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Requiem For A Season: Cubs Lose Road Finale 5-1 To Giants

Jeff Baker is 6-2, 210. Pablo Sandoval makes him look... tiny.

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Jeff Baker is 6-2, 210. Pablo Sandoval makes him look... tiny.

Throughout this September, with the Cubs desperately clinging to hope of a postseason berth with a 16-9 start to the month, I kept thinking "stranger things have happened". From time to time, as you know, I'd cite various other late-season pennant collapses or pushes, such as the 1964 Phillies or 2007 Rockies, as examples of why the Cubs could come back.

Now, though, if the Cubs were to somehow pull off a miracle finish, you'd have to say "stranger things have NOT happened". With four teams ahead of them and an elimination number of one, the race is, for all intents and purposes, over.

It would, however, be fun if somehow the five teams wound up in what Baseball Musings' David Pinto calls a "massive tie". Today Pinto posts the way in which four teams could wind up tied for the NL Wild Card. That'd be fun to watch if only to see how Bud Selig would have to sputter his way through the method of breaking the tie. Right now the team with the best chance of pulling a "miracle" finish is the Braves, who on September 6 were seven games off the wild-card pace and who have now won six in a row and closed to within 2.5 games of the lead.

Yesterday, the Cubs missed their chance to have their first-ever four-game sweep of the Giants in San Francisco, losing to the Giants 5-1. Randy Wells didn't pitch too badly, but he kept getting nibbled at; he allowed eight singles and two RBI doubles to a backup catcher (Eli Whiteside) who was hitting .197 at the start of the game. How many times have we heard that story this year? Give some credit to the Giants' Matt Cain, who is one of the better pitchers in the league and who tied the Cubs in knots, throwing eight shutout innings before the Cubs got a consolation run off the Giants' bullpen. The Cubs did get enough men on base in the ninth to force Bruce Bochy to call on his closer, Brian Wilson, to finish it off.

Star-divide

So the Cubs will come home for a season-ending seven-game homestand against two bad teams, the Pirates and Diamondbacks, with a chance to at least end the season strong. Some will say that if the Cubs win all seven (for example) and finish the year with 88 wins, that it would "fool" management into thinking there aren't any problems. I disagree. Management clearly knows what they did wrong this year -- the sending-home of Milton Bradley is evidence of that -- and though this isn't an excuse, injuries, particularly to Aramis Ramirez and Alfonso Soriano, held this year's team back from winning more games.

The first win will give the Cubs three consecutive winning seasons for the first time since 1970-71-72. The 82nd win will also make Lou Piniella the first Cubs manager to have winning seasons in his first three years since Charlie Grimm in 1933-34-35. That's a worthy goal. And any baseball player with professional pride should want to win every time he goes on the field.

I was trying to think of comparisons in Cubs history to the disappointment we have felt over the 2009 Cubs, and "disappointment" is the right word. This wasn't a bad Cubs team, just one that wasn't quite good enough. That would make a comparison to 2004 inapt, because the 2004 Cubs were tremendously talented. Their late-season collapse wasn't in any way comparable to 2009 -- the 2004 team had the wild card in its grasp and blew it.

It's not comparable to 2001, because that was a team of overachievers that probably had no business being in contention that long. That team wound up with 88 wins; the current bunch would have to sweep the homestand to do that -- not an impossible task given the opposition. (We also wouldn't want the 2010 Cubs to do what the 2002 Cubs did -- lose 95 games.)

It's also not comparable to the 1977-78-79 teams, Cubs clubs that either were in first place or nearby for a couple of months each, because this team had far more talent than any of those.

No, I think the best comp to the 2009 Cubs would be the 1970 edition. Similarly to 2009, the 1970 Cubs had to play after a season filled with wonders, only to have the previous year's team collapse -- 2008 in the playoffs, 1969 in September. And like this year's team, after 1969 the Cubs made one significant change: they sent Oscar Gamble and Dick Selma to the Phillies for a washed-up Johnny Callison. Not only was Callison not nearly the player he had been three or four years before, but Gamble eventually became a productive player elsewhere. This forced the 1970 Cubs to play nonentities like Cleo James, Joe Pepitone, Jimmie Hall, a 33-year-old Jim Hickman, and even (for one game) Glenn Beckert in center field, much as the 2009 Cubs have mixed and matched at various positions. The 1970 Cubs got off to a hot start, racing out to a five-game lead by mid-June, and then lost 12 in a row. They never recovered -- just as the eight-game losing streak this year put the Cubs in a spot from which they just barely got back into first place in late July before having an awful August.

