Derrek Lee Again Leads Cubs Over Brewers, 7-2
by Al on Sep 23, 2009 8:00 AM CDT
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Didn't we see this game on Monday?
The Cubs started off Tuesday's game in very similar fashion to Monday's, scoring three runs in the first inning on their way to a 7-2 win over the Brewers, their third win in a row. After then matching the three-spot with another one in the second inning to basically blow the game open early, the Cubs got yet another homer from Derrek Lee in the fourth.
D-Lee's 35th HR of the year, along with a pair of doubles, gave him a career-high 109 RBI with 12 games to go. He now ranks fourth in the NL (and will likely go no higher, as third place is inhabited by Ryan Howard with 126), as well as seventh in the league in home runs. His .593 SLG is second only to Albert Pujols, and his .987 OPS is third behind Pujols and Prince Fielder. In September Lee is now hitting .408/.512/.887 with nine HR and 21 RBI in 19 games, and his 24 homers since July 1 lead the majors. He won't win the NL MVP -- that, of course, will go to Pujols -- but he should get some votes and surely finish in the top ten. He's had a year second only to his 2005 season; without his hot hitting who knows where the Cubs might be now?
That doesn't matter, I suppose; but it's certainly better to finish strong than not. The win over Milwaukee mathematically eliminated the Brewers from postseason consideration for 2009, though the Brewers seemed to have checked out of there long ago. Other hitting heroes last night were Kosuke Fukudome, who singled and doubled and scored twice, and Aramis Ramirez, whose two-run single gave him 63 RBI in 77 games. That total would put him on pace for nearly 130 in a full season, which would be a career high for him by a wide margin. Despite not playing at 100% due to his still-healing dislocated shoulder, A-Ram has had a fine year.
Thus, don't put too much stock in Paul Sullivan's scare-tactics article in which he asks A-Ram whether he'll opt out of his contract a year from now.
Ramirez said he isn't thinking about next year yet, and the Cubs aren't worried he will leave. But if they go through another year like this one, Ramirez could get antsy.
"If I choose to opt out, I have one more year," he said. "Hopefully Jim and the ownership do their best to improve the team."
Asked what needs to be done, Ramirez said: "That's a question for Jim Hendry. At the same time, Jim is a smart man. He knows what he has to do. He knows what went wrong. I'm pretty sure he's going to fix it."
I wouldn't worry about this. Ramirez himself says he has confidence that Hendry will fix what went wrong. Yes, A-Ram can opt out a year from now -- but that's a long way off. Let's see what happens before then -- in fact, a bigger, more important question this offseason might be, "Should the Cubs sign Lee to a contract extension?"
Randy Wells threw six solid innings last night. He'll make only one more start -- next Tuesday vs. the Pirates -- so unless he throws a CG (something Lou's unlikely to let him do unless his pitch count is unusually low), he'll wind up two or three innings short of qualifying for the ERA title. Still, Wells has has the best season for a Cubs rookie pitcher since Kerry Wood in 1998, something to look forward to for 2010.
Something else Cubs fans might look forward to next year is seeing Tyler Colvin in the mix for at least a platoon OF spot. He showed us at least one thing last night -- the man can play center field. He's got good range and instincts and became the second Cubs outfielder this season to rob a Brewer of a HR at Miller Park (remember Reed Johnson's pick of what would have been a Prince Fielder grand slam on April 12?). With one out in the ninth and a pair of runners on base, Colvin made a perfect jump to snatch Ryan Braun's long fly ball, which would have just made it over the CF wall. A run did wind up scoring, but Colvin then made a nice running catch of Fielder's sinking liner to end the game. At the very least, I think Colvin has to be given a shot to earn a role on the 2010 Cubs.
So if nothing else, the Cubs are making the last two weeks of the season enjoyable to watch again, with solid pitching, timely hitting and good defense. Keep up the good work. Maybe we'll "see this game" again tonight.
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by eths on Sep 23, 2009 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Geo love" is SO. LAST. YEAR.
Get with the program girlfriend. Drop the zero and get with the hero.
by chilango2 on Sep 23, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
shouldn't that be
drop the geo and get with the hero?
It's not about money. It's about winning and getting over the hump. We've had the appetizer now, but we left the main course on the table.
-rod beck
by laidbackliam on Sep 23, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My first born will be named Derrek
Boy or girl, it doesn’t matter.
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by Craig in South Bend on Sep 23, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, my next will be Randy!
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Sep 23, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fairweather lover...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Sep 23, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sharing mine now
with Derrek and Ted. ♥
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Sep 23, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
...
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 23, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm. Is Sue
amused by the use of the easy button on that comment?
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Sep 23, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, it's not the easy button!
It’s the TWSS button!
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 23, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TWIS
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
by eths on Sep 23, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ISWYDT
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 23, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Streak now at three, with 12 to go ...
{Dream mode="on"}
… and the Cards start a wonderful losing streak this evening!
{Dream mode="off"}
Eamus Catuli
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
by eths on Sep 23, 2009 8:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll second that dream mode, but I'm leaving mine turned on.
"Fasten those seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Sep 23, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll third the dream mode, second leaving it on.
Stranger things have happened. If not, like Al said, it’s good to see the Cubs playing this way regardless of the outcome. Hopefully it translates into a good offseason by Hendry and into a hot start next season.
by Tangled Up In Blue on Sep 23, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hard to say if there is any cause/effect
of what happened this week, but it’s nice to see the Cubs playing well and trying to salvage a nice ending to the season. Bodes well for next year.
I don’t know if anyone brought this up, but our favorite target of BCB, Joe Morgan, said the other night that he talked with D Lee and said all he did was lower his hands and his stroke returned. Boy, did it ever! In that regard, he said that DeRosa RAISED his hands and it helped his batting stroke. Funny how two players can do the opposite thing and get results. You gotta love baseball…
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by BigJohnAZ on Sep 23, 2009 8:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If I recall correctly, Derrick told the writers just before he
turned it around he’d been tinkering with his swing, but was going to revert to his prior technique. Immediately thereafter, what a season.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Sep 23, 2009 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a season indeed
no one predicted this but DLee’s season is probably the highlight of 2009. He is as locked in as any player we’ve had in recent memory. Too bad we couldn’t replay April and May.
