Brewers Marketing: Fueling the Perception
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2009 9:35 AM CDT
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I've been to many Brewer games over the years, having grown up in SE Wisconsin. Most of the fans that I've interacted with at Brewer-Cub games have been knowledgeable and friendly (except for a friend of mine that gets surly when the Cubs win). I suspect that represents the bulk of their fan base. There have been a handful of militant fans, but every fan base has jerks.
This is about the Brewer organization, though - not the fans. Several years ago, when a strike was looking like a possibility, I had seats a few rows behind home plate, so I created a sign that was critical (but not vulgar) of Don Fehr and Bud Selig. When I held it up between innings, it got a lot of attention - and an usher saw it and told me I could not display it - unless I removed the part critical of the Commissioner! Yes, censorship alive and well at Miller Park.
Now they've gone one better and fueled the inferiortiy complex perception. I've made several comments on here that I think the "anti-team" t-shirts that street vendors sell are lame - whether they are anti-Cub, Cardinal, Brewer, Packer, Bear, etc. Well, now the Brewers are selling a t-shirt in their official team store that says "Curse the Cubs" and has a goat on it. Personally, I find this hilarious on several levels.
It's amusing more than offensive, and if it's supposed to be offensive, it's that much more amusing.
As someone (Josh?) pointed out last year, the curse itself is a myth (and I don't give credence to the concept of a curse in the first place). Plus, Cub fans don't really buy into it, but fans of other teams insist that we do. It speaks volumes to me that they need to do this because they think that their fan base is likely to buy an anti-Cub shirt instead of a Brewer shirt . . . one can see anti-Cub shirts in Miller Park when the Cubs aren't even there, but I think that's a vocal minority. (That's not to say they the "mainstream" fans like the Cubs, but most can show a little more class than that.) You've got some pretty bush league marketing personnel working for you, Mr. Attanasio!
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You mean something along the lines
of this?
"Dad gum right this games gonna be played under protest. . . I guarantee this is gonna be one protest that's upheld." --Hawk Harrelson, 6/24/07
by RynoHoF on Sep 24, 2009 9:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Can't open it at work . . but probably, yeah
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a link to the official Cubs MLB website
where they’re selling a t-shirt that shows a dude in a Cubs uniform being chased by the participants in Milwaukee’s sausage races with the caption “You guys are wieners!”
I’m honestly still trying to figure out if it’s offensive or just kind of dumb. But it’s along the same lines as the t-shirt you described above. I tried to post a picture of it, but my computer capabilities only allow a link.
"Dad gum right this games gonna be played under protest. . . I guarantee this is gonna be one protest that's upheld." --Hawk Harrelson, 6/24/07
by RynoHoF on Sep 24, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd vote for dumb on that one, too.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully this works.
Yeah it’s seriously lame.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 24, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that is very lame.
Who over the age of 7 would want a shirt like that?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or this guy...
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 24, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is he older than 7?
Didn’t act like it . . .
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly the Brewers aren't the only team that goes below the belt
Of course it wasn’t long ago that I could buy Cubs stuff at Miller Park during a Brewers-Giants game.
The Marlins trotting out that goat (they are perhaps the worst about all the stuff), the Cardinals sell all kinds of shirts, perhaps not in their official store idk, Mike Shannons has them for sale though and that is a team employee.
I think of it as a compliment, we are always the first thing on our rivals minds. When the Cardinals clinch tonight I promise the first thing that I hear at the bar is “Cubs Suck!” I just laugh and thank them for thinking of us in their moment of glory.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Sep 24, 2009 9:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't even think it's below the belt
I think it’s grasping at straws.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why don't they just go back to selling real Cubs gear
and appeal to a majority of the people in their stadium?
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Sep 24, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 on both replies
I find it interesting (but not surprising) that the t-shirt is sold in their official team store… normally you’d find that sort of stuff outside, being sold by a guy with a whole bunch of shirts on a stick.
People are always looking for ways to make a buck… and I don’t just mean concession stand vendors. It’s to the Brewers’ best interest to keep fueling this relatively new “rivalry”, precisely because of what nji232 says… their biggest nights are when we’re in town.
I don't care how long you've been around, you'll never see it all.
by Dou on Sep 24, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On a related note...
… every time I went to Wrigley this year I thought of buying the t-shirt that reads “The Cardinals take it in the Pujols”, because I found it very clever.
I never did though, because I couldn’t see myself actually wearing it… heh.
