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When did you know this season was over?

Last night the playoff chase officially ended for the 2009 Chicago Cubs. For the past two years the season ended abruptly after a loss in the playoffs. This year it felt different, as the Cubs playoff run ended before the playoffs even started and before the season has even ended.

When did you know that the 2009 post-season was not going to include the Cubs?

I was hopeful for many months and I always felt during the first two-thirds of the season that the Cubs were the most talented team, eventually Soriano and Bradley were going to start hitting, and I never really believed the Cardinals were for real.

For me the realization occurred when the Cubs dropped a game vs. the Padres on August 17. Gregg was 1 strike away from a save and gave up a 3-run HR and the Cubs ended up losing 2 of 3 to the hapless Padres. At the same time up the road in Los Angeles the Cards took 2 out of 3 from at the time a very good Dodger team. When the series started we were only 5 games back and when it ended the Cubs were seven games back and the Cubs were heading to Los Angeles and the Cards were heading to their series vs. the bad Padre team.

For me that series on the West Coast  was when the realization hit that the Cubs were not the best team in the division, getting into the playoffs was not going to be just a matter of time and that the 2009 season was one we would likely want to forget. As a Cub fan, I did not totally give up hope, but that was the series for me when I pretty much knew .....the season was over.

When did you know it was over?

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of SB Nation or Al Yellon, managing editor (unless it's a FanPost posted by Al). FanPost opinions are valued expressions of opinion by passionate and knowledgeable baseball fans.

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I held out a little hope until

August 30. They were showing signs of climbing back into the WC race, but couldn’t finish the sweep against a very bad Mets team.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 30, 2009 10:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You thought we could win the division when we were 10 games back?

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Oct 1, 2009 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How do you get that from
They were showing signs of climbing back into the WC race

?

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 1, 2009 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let me put it another way.

From August 3 to August 31 we were tied for first, then dropped to 10.5 back in the division. How could that have possibly helped our wild card chances?

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Oct 1, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It didn't. But that has nothing to do with the WC.

They were something around 5 games back. I didn’t say I had pennant fever, but I still had faint hope.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 1, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough.

I think I’m gonna cheer for the Cardinals. The Phillies already won, I hate the Dodgers, and I don’t like how the Rockies remind me of the Marlins circa 2003.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Oct 1, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yuck.

You’re right. I may have to root for an AL team. Hope the Twins can still pull it off, but if they lose today, it’s over.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Oct 1, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They face Greinke on Sunday, which makes it even less likely.

I really want Ron Gardenhire to win the Coach of the Year. He’s just incredible. I don’t know how he does it.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Oct 1, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A big part of it is the dome.

Look at their home road splits from all the years that they’ve made the playoffs or come close:

Year: Home / Road
2008: 45-33 / 38-43
2006: 54-27 / 42-39
2004: 49-31 / 43-38

Their magic will disappear next year with the new stadium. Hopefully they’ll be able to start spending money to make up for it.

by Wreckard on Oct 1, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, Al, I'm with Dan on this one, too.

But mainly because they’re an NL Central team, and I respect them.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 1, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Respect the Cardinals?

Sure. But root for them? Um, nope.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Oct 1, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

S'alright

There’s always the option of watching something else, too!

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 1, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I gotta go with Al on this one.

The more I learn about the baseball, the more I respect the Cards. They deserve full credit for what they did this season. But I will be lending them zero emotional support. Honestly, I’m not sure I’m going to root for any team in particular. I think I’ll just sit back and enjoy watching how the postseason plays out. Well, on second thought, maybe I’ll get behind the Tigers.

Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.

by dat cubfan daver on Oct 1, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Better than getting in front of Tigers . . .

I won’t root all that hard for anyone, but I’ll be pulling for St. Louis.

Maybe we should root for LA because they are the only team in the NL that has no 2007 or 2008 Cub on it . . .

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 1, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I also will root for the Angels....

… considering all they went through after Nick Adenhart’s tragic death, they have accomplished much this year.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Oct 1, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In addition, they are also a VERY well run organization

I’d have no problem rooting for them from the A.L.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 1, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about that celebration?

Very Very classy, I was very proud of them!

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Oct 1, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kind of Ironic though...

Pouring beer and champagne onto a jersey of a respected teammate that was killed by a drunk driver.

The sun will shine in '69

by gaclaudy on Oct 1, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never thought of it that away!

I still liked the show of respect by the entire team!

I would sleep with Blou if it meant the Cubs would win a WS. by Doggie Stalker on Aug 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT

by cubsluver22 on Oct 1, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When Ramirez went down and posted

that Hendry had to do something dramatic, I got dissed good, but the Cubs remained a .500 team throughout.

It was over in Milwaukee.

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Oct 5, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably the Red Sox for me

Can’t to the Yankees or Cardinals either….

"I won't be like A-Rod" - Z, 3/17/09

by Ihatethecards on Oct 1, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I root for the Cardinals for three reasons:

1 – They are one of the most well-constructed teams year in and year out. I don’t know how they do it. Dave Duncan and Tony La Russa amaze me, even if I do not like TLR very much.

2 – They have the greatest baseball player on the planet manning first base.

3 – They are in the NL, and the NL Central at that.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Oct 1, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I too will be rooting for the Cardinals.

Mainly for your reason #3. I totally understand people not rooting for them though.

"Fasten those seatbelts"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Oct 1, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

me too...

