Pie in the Face
by JMG1984 on Sep 22, 2009 2:03 PM CDT
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Ill make this short and sweet. This offseason were gonna be short on cash (thanks Milton!) So why not bring Felix back? He's a black guy (i think) and this could prove to all the naysayers that Cub fans aren't racist. Not to mention what he's been doing recently with the O's. I'm lazy today so here's a link from Rob Neyer's "What's To Be Done With Milton Bradley?" Fangraphs article So.... what do you guys think?
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How do you plan to bring him back?
He belongs to the Orioles for the next few years so long as they decide to keep him around. Why do you think they’d want to give him back to us?
I think
if the Orioles felt they could get value for him, they’d ponder it. But what they perceive as value is unlikely to be what they can get, IMO. But with Reimold, Jones, Markakis, their OF looks set for the next 4-5 years, so yeah, if they felt like they could a decent return, I think they’d ponder it. I just don’t expect them to find a return that matches their expectations.
So
What would match their expectations?
"That ball left a vapor trail" - Pat Hughes on Derrek Lee's 27th homer of 2009
"I hate to ound like a broken record, but I guess it's better than sounding like a broken mp3 player because then you would'nt hear anything." - Len Kasper
According the Fangraphs Article
hes at best a backup outfielder, so maybe we could buy out his contract. it certainly wouldnt cost 30 million
"That ball left a vapor trail" - Pat Hughes on Derrek Lee's 27th homer of 2009
"I hate to ound like a broken record, but I guess it's better than sounding like a broken mp3 player because then you would'nt hear anything." - Len Kasper
um ...
I hope the Cubs make decisions based on what they think is best for the team .. and not to show that the fans aren’t racist. Along those lines, I don’t see how Felix Pie fits for this team barring several other moves. He’s shown he can survive in the bigs, but he’s not the guy to hit ahead of our middle of the order bats. Also, it’s SSS, and he’s also got some bad splits still. Pie makes little sense for the Cubs.
I think your link is in error or mistitled
Your link goes to a fangraphs blog entry by Dave Cameron, entitled “Pie In The Face”. Nothing by Rob Neyer and nothing called “What’s To Be Done With Milton Bradley”.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Rob Neyers Column
linked to the fangraphs column in his article
heres the neyer article
"That ball left a vapor trail" - Pat Hughes on Derrek Lee's 27th homer of 2009
"I hate to ound like a broken record, but I guess it's better than sounding like a broken mp3 player because then you would'nt hear anything." - Len Kasper
Crap
I cant get the link to work for some reason, but the Neyer article is on his “Sweetspot” blog on ESPN’s site, it is called Whats to be don with Milton Bradley
"That ball left a vapor trail" - Pat Hughes on Derrek Lee's 27th homer of 2009
"I hate to ound like a broken record, but I guess it's better than sounding like a broken mp3 player because then you would'nt hear anything." - Len Kasper
What in the Hell
Does the color of a player’s skin have anything to do with anything? Get over it already the Cubs have nothing to prove. A few bleacher fans are not the face of the fanbase nor the Cubs Organization.
I could care less what race, religion, heritage or anything else for that matter is as long as the player in question makes the Chicago Cubs better as a whole. Stop worrying about the stupid shit and worry about wanting players that make this team better.
I’m sick to death of the mention of Milton Bradley in every single post every single day. Right, wrong it doesn’t matter at this point. He will be removed from the team in the offseason and it will be over. Why don’t we all start now and turn the page. Bradley alone wasn’t gonna make this team a winner anyway.
I’m sick to death of this racist talk. I refuse to be labeled as a racist because I dislike Bradley or I’m a Cubs fan. Stop the nonsense already!
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
This.
The Cubs two best players, Lee and Ramirez, are both minority players and they are cheered and beloved. Cub fans (Chicago sports fans in general) can smell a disingenuous asshole from a mile away, this is what has happened here with Bradley, not racism.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Sep 22, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Racism
Is everywhere but not all of us are racist. Some black people are gang bangers, robbers and drug dealers don’t mean all black people are like that! Just like all whites are not like the idiots in the bleachers screaming ignorant racial and derogatory words. Let’s stop slinging the racial bullshit on this blog already!
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
by cubsluver22 on Sep 23, 2009 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions
There is so much irony in this comment...
I’ll just leave it alone.
Proud recipient of a hot dog shot from the Iowa Cubs hot dog gun.
wouldn't leaving it alone mean not responding to it???
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Sep 25, 2009 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions
isnt he Dominican?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Yeah
He’s from La Romana, DR.
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
Ah, Romana
Or Fred, as it were.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 22, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh geez
A Dr. Who reference. Props for that man.
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
Agreed!
She was one of my favorite Dr. Who female companions, and she looks absolutely fetching in that picture.
by Mike Vails Evil Twin on Sep 22, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't forget Leela, though
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 22, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I like the Mary Tamm Romana better
but I will say that Tom’s ex was a better fit for the series.
