Looking To Make History: Cubs vs. Giants Preview, Sunday 9/27, 3:05 CT
by Al Yellon on Sep 27, 2009 1:00 PM CDT
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PrintThe Giants moved from New York to San Francisco 51 years ago, in 1958. Since then, the Cubs have played them in San Francisco in a four-game series 23 times.
The number of times a Cubs team has swept a Giants team on the road in those 23 tries is zero. So the 2009 Cubs has a chance to do something that's never been done before by a Cubs team -- sweep the Giants in a four-game set in San Francisco. The Cubs did sweep the Giants in a four-game series at Wrigley Field in 1963. The final game of that series, on June 6, was memorable. Reliever Lindy McDaniel came into a tie game in the 10th inning with the bases loaded. He picked Willie Mays off second base, struck out Ed Bailey, then hit a walkoff homer leading off the bottom of the 10th. That is the only time the Cubs have swept the Giants at all in a four-game series since they moved West in 1958.
There was an article the other day by Paul Sullivan speculating on whether the Giants would trade Aaron Rowand for Milton Bradley. Thought you would like to see a couple of FanShots from McCovey Chronicles with some thoughts from Giants fans on whether they'd do it or not. And, you can cross the Royals off the list of teams that might want Bradley, with pretty strong language quoted by Bob Dutton of the Kansas City Star:
Royals officials dismiss — in strong terms — reports of possible interest in acquiring outfielder Milton Bradley from the Cubs. "Idiots" was one of the nicer comments directed at those offering such speculation.
Site note: tonight is Yom Kippur, so today's game recap will be delayed until tomorrow morning.
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Matt Cain last faced the Cubs on July 11, 2008 at Wrigley Field. He and Jason Marquis both threw seven shutout innings that day, but the Cubs won 3-1 when Aramis Ramirez hit a three-run homer off reliever Tyler Walker. In fact, Cain didn't give up a run to the 2008 NL scoring leaders in two starts last year. This year, Cain has overall good numbers, but has lost his last three starts, in which he has a 9.42 ERA. Derrek Lee, who we hope will be back in the lineup today, is 4-for-15 with a double and HR off Cain and Aramis Ramirez is 3-for-10.
Randy Wells talked Lou into giving him two more starts, so he'll go today and then Saturday at home vs. the Diamondbacks. Randy's walk rate is up a bit this month (10 in 26.1 innings) but he has still posted a 2.73 ERA in five starts. He has never faced the Giants and the only player on their team who he has faced -- Freddy Sanchez in his Pirates days -- is now out for the season.
Today's game will have good announcers again (Len & Bob) on WGN and also on CSN Bay Area (Mike Krukow and Duane Kuiper). For other games today see the MLB.com Mediacenter.
Baseball-reference.com game preview
Please visit our SB Nation Giants site McCovey Chronicles.
Overflow comment threads will post today at 4:15 and 5:15 pm CDT.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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Ba-da-boom. CHING!
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
SECOND!
Just by looking at record and ERA, Wells and Cain match up pretty well. I’d take Cain any day but still impressive. Wells should have a few more wins as well.
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
Bradley for Rowand = Meh
Rowand hasn’t looked very good this series, and he’s not getting any younger. I think the Cubs can do better.
by Mike Vails Evil Twin on Sep 27, 2009 1:10 PM CDT reply actions
The only reason this is being discussed at all..
… is that it would give a way to not have to eat Bradley’s entire contract.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I understand that
I saw earlier discussions about that scenario. I’m just putting in my two cents. I thought that’s what we were supposed to do here.
by Mike Vails Evil Twin on Sep 27, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's my two cents.
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
I got two cents too
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
No, I didn't mean US discussing it...
… I mean the idea of it at all being discussed. I realize Rowand’s limitations, but maybe he’d hit better in Wrigley.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
It also allows the Cubs to move Fukudome back to RF
the OF defense (well, CF and RF, depending on Soriano) would be pretty solid.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
You ain't gonna get much for Bradley anyway unless Hendry pulls a rabbit out
of his hat like he did with Todd Hundley. And that’s not gonna be easy…
Hey, I’ll probably get to see the Cubs and Bears game on TV before nightfall, when Yom Kippur starts…
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
Don't be surprised if Hendry does pull that rabbit out of his hat.