Out of all those teams I dislike the Cards the least…did I say that right?….I’m hoping they take it…..

by cooliogirl47 on Oct 1, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would sooner gargle with battery acid

than root for the Cardinals. I can’t believe what I’m seeing here.

Actually, no one in the NL really trips my trigger. The Angels are appealing. It would be amusing to see the Tigers beat the Yankees, but I’m also to the point where I’m kinda rooting for the Yankees to go back to slapping around the Red Sox.

Angels-Phillies. I could live with seeing Pedro go one more time and the Angels are a class act.

Which means it will probably be Yankees-Cardinals.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Oct 1, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Oct 1, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+ a sideways 8

As solid a team as they are (unreasonable to say otherwise), I’d rather slam my fingers in a door repeatedly than root for the Cards.

I don't care how long you've been around, you'll never see it all.

by Dou on Oct 1, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL, me too

I’m from Springfield, IL. A town where Cards fans outnumber Cubs or White Sox fans 2 to 1. Cuck the Fardinals!

I respect the organization, but I hate the team. I can’t root for them. I probably won’t root for anyone, maybe the Rockies, but definitely not the Red Sox, Yankees, Cardinals, or Dodgers.

As for dtpollitt comments. Reason 1 has a lot to do with Reason 2, as long as Albert’s batting 3rd, the Cardinals will always be in competition, even with mediocre talent around him. Having Carpenter and Wainwright help a lot as well

by magicblue on Oct 1, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Springfield, MO Here

Lifelong Cubs fan, but I too will be cheering for our AA boys to do well in the playoffs. There are a very few Cubs fans down here. Most I know maintain a friendly rivalry with our predominately Cardinal neighbors. This city gets excited when the Cards do well. If they make it all the way to the WS, I will be inside Hammons Field to watch them on the big screen.

by cub in louies nest on Oct 2, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Preach it, sir.

I’d rather be enslaved by Romulans than root for those petaQs.

And if it’s Yankees-Cardinals, hope for a well-timed meteor.

by owllover711 on Oct 1, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've said this before

and I’ll say it again, without intent to offend anybody.

But, to quote Sam Kinison, I’d rather star in a gay porno film than cheer for the Cardinals.

That is all.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 1, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope, wouldn't be prudent!

I just can’t root for the Cardinals. Respect them, yes, but can’t ever root for them. Maybe if they were playing a team from Altair 4 (ie, aliens from another planet), but then only maybe.

As for the Rockies, living here in Denver, I’m just unenthused. I drive by Coors Field a lot on the way home from work, and all through this pennant race, the stadium has thousands of fans disguised as empty seats. This has always been, and will always be, a Broncos town. But, now that they are in the playoffs, I have to put up with all these “fans” who probably don’t know Troy Tulowitski from Joe Sakic. Today, when they clinched against the Brewers (there’s a team that went out with lots of class, LOL), almost the entire upper deck was empty.

I suppose part of me is jealous of a team that has few stars (though they have talent), a lousy fan base, crappy ownership (everyone here hates the Monforts), and yet, they are in the playoffs and we’re not.

WTF!

IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!

by Cubfansince1957 on Oct 1, 2009 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cubs had a chance to take the division two weeks ago

The week before the Cardinals series was an opening. With the Cards losses, if the Cubs had won their games Wednesday and Thursday of that week, and then swept the Cards, we would have been 1.5 games out in the Central.

It doesn’t matter now, but to act like we didn’t have a shot is just false. Cubs just didn’t walk through the door St. Louis opened.

Chicagoan in the Lou.

by Mike Martin on Oct 4, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Cards series was sweepable

Those two STL victories were walkoffs, by one run each.

Good point, MM.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 4, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When BLou told me

That or when the Cardinals stomped the Dodgers at Busch. I knew they were just having one of those years.

I didn’t think Holliday made them more talented than us, I still don’t think that. If you play this season 100 times I think the Cubs still win the division 90 of them. Mostly because Carpenter is injured in 50 of those seasons.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Sep 30, 2009 11:02 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

This.

To eliminate exclusion, we cut out the differences to feel like we belong.

by heine41 on Oct 1, 2009 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thirded.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Oct 1, 2009 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen

You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein

by eths on Oct 1, 2009 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

can't add to all of that

See the Cubs 2010 schedule at http://cubsbythenumbers.com/sched2010.html
Also see what old Cubs Scorecards looked like at http://cubsbythenumbers.com/scorecards.html

by kaseyi on Oct 1, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But -- you have to be realistic.

I am optimistic as I possibly can, but it was glaringly obvious to me that this wasn’t a championship team for most of the season, even for the times the Cubs were in first. But the night of August 17, @ Petco Park — sealed the deal for me when Kyle Blanks’ 9th inning HR landed about 30 feet from me in the LF stands.

Just a miserable closer, on a miserable night.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 1, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Realistic? We're CUBS fans for God's sake!

What’s REALISM got to do with it?

"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)

Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...

by Zeke on Oct 1, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I was realistic...

I wouldn’t be a fan of this team. As it is, I am and no..I may not be realistic. Like I said below…I may always be wearing my rose colored glasses, but I don’t ever give up on the team until they are officially eliminated.

See the Cubs 2010 schedule at http://cubsbythenumbers.com/sched2010.html
Also see what old Cubs Scorecards looked like at http://cubsbythenumbers.com/scorecards.html

by kaseyi on Oct 1, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ho-hum.