I don't care how long you've been around, you'll never see it all.
by Dou on Sep 24, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clever?
If your 8 years old maybe, sorry man thats probably worse than the “Wieners” shirt posted above. I hope you considered buying it only after 6+ innings of Old Style.
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
by StevenABQ on Sep 24, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe somewhat clever...
… partly because I’d never made a connection between Pujols and Poo Holes. Mostly because it’s probably the only thing (albeit a ridiculous one) that the best player in baseball offers to snicker at.
I guess that when the best player in baseball plays for the team you hate, a team that outplayed the team you love in every possible aspect this season, your mind resorts to 30 seconds of 8-year old humor in an attempt to find a wee bit of consolation. Especially after 6+ innings of Old Style.
I don't care how long you've been around, you'll never see it all.
by Dou on Sep 24, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I see what your saying, its hard to find things to make fun of the guy about. Especially since by all accounts he’s a really nice guy — and of course a hell of a BB player.
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
by StevenABQ on Sep 24, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Similar to the "joke"...
…what do Cubs fans and Cardinals have in common?
Both love Pujols.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Sep 24, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Always can count on you for a gay joke.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BULLSHIT.
And where is your outrage over the other Pujol jokes?
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Sep 24, 2009 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bullshit that you are fond of posting gay jokes?
Do you want to rethink that claim?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
How many times have I posted gay jokes?
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Sep 24, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right, "jokes" isn't the right term
But you do like to imply that it’s ok to do so, and while it wasn’t posted, you actually e-mailed one to Andrew.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 25, 2009 6:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong again.
Never said nor implied that. You’re wrong again but nice try.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Sep 25, 2009 6:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Fonzarelli...
“Always can count on you for a gay joke.”
“Bullshit that you are fond of posting gay jokes? Do you want to rethink that claim?”
So, you’ve slandered me, boldly saying that I “always” post gay jokes here and do so fondly. You’d think that if someone made that claim they’d have abundant examples or at least a few. Instead, you got nothing!
You and the Fonz have one thing in common, you can’t simply admit you are wrong.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Sep 25, 2009 7:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get some new material, Doc.
I’ve admitted to being wrong plenty of times. I’m wrong plenty of times.
Thanks for that santimonious outburst, though. I can always use a good laugh in the morning.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 25, 2009 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cease fire...
I have not lied. Not one bit. Your smear of me was baseless and wrong, even as your links prove.
Sanctimonious? That’s your pal, AndrewJStone.
The guy defended racist tinged smears of Sox fans. Had a signature that decried political correctness. Then gets an email that he considers “homophobic,” immediately sends an email to Al Yellon that was the very epitome of sanctimony.
And hey if you get an offensive email, one that horrifies you, the obvious thing is to post that email on a public board. Top it off too with repeatedly claiming to have received multiple homophobic emails. It was one.
Maybe since AndrewJStone likes posting email correspondence, maybe he won’t mind if I post his sanctimonious email here?
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Sep 25, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's end this right now.
Enough.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Sep 25, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Enough, right...
… of saying that I spew hate on this board, without any evidence. Enough alright.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Sep 25, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ceased.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 25, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, i don't even know how you invented this beef with me.
If you follow me here, you know i’m far more sensitive to issues of race than most. I have my reasons for that, and your outrage is misplaced at best.
Out of respect to Al, i won’t take the time to debate you on this any further.
But know that the way you handle yourself in conversations like this only adds to the unfair perception that Sox fans are ignorant jerks. You are hurting your case, not helping it. And for that, i feel bad for you.
Have a good weekend.
Dum spiro spero…
Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on Sep 26, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Likewise.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Sep 26, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frankly the level of insult here is a little below what i generally like to get involved in…I will continue to refuse to engage him here in this format…
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Sep 26, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've got some thrilling emails...
by AndrewJStone on Sep 25, 2009 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thus endeth his participation in this thread
Because doing otherwise would force him to admit he’s wrong, and Dr. Fonzarelli is not capable of doing so.
Ayyyy!
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 25, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You wouldn't be implying that...
… the good Dr has jumped the shark, would you?
Dum spiro spero…
Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on Sep 25, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dang, I wish I could see the picture.
I’ll have to look at home.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 25, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quick question...
How many different “homophobic” emails have I sent you?
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Sep 25, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't remember exactly how many were in the email thread...
… so i’m just going to say “at least one more than is acceptable” and leave it at that.