An extension is warranted. His value at first base and infield leadership combined with his seemingly now overcoming the wrist injury should allow him to retire a Cub.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on Sep 23, 2009 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
D-Lee just turned 34.
A two-year extension wouldn’t be unreasonable.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Sep 23, 2009 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two years wouldn't be a bad idea.
"Jim is a smart man. He knows what he has to do. He knows what went wrong. I'm pretty sure he's going to fix it." - Aramis Ramirez on one of the best GMs in the game.
by DGU on Sep 23, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
"Fasten those seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Sep 23, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree completely.
I didn’t think he had one month left in him like this, and he’s just rattled off 4 in a row. Whatever was wrong with him is clearly no longer a problem. I don’t see any reason why he shouldn’t be able to finish his career here.
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by D98 on Sep 23, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very true.
When his triple slash stats, HR’s and RBI totals are final, factor in the perceived leadership and glove skills and there is some room for a little decline to still be ultra valuable for the next 3 years.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Sep 23, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In three years Al
maybe the Cubs could do some strategic planning and for once have left field, right field and catcher with power number guys? Add third base to that mix too. If we ever got to that point having a 37 year old DLee at first still is not bad. If we continue to sign guys management THINKS hit with power but never do, then we need a power hitting first baseman. If our ROK catcher never returns to his power hitting days we’re in trouble. Even I can see the need to plan ahead. The problem is Soriano will be here seemingly forever at one corner outfield spot. I think Lee could retire here but there has to be some planning done.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on Sep 23, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree wholeheartedly
Too bad Lee’s season is “wasted” if you get my meaning. If not for a few things that happened to derail the team this year, it would have been a great year and most likely another playoff appearance.
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by BigJohnAZ on Sep 23, 2009 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you're saying that the 1Bs in the NL Central can hit a little bit?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Sep 23, 2009 8:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just a little, yes.
As well as that guy in the NL East.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Sep 23, 2009 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are the 3 first basemen in baseball in the Central?
I can’t think of any better ones
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Sep 23, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This season DLee's been better
Overall perhaps you have a point
As for Teixeira, can’t really argue that one, though D-Lee has the higher OPS
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Sep 23, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean this season?
Oh, then you’ve got a point.
by chilango2 on Sep 23, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Idk what I mean actually
Going into the next season if you were to rank the first basemen in baseball I think I go
Pujols
Prince
Adrian/Lee/Teixeira/Morneau (in no order)
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Sep 23, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Offensive numbers alone, then yes.
If you factor in defense, Morneau and DLee are ahead of Fielder, Teixeira and AG.
I won’t even factor in the “star power” of Pujols.
by chilango2 on Sep 23, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd go...
Albert
Morneau
Teixeira
Lee
AG
Prince
Oh and don’t forget about Ryan Howard.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 23, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Howard's defense ain't up to par with the names mentioned above
In my experience and opinion. If someone can correct me, I’ll appreciate it.
by chilango2 on Sep 23, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No it's not.
Just throwing his name out there as probably the last guy that would be considered an elite 1B with those other guys.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 23, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I always forget Prince isn't the greatest defender
Teixeira is good at defense, but UZR hates him for some reason (I just think it doesn’t work as well at first base). I wish I could say I’ve seen enough of Morneau to say how good he is at defense, but I’ll take your word for it.
I don’t know anything about Gonzalez’s defense because his GG last season was bc of his offense.
I’ll revise with defense to
Pujols
Morneau
Teixeira
Lee
Prince
Gonzalez
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Sep 23, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about
Kendry Morales? He’s having a better season that some of the guys on your list.
by Josh77 on Sep 23, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew there was a name I was forgetting
He kind of sneaks under the radar despite being on the Angels, I just don’t know that his track record puts him in the elite category.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Sep 23, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is his first full season.
And while he’s had a phenomenal year, he’s not quite up there with the names mentioned above yet.
by chilango2 on Sep 23, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In response to your question, Al
“Should the Cubs sign Lee to a contract extension?”
I say, as long as he’s producing, yes. He’s had another great year, although the team hasn’t done as well as we’d all hoped. He has that leadership quality that we have taken for granted with others in the past. I’d say if you’re looking for the face of the Cubs, since Kerry Wood isn’t around any more… It’s Derrek Lee. IMHO
by Fonzie2178 on Sep 23, 2009 8:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Quiet leadership, though
And I’m all for giving DLee another year or two, assuming the Cards lock up Pujols as its expected they will.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Sep 23, 2009 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DLee
is a lead by example kind of guy. He lets his performance do the talking, and he leaves it all out on the field. Just the type of player you want on your team.
by Fonzie2178 on Sep 23, 2009 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Randy Wells says he wants to pitch more than one more time this year.
From Bruce Miles article on the game:
“That’s it? That’s news to me,” said Wells, who improved to 11-9 Tuesday night with a 7-2 victory over the Milwaukee Brewers at Miller Park. "I want to get as many as I can, just to show them I can handle the workload and head into next year with the confidence that I can handle the load.
“We can talk about it. Maybe I can talk him into it.”
Why not? Why not let him start Tuesday and then again the last day of the season?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Sep 23, 2009 8:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't sound like he's hurting
I say let the kid pitch.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Sep 23, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Five or six innings each in two more starts shouldn't be too tough a workload.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Sep 23, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me, too
I feel he earned it. He was one of the bright spots this season and he sounds like he’s got a good head on his shoulders.
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by BigJohnAZ on Sep 23, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they decide to trot him out thee again
it sounds like he’s got a good shoulder under his head.
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by Gibbon Jockey on Sep 23, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
nicely done
"Jim is a smart man. He knows what he has to do. He knows what went wrong. I'm pretty sure he's going to fix it." - Aramis Ramirez on one of the best GMs in the game.
by DGU on Sep 23, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thou sayeth that well, friend.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Sep 23, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are more subtle than you get credit for
Sometimes (bad puns on hold for now).
I didn’t even notice the “thee” typo until your comment sent me back up there.