I’m not knocking you, but I think that’s crap. Anybody that honestly thought this team was even in the same LEAGUE as last year’s team was lying to themselves. We haven’t been within 5 games of the division for over 6 weeks (August 15). Six weeks! The Twins can’t even pull a 2 game lead back to par, but we still have a chance when we are 6-7-8-9-10 games back? It’s been a circus and side-show from Day 1.

I’ve always been confused by the mystique (or perhaps “pride” is a more appropriate term) that some Cubs fans have with their loyalty to “never giving up” until it is truly over. This team was crap all year. If we made the playoffs it would have been even more of a SNAFU than the Dodgers in 2008 or the Diamondbacks in 2007. I pride myself on being a very loyal and passionate Cubs fan, don’t get me wrong, but I find it silly to pretend like this team has a chance when they clearly do not.

Dan

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Oct 1, 2009 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well...

I guess you and me are different kind of Cub fans. I have always been the Optimisticone…maybe drinking too many blue kool-aides and wearing my rose colored glasses, but I always think they have a chance. Yes, it might be difficult, but until it’s over, there is a chance. I have in all my over 50 years have gone into every season thinking that they will will it all. Yes, I have set myself up for disapointment year after year (after year after year), but that does not mean that I ever gave up on the team. I was looking for my post-season ticket invoice from the season ticket office as late as last week thinking it might still happen. I still believe that no matter what kind of regular season you have, you always have a chance in the post-season. I don’t automatically assume, as you obviously did, that it they got in it would be a disaster. TO me, the post-season is a whole new season and the energy created by getting there – even by the skin of your teeth – would carry the team.

You say you don’t understand how people stand by their team, even when it looks bad…I say I can’t understand someone saying they are a fan of a team and then when the going gets bad they say oh well…see you later.

Kasey

See the Cubs 2010 schedule at http://cubsbythenumbers.com/sched2010.html
Also see what old Cubs Scorecards looked like at http://cubsbythenumbers.com/scorecards.html

by kaseyi on Oct 1, 2009 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein

by eths on Oct 1, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm on Dan's side on this one

Even though I think he’s reaching a bit in our WC discussion above.

He didn’t say “Oh, well . . . see you later.” Nor did I, even though I knew they were out of it. Hell, I went to my car yesterday to get the radio for game 1 at work, even though it was meaningless.

But he’s right – to look at the standings and, for example, see your team 10 games out with 11 to play and think, “I hope game 1 of the NLDS is at night, because I have to work” or other thoughts like that is silly. I don’t think that makes me (or Dan) any less of a fan.

Put it another way — a Green Bay native and Packer season ticket holder sits 20 feet from me at work. I overheard him yesterday tell someone that he’ll be rooting for GB, but he expects Minnesota to win on Monday. I don’t think that makes him less of a fan, either.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 1, 2009 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"I hope game 1 of the NLDS is at night, because I have to work"

I don’t think any of us who were holding out faint hope were thinking that — only that maybe the Cubs would pull off an unprecedented miracle. It was 99.99999% unlikely. But until that gets to 100% percent, why give up?

It didn’t happen, but it did make following the Cubs — and the other teams involved — a bit more interesting for a few days.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Oct 1, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, kasey was looking for his invoice

Maybe this is another semantics issue. I didn’t think the chances were 0%, but I also wasn’t willing to die a thousand deaths by getting my hopes up each and every day – especially in the last week.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 1, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the bigger issue

I don’t think that makes me less of a fan than someone who did.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 1, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, it doesn't.

Each of us approaches this sort of thing in his/her own way. I don’t think anyone has the right to criticize anyone else for their position on this.

It would have been interesting had the Cubs pulled off the miracle without sending out playoff invoices early. They’d have had to do a lot of scrambling to get tickets out.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Oct 1, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I suspect they had a plan in place to implement quickly

Unless the people making the baseball decisions were handling it . . . they don’t make plans!

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 1, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don't have to take personal offense to me disagreeing.

I didn’t “automatically assume” something, and I never mentioned giving up when we were 11.5 games back. I resent the fact that I’m considered less of a fan because I’m looking at the actual odds of us coming back from such a deficit and realizing that it would be a once-in-a-generation type of streak. The question posed in this post was “When did you know this season was over?” Being 11.5 games back in very late August is a pretty good sign that we are not going to win the division. Like I said earlier, if the Twins can’t overcome a 2 game gap, how can we overcome a 11.5 one?

Let me try to put it another way:

What difference does it make to you if you’re still “believing” that we can win (or make the playoffs) when the mathematical odds are of the slimmest of margins (i.e. <2%)?

Dan

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Oct 1, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just saying...

we are different kind of fans. Take that any way you want.

Kasey

See the Cubs 2010 schedule at http://cubsbythenumbers.com/sched2010.html
Also see what old Cubs Scorecards looked like at http://cubsbythenumbers.com/scorecards.html

by kaseyi on Oct 1, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You & I don't often agree.

But you summed up this one perfectly.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Oct 1, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

All three of us agreeing

really is something. Well done, Wreck.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 1, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meh.

We entered the season with Micah Hoffpauir the favorite to be our best bench player / spell Lee, signed Milton to a horrible contract based off a huge anomaly of a season in 2008, entered with Fontenot an everyday player, signed Gregg as a closer, etc.

I’ll stand by my statement from many months ago, the 2008 team was a rare storm of superior years (if not career) from just about every role player. We did nothing, NOTHING I say, to improve upon the 2008 team. What acquisitions did we do to improve? I say not one. I did not expect the 2009 team to be anywhere nearly as good as 2008’s.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Oct 1, 2009 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We improved by not bringing back the 2008 team.