But also like this year's team, the 1970 Cubs had one brief "maybe" moment in September. On September 13 at Wrigley Field, the Cubs were down to their last out trailing 2-1, when Matty Alou of the Pirates dropped a routine fly ball. Given new life, the Cubs followed with three straight hits, winning the game 3-2 and moving them to within one game of first place with 17 games left. Unfortunately, the Cubs went 8-9 in those 17 games and finished five games out of first place, the closest they would come to first place in the 1967-73 era of contention.

Enough of the history lesson. Let's hope the Cubs play some fun and winning baseball in the next week, because we will all miss baseball while it is away for the winter.

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Very interesting re-cap, especially the finish of the 1970 Cubs.

The 2009 Cubs are a decent team, but a somewhat high injury risk team that didn’t have good depth or didn’t realize where their depth should come from to start the season. Too many significant injuries to significant players. There were some other issues as well, but I think this team was not able to overcome the long absence of Aramis and the apparent injury diminished Soriano. I also think you are correct that a strong finish won’t mislead management. Now I don’t know how the management views the approach that should be taken for 2010, i.e., is this team in need of healthy players and some tweaks on the bench, or does it require major changes? Either way I am positive about their chances for the 2010 season as I think there’s enough there to be competitive in 2010. Beyond 2010 I think they’ll have to start looking at major changes as guys are getting older.

by DudeVf11 on Sep 28, 2009 8:31 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

85 wins

might be what to expect about now. The point I want to make is yes, we’ve had miserable luck this year with injuries and worst luck on bad trades and unmet expectations. But, 85 wins is remarkable after all we went through. It will not take a lot to get back on top next season and I am confident that the corrections to our roster will be made. I will look forward to ending the season at home on a high note and move toward 2010 with anticipation.

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Sep 28, 2009 8:38 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice recap and history lesson

I remember 1970 being filled with so much promise and then the ending which you described.

Don’t get me wrong, the Cardinals have a pretty solid team that did not wither this year, but the A Ram and Sori injury and the lack of back ups for those two was the reason we didn’t at least win the WC. Of course, that’s a very simplistic view, other things happened along the way like Gregg late season failings and some distractions that got taken care of recently and Lou’s handling of pitchers at times. But, for my money, those two instances cost us big time. Either not knowing or ignoring Sori’s injury and waiting for him to start one of his patented hot streaks for 4 months was the biggest debacle.

"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse

by BigJohnAZ on Sep 28, 2009 8:40 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We'll get 'em next year.

I don't care how long you've been around, you'll never see it all.

by Dou on Sep 28, 2009 9:05 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

as long as Hendry, Milton and Jim are gone

we probably will

I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers

by Nunyabidness on Sep 28, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lou, not Jim, although Jim too

I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers

by Nunyabidness on Sep 28, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To sum it up

The Cubs simply didn’t play like a team worthy of making the playoffs this season. The starting pitching has been excellent for the most part, but run production just hasn’t been there. Injuries have not helped. Milton Bradley’s attitude didn’t help. The lack of team leadership didn’t help. Kevin Gregg’s implosions did not help. Lou Piniella’s frequent turning to Aaron Miles made no logical sense, as did his insistence that a batting order be a righty followed by a lefty. Jim Hendry made the Milton Bradley deal.

Despite all the negatives, the Cubs played winning baseball this season. One more win gives them a winning season. Imagine what five or six more wins at this point would do to our fortunes? The Cubs would have been in the Wild Card hunt with those numbers. Aramis Ramirez, in my opinion, was the difference. I remember watching the game where he was injured in Milwaukee and thinking, “That’s the end of our season right there.” This was back in May and this was a case where I hated being right. Derrek Lee’s resurgence was great this season after his slow start, but Aramis Ramirez is the feared bat in the lineup. I don’t know how many games a healthy Soriano or Soto could have made up, but Ramirez being out for as long as he was the difference.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Sep 28, 2009 9:07 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

They were in first place at the end of July.
Aramis Ramirez, in my opinion, was the difference. I remember watching the game where he was injured in Milwaukee and thinking, "That’s the end of our season right there." This was back in May and this was a case where I hated being right.

The injury was one of the problems. It was not the only one.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 28, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, but Ramirez healthy over that stretch

has Fontenot on the bench or platooning at second. Has Miles playing less and probably provides enough offense to add a few wins in that stretch on his own. If you believe winning breeds winning, the pressure on Bradley is less, the org may let Soriano go on the DL.

All in combination, the Cubs are neck and neck for the Wild Card with Soriano back and healthy. I believe they win the division and Bradley is still reviled, but not suspended and has trade value.

Lee’s April started the Dominos, followed by Bradley slumping, Ramirez injury put the season on rapid decline and it seems to have picked up speed from there.

New ownership and offseason moves can’t start too soon in my opinion.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on Sep 28, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I tend to agree

with Oakley here too.

"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray

by Archie on Sep 28, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As do I

But again, there were plenty of issues, and there’s no guarantee that a healthy Ramirez saves the season.