I’m a Sarah Jane fan myself.
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Yo JMG1984...
I’m really happy for you, and I’m gonna let you finish, but Mark DeRosa is one of the best players the Cubs have traded of all time.
Someday we'll go all the way...
LoL
finally someone realizes this post is a JOKE!
"That ball left a vapor trail" - Pat Hughes on Derrek Lee's 27th homer of 2009
"I hate to ound like a broken record, but I guess it's better than sounding like a broken mp3 player because then you would'nt hear anything." - Len Kasper
I Guess
Im no Mitch Hedburg
"That ball left a vapor trail" - Pat Hughes on Derrek Lee's 27th homer of 2009
"I hate to ound like a broken record, but I guess it's better than sounding like a broken mp3 player because then you would'nt hear anything." - Len Kasper
Hell, you're no Shecky Greene
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 22, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Corey Patterson
He’s the best player the Cubs have ever traded. (Sarcasm)
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Thanks very much for your social commentary, Jimmy Carter.
Did you know he was black WHEN he was on the Cubs too? Last time I checked he was even black in the MINOR LEAGUES. Crazy shit, huh?
President Obama
informed us last night that he was black even before he became President. Who knew?
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Sep 22, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
(Psst . . . I think that's what Iswaidz was alluding to)
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 22, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought he was referring to our esteemed former President's recent interview.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Sep 22, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Obama essentially made the same comment you did on Letterman last night
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 22, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Doug Williams
There was that infamous question to Doug Williams before the Super Bowl in 1988, “How long have you been a black quarterback?”
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Nice....
I didn’t pay much attention to football back then.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 22, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm aware of that.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Sep 22, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I was not paying enough attention to the thread. My bad.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 22, 2009 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I am Bill Clinton
NOT Jimmy Carter, get your facts straight mister!
"That ball left a vapor trail" - Pat Hughes on Derrek Lee's 27th homer of 2009
"I hate to ound like a broken record, but I guess it's better than sounding like a broken mp3 player because then you would'nt hear anything." - Len Kasper
Well, this seems as good a place to put it
There aren’t many ideal options this offseason. There aren’t many great options. One option I might be curious to see what the cost would be might be dialing Oakland p to see what it would cost to land Ryan Sweeney. Sweeney’s a plus defensive OF and has improved offensively. He’s actually carrying an extremely healthy .322/.370/.469 line away from Home. He sees a healthy number of pitches (3.8 ish). Considering his youth, cost, and improvement, he’d probably be more costly than his talent would dictate, but it might be something to ponder this offseason, particularly since Oakland might be one of the few destinations that might ponder Milton Bradley (now, I’m not suggesting the A’s would do a Bradley + money/Sweeney swap … ).
Just a thought.
three issues with a Sweeney-for-Bradley trade
1. Even if the Cubs pick up a substantial portion of Bradley’s contract, Milton is still owed far more money than Sweeney…
2. …but Milton can’t play CF in Wrigley, much less in the Coliseum, ..and Bradley has a much lengthier injury history. Who plays CF for Oakland next year if they trade Sweeney?
3. The Oakland front office knows about Bradley’s injuries (not to mention his penchant for clubhouse drama) because he already played for them, albeit for far less money than he makes today. They ultimately traded him for a minor-league relief pitcher…so now they’ll trade their breakout-candidate centerfielder to get him back? Bradley’s OBP (drum kick for a stupid pot joke) isn’t that high.
I’d be ecstatic if the Cubs could trade Bradley for a young, talented CF but I can’t see any such “great options” here, just swaps for bad contracts. Vernon Wells and his deadweight contract have been mentioned many times, Magglio Ordonez’s option vested a few days ago…dreck like that. The best case scenario is that Hendry is able to get better value from equal cost, like the Hundley-for-Karros/Grudz swap.
"I'd rather play baseball than eat." - Andy Pafko
by LaddieRenfroe on Sep 23, 2009 3:50 AM CDT up reply actions
second point...
…Rajai Davis plays CF for Oakland next year if they trade Sweeney…as he is now.
"I'd rather play baseball than eat." - Andy Pafko
by LaddieRenfroe on Sep 23, 2009 3:54 AM CDT up reply actions
The Cubs tried to get Rajai Davis when Reed Johnson went down.
I think Tyler Colvin may be in the mix for CF in 2010. Maybe Bradley could bring someone else. I doubt Billy Beane wants him back.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Really only pondering options
As noted at the end, I don’t think a trade could/would happen.
I think, if Colvin is hot the rest of the way, despite SSS, the Cubs will probably roll the dice on Colvin, with Reed Johnson backing up. It’s not something I’d like to see.
As for a Milton Bradley trade, the one mock trade that still makes the most sense to me is Bradley for Luis Castillo, with the Cubs tossing in cash. Mets are rumored to want to make a change at 2nd. That said, I could easily see the Cubs simply eating the entire contract and waiving him, with rumors out already that the Cubs may have to eat 18 or 19 million to move him.