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by vonde6 on Sep 23, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for noticing
Like my good friend, Yev Kasem, I suffer for my posts…
Next!
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Sep 23, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep your feet on the ground
and stop reaching for the soup.
Wait, what?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 23, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like it.
"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin
by davidalanu on Sep 23, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
"Fasten those seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Sep 23, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like that Colvin kid!
"Fasten those seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Sep 23, 2009 8:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He was like a vacuum out there.
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by katie casey on Sep 23, 2009 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TWSS
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by BigJohnAZ on Sep 23, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't see it, but I'm blushing.
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by katie casey on Sep 23, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's cute :)
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by BigJohnAZ on Sep 23, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's going to give Fuld some competition with those web gems.
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by katie casey on Sep 23, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that's a good thing for us
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by BigJohnAZ on Sep 23, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
part of Doggie Stalker just died, with this comment
"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill
by vonde6 on Sep 23, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did not see the catch
but you let me know when he starts crashing into walls and fences.
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Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Sep 23, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correction: Three catches!
Awesome way to end a ballgame.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 23, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On both the ones at the wall
He looked extremely comfortable with his surroundings and positioning at the fence. That impressed me a lot, as he’s had just 2 days to get accustomed to the walls at Miller Park.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 23, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just going to say that
watching the replay on the Braun HR takeaway, he looked like he had been patrolling Miller Park’s CF for years. I like this kid a lot.
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by BigJohnAZ on Sep 23, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So far so good.
Hopefully he can keep it up through these last 2 weeks and into Spring Training.
Also, his line drive out in his final AB of the night was a positive, too – Counsell was pinched in at 3B and Colvin tried to punch a liner through that side. At least he was taking what the defense gave him and tried to go the other way.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Sep 23, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boy, we could have used that approach a lot more this year
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by BigJohnAZ on Sep 23, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Braun didn't over-react at all did he?
by Mapmaker on Sep 23, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, his eyes popped out of his head.
Oh, wait…
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 23, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
gotta give milton some credit here
3-0 since he left
by doofus cubs guy on Sep 23, 2009 8:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
-1
Although you’re right. We were trying to go taboo on that certain player today… At least I was :-)
by Fonzie2178 on Sep 23, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he's talking about our favorite "Cubs Win" guy
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Sep 23, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We wouldn't want HIM to leave, would we?
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
by eths on Sep 23, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably goes in the list of Top 100 Worst Cubs of All-Time
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by Ace Venom on Sep 23, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I second that....maybe in the top ten?
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Sep 23, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who?
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
by eths on Sep 23, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some guy... what's his name?
Or something like that.
by Fonzie2178 on Sep 23, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coco Crisp?
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 23, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wondered how far I could make it into comments before I saw a mention of him
Made it 1/4 of the page. Better than expected.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Sep 23, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Derrek Lee at the end of '09 is Mark DeRosa at the end of '10 (but with an NTC)
If the Cubs still want to get a big LH bat in the lineup, the easiest place to do that is 1B. Derrek should also have a lot of trade value on one year, if he’s willing to waive the NTC. It will be interesting to see what Jim does. If he thinks he made the right choice trading DeRosa, then he might try and trade Lee. Even if he thinks he made a mistake trading DeRosa he still might try and trade Lee, because it’s one thing to trust Fontenot and another to trust a Delgado or a Huff.
Especially if Al is right that the Cubs will give Colvin a shot at CF, then you almost have to trade Derrek Lee to get that LH bat – or trade Fukudome and seek another LH RF again.
"Jim is a smart man. He knows what he has to do. He knows what went wrong. I'm pretty sure he's going to fix it." - Aramis Ramirez on one of the best GMs in the game.
by DGU on Sep 23, 2009 8:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The lefthanded bat argument is really, really tired.
I noticed that over the weekend, TLR started vs. the Cubs, lineups that had a couple of LH bats at the top of the lineup, then seven straight RH bats. Didn’t seem to stop them from winning 2 of 3.
Get hitters that can hit. Doesn’t matter what side they hit from. Last year’s “lack of LH” lineup led the NL in runs scored.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Sep 23, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, I agree.
But do you think the Cubs agree? We haven’t heard what Jim’s planning on doing, I guess.
"Jim is a smart man. He knows what he has to do. He knows what went wrong. I'm pretty sure he's going to fix it." - Aramis Ramirez on one of the best GMs in the game.
by DGU on Sep 23, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
couldn't agree more
Lou needs to relinquish his lefthanded fetish.
by Emelie on Sep 23, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The left handedness
stuff is over rated. Lou drives me crazy with it.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Sep 23, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm hoping the ship has sailed
on the whole “we need to be more left handed” schtick. Obviously that didn’t go as planned. I’d rather keep Lee, he hits well off lefties and righties.
by Fonzie2178 on Sep 23, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In hindsight, it was a moronic idea
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
by Ace Venom on Sep 23, 2009 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I say put the best hitters in the lineup, trying to snare a left handed bat simply because he hits that way is flawed thinking, especially if you sign someone that wasn’t really what you were going for.
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by BigJohnAZ on Sep 23, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's a bold notion...
…but I’m guessing Hendry would be way too trigger-shy to deal a “face of the franchise” guy coming off a career-high year. That said, Adrian Gonzalez would look awfully good batting cleanup for the Cubs. (Not suggesting a trade, just sayin’.)
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 23, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My post-2010 dream...
AG in Chicago.
by chilango2 on Sep 23, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately...
…AG will be a Boston Red Sox. Book it.
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by cubswynn on Sep 23, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I already have booked it.
One can still dream.
by chilango2 on Sep 23, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that happens,
I will thankfully be out of Red Sox Nation by the time that happens.
I feel sorry for people stuck in Red Sox territory.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 23, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just remember we tried to trade him last offseason
He wouldn’t go for it. He isn’t going to go for it.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Sep 23, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't remember hearing about this
Do you have a link? Or a strong recollection of the details?
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by vonde6 on Sep 23, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'm with you on that
One or two people keep saying that on BCB, but with nothing to support it.
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 23, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think WE discussed trading him...