I question the handling of Soriano’s injury, too. Of course, a bum knee doesn’t make him swing at pitches over the LH batter’s box.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 28, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep, if only Soriano would just get a longer bat... ;-)

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Sep 28, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, I think his injury

did make him widen his zone. He had to guess more frequently to get started and get the head out there because he couldn’t sit on his legs and rely on his hips and legs to drive his swing and quicken his bat.

It certainly is the sole reason for swining at crap, but a contributor.

by socalbob on Sep 28, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

his zone has always been that wide

swinging at pitches way outside has always been in the book on him

I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers

by Nunyabidness on Sep 28, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I was a pitcher

the only thing he would see is sliders and curves on the lower outer half

The sun will shine in '69

by gaclaudy on Sep 28, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When I saw A-Ram go down I thought the same thing. "This could KILL our season".

Yes, it was only one of the things that went wrong, but with a healthy Rami we don’t score 2 runs or less in 53 games. No way.

And THAT could have made a difference in 5 games, or more.

"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)

Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...

by Zeke on Sep 28, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We talked in spring training around here

when the Cubs broke camp there was not obvious backup for third. My first thoughts after seeing Aramis lay out and come up holding his shoulder, was to wonder Hendry was going to do to fill the need. I’m still waiting as everyone says Fox can’t do it.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on Sep 28, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We traded our backup 3rd baseman to the Indians. And we never filled that hole.

So we could eventually get Peavy, right? How’d that work out? Meh.

"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)

Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...

by Zeke on Sep 28, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very true. I'm pretty down on Hendry these days and I'm not even

dinging him on the speculation he made that move to get Peavy and screwed it up.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on Sep 29, 2009 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

more like

1985 to me. Right after a wonderful 1984, the ’85 team wilted with a slew of injuries, and sub par performances by some vets. The Cardinals came on strong. Difference being that Lou is guiding this group to a better finish.

"It's a funny old world. Man's lucky if he gets out of it alive." W.C. Fields

by KedzieKid on Sep 28, 2009 9:10 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

1985 is another good comp.

I had forgotten about that year — justifiably so. But your analysis is correct.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Sep 28, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't in Chicago anymore in 1985 but I do remember 1970

2009 vaguely feels the same but memories can be tricky at times.

You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein

by eths on Sep 28, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It sure has been fun watching the games this week.

Earlier this year there were times when if they were down by one run it felt like the game was all but over. Yesterday, even though they were down by 4 runs and down to their last strike it actually felt like it was possible for them to come back and win. Even though they didn’t, it sure is fun to watch them play with some life like this. It’s a shame there are so few games left.

"Fasten those seatbelts"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Sep 28, 2009 9:12 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Al

Do you remember who they then flipped Pepitone to Atlanta for? A very useful Andre Thornton (the Jake Fox of his day?)

Numbers may not lie, but they don’t tell the whole truth (and nothing but the truth), either. -- Doug Glanville

by leothelip on Sep 28, 2009 9:14 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thornton was more than Jake Fox.

He wasn’t that great at 1B, but he drew a ton of walks and wound up having some good years at Cleveland as a DH.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Sep 28, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Over 250 career HR’s. Most as DH though. If I remember right, injuries were part of his problem with the Cubs.

His 1975 line was .293 / .428 / .516 but only 120 games.

by rlpete on Sep 28, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thornton led the Cubs in walks in 1975 with 88...

… if he’d played in more games, he could have come close to the league lead. He was 9th in the league.

The 1975 Cubs set the club record for walks with 650. That team could have contended if it had any pitching; they were 4th in the league in runs scored with 712, in a lower-offense era.

This year’s Cubs have 569 walks with seven games to go, will probably wind up with about 590. Last year’s team had 636.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Sep 28, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unlike SWL, I do repeat myself at times...

The Cubs have reached the “Du hast keine Chance, aber nutze sie!” stage…

The quote is from the German film Die Atlantikschwimmer (The Atlantic Swimmers) by H. Achternbusch and could be translated as:

You don’t have a chance, so use it

Eamus Catuli

You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein

by eths on Sep 28, 2009 9:18 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't that mean "You have a small chance, so use it"?

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 28, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, messed up there.

Got confused between “Keine” and “Kleine.”

Don’t mind me.

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 28, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gotta love a man who is so great they name a battery after him!

"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)

Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...

by Zeke on Sep 28, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein

by eths on Sep 28, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yesterday, you just have to tip your cap to Matt Cain.

It was a nice experience at AT&T Park, even though the Cubs lost. I had nice seats in the shade along the LF side on the lower level.

I got to meet BCB reader vonde6 (I recognized the name on your jersey when you walked by me outside the ballpark). I was also hoping to meet BCB reader shifafaontheside, but I couldn’t do so (sorry I missed you!).