You admit yourself in that post that the 2008 team couldn’t have repeated its success. Obviously Hendry knew this as well, so he made the moves he could to improve the team. The ownership situation was an unforeseeable and unfortunate factor that capped his budget for zero growth, which severely limited his ability to make acquisitions without moving pieces around.

But even if he had brought back the entire 2008 team as is (which was a financial impossibility) they’d have a closer worse than Gregg, a center fielder worse than Fukudome, and still have the same problems with poor play at catcher, second base, and left field, as well as a weaker bench.

So look, you can keep perpetuating this myth that Hendry somehow blew up a great team that was bound for success in 2009 but I just don’t buy it. And while I don’t agree with all of the moves he made this off season, I also don’t blame him for the shitstorm of bad luck that was the 2009 season.

by Wreckard on Oct 2, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think he ever said that the 08 was so great

He actually said that they were lucky, and Hendry needed to improve on it.

by vivaelpujols on Oct 10, 2009 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly Dan

You can have no idea how good a team ever is simply by looking at how they have played so far. Statistically, the Cubs going into 09 we’re about as good as they were in 08. When they had played poorly in 09, that should only slightly lower our estimates as for how good the team actually is. Unless of course you want to give a lot of weight to the intangibles argument, then they were much worse.

I would say, with the current Cubs roster, they are a 90 win team (of course that will change once Harden and Bradley are off the team)/

by vivaelpujols on Oct 10, 2009 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But they won 83 games.

That makes them an 83-win team.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Oct 10, 2009 6:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

I better not go any further. :)

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Oct 10, 2009 7:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And for the record:

We won’t win any division this year, no matter which we were in. Even the AL Central would have us 2nd or 3rd. To say a “normal” year confuses me; every team deals with injuries, every year.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Oct 1, 2009 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I'm confused by that, too.

82 wins to date – rather pedestrian.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 2, 2009 6:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now these are just silly projections.

No one knows how we would have done in another division (but we wouldn’t have won it with the Ws we have in the NL Central). We have 82 wins right now. Let’s say we win one of our last two. That’s 83 wins. How many division titles would that yield us in:

2009: 0
2008: 0
2007: 0
2006: 1 (tied in NL Central)
2005: 1 (NL West)
2004: 0
2003: 0
2002: 0
2001: 0
2000: 0

I think it is silly to believe we could make it through a season without injuries. And like I said, I’m not sure what a “normal” year is, but the crap this team produced in 2009 wouldn’t cut it. Not in 2009, not in the 10 years before.

Dan

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Oct 2, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To clarify:

That’s the number of division titles in ANY division we would have won with 83 victories, AL or NL.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Oct 2, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure why you're getting hung up on that.

Wins don’t happen in a vacuum. If you put a mediocre team in a worse division they would win more games than they would in, say, the AL East.

I typed a lot of things. If that one sentence is bothering you so much, let me make this edit:

This team was so good that they faced all of that and still would could have won the division in a normal less competitive year.

by Wreckard on Oct 2, 2009 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we've had some good discussion here.

I think we can both agree the 2009 club underachieved. I simply think we did nothing over the 2008 club to improve; but (if I’m understanding you correctly) you believe the results are attributed to some bad luck, injuries, and bad years. Good discussion, Wreckard.

Dan

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Oct 3, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well put - I'll throw in a Rec, too.

The only line I might quibble with is the one about winning the division in a normal year. I think this team would have been much more competitive in a normal year, but I don’t think it would have been a guaranteed winner.

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by dat cubfan daver on Oct 2, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

any way to make this post even greener

Great post

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Oct 2, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sometime in August

The series where we were spanked and swept by the Phillies. I knew we were dead, because we had a chance to show we could hold up against a playoff opponent, and we got massacred.

by Mulhollandmania on Sep 30, 2009 11:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

When we signed Milton Bradley

No, not really, probably around mid-August I had a good inkling.

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by DTJchris on Sep 30, 2009 11:33 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I agree with the Milton statement.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Oct 1, 2009 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When Gregg blew back to back saves against Florida

I realized that Lou wouldn’t budge and he was going to stick with him, granted Marmol was nothing to write home about. This team was inconsistent the entire season. Can you think very many hot streaks that they ran off which included teams other than Was and Pitt?

by TuscaniLove on Sep 30, 2009 11:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah....

i agree. that florida series was a killer. after the last few seasons of investing so much into the team and each game and getting disappointed in the playoffs i took a few steps back hoping not to get hurt again. and after that florida series, i definitely threw the towel in.

by TJ3117 on Oct 1, 2009 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doubt,

reared its ugly head after Florida for me too….but I’m not surprised that I didnt loose all hope till last night.

by cooliogirl47 on Oct 1, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this season was over

when we added Gregg to our 40 man roster.
Plus Miles, the guy is obviously being paid by the Cardinals still.

Kevin Gregg is the Mother F'n Anti-christ!

by VegasCubFan on Oct 2, 2009 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I refused to give up hope till last night.

Seriously. Why give up before the chance is gone?

Granted, it was a guarded, wan hope, but it was hope nonetheless.

by owllover711 on Oct 1, 2009 12:01 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep. See above.

"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)

Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...

by Zeke on Oct 1, 2009 6:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you have to admit

the Cards exploded once Holliday showed up while we limped around and totally stunk it up in the SD & LA swing. Stunk is a kind word.