Look, if you are going to try to justify being pissy with me on BCB and then using it to look up my email address and send me nasty messages because you only sent me a few, kudos. I’m proud of your self-control.
But the rest of us over here in grown up land aren’t going to appreciate anything like that EVER. So get over yourself.
Dum spiro spero…
Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on Sep 25, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One is the answer.
Remind me of your stand on political correctness.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Sep 25, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the record...
… as you can’t seem to recall. I’ve sent you two emails.
1. The email that you posted.
2. I called you an asshole for posting my email.
Following your howling of outrage, I posted this:
My thing…
… is condemning racist tinged smears.
According to "AndrewJStone"
* racist tinged jokes, acceptable
* gay tinged jokes, unacceptable
Both are wrong. That was the point of my email.
I stand by my assessment of you.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Sep 25, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully you won't have to worry about the Cards clinching tonight.
They’re off, so they’re reliant upon a Cubs loss tonight.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Sep 24, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since it's been such a weird season,
it’d kind of be fitting for the Cards to clinch the division on an off day.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Sep 24, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't that like us in 2007?
Padres over the Brewers with big homerun from Khalil Greene?
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 24, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs had already won that night.
Zambrano shutout versus Cincinnati.
Though the Padres’ win clinched the division and Greene hit a 2-run homer in the 8th to seal the win for SD.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Sep 24, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I thought.
It was very anticlimactic.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 24, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I vaguely remember celebrating at a bar.
And I think WGN radio carried extended coverage post-game until the Brewers game was over, which was cool.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Sep 24, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still have the video coverage on my TiVo.
WGN cuts into a Scrubs episode to announcer the Brewers had lost and we were going to the playoffs. That was a fun night.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 24, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The receipt I found the next morning told me it was a fun night.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Sep 24, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got up at 5 the next day
So I could drive from Racine to Chicago, buy t-shirts and hats for friends in Kenosha (who wore them at the Brewer game; not my fault) and for my dad and me to wear at the 11 AM Badger game in Madison.
It was worth it.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well played.
I think I ordered shirts that night, and the next day was spent in Cincinnati celebrating at the game.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Sep 24, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was in a hotel bar in Cincinnati watching the SD/Mil game with about 100 other Cubs fans.
Should have stayed at GABP, they hosted some Cubs fans there.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Sep 24, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean they had
the game on the TVs at GABP? If so, that’s outstanding, although Cincinnati does have some fine bars.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 24, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they had it on the scoreboard.
If someone who was there can confirm this, please post.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Sep 24, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and a nice pitching performance by certain ex Cub
and future HOF. I was in a bar in Cincinnati watching with a lot of Cub fans who had been at the game. Nothing like
100 Cub fans singing and dancing celebrating a division championship in Cincinnati
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Sep 25, 2009 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then, of course
there’s the 1984 San Diego “Cubbusters” T-shirt. Thankfully, I cannot find an image. It was brought back in the team’s gift shop to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the take down.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 24, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
here you go
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Sep 24, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Just Vomited
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Sep 24, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i didn't want to find them.
it was just i had too much time on my hands.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Sep 24, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
♪Hard to believe such a calamity♫
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh! The Tigers kicked their collective frocks.
Serves ’em right.
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
by Zeke on Sep 24, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heck yeah and
I owned a “With the Tigers there, the Padres have no prayer” T-shirt. It was hideous, but I was only 10.
by madeindetroit on Sep 24, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate that shirt
It makes me sad
"This next song... it's about the White Sox. It's called: F*** Em'." - Eddie Vedder
by PacificCub on Sep 24, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's really worse because
it’s offically sanctioned by the Padres. It was sold at Qualcomm Stadium in 1984, and, as I mentioned earlier – brought back as ‘Throwback’ gear this year for the celebration of the 25th anniversary of the pennant-winning season. This miserable image was back up on the Petco Video board 5 years ago, on the 20th Anniversary celebration. (That party also took place when the Cubs were in town, same as this year.)
You’ll note it has their official 1984 logo. It’s not a trademark violation non-sanctioned piece of clothing.
Whether or not it’s MLB sanctioned, is another story. I’ll have to actually look at the shirt in their team store to see if it has official MLB tags. I’m sure it’s still on sale.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 25, 2009 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Brewers have always had and will always have a little brother inferiority complex of the Cubs.
And for that, I am smitten.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Sep 24, 2009 10:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Not to the extent of the Sox, but it’s pretty bad.