My record at Cubs games in 2009 is 0 wins, 3 losses. The game in San Diego (Kevin Gregg’s August implosion in SD) still hurts.

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 28, 2009 9:20 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice to meet you VCF

And good to know that the next generation of Cubs fans is on line. Sorry to hear about your record at Cubs games this year — we all have bad years. I was 3-0 before yesterday, but 3-1 is a very good year.

I want to thank you for doggedly arranging to meet me at the Cubs game. I had only planned to go to the Thursday game, but decided to go to the Saturday game after your prompting, and even though you had to change plans, I really enjoyed that Saturday game. Going by myself got me out of my comfort zone, and I talked a lot of baseball with a lot of nice folks on a beautiful day in a beautiful venue. Sunday was another StubHub morning, and a last-minute trip to the ballpark on a beautiful day.

"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill

by vonde6 on Sep 28, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alternative Caption: Who is that wide man?

You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein

by eths on Sep 28, 2009 9:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of captions...

… never heard from lohroffc, who won the third of the caption contests I ran last week. If you (lohroffc) are reading this, email me your address so I can send you the “Chasing October” DVD.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Sep 28, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

a lot of good things ...

have come out of this September. Marmol’s strong stretch as the closer makes me hopeful for next year — and I think it will mean that Hendry doesn’t spend precious money on a closer. I also like what we’ve seen from young relievers — notably Caridad.

I’m a big Jeff Baker fan, and I think having him next year — as a cheaper, might-be DeRosa — is a big plus.

The 2009 team underachieved, partly due to injuries, partly due to a lack of clutch hitting. But I figure we’ll end up with 85 or 86 wins.

And that’s significant. This team did not nosedive to end the year — like in 2004, where the Cubs needed to make major changes to a squad that won 89 games. The team also wasn’t awful, like 2006, where changes were needed to just make the squad competitive again.

If Soriano can come back to even three-quarters of the level he played at in 2007-08, and Geo can recover, we might not even be a player away. Both things are very possible — so I’m encouraged. I stand by that statement even if Hendry can’t get much for Milton, and our outfield is made up of guys currently on the roster.

by elgato on Sep 28, 2009 9:42 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm in favor of giving Baker another chance

Like Reed Johnson was in 2008, he filled in nicely in a role he was thrust into because what we had wasn’t working (Miles/Fontenot). Baker has earned another chance, but I wouldn’t expect him to be the permanent solution to our middle infield issues. It’s still better than sending Aaron Miles and Mike Fontenot out there again. The sooner those two get dumped, the better.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Sep 28, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can see that

But I hope the Cubs don’t sign another second baseman, given Baker’s performance. A shortstop is another matter.

Baker might be the super-utility guy we need, who gets 450 at-bats a year subbing for others.

by elgato on Sep 28, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Cubs do have another second baseman on the roster

They just have him listed as a shortstop (Theriot). I’d be in favor of moving Theriot to second and using Baker as his backup and giving Andres Blanco a job at short.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Sep 28, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sort of what I was thinking ...

though I’d be in favor of getting a shortstop with more of a bat if the finances can be worked out. Any shortstops with bad contracts whom we could get in a Milton deal?

by elgato on Sep 28, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can Blanco hit enough to justify playing short full-time?

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 28, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not by a long shot--today.

Hopefully Winter League can help him and he can compete for that job in March.

by chilango2 on Sep 28, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think even with his career 13.6 UZR/150 at short

he doesn’t quite have enough bat to be better than Theriot

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Sep 28, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I worry that relying on Blanco-Theriot up the middle

puts a lot of pressure on the other 7 players in the lineup to hit.

Yes, Theriot will hit some, but a Theriot-Baker middle infield provides some more pop to the lineup and protects more against a slumping Soriano and/or Soto.

Now, if Blanco can hit a little, then by all means, run him out there.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 28, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think I would ever want Theriot and Blanco together

If you put Blanco at short and forget about his offense then you can’t also play Theriot. There needs to be a real good hitting platoon (or just one hitter) at second to help make up for the complete lack of offense coming from short.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Sep 28, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just don't see Lou not playing Theriot.

So unless Hendry found a way to move him, then Theriot’s likely the starting SS, with Blanco serving as a backup, which seems alright with me given how Blanco has hit thus far.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 28, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with that simply because we don't have the bats to protect Blanco

Theriot is still very mediocre at baseball, and that is only because his bat can get on nice streaks. If we found a real shortstop then I would send Theriot away as fast as possible, Blanco just isn’t that guy.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Sep 28, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Understood.

If Theriot played 2B for the Cubs, I don’t think he’d be nearly as scrutinized as he is.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 28, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

One more thing about yesterday.