Kevin Gregg is the Mother F'n Anti-christ!

by VegasCubFan on Oct 2, 2009 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that's true.

He’s done well there. But I don’t think his signing was an instant season-ender. On Twitter, St. Louis Dispathc beat writer Joe Strauss has taken to calling the Cardinals offense a “python offense,” because it feeds all at once and then goes days without eating. I’d give their starting pitching the most credit for their success this year.

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by dat cubfan daver on Oct 2, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not before the bottom of the 11th inning homerun in Colorado

But to be honest, after not being able to hold onto first place and quickly falling back 7 games back in c. 14 days in August, I did not feel that the chances were very good. The season wasn’t over at that point, but deep inside various protection mechanisms started to prepare themselves. If the Cubs had managed to turn things around in September, I would have been overjoyed, but the way it is, my momentary acute disappointment is not that great. This time around, the disappointment was not a quick sharp blow, but a long, slow, low level tooth ache.

It wasn’t over before all mathematical chances were exhausted, and as long as it’s not over, one must hope. At the same time one must temper ones hope with a dose of realism.

Eamus Catuli

You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein

by eths on Oct 1, 2009 2:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Me too.

Same exact series. I actually gave my coworkers the time of death the next day.

"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray

by Archie on Oct 6, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me

Mid August but honestly I had a horrible feeling when Aramis got hurt. We were already having trouble scoring.

Thank you to all who have offered prayers when I made mention. My nephew Nathan Allan Cubtoseriesby100 was born on Thursday and at his size starts on the O line fot the Bears; 9 lbs 10 ounces and 22 inches!

by cubstoseriesby100 on Oct 1, 2009 6:36 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My god that was May 10th.

Game 31. Give me a break.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Oct 1, 2009 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

Paying a lot of attention this year was he.

"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray

by Archie on Oct 6, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

She.

Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.

by dat cubfan daver on Oct 7, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

August 9th

through the 27th. Cubs go 5-12 and 4 of the wins came against the Mets, Washington and the Padres.
 I don’t know about being over, however from that point I thought the Rockies were better than the Cubs and catching the Cards was going to be extremely difficult.
 The whole month of August it felt like Lou was sleeping and the Cubs had no juice, no fire. The month felt like it was never going to end, it killed the Cubs chances.

by Grockcubs on Oct 1, 2009 7:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I refused to give up till the other night

I’m taking my Cubs to win the series ticket from Vegas off the office wall even as we speak.

If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.

by carolinacub on Oct 1, 2009 7:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It was May

Aramis Ramirez dove for a ball at third base and caught it. But in the process, he injured his shoulder and dropped the ball. This caused him to miss half the season and removed his bat from the lineup. That was when I first knew it was over, but I was living in denial until August.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Oct 1, 2009 8:10 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

No matter the mathematical garbage, the two turning points of the season were when Ramirez went down and when Dempster went down. The first of which set the tone for the season and the latter established that the second half of the season was headed exactly where the first half had gone. Sure, both incidents are merely milestones but they each may have been loud, booming voices exclaiming, “This isn’t the year”.

Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?

by krummy12 on Oct 1, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL, I forgot Dempster jumping over the railing.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Oct 1, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe that can be the new WGN radio intro!
loud, booming voices exclaiming, "This isn’t the year".

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 1, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I LIKE it!

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 1, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me too

I was 50/50 at that point that the Cubs wouldn’t recover from that and then the weekend in Colorado sealed the deal for me. The following spanking by Philly at Wrigley was the validation.

"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse

by BigJohnAZ on Oct 1, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good question.

During All-star break we were in third and 3.5 out, but we played 18-9 ball during July and honestly thought we could string it together. But then August came, and we went 11-17.

The honest-to-God worst stretch—where I essentially kicked this season to the gutter—was August 3 – 27th. During that stretch we did the following:

Lost 2 / 4 to the Reds
Lost 3 / 4 to the Rox
Swept (3) by the Phils
Took two from the Pirates
Lost 2 / 3 to the Padres
Lost 3 / 4 to the Dodgers
Lost 2 / 3 to the Nationals

That’s 8 – 15 during a three week span. We were tied for the division lead before the Reds series, and we finished with the Nationals 10 games back. That’s when we lost the season.

Dan

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Oct 1, 2009 8:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

For me, it was the loss to the White Sox.

It was early Sept (the 3rd) and it was a makeup game at home. I don’t remember why exactly that was the one for me, I think probably the numbers for the WC were just getting too large to overcome and the team had shown no ability to sustain a win streak.

I think back to last year (2008). The team started winning, and scoring runs in bunches. I decided early on that I was going to make an effort to live and die with each game less and enjoy the season. Playoffs are in Oct., worry about those then. I’m glad I did that, of course that was an easy season to enjoy. This season was disappointing, but I still enjoyed following our team.

Some people say the glass is half empty, some say half full. I say, are you going to drink that?

by BleedsbluinMI on Oct 1, 2009 8:31 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

For me it was, essentially, the West Coast trip in August.

Now I did manage to dredge up some faint Wild Card hopes after that, but I really felt like the Cubs had to hold the line during that trip and, when they went 2 and 5 while the Cardinals were ripping off win after win, I had a pretty strong feeling this season was not going to end well.

In fact, I really see the three key moments in this season as:

1. Aramis’ injury in May. It appeared to throw the team into uncertainty both in terms of who was going to play where and the ability to consistently score runs.

