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This is up there on the "most despicable things I've seen on a baseball diamond" list. Prince Fielder needs to get dotted about 3 times for this and the Brewers should be heavily fined. Baseball is NOT Football. It is a game of respect, not only for the other team but for the game itself. This is awful.

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Ugly in many ways...

MLB needs to come down on two things…
1.) Excessive celebration like that. Jump around, bang on the guy’s helmet, but none of the choreographed bs.
2.) Untucking the jersey. Geez, he looked like he was running around in a mumu or a smock.

To paraphrase a line from Major League, nice celebration Brewers, don’t ever f-in do it again.

I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"

by Ross on Sep 7, 2009 9:45 AM CDT reply actions  

Calm down

Baseball need some exuberance, if for nothing else, to bring back the young fans. I thought it was hilarious, its baseball, not a country club.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Sep 7, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

The brewers

have been untucking their shirts for awhile now. This apparently came from Prince Fielder. His Dad would come home from work and untuck his shirt so they incorporated this into their winning routine. I think it’s dumb but to each their own. I am fan of the celebration. Not too excessive but celebrate and have fun. Look at the NBA and their game time antics. Touchdown dances, and etc. Funny to watch. Have some fun.

when asked about his performance against the Reds - Lieber said the following
"Well obviously I made some bad pitches today, left to many over the plate and they got good wood on the ball. The only good thing was that I was able to get back into the clubhouse earlier then I planned so I could eat."

by 1060 W Addison on Sep 8, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Something about...

After a hard days work, you just want to untuck your shirt and unwind.

Personally, that’s like me taking my pants off right before I walk out the door. I don’t think Cameron’s dad did that while he was still on the clock. I’m still expected to look like a professional and I’m not getting paid millions of dollars like these guys are.

I bleed blue... and red, but that's not my fault. I didn't get to choose that one.

by BabeRuthPose on Sep 9, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually

the untucking almost all occurs off the clock. A better analogy would be loosening your tie as you leave the office. Prince went beyond that though. I wonder if it has to do with all the whining about it.

by ol Pete on Sep 12, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought so too.

The only thing I wondered was if it was really choreographed or just the concussion from big ‘ol Prince landing on the plate that knocked them all over (I kid)…. Ever since he tipped his hat to Reed when he robbed the grand slam, I’ve thouht the guy was okay. A bit much, sure, worth fining over, not so much. It’s late in the season and they’re not going anywhere anyway.

by Fonzie2178 on Sep 7, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

rec'd

100% correct

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Sep 7, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

The jump bump is almost ignored.

This is something else, completely.

And’d I’d bet the responses here are probably split by age. Youger fans are used to excessive celebrations in all sports. Sports is now show business and entertainment.

It was just, sports…when I was growing up and such displays were considered unprofessional. Don Drysdale and Bob Gibson would then sit somebody on their ass the next time at bat. The offending player would then say nothing, and get back in the box.

Now, of course, you throw inside and all hell breaks loose.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 7, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't see anything really wrong with it

but I wouldn’t see anything wrong with a 96 MPH heater right at him in his first AB tomorrow either. Can’t complain about getting plunked if you are going to do that kind of stuff…

"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray

by Archie on Sep 9, 2009 7:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

The appropriate response to beaning him like that would be to do the same, hopefully to the pitcher and so forth and so on.

by ol Pete on Sep 12, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nope

First of all, Archie never advocated hitting someone in the head – which is what beaning is. Second, the Brewers should really not be surprised that they get hit as often as they do, when 30% of the league vocalizes that they think some of the antics are bush league.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 13, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seriously?

Their job is to hit a ball a long ways and to field it. How can you really take that so seriously? This is a GAME. It is to be ENTERTAINING! That’s why millions of people pay to come to the ball park. If I want professionalism I’ll go to a teleconference meeting in downtown Chicago.

This in NO WAY took away from the game because the game was already over. However, if I start seeing cartwheels after a routine grounder that is different.