He’s done it before, as you note. Plus, there is no shortage of other teams wanting to get rid of bad contracts of their own.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I would be shocked....
if he has to eat more than half, if that. I mean, if the Cubs had went out and signed Bradley to a 2/12 deal last year, even I would have been behind that. You start shopping him like that, and a slew of possibilities open up. Tampa. Padres. San Fran. Texas. Both New York teams. Nationals. Toronto. Marlins. I think the interest in him is going to be greater than people think, particularly if Hendry is advertising that he’s eating contract.
People act like Milton doesn’t have talent, or can’t be productive. If I thought the Cubs could get that AAV under 7 million, I wouldn’t even wait for Hendry to call me, especially if I were an AL GM.
by Damen Jackson on Sep 27, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
And go Randy Wells!
Winning the ERA title would help make up for all the games the bullpen blew for him earlier this season. I hope he makes it!
by Mike Vails Evil Twin on Sep 27, 2009 1:15 PM CDT reply actions
Winning the ERA title will be difficult.
Let’s say he throws seven innings each time and doesn’t give up an earned run.
That would make his season ERA 2.75, not nearly enough to win. It would also likely give him two wins and make him 13-9. That might get him some ROY votes.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
You're right
I didn’t realize so many people were ahead of him. It’s a darn shame the bullpen cost him some wins, because if he had won fifteen or sixteen, he probably would have been a shoe in for ROY.
by Mike Vails Evil Twin on Sep 27, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Bottom of third WSH-ATL 2:0 and bottom of forth NYM-FLA 3:0
After a Cubs win this evening I am going to be senselessly optimistic.
Aegroto, dum anima est, spes esse dicitur – Eamus Catuli
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
Damnation: ATL-WSH 2:2 with Braves runner on third
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
After 4 WSH-ATL 3:2
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
Mets now leading 4 to 0 in the bottom of the fifth
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
The games NYM-FLA (4:0 in the 7th) and ATL-WSH (2:3 in the 5th) still going our way
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
I'm lighting some incense for Jobu now.
And having a shot of rum…
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
Do we need a kitten?
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
To sacrifice?
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
Praying cats or preying cats?
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
In the 8th 4 to 0 and in the 6th still 3 to 2
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
Scores at 21:16 CEST
NYM 4 FLA 0 bottom of 8th
ATL 2 WSH 3 bottom of 6th
STL 0 COL 0 top of 1st
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
Scores at 21:29 CEST
NYM 4 FLA 0 top of 9th
ATL 3 WSH 3 top of 7th
STL 0 COL 2 bottom of 1st
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
Scores at 21:38 CEST
NYM 4 FLA 0 final
ATL 3 WSH 3 bottom of 7th
STL 0 COL 2 top of 2nd
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
Scores at 21:48 CEST
ATL 3 WSH 3 top of 8th
STL 0 COL 2 top of 3rd
NYM 4 FLA 0 final
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
Scores at 21:59 CEST
ATL 3 WSH 3 top of 9th
STL 3 COL 2 top of 3rd
NYM 4 FLA 0 final
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
Lineup via Twittermyer
One more day for Lee. Lineup: riot, fuky, rami, fox (3), bake, scales, hill, fuld (8), wells.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I hope that this not Randy's last chance of the year - Lineup not really surprising I suppose
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
This lineup can get it done today. GO CUBS!
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
They can and WILL get it done today.
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
Yes, yes! The dream lives another day...
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
Based on an article I posted on the FanShot list earlier this week....
… Wells is scheduled to go on Saturday vs. Arizona.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Seeing Wells' numbers next to Cain's is impressive
I knew Wells had been good… but I didn’t realize he’d been THAT solid.
Jerry’s been so distant lately and Lovie barely calls.- Just Dave
ms out
Rockies about to start. (I hate typing this) GO CARDS!
Hope they are too hung over…
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
3 up and down for the Cards. Mid 1st in Colorado.