2. The eight-game losing streak later that month. Those games seemed to really undercut the team’s confidence. Then came June, a month in which just about every player (save DLee) put up shockingly low numbers. Granted, they did build it back up again to have a nice July, but I still feel (and this is obviously purely an emotional opinion) that the damage was done.

3. The aforementioned West Coast swing in August. It was put-up-or-shut-up time vs. the Cards and, well, the result is obvious.

On the bright side, as I tried to express in this Fanpost, I think the way this season played out gave us plenty of time to deal with our disappointment and, despite some inevitable sadness, I do maintain some positivity toward this 2009 team. Hanging on to a winning record should count for something in a year so fraught with injuries, bad luck and, well, Milton.

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by dat cubfan daver on Oct 1, 2009 9:41 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I kept having brief glimmers of hope until we were mathematically out,

but if truth be told it was the game they lost on Sept. 17th against the Brewers after losing the night before that did it for me. I was there that day in a fairly empty upper deck with the wind blowing so hard that even though it was a warm, sunny day, I was freezing. It seemed like there were more Brewer fans than Cub fans which made me feel even more isolated. I left with a sinking feeling and tears in my eyes. I need a hug just thinking about it.

"Fasten those seatbelts"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Oct 1, 2009 10:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

here ya go...

You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein

by eths on Oct 1, 2009 10:56 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Reply Fail

The hug is for katie casey

You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein

by eths on Oct 1, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks I needed that

"Fasten those seatbelts"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Oct 1, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believed we were done in mid-August

I hoped we still had life as late as last week.

But I’ve long maintained that it is just as stupid to say, “10 games out with 11 to go! We’ve got a chance!” as it is to say “3 games out on Memorial Day! Season over!”

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Oct 1, 2009 11:12 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You must not go in the game threads, then...

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 1, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, I usually don't...

but I’m starting to think I’m really missing some fine moments in human nature.

by Damen Jackson on Oct 1, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've pretty much given up on them.

Once in a great while I’ll venture in.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 1, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But you do have a chance, it's just very very very slim...

One can hope, but one must not necessarily expect…

And if the unexpected occurs, then you are allowed to be very happy.

You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein

by eths on Oct 1, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My fiancee and I are going to Europe in November.

We booked the trip in April (when travel companies were practically giving trips away) and she wanted to go in October. I just looked at her, rolled my eyes, and said, “Sweetie, get real.” She thought about it for a minute or so (she’s not much of a sports fan), and I eventually had to explain to her why you NEVER, EVER, EVER, schedule a vacation for October. Sigh….after five years together, she’s still learning. I looked up and saw where Game 7 of the WS this year, if necessary, is November 1st. We fly out November 4th. The way the Cubs played the first three weeks after the All-Star break, I thought they had put it together, but by late August, I knew I could have booked that vacation for October and not missed anything.

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Oct 1, 2009 12:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Which parts of Europe?

You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein

by eths on Oct 1, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

France and Germany.

6 nights in Paris, a 1 night stopover in Brussels, and then visiting friends in Germany for 3 days. Try drowning my sorrows over another non-championship season with a little French wine and cheese.

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Oct 2, 2009 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I live in Munich

A week in Paris doesn’t sound too bad, but for wine & cheese I would prefer Italy or Greece. Enjoy your trip.

You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein

by eths on Oct 2, 2009 2:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Road trip...

the first week of September. Drop two of three to the Mets in that situation, and you’re probably not going places.

by Damen Jackson on Oct 1, 2009 2:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

June 16th

at 7:05 pm I will never forget.

Trade Doug Deeds to Washington.

by wild bill on Oct 1, 2009 2:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

When a game with the White Sox was rained out?

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 1, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1 to the original post

I believe I even said “Season Over” in the game thread after Gregg allowed the game-tying double. The worst part of that game was that Gregg actually retired Adrian Gonzalez, the Padres’ best hitter, for the second out in the 9th before imploding.

Sometimes things happen that show you it’s a magical year (the Sandberg game in ‘84, the big comeback by the benchwarmers against Colorado last year). Sometimes the opposite happens (the Cubs losing two games in the same series in Pittsburgh in 1991 despite late inning Dawson grand slams in both), and after this game the season definitely had that "it’s not our year" feeling about it for me.

by Jody Jody Davis on Oct 1, 2009 3:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Does it matter in the end?

I stated my opinion, but we’ll be back next year for our Chicago Cubs.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Oct 1, 2009 4:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

damn right!!

Kevin Gregg is the Mother F'n Anti-christ!

by VegasCubFan on Oct 2, 2009 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen

You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein

by eths on Oct 2, 2009 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rationally ...

… I suspected the season was over in May.

From a comment I made on BCB back in late May, "Bill James …. did an analysis way back in his "Baseball Abstract" days correlating the length of winning and losing streaks to odds of making the playoffs…. If I remember correctly, the tilting point was streaks of 5 games or greater. Things get really rosy or ugly beyond 5 games. Again, if I remember correctly, the odds of making the playoffs with a losing streak of 8 games or longer is in the very low double digits, something like 12-15%. Keep in mind this analysis was done in the pre-Wild Card era. FWIW, didn’t the Dodgers have an 8 losing streak last year before juicing up their lineup with ManRam?

Now I’m not prepared to throw in the towel on the 2009 Cubs. But realistically, very good teams, to say nothing of championship teams, historically have rarely had major extended losing streaks. We’re looking at a really steep climb, not impossible, but very difficult to overcome."

My heart, on the other hand, didn’t give up until it was mathematically impossible.