The fans enjoyed it and the players looked like they enjoyed it too. If the Giants are truly offended then they can do whatever they wish to retaliate and that’s just the risk you take when you do things like this.

by gizmo6d9 on Sep 9, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

The jump-bump in no way compares to Fielder's debacle...

I guess you could say that whole “everybody get in a line and high five your teammates” thing is totally choreographed after a win also. So let’s compare that to Fielder’s, too.

Milwaukee does the jump bump, the untuck, and now they do a Bob Fosse routine after game winning homers that keep them just 14 games out of first. Yep, they’re a classy bunch.

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

by carmen_fanzone on Sep 7, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Disagree.

There’s a big difference between three guys “jumping and bumping” momentarily in the outfield and an entire baseball team staging a premeditated, theatrical celebration like this. Big difference.

Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.

by daver on Sep 9, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

You cant be serious

the jump bump is totally different than this, plus the cubs arent the only one to do this. this was choreagraphed like a fuckin T.O. touchdown celebration. Not to mention the fact that the Brewers HAVE AN EVEN WORSE RECORD THAN THE CUBS!!! Win some fucking games be in the running for the NL Central or at least the Wild Card and this might be a different story. Baseball isn’t football its our national pastime and should be treated as such. I thinks everyone who thinks this is ok should consult Bob Brenly and get some perspective from a true baseball man.

"That ball left a vapor trail" - Pat Hughes on Derrek Lee's 27th homer of 2009

by JMG1984 on Sep 10, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

so if the Yankees did this, it'd be ok?

If you’re going to go all McEnroe on us, that’s fine, but I don’t think winning should be part of your argument. If something is classless (and I’m not convinced this one was, but obviously you are), then it’s classless regardless of who’s doing it.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Sep 10, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed.

I suppose it might be worse if the Yankees put on a display like this, because doing so would make them appear even more cocky and arrogant. But the bottom line is it’s immensely disrespectful to the losing team who, in this case, was a guest in Milwaukee’s home park. (Oh, and I might add – a better team than them anyway.)

Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.

by daver on Sep 11, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

The old disrespect card. I’d love to hear an actual argument to support the notion that it disrespected them.

by ol Pete on Sep 12, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just wondering

What would your response be had the situation been reversed?

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 13, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

See Ron Wotus' comment below.

The actual argument is relatively simple: The dogpiles at the end of walkoffs have indeed become commonplace throughout major league baseball. But to elevate (or should I say “deteriorate”) that relatively harmless display to this level of theatricality implies an almost team-wide, premeditated effort to show up the opposing team.

And, again, I’m NOT referring to Prince Fielder’s jersey untucking here. I couldn’t care less about that. I’m talking about what happened at home plate. I trust if the Cubs do something like this to the Brewers this week, you won’t be so understanding.

Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.

by daver on Sep 14, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's not going to answer.

I scared him off from this part of the thread with my question, because there’s no way to answer it “snarkily” without coming across as unveiled snarkiness.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 14, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep.

Kinda reminds me of earlier this season when ol pete was ripping on Milton Bradley for blowing up at a home plate ump and then, lo and behold, Mike Cameron does the same thing and, quite suddenly, all goes quiet.

Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.

by daver on Sep 15, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Indeed.

IIRC, I was the one that asked him about that. Maybe I’m his nemesis? Could be . . . we have the same name. Minus the “Ol’” part, that is.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 15, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

amen

watching the video I was upset that he untucked his shirt – I went to a catholic high school and hated it then when people would untuck their shirts during school – but reading some of the posts here I realized I need to calm down – it is a game after all. Yes baseball has the richest history of every sport but we will be doomed to the waste bucket of history if we dont take some notes from the NBA and the NFL and loosen up.
Our memories have a distinct way of forgetting the stuff we want to forget. I love the coreographed celebration it is something that I would think of if I were in their shoes – makes them seem more human to me.

I saw you in that coffee shop, breaking the fifth commandment. Congress passes these things for a reason, Lois.

by hansman1982 on Sep 13, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pretty funny stuff

I’m not sure how celebrating a dramatic win takes away from the game. And my god un-tucking a shirt deserves a fine?!?