Even though the Cubs lost, they ended the road trip with a winning record (1-2 in St. Louis, 2-1 in Milwaukee, 3-1 in San Francisco).

And this is from a Cubs team that has struggled on the road all season.

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 28, 2009 9:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

They finished 37-44 on the road.

Not great, but not horrible, either. They were 10-6 in September road games.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Sep 28, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was hoping for a .500 road trip.

So they well exceeded my expectations – and I greatly appreciate it.

Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.

by dat cubfan daver on Sep 28, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mine, too

I didn’t see them winning more than 1 in SF. Pleasantly surprised.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 28, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OT a bit

Last week there was a post that linked another baseball fan’s site that graphically listed the last 14(?) WS winners in relation to where they ended up at the end of the season compared to the entire league. In short, the team with the best record typically will not win the WS, much less even GET to the WS.

That alone indicates that the playoffs are a crap shoot, and all bets are off once you get there. Some teams limped in and ran the table, others finished strong and continued. Who would have predicted that the team at 35th and Shields would have had the pitching performances they had during their championship run or that the Marlins would win a WS, blow up the team and win it again 6 years later?

Even with the 3 and out from the ’08 Cubs, I would have taken my chances with that same team this year. The Cubs had a few stretches last year when they were pretty impotent, but for the most part, they dominated.

Maybe the issues we had this will will help in that we have some players that weren’t on the opening day roster and will be a key part in the 2010 campaign (Wells, Grabow, Gorzo) and Marmol as our closer from the start,

"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse

by BigJohnAZ on Sep 28, 2009 9:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The 1970 analogy is appropriate.

only us Cub fans could have so many degrees of expressing our disappointment and let downs.

But, how could you characterize the 1970 Jim Hickman (one of my hero’s) as a non-entity? He had 32 HR’s and over a 100 rbi"s? You owe Gentlemen JIm an immediate apology! :)

The main difference between the two teams was offensive power, Williams had a monster year with 42 HR’s, Hickman as noted above, and Santo pitched in 26 HR. The 09 team could only dream of that type of production.

"The Cubs are due in sixty-two." - Ernie Banks

by BatCubFan on Sep 28, 2009 10:00 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Didn't mean to diss Jim Hickman.

But he really wasn’t a center fielder.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Sep 28, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He would have looked real good in CF this year,

sounds like you are making a Jake Fox type argument.

JH – 1970 – 32 HR, 115 RBI, .315 – a definite entity (a big upgrade over Don Young).

"The Cubs are due in sixty-two." - Ernie Banks

by BatCubFan on Sep 28, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As poor a season as we've had

This is still a good baseball team IMO. Soriano and Soto need to be better, you do that and a lot of those offensive problems go away.

I’m interested in finding a centerfield leadoff guy this offseason that can steal some bases, but how many of those are out there?

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Sep 28, 2009 10:05 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You know...

I thought that at points in the season, but I really don’t think so. I thought they were too top heavy on talent at the beginning of the season for such a mature team, and after 155 games, I’m pretty much back at that place.

Lou went into last off-season saying that they needed to get more left-handed and athletic. And I think the team is still pretty much at that place. This was really just a lost season, that in my opinion, didn’t have to be.

by Damen Jackson on Sep 28, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have you seen the irresponsible "journalism" by Sullivan this morning?

Regarding Zambrano and Harden. I won’t link it, but it’s on the Trib’s Web site.
What has happened to these people? It’s as if once the team was sold, they were free to unleash their true feelings towards it. It’s embarrassing.

by chilango2 on Sep 28, 2009 10:41 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd encourage everyone to just stop reading...

the Tribune sports writers, who haven’t had an intelligent, thoughtful piece between them since Slick Willy was in office. Bu yeah, these guys who are basically running players out of town while the season is still in progress just takes it to a new low.

by Damen Jackson on Sep 28, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I second the encouragement.

For what it’s worth, I cancelled my subscription the day Rogers proposed dumping Zambrano.

by chilango2 on Sep 28, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't care for Sullivan, but I don't see the negatives

in these two articles. The Harden stuff matches the content in the Daily Herald, Sun-Times and Trib on Friday and what was reported on 670am as well.

Harden’s a luxury when healthy and while he looks all world in his great starts, his average stats this year were Jason Marquis of 2008. This team has no room for $10M .500 pitchers.

As for the Z article, this was one of Sully’s few articles where I don’t see his slant. It reads as pure Z.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on Sep 28, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I read the right article but....

…I don’t see anything irresponsible. The Z quotes seem pretty normal for Z and an expression from a frustrating season for him. I don’t see the Cubs offering Harden a long-term deal either.

by DudeVf11 on Sep 28, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

↑ And that is why

EVERYONE needs to read Damen’s blog.

by chilango2 on Sep 28, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would be happy to take a look

Damen,
Could you give us your web site info in your SB-Nation profile?