… but I don’t think the Cubs ever did.
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by Al on Sep 23, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering what trding Lee might bring the Cubs
He probably won’t be any more valuable than he is right now but I’d be shocked if Hendry was willing to take that risk. Lee’s a fan favorite and we know how trading other fan favorites last year worked out.
by Mapmaker on Sep 23, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I seem to recall a lot of us saying DeRosa should be traded after last year
since it was a career year and he was only going to decline. That was clearly a mistake. Can you imagine what would happen if the same were done with Lee in trading him after his best year since 2005?
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by Craig in South Bend on Sep 23, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be keeping my Eye on the contract
situation with Pujols when he becomes a free agent which I believe is at the end of next year, rather than an extension for Lee.
by cubdreamer on Sep 23, 2009 9:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My guess is that the Cardinals sign him to a longterm extension this offseason.
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by Al on Sep 23, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shame he won't get A-Roid money in St. Louis
But I’m convinced he’ll finish out his career there.
by chilango2 on Sep 23, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you are right
and as long as TLR is around, the Cards will be in the thick of it every year.
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by BigJohnAZ on Sep 23, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think they will be able to lock up both Pujols and Holiday this offseason
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by DC Cubbie on Sep 23, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that our drop-in Cards fan (Cards fan 62 or something?)
Said that they do not expect Holliday to be signed because they need to save room for the new Pujols contract.
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by vonde6 on Sep 23, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting.
If they don’t keep Holliday, they might not NEED the money for Pujols. He wants to see some commitment to winning.
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 23, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I understand, signing both Pujols and Holliday,
could keep the Cards from winning. That assumes the organization will continue with the same payroll level they’ve funded for quite a few years. (I’d say that’s pretty safe to assume.)
If that’s the case, signing both players will simply take up to large of a percentage of the payroll to realistically field a championship caliber team in the next few years. (Both players are expected to get a huge increase in salary when they sign new deals.) The Cards might actually have a better chance to win if they only sign Pujols to a huge deal. That would allow them more flexibility to build a team around him.
That’s my understanding based on an article I recently read. (Sorry, I can’t recall where I read that info.)
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Sep 23, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So technically, by signing Pujols to a monster contract in the first place....
they would be limiting their available financial resources for other players and thereby hurting their “commitment to winning”.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 23, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on who those other players are, doesn't it?
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by Al on Sep 23, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure if you're being sarcastic but if you're not.....
No, signing 2 players to monster contracts would seriously limit the quality of other personnaly on the team.
Only signing Pujols to a huge contract would still allow the team the flexibility
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Sep 23, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting - sounds a bit like what Jimbo did last winter.
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
by eths on Sep 23, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The situation with the Cardinals is a little different.
We’re talking about signing 2 players to monster contracts. Think A-Rod kind of money for Pujols and Soriano/Beltran kind of money for Holliday. That would be more than half of the Cards payroll for 2 players. How can any team win with that kind of payroll allotment?
It seems difficult to believe the Cards could sign both without increasing payroll, something they’ve been reluctant to do even with a new stadium.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Sep 23, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes and no... But the result is similar
Contracts such as Soriano’s reduce the amount of “flexibility” the Cubs or any other team have, when looking for new players. Of course, the Cubs also had ownership uncertainty tacked on, which didn’t make things easier.
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
by eths on Sep 23, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Changing the subject here
what say all of you about having Fox work on playing third base as a back up and part time left fielder this winter so we can try and keep his bat in the line up somehow? Or is trading him a better option?
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by BigJohnAZ on Sep 23, 2009 9:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It all depends on what the Cubs would get for him, I suppose...
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
by eths on Sep 23, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we have him work hard on his defense
and start hitting some breaking balls, I’m all for keeping him around.
by Fonzie2178 on Sep 23, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need a back up for 3rd anyway...
Fontenot wasn’t that guy. Might as well be someone who’s already part of the organization.
by Fonzie2178 on Sep 23, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Fox was going to also work on 2B in winter ball.
Why not? The more positions he can play, the more valuable he is.
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by Al on Sep 23, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's right.
He seems to be built better for infield anyway. The times he did play 3rd, he did the job they expected of him, without any terrible blunders. It’d be nice to see him step it up on D.
by Fonzie2178 on Sep 23, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that really true?
I first heard that on an ESPN broadcast but don’t recall reading that anywhere else. Considering the source, I’m skepticaly since I haven’t seen it anywhere else.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Sep 23, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff Baker is a natural 3B.
He was only moved to 2B because of Ian Stewart, Garret Atkins, Clint Barmes, etc.
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by DGU on Sep 23, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
I still see as the ideal DeRo-type guy who adds nice depth to the Cubs roster. Not sure what do do with Jake the Rake, honestly. A trade may be for the best, sad to say.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 23, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
*still see BAKER as the ideal..."
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 23, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
*do do = to do
Maybe I should stop posting and get to work.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 23, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thought you were simply doing a Rolling Stones
do do do do Heartbreaker thang…
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by BigJohnAZ on Sep 23, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your typing is is great this morning :)
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 23, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thonk yoo
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 23, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll thonk yoo to not try that again
(just trying it out — I like it)
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by vonde6 on Sep 23, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scales playing over Fox
seemed like a big indication that Fox is not in the long-term plans.
"Jim is a smart man. He knows what he has to do. He knows what went wrong. I'm pretty sure he's going to fix it." - Aramis Ramirez on one of the best GMs in the game.
by DGU on Sep 23, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Fox didn't do much to endear himself to Piniella last night
at the plate, at least.
by chilango2 on Sep 23, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm all for it.
Jake Fox is a poor man’s Phil Nevin, minus the fixation on Oakleys. The more positions he can play, the better off the Cubs will be.
That said, I have a feeling he’ll be trade bait in the offseason, unfortunately.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 23, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope he doesn't get traded also.
He’s cheap. He seems like he adapts to changes in the field well. He’s a nice backup if Aramis goes down again, since we won’t have Miles around next year (fingers crossed).