The only possible way I would find this even remotely offensive is if it happened on a visitors field. But they are in Milwaukee. The Brewers have been generating increased interest in their ball club, their postseason hopes are dimmer than ours – have some fun, celebrate with the fans, enjoy the game you just won!

"There are no curses here...Games are won and lost on the baseball field" - Lou Piniella

by El Borto on Sep 7, 2009 11:27 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

I agree.

The only way you could actually do that is with a walk off game winning homerun, which can only happen on your home field. at that point the game is over and who cares. no different that piling on. now if it was while the game was still in contention, than thats a diffefent story.

by imacubman on Sep 7, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

exactly

its a kids game, have fun, and keep the fans enjoying the game so that the Brewers can continue to attract players and avoid being Pittsburgh

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Sep 7, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess I'm old school. (or, just old)

I’d throw the flag for excessive celebration. Keep your damn clothes on.

Willie Mays, Mickey Mantle, Roger Maris, Billy Williams, Ernie Banks didn’t pull this crap. Ron Santo was villified for clicking his heels.

Apparently, times change. So does respect for the game.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 7, 2009 11:58 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Well the old school has a lot of bad eggs that didn't respect the game

spiking other players and doctoring/greasing the ball are old school habits that aren’t missed and they showed no respect for the game or the opponent.

"There are no curses here...Games are won and lost on the baseball field" - Lou Piniella

by El Borto on Sep 7, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

by carmen_fanzone on Sep 7, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

KUDOS!

"That ball left a vapor trail" - Pat Hughes on Derrek Lee's 27th homer of 2009

by JMG1984 on Sep 10, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Meh

It was a game winner. I’d have an issue if it was during the game.

by jerry morales rules on Sep 7, 2009 12:06 PM CDT reply actions  

And keep off my lawn, too!

"Any old kind of a run wins it!"--Jack Brickhouse

by mattvegas on Sep 7, 2009 1:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Only celebration I can't stand

Is Valverde when he celebrates at an away game picking up a save when his team is under .500. He’s done it at Wrigley many times. If you do it in your own ball park that’s fine, but not at the friendly confines.

by ak123 on Sep 7, 2009 2:02 PM CDT reply actions  

its called silent dignity

people who swing at the first pitch should get punched in the face

by jesus christos on Sep 7, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

that guy drives me nuts, requesting a new ball after every pitch, taking FOR FUCKING EVER to pitch the ball and than rubbing it in everyones faces when he closes. its a good thing hes a closer cuz if he was a starter and pulled that shit he would get beaned.

"That ball left a vapor trail" - Pat Hughes on Derrek Lee's 27th homer of 2009

by JMG1984 on Sep 10, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

THAT WAS AWESOME!!

I’m recommending this post not because you’re right (because you’re not), but because hopefully once this is a recommended thread so more people will be able to see how f-ing awesome Prince Fielder is and how f-ing awesome this celebration was.

Prince Fielder is an excellent baseball player and seems like a very good person. I have no problem with him, and after this BAMF celebration, I want to hug him.

Dan

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Sep 7, 2009 2:26 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

+0.5

I agree with your sentiment but not your man-crush.

hahah j/k

"It's hard to win 97 games, it's hard to win the division. Our attitude is if you get in every year, you get in most of the time, sooner or later you are going to knock that door down." -- Jim Hendry

by EJThunder on Sep 7, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm a bit indifferent about it...

But I did smile a little when I saw it. I’m just shocked that every single teammate played along and fell down, that’s the cool part I think.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Sep 7, 2009 2:57 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm not so sure they were playing along...

Have you seen how big Prince is?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Sep 7, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Prince Fielder is a great player and (according to most accounts) a nice person.

I don’t care for the Brewers.

I consider Fielder a clean and respectful player.

That said, this is baseball, not soccer. Obvert celebrations are not really part of the game. But if that sort of stuff floats your boat, great. I, for one, would rather not see celebrations like yesterday’s—from the Brewers or the Cubs or the Chinichi Dragons.

by chilango2 on Sep 7, 2009 4:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Prince Fielder is a great player and (according to most accounts) a nice person.

the dodgers would like to disagree

people who swing at the first pitch should get punched in the face

by jesus christos on Sep 10, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder if the consensus...

differs based not on age, but on if you played the game at a competitive level. I play college baseball and this sickens me.