"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill

by vonde6 on Sep 28, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still don't see what is irresponsible.

The article that I read that discusses Harden indicates that he is shut-down for the season, speculating on whether he’ll return next year or be offered more than a one year deal seems to fit within that discussion, at least to me.

Maybe we are reading different articles? The one that I read on Harden is from September 25 and includes a quote on Harden being shut-down:

Harden said it was “kind of a mutual decision.”

And then includes Sullivan’s opinion on whether Harden will return in 2010:

Harden becomes a free agent, and it’s unlikely the Cubs will offer more than a one-year deal. He said he wants to return, and “pitching in Chicago was the best thing to happen to me.”

Here’s the link, but this isn’t really an issue for me, I was just a bit surprised when I read the post about irresponsible reporting, as that characterization seemed somewhat exaggerated to me, but maybe I am reading the wrong articles?

by DudeVf11 on Sep 28, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Listen...

We don’t have to drag this out. Here’s a link to the article that I was referring to:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-28-cubs-giants-chicago-sep28,0,5492694.story

Not to pick on Sullivan, but there has been a TON of ink spilled on articles like this over the last month, from various outlets. Gordon Wittenmyer’s pieces on Milton Bradley are almost bloodsport, and even making some of his peers look on in amazement.

These are pretty strong comments, alot of opinion wrapped up as fact, and in cases, awfully derogatory articles being written, especially for beat writers. And the funniest part is that these two Trib pieces come from Sullivan, who is regarded as the most shut out sports guy in town, and the least likeliest to know what’s happening inside the organization.

by Damen Jackson on Sep 28, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

1970

First year I came on board as a Cub fan. Shame about Callison. If I am not mistaken his eyesight was an issue and had difficulty transitioning to glasses. Amazing at 31 his career started his down turn. Hell 31 now is a really young with 5 or 6 years left.
 Just finish strong, sign Baker, trade Bradley, get Soriano healthy, and get another bat.

by Grockcubs on Sep 28, 2009 11:00 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Scouting

i know it’s been tossed around before, but I am sick of seeing rookie batters and rookie/journeyman hitters own the Cubs. The only conclusion I can think if is lack of preparation/knowledge of these players. I know that the Cubs have a very small front office—I get the impression that lack of competent scouting is a shortfall for this club.

by TC Cubby on Sep 28, 2009 11:02 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I've been running this joke for years:

The greatest oxymoron ever is Cubs scouting. I always fail to get any laughs.

by chilango2 on Sep 28, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha Ha!!

"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill

by vonde6 on Sep 28, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bwahahahahaha

How’s that?

"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray

by Archie on Sep 28, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks vonde and Arche.

I’ll be here all week. Try the chicken but stay away from the veal.

by chilango2 on Sep 28, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you think the Cubs scouting might not be quality

— know this…the Padres, for the last few years…didn’t have an advance scout scoping out the upcoming competition. I was informed of this last year, and didn’t believe it until I saw it in print this summer.

They have since hired somebody to perform this task after the ownership “change.”

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 28, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is really random but

Does anybody know if Carl Crawford can play centerfield?

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Sep 28, 2009 11:13 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He has played 54 major league games there...

… though only 3 since 2005.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Sep 28, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I have to ask...

Is it me, or does Crawford really not run very good routes?

by Damen Jackson on Sep 28, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, it's not you.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Sep 28, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really wish I could know more about Crawford

Ideally the Cubs trading for him solves all Lou’s issues at the top of the order, but it is impossible more or less because we don’t match up with the Rays.

In the dream world where we get him, all he would need to be is an improvement over Fukudome to be worth it.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Sep 28, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unless, of course, the Rays want Bradley!

I can dream, can’t I?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Sep 28, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tampa may be a good environment for him

It’s a football-mad market, and the Rays are pretty much an afterthought in the press.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Sep 28, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rays have a good clubhouse with good leadership.

They might be willing to take a gamble on Bradley as a stopgap until Desmond Jennings is set to dominate as he inevitably will.

by cubsforever on Sep 28, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They would probably want to give the Cubs Pat Burrell's contract.

Burrell is useless to the Cubs, since he’s a DH who can’t play RF. However, maybe Trader Jim can work out some kind of 3-way deal to send Burrell to an AL team (White Sox? Mariners? Tigers?).

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Sep 28, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How would you feel about Jermaine Dye?

I have no idea if the White Sox want to get rid of him, but he might be available if the White Sox decide they want to get younger in the OF.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 28, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was just thinking about that today.

Dye had kind of a down year, but he still outperformed Milton Bradley. I wish the Cubs would have traded for him last offseason, when he might have been available.