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by cubswynn on Sep 23, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miles=addition by subtraction
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by BigJohnAZ on Sep 23, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Inverse is also true: Miles in 2009 = subtraction by addition
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by D98 on Sep 23, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cost effective LH power PH on the bench who can
fill in at the corners and catch in an emergency? Glennallen Hill but more than LF?
An up-the-offense double switch possibility?
Makes far too much sense in the NL for it to happen.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Sep 23, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but RH.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 23, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep, Hoffpauir was supposed to be that LH bat.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 23, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DOH!
Not that it matters too much, but right, RH. I’m weary of the bench being all glove no bat options or the professional hitter something bland like Lenny Harris, over the hill like Floyd, or strictly a backup first baseman like Ward.
Why should the org have to go pay $2-$3M for someone fill the role Fox is made for? The guy can hit and is passable at LF and not the worst ever at RF, 3B and 1B.
I’ll choke on my own vomit when he goes to the AL and plays LF, RF, or 1B every day because he’s young enough to handle the load while the older guys DH. I get it, he’s not a great defender, but he’s not horrific.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Sep 23, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My only concern with Fox (and I'm a Fox guy)
is that if the Cubs are relying on him to fill a pinch-hitting role, he will have to focus on hitting breaking balls this offseason.
He can crush a fastball and the hanging curve, but he’s Cerrano-esque at times against the curve. Unless the Cubs are sending him to PH solely against the Kyle Farnsworths of the world, I could see him struggling unless he adjusts to hit the breaking ball this winter.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 23, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably fair, but the man's stats in high and medium leverage and clutch situations
are pretty damn good, something the Cubs don’t usually feature in a PH pinch hitter.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Sep 23, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed they are.
I’m fine with Fox – I just want him to hit the occasional breaking ball, too. But give him credit – when he came up he seemed to be one of the few Cubs who understood the value of a sac fly.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 23, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A good hitter doesn't have to hit the breaking ball.
Just lay off the ones out of the zone and foul off the good ones in.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Sep 23, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 23, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, you can't exactly dust for vomit.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 23, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The whole Fox thing is still an enigma to me
The book on him in the minors is that his defense was bad. I saw him in two or three games at 3B where he looked not too bad. It’s been said here before, but is our minor league evaluation system really bad, or would more time on defense expose him?
If he can continue to play passable defense and be good in a pinch-hitting role, we have a place for him. Anybody know if he is slotted to play in the fall league?
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by vonde6 on Sep 23, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean the Arizona Fall League?
That’s for prospects only, not guys who have played a full year in the majors.
He may be playing winter ball somewhere.
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by Al on Sep 23, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Fall League is open to players with less than a year of MLB experience.
I believe Fox still falls under that criteria.
The Cubs did send Matt Murton to the fall league after his first season in the majors. He was called up in the middle of the season so he had met the criteria.
However, I’d guess winter ball would be a better fit for Fox. I’d guess he would face more crafty pitching that is closer to major league pitching than a bunch of kid pitchers that don’t know where it’s going.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Sep 23, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shame we're not in contention
Because Wrigley has missed a true MVP candidate and the chance to have the entire ballpark chant “MVP” when DLee is at bat.
by ak123 on Sep 23, 2009 9:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This Dlee last season
We have your NL MVP
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Sep 23, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you mean we're not in contention?
All we have to do is win the last 12 games and have Colorado go 4-7!
(Arghhh, I’m sick.)
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by Dou on Sep 23, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yet another version of The Last Minute Dream...
I would prefer a Cards collapse, which might be a tad more likely imho than four teams bowing out, but at present I’d take a wild card happily.
Eamus Catuli
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
by eths on Sep 23, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Be careful with DLee
I would not give him an extension until he shows he can play at least near this level again in 2010. If Lee can hit around .290/30HR/90RBI next season, I would give him a two year extension.
It aslo concerns me that Lee has had his best two seasons as a Cub when the team is out of playoff contention, it seems he plays his best with the pressure off. If he had played this well in May and June, the Cubs could have done better with Ramirez out. At the same time, I feel Lee fares better with Ramirez hitting behind him.
Either way, great season from Lee, never saw it coming. Let’s see if he can do it again! His back/neck issues do worry me however, especially since he is 34.
by tripdenten on Sep 23, 2009 9:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't see how you can ding Lee for having a great season this year
that turned out to be just short. Lee turned it around and dominated when the pressure was at it’s peak and single handedly kept the team in contention until September.
That Lee had a monster year this year when it was most needed should be something to praise, not malign.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Sep 23, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I knew this type of comment was coming.
I would like to point out that D-Lee was a big part of a WS winning team.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Sep 23, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Rec'd to both replys
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by DGU on Sep 23, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hear, hear
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by Archie on Sep 23, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that year he screwed the Cubs too. :)
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by KaliCub on Sep 23, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This makes no sense. The Cubs were in contention, in fact in first place for a good portion of the season.
He was producing then as well as now. It’s incorrect to look at a season’s worth of stats and say they were done while not in contention, when it has really only been the last month.
Logic fail.
Some people say the glass is half empty, some say half full. I say, are you going to drink that?
by BleedsbluinMI on Sep 23, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Logic fail?
The Cubs were not in first place for a good portion of the season, check your math on that one. Had he hit anywhere near this level in April, May, and June the Cubs could have gotten off to a much better start this season. When Ramirez went down the team needed someone to step up and nobody did. Im not saying that’s Lee’s fault, because others such as Soto, Soriano, and Bradley did nothing either.
by tripdenten on Sep 23, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has hit near level from mid-may on.
He is hitting .408 in Sept, that is his best month average (granted the month is not over). He hit .313 in May, but had only 5 Hrs ond 19 Rbi at month’s end. The next three months were .333, .295, .318, respectively. He averaged 7 hrs and about 22 Rbi in those months. The season was not over in any of those months, and with Rami out he was getting little support offensively around him.
Now, he has gotten real hot in Sept. (now that they are out of it), but you want to dismiss all those numbers were in done in a season of non-contention. I don’t agree with that because they expected to contend and were in the running realistically til sometime in August. It would be different if there were no expectations, or if they were much farther back after May. That’s how I look at this season’s numbers.