You can sum it up with Ryno’s hall speech:
I was in awe every time I walked on to the field. That’s respect. I was taught you never, ever disrespect your opponent or your team mates or your organization or your manager and never, ever your uniform. Make a great play, act like you’ve done it before, get a big hit, look for the third base coach and get ready to run the bases, hit a home run, put your head down, drop the bat, run around the bases, because the name on the front is a lot more important than the name on the back. That’s respect.
  
on the topic of old players cleating and doctoring balls, thats a completely different topic in general. As a player I tend to see those more as gamesmanship and desire to win.

by northpaw22k on Sep 7, 2009 4:52 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

So...

If older players cheat, it’s gamesmanship. But if the younger generation does it or does things like this, it’s despicable? Strong logic.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Sep 7, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, this is just show-off-ish, childish

“Look At Me! Whee! We’ve had another crappy season!”

If you enjoy narcissism, knock yourself out.

Yep, it’s a — child’s game. But Major League Baseball players are said to be professionals, not little children.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 7, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

narcissism:
excessive or erotic interest in oneself and one’s physical appearance.

I could see an argument for Aram or Pujols. Tying it in with children is just strange.

by ol Pete on Sep 12, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's more to the definition

nar⋅cis⋅sism  

–noun 1. inordinate fascination with oneself; excessive self-love; vanity.
2. Psychoanalysis. erotic gratification derived from admiration of one’s own physical or mental attributes, being a normal condition at the infantile level of personality development.

I think # 1 is what we are dealing with.

(Thanks to dictionary.com)

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 14, 2009 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gamesmanship...

…is when your desire to win and passion leads to playing the game a little too hard (ie cleating someone) or attempting to get an advantage (ie doctoring a baseball). Its outrageous and I dont want to see anyone cleating someone or doctoring a baseball but the motive lies in passion. In this realm we can all see why even a younger generation person would do steroids for instance. However, I think that the reasons for steroid use in most players isn’t because they want to win, but because they want the dollars or even just a job.

The celebration made a mockery of a game that deserves respect. Not to the fans but within the Clubhouse and on the field, the game is semi-sacred. Sure it is “just a game” but baseball, more than any other sport, carries with it a mystique that begs reverence.

by northpaw22k on Sep 8, 2009 1:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

The game itself...

Is not the “sacred” game it once was, let’s say 1960’s and prior. Once you have exploding score boards, fire works between home runs, cheerleaders dancing on top of the dugouts in between innings, shooting t-shirts into the stands, etc., the game is geared towards entertainment.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Sep 8, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not to mention Bernie Brewer on the slide...

"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill

by vonde6 on Sep 8, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

And, the earlier post “get off my lawn” is good, I use that phrase all the time. But if you like narcisstic ballplayers, enjoy the stupid celebration. if you like to see ballplayers undressing on the field, knock yourself out.

I prefer Ryno’s concept of the game. But, I’m 117 years old. What the hell do I know?

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 7, 2009 5:15 PM CDT reply actions  

There's another way to look at it

If your opponent wins on a walk-off and shows no emotion, it’s almost like saying “It’s not a big deal to beat you.” This celebration seems to recognize that this victory was an achievement. It’s kind of like when we didn’t get too giddy after beating the Nationals… not that we didn’t want the win, but just that, well, beating the Nationals doesn’t make you a great team. It’s like beating a 3rd-grader at chess.

by ChipSet on Sep 7, 2009 6:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Theres a difference...