Plus, Dye is apparently a real good clubhouse guy. One year deal, though, no more.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Sep 28, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dye has a $12 million mutual option for 2010

with a $1 million buyout.

If the Sox let him go, I could see the Cubs swooping in on that. Good clubhouse guy, gets to keep his family in town and try and have a good year and hit the market again. Worth taking a chance on, probably.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 28, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Jermaine Dye

But the Cubs need a center fielder, not another corner OF.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 28, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unless they stick with Fukudome/Johnson in CF for another year.

With Dye in the lineup, they could do that.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Sep 28, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you trying to kill the CFers?

That’s a lot of ground to cover between Soriano and Dye.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 28, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Need a new type of CF platoon.

Instead of LH/RH, first half and second half of the game platoon.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on Sep 28, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even after that, might need pre and post-ASG

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 28, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The mythical 25th man to be kept in case of extra innings.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on Sep 28, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would agree with that.

I’m just trying to figure out what CF are out there for the Cubs to try and get.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 28, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I assume the Sox will decline that option.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Sep 28, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was wondering about that.

Kenny Williams doesn’t seem to be the sentimental type who keeps his guys around, so if they have a viable replacement, I can see them declining it.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 28, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did he outperform Milton?

WAR: MB- (1.2); Dye- (-.2)
wOBA: MB .345; Dye .344

UZR- MB- (-2.3); Dye- (-18.6)

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Sep 28, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was hoping for someone to post those numbers.

We had this conversation last fall, before [name redacted] was signed. I think the consensus was that Dye would not be all that helpful.

by chilango2 on Sep 28, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm torn

Yes, those numbers indicate that Bradley played better than Dye, overall. However, Dye didn’t alienate a clubhouse, either, which is a positive on his side.

And as we evaluate possible OF replacements for 2010, I think we have to put a statistical comparison to the side in some respects.

Yes, the Cubs will have to replace some of what Bradley brought offensively, but if Soriano and Soto return to form, along with Ramirez playing nearly a full season, that should make up for a large part of Bradley’s 2009 output.

So then the question becomes, would you take a declining Dye (and the return of Soriano, Soto, Ramirez) over Milton Bradley and some of his headaches?

I think I would.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 28, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since Bradley is gone

I choose not Dye. That is a pathetic UZR in right and it’s been bad ever since he got to the Sox. There has to be a better alternative to a guy who can’t field and can’t hit.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Sep 28, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

DUNN

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 28, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I predict Dunn will be this winter's Brian Roberts

He will be the player that repeatedly gets brought up yet there is no chance he is coming to Chicago unless the Cubs want to overpay the Nationals.

by rlpete on Sep 28, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would agree on their being a better fit.

But if the Cubs are looking to unload Bradley, then there is a chance the Cubs will have to take back a flawed player, too.

That said, the Cubs could probably do better than Dye.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 29, 2009 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather have Dye...

… than, say, Jose Guillen, who has his own clubhouse issues.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Sep 29, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed on that.

It all depends on how much “baggage” Hendry is willing to take back to get rid of Bradley.

(Baggage can be anything from a clubhouse presence to a declining player under that umbrella)

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 29, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Carl...

but I’ve seen enough to never want to see him put in center field.

by Damen Jackson on Sep 28, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know what to think anymore

I want to be angry with this team for a disappointing season, but they’re still fighting and not rolling over (like past teams). I just love the Cubs so much damn it.

by Mapmaker on Sep 28, 2009 11:41 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Amen brother...

Especially that last part.

by Damen Jackson on Sep 28, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I agree on almost all counts. I just had a blast going to 3 of the 4 games in SF, so I am already feeling the withdrawal symptoms.

"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill

by vonde6 on Sep 28, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein

by eths on Sep 28, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The exact Horsnby quote

“People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
The playoffs will keep me good till almost November. I won’t be as in to winter ball this year since I am assuming Fuld
will not be going two years in a row ( gonna be busy getting his masters in statistics anyway). Oh well we got Winter Meetings, arbitration etc until SPRING TRAINING.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Sep 28, 2009 3:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Winter ball will be on the MLB Network this year.

A real good fix for us baseball junkies.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Sep 28, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

That makes me happy – I go through some serious withdrawl during the winter. Seems even worse now that I’m in LA because it’s ALWAYS baseball weather.

"This next song... it's about the White Sox. It's called: F*** Em'." - Eddie Vedder

by PacificCub on Sep 28, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My cable provider, Insight Cable, doesn't provide the MLB Network.

nor MLB Extra Innings. No live baseball for me this off season.

by Cubbiegoon on Sep 28, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

MLB.TV on the internet too?

You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein

by eths on Sep 28, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't know about MLB.TV.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Sep 28, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well certainly hope they do...

Maybe we should all write letters to Mr. Bowman of MLB-AM, and plead, beg, grovel etc.