Bradley back to Beane and the A's is not realistic option
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Sep 23, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Bradley to Oakland???
Clearly you have not been paying attention. Bradley has already played for the A’s and left under as much if not more controversy than he is currently creating in Chicago. He called out Beane for crying out loud and now you think Beane would trade for him? ????
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Sep 23, 2009 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions
actually, there's been rumors/spec to the effect that
Oakland may ponder Bradley, but obviously, it would come with us footing the bill.
Keep in mind that
a) Beane has brought back/worked with players that he disagreed with (IIRC, he had a memorable disagreement with David Justice)
b) Bradley’s tenure in Oakland was actually quite peaceful. His blistering of Beane came after he left Oakland.
Rumors where?
Not a hint of any of the like in the local (SF Bay Area) papers.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Sep 23, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
WTF!
get Pie to prove the Cubs are not a racist organization?!? The board has reached a new low.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
This blog
has progressively gotten worse and worse. Al and Josh are the only reason I even come here.
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
This is my first season here
and as the Cubs’ season went downhill so did the quality of this board. Many good posters here still, but the number of clueless posters is quite remarkable.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Sep 22, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Why do we always come here? I guess we'll never know . . .
Using a laptop…too lazy to find the musical notes.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 22, 2009 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions
♪♫ Cuz we still haven't found...what we're looking for...♪♫
(I have the same problem with the notes on my laptop at home.)
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
These are the posts that continually reminds me of a society
where some people are just walking around waiting to get offended.
Instead of focusing on hitting a little while ball with a long wood stick, we have this.
Just win the next game...!
If you don't like Bradley you are a racist
If you are a cub fan you are a racist.
If you don’t like Obama’s policies you are a racist
If you are not liberal you are a racist
If you sit in the RF Bleachers you are a racist.
If you are not for illegals running into the country unchecked you are a racist.
I am so sick of this bullshit. Blackhawk, you are correct, many of the people here and elsewhere get offended at the drop of a hat.
I am mad at the Cubs at the moment but it would take a lot to get me to bail after 35 years.
BUT, if they ever made a trade just to prove they were not racist, I’m done.
by TJ11 on Sep 22, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Turn it Green
I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
Wow, that got turned green.
Look at this point you guys are the ones who keep bringing this up, always with these woe-is-me, defensive, playing-the-victim posts that come out of nowhere. Which ironically is exactly the kind of shit that you guys all hate Bradley for.
If it’s really that irrelevant then why do you keep making posts about it? If you’re so above those charges why do you protest so much?
It’s possible that some posters have taken the racism / Bradley connection too far, but for the most part most of the posts I’ve seen were along the lines of, “Racism was one of the factors in Bradley’s treatment here,” which is a far cry from “All cub fans are racist.”
It seems a lot of people like you just see the word racism and immediately get angry and defensive about it.
by Wreckard on Sep 23, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Serious Agreeance.
The last thing we need is this kind of “subtle” political stuff here. 50% of this guy’s post was reactionary stuff about politics.
MLBMilestone.com - following the numbers to Cooperstown
YOU TAKE THAT BACK!
/sarcasm
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 22, 2009 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions
You're absolutely right
You were lazy. I can’t even begin to tell you how offensive your reasoning was. Next time, please aim higher and think longer.
If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.
Again
This post was supposed to be a joke, if you were offended i apoligize, that wasnt my intention. I wa just trying to lighten things up.
"That ball left a vapor trail" - Pat Hughes on Derrek Lee's 27th homer of 2009
"I hate to ound like a broken record, but I guess it's better than sounding like a broken mp3 player because then you would'nt hear anything." - Len Kasper
I'm not getting the reference - and it appears I'm not alone.
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
I think I sort of get the joke
but … I don’t think it came across that well (obviously, didn’t realize it was a joke the first time through).
Sure it was a joke ... now that you are getting hammered
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Sep 23, 2009 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions
"morans"
Yeah, you’re a genius.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Sep 23, 2009 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I think it was a joke
referring to that photo often posted here of the Cardinal fan holding a sign “Get a Brain! Morans”.
"Fasten those seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
Hopefully so
but with the proliferation of really dumb posts here these days, anything is possible.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Sep 23, 2009 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd bet money on it.
Vonde6 seems to know what’s going on . . . and the “moran” bit is a running joke.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 23, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, someone had to post it. Might as well be me.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Thanks for the benefit of the doubt, Badger
Yes, I was tired when I took my last peek at BCB yesterday, and not ready to write anything of length. But I thought that people would recognize the old, running “morans” gag. But I wasn’t thinking much…
"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill
Katie belived in ya, too...
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 23, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think the Cubs are a racist organization
Sincerely,
Derek Lee
Albert Pujols for Cubs Starting 1B in 2012
Cubs are so racist
??? and they prove it by giving Milton Bradley (a black dude) 30 million dollars over 3 years. This is a ridiculous discussion
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