I always find it funny when a fan finds more joy in another team losing than their own team winning.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 24, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which accounts for
The numbers of “Dodgers Suck” and “Raiders Suck” T-shirts in this market.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 24, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's a myth perpetrated
by those with their own issues.
by ol Pete on Sep 28, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Answer this question?
Will/does it sell?
If it does they in their eyes, why wouldn’t they do it?
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Sep 24, 2009 10:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I suspect a shirt with a naked Terri Hatcher on it would sell
Does that mean they should do it?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm in for one.
Dum spiro spero…
Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on Sep 24, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're real and they're spectacular
"You know, you should be a lot more careful crossing the street like that, otherwise you could die - if that bothers you."
by gauchodirk on Sep 24, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The shirts?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Sep 24, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nessie
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alas, no
I was referring to a quote from the Season 4 Seinfeld episode entitled “The Implant”, which Teri Hatcher was in.
"You know, you should be a lot more careful crossing the street like that, otherwise you could die - if that bothers you."
by gauchodirk on Sep 24, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
YES THEY SHOULD.
Yes they should.
Before each game, please remember to feed the bats.
by Cool Hand on Sep 25, 2009 2:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well . . .
I’d buy one
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 25, 2009 6:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Mom has always told me,
Just because you CAN do something, doesn’t mean you SHOULD.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Sep 24, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too much outreach of a statement
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Sep 25, 2009 5:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question
This is being sold IN Miller Park at an officially licensed MLB/Brewers team store? If so, the Cubs should be all over this for libel or slander. That’s ridiculous and shameful that the Brewers organization (which has traditionally been pretty classy) would resort to something like that to make money.
by lswaidz on Sep 24, 2009 10:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, that's where it's sold
Equal time – the Cubs sold shirts during the first interleague series with the Brewers in Chicago that said something like: “City runs out of cheese”. I thought that was dopey, too.
Neither one offended me, though.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No they shouldn't.
For one thing, they did not break the laws of libel and slander. I don’t claim to be a law expert (so if someone who is wants to jump in and help), but if I recall correctly those two things are VERY hard to prove in a court of law.
Second of all, that would make the Cubs look really bad. On one hand we’d look like cry-babies who couldn’t take the ribbing (even if it’s in poor taste). Moreover all they would do is draw more attention to the “curse,” much like they did last year with the priest in the dugout bit.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 24, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's really not that big of a deal
Its their park and if their fans want to buy it let them have some fun and make a profit.
by ak123 on Sep 24, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We might be cursed
But at least our ballpark has sellouts.
We can wear shirts like that when we play the Marlins :)
by ak123 on Sep 24, 2009 11:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
At least...
They can play a game in theirs when it’s raining :p
by WiscCubsFan on Sep 24, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If a game is played in the rain and nobody sees it
Did it really happen?
by ak123 on Sep 24, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
At some point, this is our lot in life
Look, we all chose to root for a team that hasn’t won a championship since 1908 and hasn’t played for one since 1945.
We all chose to root for a team whose biggest division rival, the Cardinals, is the NL version of the Yankees in terms of championships won.
Jokes come with the territory, I’m afraid.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Sep 24, 2009 11:05 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
You and a lot of others seem to be misinterpreting
I’m not upset by this, it amuses me; I said so in the main post.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You may have said it amuses you but your last sentence
seems to contradict that just a bit. Doesn’t bother me at all and in fact, I enjoyed reading your post.
You’ve got some pretty bush league marketing personnel working for you, Mr. Attanasio!
Guess it all depends on how one interprets:
bush league marketing personnel
Let’s face it there’s many a folk here that are outraged at anyone making a profit on something that can somehow be construed as a non-ideal product/service.
One last thing; on the curse. Whether one believes in said curse validates or refutes the curse. One may not believe in curses and that’s fine however Mr. Sianis did curse the Cubs at the 1945 WS. I know this as my father told me. He was there. He saw it. He gave me his ticket stub. He thought it was, as he put it to me as a youngster, “hogwash”. However on his death bed in 1997, ironically as the Cubs started that season 0-14, he said to me, “son maybe there is something to that goat”. He passed away May 5th.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Sep 25, 2009 5:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No disrespect to you or your father
But time plays funny tricks with memories. He probably saw an angry Sianis, but a curse?
If you haven’t aleady done so, I suggest you read this.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 25, 2009 6:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Consider that the Brewers are the one team that the Cubs have routinely owned.
In ‘07 they started in first with a ridiculous record before the Cubs passed them.