Some people say the glass is half empty, some say half full. I say, are you going to drink that?
by BleedsbluinMI on Sep 23, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All I'm saying is
the pressure was on in May, that was when the Cubs reached their high-water mark in terms of games over .500, and then went into a tailspin, sometime around May 15th in which they lost like 8 straight or something and to be honest, have never really been able to recover.
If you want to reward a Lee with a contract extension beyond next season, fine. I just would like to see more before committing.
by tripdenten on Sep 23, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs retook 1st place at the end of July
thanks to DLee putting the offense on his back
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Sep 23, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm very dubious...
….of this whole “Player X only plays well when it doesn’t matter” concept. It seems like a “20/20 hindsight” kinda thing and just doesn’t feel right.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 23, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aside from last year's playoffs, when the pressure was on.
And Lee was the only Cub to hit…
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by Trey2317 on Sep 23, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
GREINKE FOR PRESIDENT
More importantly, Zach Greinke threw a great game last night against the Red Sox, a shutout of 6 IP, 2 H, and 5 K. He‘s 15-8 with a 210 ERA+, 229 K, and 220 IP. If he doesn’t win the Cy Young I’ll murder a kitten.
Dan
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by dtpollitt on Sep 23, 2009 9:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't take out the ignorance of the writers on a poor kitty!
I do think he’s going to win though. Greinke is certainly a great story in MLB this season.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Sep 23, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's got it now
He’s shutdown the Red Sox, Tigers, and Angels? i think it’s angels this month allowing only one run against all three of those teams.
It looks like he will get his precious 16th win too, so the idiot writers will have no choice.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Sep 23, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also I think he has an outside chance of getting his ERA at or under 2
right now it sits at 2.08 with 2 starts left. Idk what the math is, but I imagine 12 shutout innings in those 2 starts puts it at or under 2 which would make the Cy Young a slam dunk even if he had 3 wins
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Sep 23, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can We trade for him?
I could name 2 that we could send to KC right away.
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by Icubsfan on Sep 23, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think there's anybody the Royals would trade Greinke for at this point.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Sep 23, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Royals need a bit of power
They have a good foundation to build upon. Too bad they won’t take [Name withheld due to site policy].
by chilango2 on Sep 23, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you refering to this one?
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
by eths on Sep 23, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a crazy flash from the past.
I had that toy when I was a kid.
by chilango2 on Sep 23, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, what has this site come to?
For anyone to think RWW has trade value is beyond me. /sarcasm
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Sep 23, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I were the Royals I would see what I can get this offseason
Never will his value he higher, why not see what you can get.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Sep 23, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You could say the same about Joe Mauer
and I doubt the Twins will do anything to trade him unless it's for Miles and Heilman.
by chilango2 on Sep 23, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Graybar! You're back!
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 23, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arrrrgh
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
by eths on Sep 23, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I mean Mauer is different because the Twins are contending
The Royals aren’t, and won’t be for a few years
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Sep 23, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ARRRR!!!
The Dread Pirate Graybar seems to only like you, chilango. What’s the connection?
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 23, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know we can't say names here anymore
but the two I had in mind are done for the season.
"What we have here is a failure to communicate" - Strother Martin as "Captain"
by Icubsfan on Sep 23, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
eric hanna is that you?
The official slogan of your 2009 Chicago Cubs:
Why?
by jesus christos on Sep 23, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he can't hear your tiny letters
"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill
by vonde6 on Sep 23, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHOOPS
The official slogan of your 2009 Chicago Cubs:
Why?
by jesus christos on Sep 23, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He did it against an East Coast team
that validates him in the eyes of many. I think he’ll win now.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Sep 23, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So it's cool to talk about the AL Central here?
Man, the Twins are playing some of their scrappiest baseball in recent history, and that’s saying a lot. Even if they have to face the Yanks in the Divisional Series, it’ll thrill me. Another season of stupendous baseball witnessed by a selected few.
by chilango2 on Sep 23, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm from 'Sota.
And I approve of this.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Sep 23, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love watching the Twinkies play.
I’m glad there’s one playoff race to end the season. This has been the most boring September in terms of playoff races in quite some time.
I thought Peter Gammons suggestion of a 2nd wild card team was interesting. Basically, the MLB season would start 3 days earlier (on a Friday) and end 3 days earlier. That would leave the final weekend before the playoffs for a 3 game series between the 2 wildcard teams. The rest of the playoff schedule would not be affected.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Sep 23, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No bye.
Essentialy, it would be a 3 game series between the 2 wild card teams that would occur during what is now the final weekend of the regular season. The rest of the playoff schedule would be played just as in the past.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Sep 23, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with that is...
… teams don’t want to end their regular seasons on a Thursday. They want that final weekend.
A more likely scenario would be to have the two wild card teams play a single play-in game. That might work with the existing schedule.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Sep 23, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like a single game play in game
when you have just played 162. If the Cubs were the first wildcard team and had a record 10 games better than the next team, we would be really upset about them playing a 1 game play in with a team that was far inferior to them during the regular season. And justifiably so.
I could go for a 3 game play in series, but not a 1 gamer. It really makes the regular season not nearly important enough IMHO.
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
by Archie on Sep 23, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like a series of games
simply because that’s how baseball is played throughout the season.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Sep 23, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm from the D
so it is only cool if you talk about the Tigers playing Yanks in the ALDS.
by madeindetroit on Sep 23, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They always seem to make a late-season run.
Pretty impressive mojo.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 23, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate the word "scrappy"
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Sep 23, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Getting that win was a big step towards winning the Cy Young
Not that he didn’t/doesn’t already deserve it, But I think I read somewhere where the previous low win total for a Cy Young winner was 16. And it seems to me that sportswriter/voter types rely heavily on precedent when it comes to these kind of things.
Greinke should get two more starts (MIN, @MIN) and has a good chance of winning at least one. But even if he doesn’t, 15 wins is much easier to sell/defend than 14.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Sep 23, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, no, no - pick another cute animal.
We only murder kittens to boost the Cubs BABIP.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 23, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And they come in many forms...
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
by eths on Sep 23, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AGH!