You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein

by eths on Sep 28, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's cool.

Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT

by sue369 on Sep 28, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean I don't have to try remember my HS Spanish

Like I did this year to watch Fuld in Venezuela ? I hope Blanco plays and a few other Cubs so I can have a rooting interest.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Sep 28, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You should hit me...

if you change your mind. I’m thinking very hard about going down for a week.

by Damen Jackson on Sep 28, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To see AFL games?

Fun stuff. It costs $6, sit anywhere you want, usually about 100 people at the game, mostly scouts and girlfriends.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Sep 28, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I've got some pro telephoto...

lenses coming next month. I figured it would be a great place to break them in.

I’ll ping you as it gets closer for more details.

by Damen Jackson on Sep 28, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds good.

At the very least, posting some photos from there would be great for BCB.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Sep 28, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I also like this quote:

“Baseball breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone.” – A. Bartlett Giamatti,

You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein

by eths on Sep 28, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bang the Drum Slowly

Giamatti’s own brief life certainly adds to this weight of those words.

"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill

by vonde6 on Sep 28, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you, Jess

I can picture the Rajah doing exactly that.

BTW, does it bother anybody else when Santo refers to him as “Roger Hornsby”? Particularly because Santo’s first hitting coach with the Cubs was … Rogers Hornsby.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 29, 2009 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

P.S Hornsby also had my favorite quote about another sport

“"I don’t want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it."

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Sep 28, 2009 3:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

"Golf is a good walk spoiled."

 Mark Twain

You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein

by eths on Sep 28, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your worst day on the golf course always beats your best day at work...

"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)

Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...

by Zeke on Sep 28, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unless you work as a golf course groundskeeper.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 28, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why is it the golf course groundkeeper always has the worst looking lawn on the block at home?

"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)

Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...

by Zeke on Sep 28, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you know why they called it "golf"

Because fu** was already taken.

by LT on Sep 28, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

seeing that reminds me of this...

Yes, I can only be talking about Robin Williams’ routine on golf. Funny stuff…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_OmnP527Dw

Warning: Rough language makes this unsuitable for work, little kids and Puritans everywhere…

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Sep 29, 2009 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OMG. I couldn't stop laughing. Priceless.

"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)

Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...

by Zeke on Sep 29, 2009 5:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is also nice - his routine on Soccer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inbhtK80LBc

Same warning applies as above…

You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein

by eths on Sep 29, 2009 6:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have tickets to see him in October. Can't wait.

"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)

Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...

by Zeke on Sep 29, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is it just a conwincidence...

that the Cubs have done well after Yoko…I mean Bradley left? I don’t think so.

by Cubbiegoon on Sep 28, 2009 3:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Probably not, but this isn't the first team, Cub or otherwise, to experience

the dead cat bounce when the pressure’s off.

MB’s dismissal happening with the effective elimination clouds the impact of both.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on Sep 28, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Regarding 1970 Al,

do you recall the at-bat from Joe Pepitone in which the opposing pitcher told him that the uffus pitch was coming. Pepitone said to bring it on. So the next pitch had an arch of about 60 feet . This is where my memory gets a little cloudy. As far as I can remember, Pepitone drilled it down the rightfield line for a double, or hit it over the rightfield wall for a homer. Pepitone got the better of the at-bat though.

by montecarlo on Sep 29, 2009 1:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually...

… I don’t specifically recall that one. Anyone remember this specific game?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Sep 29, 2009 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Weak glimmers of hope still abound.

Will the Colorado lose their last 6 games and can the Cubs win their last 7 ?

{dream mode="on"}

Colorado plays three at home against Milwaukee, which does really not sound like the Rockies being defeated three times, and then they go to L.A., where three (more) loses are a real possibility. So if the Brewers do strange and wondrous things, and amazingly sweeps Colorado…

We may not have much of a chance, but who knows? Who knows?

{dream mode="off"}

Aegroto, dum anima est, spes esse dicitur – Eamus Catuli

You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein

by eths on Sep 29, 2009 4:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think that somebody in Atlanta has their dream mode

Turned on, and the volume set to “11”

"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill

by vonde6 on Sep 29, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Atlanta could be a problem, but after 7 wins, they are due to lose let's say 5 in a row...

You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein

by eths on Sep 29, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about six?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Sep 29, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I envy your dream mode.

Mine only plays dreams of being over 500 now.

"Fasten those seatbelts"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Sep 29, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, damn.

It’s too bad that I couldn’t make it Sunday’s game due to a forgotten schedule conflict. So, my win-loss record sits at 3-0 for the year; not too shabby for my first Cubs game in person in over a decade.

Rickey has spoken. Keep the Athletics in Bump City.

by LeSaboteur on Sep 30, 2009 5:20 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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