In ’08, the Brewers were making a run in July before that 4-game sweep at Miller by the Cubs.
The Cubs fans usually take over their park when they play each other.
A Cubs pitcher threw a no-hitter in their home park.
This year, while both teams have been down, the Cubs handled them again.
AND they have yet to win a division title in the 10 years they’ve been in the national league.
They freaking hate us.
by Mapmaker on Sep 24, 2009 11:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ah, the Milwaukee Massacre
That was a glorious four-game series.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 24, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i miss 2008...
The official slogan of your 2009 Chicago Cubs:
Why?
by jesus christos on Sep 24, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, the fans do
but now lets take a look at how the team marketing approaches this.
They created the “take back Miller Park” program. They pushed for the Brewers fans to unite and stirred it up with the Cubs.
What does all that do? Sell tickets; cha-ching! Sell merchandise; cha-ching! Sell food & drink; cha-ching!
Whatever their marketing team can do to improve their margins, they should do. They’re doing exactly what a capitalist does, building a successful business.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Sep 25, 2009 5:39 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Brewers have a long and storied history of winning
so we must respect them.
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
by DTJchris on Sep 24, 2009 11:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think
The most offensive is the “Insert any latino player mows my lawn” shirts. First it was Zambrano and I noticed at the last Cubs Sox game they had “Ozzie mows my lawn” shirts. What makes it so ridiculous is that EVERY team has latino players on it and in the Cardinals case their best player is of latin heritage. I wonder what Albert would have to say about those shirts.
"I hate to sound like a broken record, but I guess it's better than sounding like a broken mp3 player because then you would'nt hear anything." - Len Kasper
by JMG1984 on Sep 24, 2009 12:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I wonder about people who buy those shirts.
Who would do that?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Sep 24, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every time I pass by a vendor selling that particular shirt,
I let him know how what a disgrace he is to the City of Chicago and to Cub fans everywhere. I’ve yet to be in shouting distance of a police officer when I’ve seen this jerk but if I ever see one, I intend to make a complaint.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Sep 24, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On what grounds, though?
There’s no law against poor taste. If there was, HWSNBN would have been locked up long ago.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't they have to have a vendor's license?
I want to make a complait to pull their license. At the very least, I want it to be in their file when they go to renew it.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Sep 24, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
An interesting point.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This type of person, Al....
I haven’t visited “Gaslamp Ball” in months. There, today — I found a post about the “1984 Cubs, where are they now?” (Wonder where they found that, eh? And why would they even CARE?)
But, here’s the first response in a tiny thread:
Reminding Cub fans how long it has been Always seems like its rewarding in itself.
These are the idiots who buy T-Shirts who insult the opposition. This guy has “Dodgers Suck” and “Raiders Suck” T-shirts lining his…dorm room.
by Dude52089 on Sep 24, 2009 5:12 PM EDT reply actions
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 25, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hard for us to say anthing
We had some of the most offensive shirts sold in Wrigleyville about our own player.
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
by StevenABQ on Sep 24, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right on the money here Badger
I’m not amused by those kinds of shirts but I am amused by the level of an adult mind that finds them funny, etc.
As much as the Cubs might frustrate me, I’m only interested in rooting for them-not rooting AGAINST another team. To me, that defeats the whole purpose of being a fan.
by bluekoolaide on Sep 24, 2009 1:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Livestock in Chicago
What’s up with livestock in Chicago? You got the billy goat with the Cubs and Mrs. O’Leary’s cow with the Chicago fire.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Sep 24, 2009 1:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Fire haven't played in years . . .
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, wait, that's Sting.
Or THE Sting . . . .
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Livestock and animals
Don’t forget the Bears and the Bulls.
Ah, Mrs O’Leary and her cow. Another old story that just happens to be false.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Sep 25, 2009 5:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My wife and I went to the April 12 Cubs/Brewers game and went into the main gift shop.
Right inside the door on a display table was a mountain of little plush stuffed goats. My wife and I laughed. We almost bought one.
Some things ‘ya just gotta laugh at. This was one. It wasn’t worth getting upset over.
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
by Zeke on Sep 24, 2009 3:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As I said about 1/2 dozen times in this thread, I wasn't upset.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't mean to imply you were. I didn't catch all the comments above, but it wasn't meant as a criticism of you or anyone in particular...
Just that WE didn’t get upset about it.
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
by Zeke on Sep 25, 2009 5:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough. It was late . . .