Save that for tonight.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 23, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Game starts at 2:05 AM local time
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
by eths on Sep 23, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am thrilled
he had such a great season and i agree with you. It is just that Lee has never produced like this with the Cubs in contention, see 2007 and 2008. That being said, 2009 was a great season for him and he was one of the few bright spots on this team. I would just be wary of giving him an extension based on a career year (see: Dempster). I just want to see Lee show some consistency and put up similar numbers next season.
by tripdenten on Sep 23, 2009 9:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He had a similar year before he broke his wrist.
Big numbers, broken wrist, wrist recovery, Big Numbers. Doesn’t read like an anomoly as much as an injury to me.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Sep 23, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs have bounced back nicely after those two excruciating losses in St. Louis.
Plus it’s always fun to cream the Brewers
by Mapmaker on Sep 23, 2009 10:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It sure is.
Not Bruce Froemming got to see a great game last night.
Hopefully, I end this season on a winning note in a few days in San Francisco.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 23, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets see now...
{CrystalBall active="True"}
I see a tall dark man in your…
{CrystalBall action=“thump” Severity="high"}
{CrystalBall action=“thump” Severity="high"}
(sometimes the stupid thing doesn’t work correctly)
I see a series of victories as part of the final 15 day winning streak…
{CrystalBall active="False"}
Standard disclaimer about crystal balls
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
by eths on Sep 23, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Wells will have Tommy John next year
Sweet…sorry any comparison to Kerry Wood
by EamuCanoli on Sep 23, 2009 10:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Colvin made a good catch last night
But I am really hesitant to think he could play CF for us next year. The Cubs tried to make Colvin a CF in the minors for two seasons, and eventually gave up and moved him to right field. I don’t think one good series in the majors playing CF indicates that a decision made over two years that Colvin couldn’t handle CF was a wrong one.
He’s also walked twice in two games, which is good to see because there were whole months in the minors he didn’t draw two walks.
Anyway, it’s good to see Colvin having a good series, which is exactly what I wanted to see out of him. He should be given a chance to make the team next year out of Spring Training. But we need to see more of him in the majors before we throw out three and a half seasons of minor league scouting on him.
by Josh77 on Sep 23, 2009 11:59 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
About the walks...
…is it possible that it’s just harder to draw a lot of walks in the minors because the pitchers there just serve up more hittable pitches? Colvin has looked surprisingly – and delightfully – selective at the plate so far in the majors. Of course, the sample remains quite small.
In any case, I agree that every Cubs fan should exercise all due caution of falling in love with Colvin or any September callup for that matter. Don’t get me wrong – I’m happy for him and hope he continues to do well. But it still seems like Sam Fuld should be considered a step ahead of Colvin in terms of making the majors full time.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 23, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hold on there
Colvin is 24. Fuld is….28?
Sam, although it appears he should be on a MLB roster as a 5th outfielder doesn’t have the upside that Colvin has.
Colvin’s future as a possible starter is much brighter. Maybe not next year, but soon.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 23, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colvin's
♪♫ gotta wear shades
"Fasten those seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Sep 23, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
♪♫ I study nuclear science, I love my classes... ♪♫
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 23, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
♫ Well I'm heavenly blessed and worldly wise I'm a peeping-tom techie with x-ray eyes ♫
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 23, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
♪♫ Things are goin' great...and they're only gettin' better ♪♫
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 23, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 23, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how do you make those notes and hearts and things?
Is there a link to explain to those of us too unhip to know?
by Emelie on Sep 23, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On a Macintosh you can use Special Characters in the Edit menu...
☞☛ But for µSoft and Linux stuff – no idea. ☚☜
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
by eths on Sep 23, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The music symbols are [ALT + 13] or [ALT + 14]
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 23, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
by eths on Sep 23, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for posting that link!
☺
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Sep 23, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
☼ day, keeping the ☁s away, on my way to where the air is sweet...
can you tell me how to ☜☝☞☟ to Sesame Street?
The things I learn on BCB!
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
by Zeke on Sep 23, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, soon - but 2010 seems too soon.
Maybe have him play at Iowa next season then bring him on as a fourth/fifth OF in 2011 with the intention of having him take over for Kosuke when his contract runs out? Just spitballin’. Anything’s possible.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 23, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I understand, that was the tenative plan for Colvin.
(Sending him to AAA in 2010 for at least part of the season.)
Of course things can always change for a variety of reasons. He definitly looks different (and much improved) from the player I saw play in some spring training games.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Sep 23, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"tried to make Colvin a CF in the minors for two seasons, and eventually gave up "
I realize it is only two games, but he sure looks comfortable in CF now?
Makes me wonder how good the Cubs minor leagues are in defensively developing their players, and why they seem so out of sync with the major league club. If the minors have tagged him a RF’er, why did Lou immediately put him in CF and move Dome to RF?
You could also go back to the Fox confusion before he was called up. All we heard about was what he couldn’t do. Even as Aram was on the DL Iowa was playing Fox at DH, or catching, because they had “given up on him” at 3B.
I realize I only see snippets, but I don’t see a lot of creative work being done on the defensive development side.
"The Cubs are due in sixty-two." - Ernie Banks
by BatCubFan on Sep 23, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think anyone
thought that he couldn’t make a good catch in CF, and I think everyone thought he could play CF in an emergency (He’s not Micah Hoffpauir or Jake Fox out there). The issue was more his range. Now maybe in the majors, they do a lot better job of positioning him so he can get to the ball. I don’t know. Maybe they were wrong (Let’s hope). Or maybe it’s just a matter of luck.
I really warn against rating someone’s defense on a few spectacular plays. Derek Jeter makes spectacular plays from time to time, especially going into the hole. He still lets every ball hit up the middle go into center field.
As far as why Lou put him in CF, they want to give him a chance to show what he can do. He’s a heck of a lot more valuable in CF than in right (and Kosuke is a lot better in RF than CF.) So it makes sense for the team in a situation where the games don’t matter to let Colvin show what he can do in CF.