Sadly, this season, my head knew better than my heart.

Let’s enjoy these last few remaining games, since they are all the October baseball we’re going to get.

Onward to 2010 — GO CUBS GO !!!!

If It Takes Forever ....

by wrigley1 on Oct 1, 2009 4:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

IIRC, the 1989 Cubs lost 8 in a row.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Oct 1, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that losing streak put a chill through me, too.

I wasn’t calling the season at that point, but I was gravely concerned.

Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.

by dat cubfan daver on Oct 2, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, it was like ..

at this point I figured things were gonna go south. I think everyone else in that thread pretty much felt the same way

And the fat lady kinda made some noise .. I’d say.

But here’s a good place for a gratuitous shot of the most beautiful Cub fan you’ll ever see

Mrs. Cubnational .. wearing her 1998 Wild Card Hat.

My poor niece .. what was that you said, honey?

I thought you said THIS was the year!

Poor girl didn’t have a chance. She’ll be Cubbie Blue the rest of her life, probably. I just hope not Cubbie BLUE that long, if you get my drift ..

Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we will go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..

coda

ELO, 1975

by cubnational on Oct 1, 2009 6:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Opening Day

Because Blou said so. Ok I admit I held out hope for a miracle till maybe a week or so ago but I think it was the Nats series in August that killed me the most and the Mets right after that ( the series at Wrigley)

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Oct 1, 2009 6:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

THE SERIES IN DETROIT....

Turned my head to the problems that the Cubs had . Then the series with the Phillies and the Nationals put the cement on it . Things have to take a drastic change to put this club at the top again. You can only blame the injuries so much .

by cubs north on Oct 1, 2009 10:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

As happened in so many games this season, the Cubs were in all three of those games until the end.

And had game #1 in the bag until the walk off HR. And led game #3 early with Ted on the mound. Should have won 2 of 3 there. It was painful to watch in person- and I’m a Tigers fan too!

"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)

Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...

by Zeke on Oct 2, 2009 7:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BUT AT LEAST YOU....

Found the place with Anchor Steam ….We had domestic drafts but then hit the Detroit Beer Company ……I still feel the pain…..( My wife reminds me of the heat )……

by cubs north on Oct 3, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True. We did luck out on the beer...

I think that day game was the hottest day of the summer in Michigan. I can’t recall one worse. What a great place to get to spend it! At the ballpark!

"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)

Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...

by Zeke on Oct 4, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Detroit Beer Company

was a real find. About the only good part of those three days. (And I thought my brother-in-law was going to pass out during that day game. From the heat, not from the beer.)

by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 4, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

MOTOR CITY TRIP.....

It wasn’t as bad as you thought was it ?? As long as you stay on the main drags it’s ok . Downtown has come back alot thanks to the Fox, Ford Field, Comerica, ect . Still has to be improved for conventions and the like .

by cubs north on Oct 6, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, except I got the lamest parking ticket I've ever seen.

Parking too close to a cross walk. I was 10 feet from it. City ordinance apparently is 16 feet.

On a game day. Unbelievable.

I haven’t paid it, nor will I. I even took pictures of my van’s proximity to the crosswalk, end of the block and stop sign.

Jerks.

"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)

Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...

by Zeke on Oct 7, 2009 6:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you're supposed to measure 16 feet from your car?

Didn’t know you should be required to keep a measuring device just to be able to park.

If they’re going to enforce a rule like that, they need to put up signs showing where you can park.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Oct 7, 2009 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just imagine the cops running around like a chain gang...

Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.
- The Mock Turtle, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll -

by eths on Oct 7, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Detroit wonders why more non-Detroiters don't frequent establishments in the city.

And no Al, it was not posted anywhere. I’ve never even heard of such an ordinance.

"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)

Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...

by Zeke on Oct 7, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse

by BigJohnAZ on Oct 4, 2009 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+2

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Oct 5, 2009 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To you youngsters out there.

Record-wise, his is one of the best teams in my personal Cub history which began in the mid-60s. More was hoped for so it’s certainly more disappointing than seasons when Lenny Randall was the starting third baseman or Shane Andrews was the starting third baseman or Gary Scott was the starting third baseman but the big mistake of being a Cub fan is in expecting anything. It sure is fun when things go right, but having followed the team for near a half-century, to expect things to go anything but awry, is a sucker’s game.

This is a team that has not produced a consistent position player since Rafael Palmiero in 1988. For almost two decades they have had to pay top dollar to have a decent player at every position on the field. Take a step back and think about that. They’ve had so few above average system generated position players (Walton, Wilkins, Soto being one season exceptions) that it’s a wonder anyone was allowed to keep their jobs for more than three or four years.

Hendry’s overseeing of the minor league system is downright Jerry Krausean (post Jordan) in its lack of positive results.

So when do I count the Cubs out? Always. Luckily, in five out of the forty-five seasons I’ve been a fan, they’ve proven me wrong. Call me a negative fan if you want. For me, it’s a defense mechanism. If I threw my emotions completely into every season, I would have blown my brains out years ago.

by the nth on Oct 1, 2009 11:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My Cubs history starts in the late 60's, so I understand, but I'm not so nihilistic.

You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat. - Albert Einstein

by eths on Oct 2, 2009 2:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ditto

I heard on PTI this week some guy quoted who said that the team you learn to like at age nine is the one you love for life or something like that. If that’s true, I’m the test case. My Cubdiction began in 69, and I’ve always rooted for the Cubs since, but I’ve never gotten so emotionally vested in them as so many people do.