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 25, 2009 6:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
But don’t worry, there will be someone here all PO’d about it; just walking around waiting to get offended.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Sep 25, 2009 5:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing to remember is...
… that the Brewers are not marketing to Cubs fans. They are marketing to Brewers fans. And Brewers fans want to believe in the curse. They want to say “Cubs suck,” talk about goats and fans. It isn’t high level stuff here.
Somewhere in a dresser drawer, I still have a T-shirt I got on my trip to Chicago in 1989 that reads “New York Sucks” in Mets colors. We got my brother a shirt that said “What the Hell is an Expo?” Not high art, but at the time, in the midst of a pennant race, I wore it proudly.
So don’t take offense, just ignore it. Anyone with half a brain knows there is no such thing as a curse. The rest of them are Brewers, Sox and Cardinal fans.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
by Ross on Sep 24, 2009 3:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I imagine there are far more Cubs fans than Brewers fans who believe in the curse.
by ol Pete on Sep 28, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I imagine there are more Brewers fans that believe Cubs fans believe in it
Than Cubs fans that actually do.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 28, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That statement almost is like an Escher painting
but I agree with it.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 29, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know a single Sox fan who believes...
… in the so-called curse. The only thing Sox fans believe about the so-called curse is that it’s worthy of ridicule.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Sep 30, 2009 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kinda related
But at Dodger’s stadium, the only show the home team’s highlights on the score board. One time, Rafael Furcal let down a bunt, and DeRosa made an excellent play to get him by a step. On the scoreboard, they only showed the bunt but not the play!
by vivaelpujols on Sep 24, 2009 7:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Probably because scoreboard operators are told not to show really close plays.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Sep 24, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brewers postgame radio show
replays only Brewers runs. None by the opposing team, even when the Brewers lose.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 24, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's common practice.
You are honking the home team, win or lose. It’s expected.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 25, 2009 1:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except WGN often runs a replay...
… of a key opposition scoring play, if it was important to the final result of the game.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Sep 25, 2009 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh.
That’s not really a big deal.
The Cubs never used to replay them on the radio. Now they replay almost every scoring play.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 25, 2009 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They showed the play at 1st last night
Fontenot was safe….
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the Cubs/Cards game I went to back in July, I saw a lot of bad shirts—both on the vendors and the fans (ours and theirs.) There was Zambrano/Guillen/Pujols Mows My Lawn, Brewers Suck Sausage, and worse. There was a guy next to us with a shirt that said, “Cubs Fans Have Above-Ground Pools,” which doesn’t even make any sense.
I did see one cool Cardinals shirt that a kid had; showing rings for all their championships, and the caption “we’ve got our hands full.” Like a lot of posters in this thread, I don’t see the point of buying a shirt that disrespects another team, rather than one that respects your own. (The shirt I bought was one of ultimate respect—one featuring the name and number of Ted R. Lilly.)
Before each game, please remember to feed the bats.
by Cool Hand on Sep 25, 2009 2:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not only that, but...
… often the shirt is sold in the color of the team you supposedly hate. So a lot of these Sox fans wind up wearing blue shirts with a Cub-dissing image on them. At a distance, you’d just think they were another Cubs fan.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Sep 25, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is one anti-Cubs shirt that I must grudgingly tip my cap to.
That’s the blue shirt with the white “L” I’ve seen on a Cardinal’s fan. A sick twist on our “W” shirts. I thought that was actually pretty clever. However, I still think these kind of shirts are just plain silly. It makes me wonder what kind of fan cares more about the other team losing than their own team winning.
"Fasten those seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Sep 25, 2009 9:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And like I said...
… a Cardinals fan wearing a blue shirt looks, at a distance, like just part of a Cubs crowd.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Sep 25, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Shows how misguided the poor souls are.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 25, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reposted in a more appropriate position than abobe
I haven’t visited "Gaslamp Ball" in months. There, today — I found a post about the "1984 Cubs, where are they now?" (Hey Al – Wonder where they found that, eh? And why would they even CARE?)
But, here’s the first response in a tiny thread:
Reminding Cub fans how long it has been Always seems like its rewarding in itself.
These are the idiots who buy T-Shirts who insult the opposition. This guy has "Dodgers Suck" and "Raiders Suck" T-shirts lining his…dorm room.
And of course, his screen name is….
by Dude 52089 on Sep 24, 2009 5:12 PM EDT
Now that’s a clever monicker….
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 26, 2009 12:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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