I’m not saying to dismiss Colvin’s chances in CF. I’m just saying to temper enthusiasm and to keep your eyes open and your mind critical for a while. On the other hand, if he screws up, don’t go out dismissing him for one play either. Defense isn’t about one play—it’s about hundreds of plays.
by Josh77 on Sep 23, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it still seems out of sync to me that ...
the major league team is playing him in CF “to give him a chance to show what he can do” after the minor league team “gave up” on him as a CF’er. Why is there more room for experimentation and development in the majors? That seems backward to me.
I still think Fox, and now Colvin are evidence that player development and the big team’s requirements are not being coordinated through the organization. I don’t mean to be piling on here, but I think this is another responsiblity Hendry has mis-managed.
"The Cubs are due in sixty-two." - Ernie Banks
by BatCubFan on Sep 23, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His range looks pretty good.
Maybe not All-Star level, but if he can hit, then I wouldn’t be averse to giving him a platoon role in CF (if you have Johnson and Fuld on the roster as backups, you can certainly cover at least part of any defensive shortcomings).
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Sep 23, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well . . .
I think Josh is right that it’s only 2 games.
It would be great if he could do it, though – then the Cubs could spend money elsewhere.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 23, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he has earned at least a spring training look.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Sep 23, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, but you can't not acquire someone in the offseason unless you think
that he has a reasonable shot of winning the job.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 23, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless you think you can make up the offense at some other position.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Sep 23, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Josh....
“The Cubs tried to make Colvin a CF in the minors for two seasons, and eventually gave up and moved him to right field.”
This is the same organization that told everyone Jake Fox would give everyone Bubonic Plague if he got to play 3rd base.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 23, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're
seeing a different Jake Fox than I am—hyperbole aside.
by Josh77 on Sep 23, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're seeing a different Jake Fox
than the vast majority sees.
www.facebook.com/craighudak
by Craig in South Bend on Sep 23, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is today not a day game on getaway day?
Especially since the Cubs are on their way to San Francisco?
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 23, 2009 12:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Was wondering the same thing!
Dum spiro spero…
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by AndrewJStone on Sep 23, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the rule only applies going west to east.
Still sucks.
by Harry Pavlidis on Sep 23, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're playing a night game in SF...
… so even though they’ll get in at 2 am Pacific time, they still have many hours to sleep.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Sep 23, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aw man...I thought it was a day game.
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 23, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I don't have to take a day off
For the priveledge of seeing Samardzija pitch in person. Whee.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 23, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have fun at the game.
"Fasten those seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Sep 23, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks.
If nothing else, I’ll spend time with my parents and have a beer…
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 23, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're probably going to need more than just one...
…with Samardzija on the mound.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 23, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are there no other starting pitchers in our minor league system that deserve a token ML start?
It’s not like this game is meaningful, and we know what kind of starter Jeff has been so far.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 23, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I think most of the minor league teams are done.
Maybe Lou should start Aaron Miles just to stick it in the Brewers’ faces.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 23, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't be much different
Than his pitching strategy in game 161 last year.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 23, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe someone should break Aaron Miles' arm
Only two possible positive outcomes here:
1. His arm ends up with the magical power to throw 100mph+ fastballs, a la Rookie of the Year, or
2. Aaron Miles has a broken arm and can’t do that thing where he looks like he’s trying to play baseball.
Win, Win!
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Sep 23, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He may not be on it long enough for me to HAVE more than one
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 23, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
beer bong!
even though it’s milwaukee…. show them what a bleacher creature from chicago is like
by tootle on Sep 23, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I grew up in Kenosha, actually.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 23, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry...
my snark meter is not working right today….. just being snarky about the stereotypical bleacher denizens in wrigley.
by tootle on Sep 23, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah. No worries.
We’re all beer-swilling, nacho-eating slobs up here, anyway. Except Mapmaker – he doesn’t like nachos. ;-)
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 23, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but....
that’s like one of the two food groups….
alcohol and junkfood!
by tootle on Sep 23, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's always chocolate.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 23, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and pizza
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Sep 23, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good chocolate is anything but junk food.
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
by eths on Sep 23, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
ditto on good pizza...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Sep 23, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
☺
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
by eths on Sep 23, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the bright side...
…this Narveson guy starting for the Brewers doesn’t seem all that imposing. He’s been pitching out of the bullpen for most of the season. This will be his third start of the season and he lasted only three innings in his first one and five in his second. Could be a slugfest.
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 23, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was very much rooting for the Cubs to get deep into the MIL bullpen yesterday
Can only help for tonight.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 23, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or two?
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
by eths on Sep 23, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will she be serving them?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 23, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you come here for Oktoberfest - Mabe yes...
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
by eths on Sep 23, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fivehead
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 23, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that a man?
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Sep 23, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was gonna ask the same thing.
The HANDS! Whats wrong with its hands?
Dum spiro spero…
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by AndrewJStone on Sep 23, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
she's got MANHANDS...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Sep 23, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The women working the Oktoberfest need very strong hands, wrists and arms.
The mugs are HEAVY! Full, they weigh about 4 or 5 lbs. – each!
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
by eths on Sep 23, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are so many jokes here...
The women working the Oktoberfest need very strong hands, wrists and arms.
Where do I start, where do I start?
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
by Zeke on Sep 23, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there'd be a lot more if eths had phrased it "The Oktoberfest working women..."
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Sep 23, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ramirez
If Ramirez has a good season next year, he might ask the Cubs for more money after the season is over.
by AboutTheCubs on Sep 23, 2009 12:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure he'll get it
Definitely sure he’s earned it.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Sep 23, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That happened the last two times he had an opt-out clause.
Will likely happen again.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Sep 23, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In my best BB voice,
“Derrek Lee and Tyler Colvin….too much good stuff.”
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Sep 23, 2009 1:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
lower...
we will probably need a strong offense again tonight with the Shark in the water.
Go Cubs!
"Truth hurts. Maybe not as much as jumping on a bicycle with the seat missing, but it hurts." - Leslie Nielson
by LAcarl519 on Sep 23, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is my thought too.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Sep 23, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its a shame manny parras not pitching
it would be a pretty even game them
The official slogan of your 2009 Chicago Cubs:
Why?
by jesus christos on Sep 23, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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