…between being excited about a win and having a choreographed celebration that shows up another team that held you to one run through 11 innings. Respect isn’t about being excited to beat someone, its about beating someone but knowing that the other team played a hell of a game too. deserves praise, and on any other day the tables may have turned.

in other words, be excited for your team while still having the respect to not show up the other team

by northpaw22k on Sep 8, 2009 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I’m guessing the Giants didn’t appreciate it.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Sep 8, 2009 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

The other team was off the field or on their way off the field

Baseball players celebrate every walk off win now and they do it in a way that a few years ago was unimaginable. It’s part of baseball and it’s going to continue to develop. Times change. You have three options: bitch about it, ignore it or embrace it. I think you chose option a, which is going to end up with you unnecessarily frustrated.

by Holtzmaniac on Sep 10, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

So, would you want him on the Cubs?

I am old school. I played ball hardnosed. That was excessive. I think we’d feel a lot different if that was done at Wrigley against the Cubs. And the sentiment would be don’t let him ever be a Cub. Which, is a lot of the sentiment anyway. Fielder is moody, throws teammates under the bus, sometimes throws them around the dugout, and has the range of a postage stamp at first base. I don’t like it.
If he is willing to do that, he needs to be willing to take one in the back side the next at bat. Instead, if he gets hit we’ll see Fielder fake a charge so he can be held back, or maybe even charge. His display at Dodger Stadium makes me think he’s the kind of guy that just wants to act like he’s tough.

by Nibbles on Sep 7, 2009 8:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Why is Prince the only one...

Facing scrutiny here? The video clearly shows 20+ of his teammates participating and falling down during the choreographed celebration.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Sep 8, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

All of the above.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Sep 9, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right.

It was a total team effort.

Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.

by daver on Sep 9, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

This.

What, you think he came up with the idea himself and then forced 20+ grown men to fall down and participate?

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Sep 9, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

The veterans, oddly enough

Living near San Francisco, this story was all the rage a week back. The Giants were not thrilled at all. According to either Krukow or Kuiper (can’t remember which one was discussing it on the radio), they looked into it a bit and discovered that Craig Counsell was the choreographer of the stunt.

It seemed very odd that a veteran would invent and support such a bush league play.

by SiValleyCubFan on Sep 15, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow, Craig Counsell?!

I would never have guess that either. It’s always the quiet ones.

Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.

by daver on Sep 15, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, he is from the northern suburbs of Milwaukee

I keed. Kind of.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 15, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Surprised...

I would have thought big eyed Braun came up with it, with his arrogant a@#…

by byrdi68 on Sep 18, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I actually thought that was kinda funny

Poking fun at his own girth.

The sun will shine in '69

by gaclaudy on Sep 7, 2009 8:53 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I used to hate Prince

But the more I see of him this season the more I like him. He clearly gets it on the field and off. He’s become a great player and I give him credit for having fun playing a game despite his team being way out of contention.

I still hate Braun though.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Sep 7, 2009 9:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Not as much as I do.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Sep 7, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with the poster on this one

I actually don’t mind Prince Fielder (it’s bug eyes that i can’t stand), but that spectacle was downright obnoxious. FWIW, I don’t see the point in celebrating that much when you’re nowhere near a playoff spot. Just sayin’.

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on Sep 7, 2009 10:49 PM CDT reply actions  

I hear you...

1. It is obnoxious and 2. Where are they going at the end of the season? Not the playofffs.
Love the bug eye remark, can’t stand that Braun either…

by byrdi68 on Sep 18, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Act like you've been there before - and get off my lawn.

The whole thing was just unnecessary. Celebrate the fact that you hit the home run by running around the bases with pride. Get to home plate and enjoy the adulation of your fans and the congratulations of your teammates. But don’t overdo it.

In the NFL, when celebrations like this were the rarity rather than the norm, they were entertaining (see the Redskins’ Funbunch. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLiKbVV288k) Then everyone tried to one-up everyone else and it just got out of hand. It became less about the game and more about the celebration.

I agree with the thought that this is a generational thing. They younger people are used to it, and that is fine. I, at 39, think it is not necessary, especially in baseball.

I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"

by Ross on Sep 8, 2009 10:50 AM CDT reply actions  

How did this even happen?