I have a busy life outside the national pastime, a personally fulfilling one, and I don’t suspend it when baseball season rolls around. I think what is hard for many fans is that there isn’t much else they have passion for outside of baseball itself, especially if MLB is all they really center in on. I’m not knocking them, just commenting.

Astute observation, Nth about the Cubs farm system. Boy it really does stink, don’t it. It never fails to amaze me how that really makes the difference. The Braves – and other places – almost always seem to be able to codge together some kind of ungainly combination of veterans and raw, hungry young guys to play well enough to contend, showing the strength of their own farm system. Somehow, we’ve been a little bit above the average the past couple of years of finding enough of that freshman talent to fill in, but not much.

Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we will go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..

coda

ELO, 1975

by cubnational on Oct 2, 2009 6:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had a bad feeling

When we traded Marquis. I know it’s crazy, but he pitches for playoff teams.

No matter what I watched and wanted them to win, but this offseason told me it wasn’t to be.

by ASpecialGuestAppearance on Oct 2, 2009 4:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My feeling was that

Marquis’ streak would come to an inglorious end. So much for that, I guess.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 2, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But I guess I'm even more stunned

you basically gave up hope in the offseason. Now that’s some perspective.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 2, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

WELL I GOTTA SAY,,,,,

Once I heard of the Marquis and Dero deals I wondered " What the hell is going on ." Without the bench from 2008 they were doomed if someone went down . We have been going to the Detroit Beer Co since the weekend it opened . The food has gotten alot better . The beer was always good !!!! gO cUBBIES 2010 …

by cubs north on Oct 4, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think they were doomed either way

Thanks to Soriano, Soto and others not playing up to par. Remember, just about every prediction had the Cubs winning the division and winning it rather easily. If anybody had been worried about those trades, they would have said so.

The food at Detroit Beer Co. was good, but the beer was even better. In general, I found downtown Detroit to be better than advertised. Too bad the Cubs won’t be playing there next season … although that Seattle trip is intriguing.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 4, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

august

when they just fell apart and went from a 1st place tie to 10 games out in a matter of weeks. and all this after ARAMIS RAMIREZ came back. maybe 2 out of 8 posistion players did their job this year.

by NOMAR on Oct 3, 2009 6:36 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I would say

Ramirez, Lee, and maybe Dome produced what could be reasonably expected of them. The rest…not so much.

"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray

by Archie on Oct 6, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ramirez and Lee, sure.

If that’s what we’re expecting from Dome, then he’s being graded on a serious curve, with drastically lowered expectations from 08 to 09.

I mean, he did better than the apocalyptic failure that was the 2nd half of his 2008 season. But he was still way, way below what the Cubs expected when they signed him.

MLBMilestone.com - following the numbers to Cooperstown

by D98 on Oct 9, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only game I went to was at Coors field

we got beat real bad — my heart fell into my stomach and never quite resurfaced (it did flutter a couple of times though).

If the Cubs were an international soccer team they'd be called Scotland.

by mrtobby on Oct 3, 2009 1:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

When Gregg blew those two saves in Florida

I felt the wind fall out of the teams sails, but I wasn’t ready to move to 2010 until late August/ early September when the Cards kept winning and Milton had his huge blowup.

by wennington4 on Oct 3, 2009 7:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

on opening day.....

but just wait ’til next year

by goatstew on Oct 3, 2009 9:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

so you can give up on opening day again?

"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray

by Archie on Oct 6, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You beat me to an addendum of my earlier post!

Yes, today I know the season is over (for the Cubs). I’m still holding out a little hope the Tigers can win tomorrow’s playoff tiebreaker in Minnesota. You never know, but the Twins are playing awfully well. Maybe they’re due for an off day…

"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)

Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...

by Zeke on Oct 5, 2009 6:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It will be very hard for the Tigers to win in the Metrodome.

The Twins are 48-33 at home; the Tigers 35-46 on the road.

The Twins are 7-2 vs. the Tigers in Minnesota this season. Since 9/13 the Twins are 16-4, and at home they are 9-1.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Oct 5, 2009 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

or a bloodbath. Take your pick.

At least the Tigers have the Cabrera mess to take their minds off of the game…

"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)

Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...

by Zeke on Oct 5, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I told my wife that I wouldn't care anymore after a loss this year...

at the end of July right before our wedding. I always get so frustrated at a loss and I basically (I hate to say it) gave up on them and stopped watching by the end of August. I honestly don’t think I watched a game in Sept. And I believe it saved me many years of my life and many gray hairs in the near future.

by renke81 on Oct 5, 2009 11:34 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

OK. NOW, the whole season is "officially", officially over. I was holding out hope for the Tigers.

Now neither the Cubs nor Tigers are alive…

:(

"Pain don't hurt you none" - Sparky Anderson (1987)

Obviously Sparky was never a Cubs fan...

by Zeke on Oct 7, 2009 6:42 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hello from the motor city !!

When Gregg blew that 1-0 lead in SD when the Cubs were 1 strike away from winning the game. It seemed like all the [remaining] air came out of the balloon right there and then.

It’s really time to switch gears now; looking to see the ’Hawks 2-0-1 in less than 12 hours !

Just win the next game...!

by blackhawk24 on Oct 8, 2009 12:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Colorado

When Z couldn’t go in Colorado and Marshall got thumped. I basically gave up hope at that point.

by KyCubsFan on Oct 10, 2009 9:31 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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