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
You meant "not too hung over", right?
Cards are playing several regulars, including Ryan, Pujols, Ludwick & DeRosa.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
LOL. Yes. Or was it Freudian somehow?
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
Rockies just got a 2 out triple to score Helton.
1-0 Rockies :(
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
Oh, I know. Plenty of time.
The Tigers only had one hit through 4 last night and ended up with 20. Heh, heh.
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
Interesting side note:
Ozzie Guillen goes off on his team.
But with good reason. I happen to agree with him.
"Was you ever punched in the face five hundred times a night? It stings after a while." ~Rocky Balboa
Anything the Tigers can do to irritate Ozzie is fine with me.
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
Tigers just went up 2-1 on the Sux in the 6th/
And KC is beating Minny 3-0 bottom of 4.
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
true that
I wasn’t being a defeatist — just merely stating the score.
Go Cub! Go Nats! Go Mets! GO Cards! Go Cubs!
If the Cubs were an international soccer team they'd be called Scotland.
I'm all for all of that!
FLA-NYM game going to last of 9th, 4-0 Mets.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
we need so much to go right...
reminds me of my nights of drinking on Division St in my youth
(odds very similar)
"Truth hurts. Maybe not as much as jumping on a bicycle with the seat missing, but it hurts." - Leslie Nielson
Lots of strikeouts and shutouts?
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
of course...
very low OBP.
"Truth hurts. Maybe not as much as jumping on a bicycle with the seat missing, but it hurts." - Leslie Nielson
"On Babe Percentage"?
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
L'shana Tova to the MOTs out there in BCB land.
let’s see the Cubs get the victory and sweep.
Make history Randy!
"Truth hurts. Maybe not as much as jumping on a bicycle with the seat missing, but it hurts." - Leslie Nielson
Sux just tied up the Tigers at 2.
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
Good
Can’t believe I’m cheering for the Sox, but the Twins are my favorite AL team (have been since the Rod Carew days), so I’d love to see them in the postseason.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 27, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I like the Twins because they are managed so well.
Gardenhire always gets the most out of the talent he has.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
No doubt
I liked Tom Kelly quite a bit, too. And Kirby Puckett, pre-scandal. (He and I attended Triton and Bradley, not quite at the same time, although it turned out we knew a lot of the same people.)
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 27, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
& KC just added another run. 4-0 over the Twinks
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
3-2 Sux now. Crap. Come on Tigers!
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
That couldn't have been easy to type.
"Was you ever punched in the face five hundred times a night? It stings after a while." ~Rocky Balboa
Oh my.
Paul Sullivan talking to Len and Bob on the Lead-Off Man show.
Looks like a homeless guy. Unshaven, ratty zip-up sweatshirt and tee, greasy hair. Man, I realize the season’s almost over, and you’re in SFO, but have some respect for yourself, c’mon.
"Was you ever punched in the face five hundred times a night? It stings after a while." ~Rocky Balboa
What is he- 5'1"?
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
I'd be surprised if he's even 5' tall.
At least Wittenmyer had a nice white, button-front shirt and khakis. Sully just looks icky to me.
"Was you ever punched in the face five hundred times a night? It stings after a while." ~Rocky Balboa
He disgusts me.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
I am forced to conclude
That chicks don’t dig him
"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill
he looks like a midget...
couldn’t they have found a box or a stack of media guides for him to stand on?
Maybe he already was...
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
They don't call him
“The Jockey” for nothing.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 27, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Really? Hadn't heard that one. Seems to fit.
"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)
Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...
Dunston still loves "the Cubbie blue"
"Truth hurts. Maybe not as much as jumping on a bicycle with the seat missing, but it hurts." - Leslie Nielson
watching krukow on leadoff man makes me feel old
krukow, rick reuschel, lynn mcglothen, dennis lamp- who were other starters back then?
"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin
Bases loaded for Albert in St.Louis
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
Sometimes two wrongs can make a right
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
3 run double - nice
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
I guess they are not going to play Colvin anymore? Is Dusty Managing?
Its more important to get Scales some AB’s. He is part of the future starting OF.
JUMP
You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein
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