be. This last March, during a Spring game, since he wasn’t pitching, he spent the first five or six innings sitting in the middle of a bunch of fans, shooting the breeze with everyone, watching the game, having a good time.
Your last sentence was uncalled for.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
You're right!
Dempster has been great which I can first hand attest to and Theriot is the same. The guy runs clinics for children, does charity in LA, and has been a role model for kids.
I’m really glad that this story was mentioned because we need to hear more positive things about any player on our team.
I’m not a fan of Bradley but I can appreciate when he plays well and sometimes he wears his heart on his sleeve too much.
I’ve run into Dempster enough that I wonder if he lives in Park Ridge or nearbhy.
I’ve seen him sign and talk to fans for up to an hour.
Don’t know much about Theriot but have heard nice things.
Maybe the Ryans were heading to an apperance and Bradley happened to be leaving too but didn’t have a deadline.
I had to delete my twitter account. But you can still find me at fanfiction.net under puckish prosecutor.
by puckishcubsfan on Sep 3, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
He lives in Wrigleyville but maybe he has friends in Park Ridge
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Sep 3, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I have heard wonderful things about Dempster's interaction with fans.
In any event I did post this to diss them just to point out Milton did stop and really made one Cub fan’s day.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Sep 2, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
i hope you forgot the SARCASM notation
since you are wrong on many levels here
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
I watched Rich Harden...
deny a bunch of kids autographs during his rehab assignment at an Iowa Cubs game there. It’s not like he had to stop and sign 100 autographs. All he had to do was stop and say hi… these little things go a long way toward a lasting PR campaign.
Proud recipient of a hot dog shot from the Iowa Cubs hot dog gun.
No kidding, some players are so selfish. It does go along way to put in a little effort.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
I hate to hear that
about Rich.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
That's really odd.
… because Harden is one of the guys always signing for kids at Wrigley. Maybe he had something he needed to get done right then at the Iowa game.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Same Here...
I got Harden’s autograph after a game at Wrigley…. And what had impressed me was when a fan in front of me was getting his autograph, the fan asked Rich how we was feeling— Rich then asked how the fan was doing…. I think we can’t take the bad incidents too seriously, these players and still human beings with real life obligations as the rest of us do..
Autographs
I shudder whenever I hear someone post something about the one time they saw “X” player and he didn’t stop to sign autographs. Ya, its entirely possible that the player routinely doesn’t sign autographs. However plenty of players are really great about signing autographs, yet they don’t, nor are they able to sign every time someone asks. So while its possible that someone like Rich Harden doesn’t sign for fans often, its just as likely that he’s really great about doing so. Sometimes players have places to get to. Sometimes they aren’t feeling all that well. Sometimes they’re just plain in a bad mood (like we all experience from time to time) and just don’t feel like it. So while people are certainly allowed to bring up what they see, lets realize that one example does not necessarily tell the entire tale.
by dmlichte on Sep 2, 2009 4:35 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd
It seems that it’s hate on Cubs players month. Cubs fans have been really lowering the bar recently.
Life is parallel to hell but I must maintain
by dr stabbingworth on Sep 3, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions
until players are followed 24 hours a day for a whole season so that their every interaction
with a fan is recorded i’ll try not to base my opinion of their character on random fan-player interaction accounts. Milton is probably more like any of us than we’d like to admit – he just has a wider audience
by doofus cubs guy on Sep 3, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
This isnt unusual
The media won’t publish it but Bradley actually does sign autographs quite often and also quietly does stuff in the community.
It is unusual that Dempster and Theriot don’t stop to sign but perhaps they were on their way to some kind of workout.
I had to delete my twitter account. But you can still find me at fanfiction.net under puckish prosecutor.
or God forbid Dempster
was heading home to see his daughter, crazy idea right?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Bradley and Alou
I think Bradley if the GM isn’t stupid enough to trade him because the media wants him to could have a Moises Alou type Cubs career. Remember how Alou sucked in 02?
Hendry or someone else should realize the fact the media wants Bradley gone is a big reason to keep him.
The day a GM or Manager listens to the media is the day he needs to be fired.
I had to delete my twitter account. But you can still find me at fanfiction.net under puckish prosecutor.
by puckishcubsfan on Sep 3, 2009 9:35 AM CDT reply actions 5 recs
rec'd
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
autographs
very hit and miss situation. the guy you sign for will praise you and the guy you dont sign for will curse you. good for bradley but still would like to see him gone. seems like he has a chip on his shoulder everywhere he goes.maybe next year he might be better.
I heard racial slurs at CitiField for Bradley
Everyone at the park was really nice but this one guy was overly rude.
I will not repeat what he said but he made all the nastiest comments he could. And of course he had his teenage children with him too. Great role model.
Like that father and son combo
That ran out on the field at the Sox game a few years ago to beat on someone?
"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill
every fanbase
has its share of boneheads, sadly some are worse than others
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
I was pleasantly surprised overall by Mets fans this year
Usually they are nasty people.
However even worse are the NY Cubs fans I’ve met. I hate to say it but they can be some of the most obnoxious people out there and embarrass me when I’m even in the same section.
I’m sure that’s everywhere with every team as you said.
I have run into those same people
in Houston. The ones who try like hell to over do it, and in the process lose all respect and sense of sanity it seems.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Theriot lives in my neighborhood
He is out playing with his kids whenever he is home (or washing his car with the neighborhood kids helping). He is happy to interrupt those actions to talk Cubs, take pictures, or sign anything when he is around. Maybe he did not sign anything because he was happy to get home to his family?
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