“Hey guy, we’re about 15 games back and our season is cooked. Rather than dwell on that fact, I have an idea about how to celebrate if I hit a walk-off anytime in the last 2 months of season. Here’s the plan…”

I don’t mind Fielder at all and I’ve never really been an opposing team “hater” but I thought this was California Penal League crap. And I’m relatively young compared to most posters on this board. Garbage. He deserves to get plunked.

Milton Bradley: My New Favorite Cub

by Kansas25 on Sep 8, 2009 12:49 PM CDT reply actions  

"You better think about the consequences of your actions..."

And with that simple quote from the Blues Brothers movie, Aretha Franklin has imparted upon us a pearl of wisdom that applies to just about any situation in life, and especially here.

Now I doubt Prince Fielder thought about the possible consequences when he choreographed and then executed his little celebration. That’s fine – I really didn’t expect him to. His job is to hit the long ball, and if he wants to celebrate when he does, that’s fine by me.

Of course, it’s also fine by me if he gets plunked but good the next time he faces the Giants. And if he’s the ball player I think he is, he’ll understand why he got plunked and just trot to first base. If he can live with the plunking, i.e. the consequences, I can live with the celebration, i.e. his actions.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Sep 8, 2009 1:20 PM CDT reply actions  

My thoughts exactly.

A 96MPH heater in the ribs is the proper response to that celebration.

"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray

by Archie on Sep 9, 2009 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

and appropriately

a 96 mph heater to the ribs of Sandoval

by ol Pete on Sep 12, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow.

You feel that strongly about it that you posted this many times?

Well, at least you can take satisfaction in knowing someone read it.

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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 13, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why is Prince the only one...

Facing scrutiny here? The video clearly shows 20+ of his teammates participating and falling down during the choreographed celebration.

If any one of them thought it was tasteless, classless, and over the top, then they wouldn’t have fallen down and participated while laughing it up.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Sep 8, 2009 1:39 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm not surprised

I mean with the whole untucking of the shirts thing – now this. The Brewers are a team so eager to find an identity they will resort to bush league measures to get attention. I could really care less about this though, to me it just further confirms their “little brother” to all status.

"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"

by StevenABQ on Sep 8, 2009 2:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Kinda reflective of the city of Milwaukee, no?

:)

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by Archie on Sep 9, 2009 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Awful?

No.

Put him on his ass the next time those teams match up, and be done with it.

by Damen Jackson on Sep 8, 2009 2:30 PM CDT reply actions  

No not that

If he fell on his ass all of Miller park would fall on their backs.

"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"

by StevenABQ on Sep 9, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

That was hilarious

Enjoy a big moment. I’ve got no problems with it.

by Arbusto on Sep 8, 2009 7:02 PM CDT reply actions  

The best part is that Dave Bush was obviously not in on the plan

He is standing around looking like an idiot long after the rest of team hits the dirt. I like the celebration

by murphymj on Sep 8, 2009 10:06 PM CDT reply actions  

As it turns out,

Ken Macha was not awake of this either, and he was a little surprised.

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-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 9, 2009 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good for him.

Quote from the article:

Manager Ken Macha, definitely an old-schooler, was not thrilled with the display, however.

“I was shocked, standing there,” said Macha, who was not aware a celebration had been choreographed for such a moment.

“But this is 2009, when a guy gets to home plate, points up and beats his chest (after a homer). I don’t even watch when another team has a walk-off homer. I head up the runway. Why stop and watch? Some people take that as disrespect.”

That’s exactly what it is. Celebrate? Sure. Teams waiting for the walkoff HR guy at the plate, jumping up and down, celebrating — that’s expected, everyone does it, players are happy, fans are happy. I don’t have a problem with that.

But the choreographed thing the Brewers did? Ridiculous. They’re making a lot of enemies with their antics.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Sep 9, 2009 6:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Note the newspaper there.

The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, the largest newspaper in Milwaukee (which I read on a regular basis). I keep waiting for someone there to say that what the Brewers did was over the top.

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-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 9, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're misreading the article

and being hypocritical too. The waiting for the walkoff is a planned celebration. Not long ago it was considered hugely disrespectful. Marmol’s strutting around or Rami’s strut or Sori’s varieties of silliness or Z’s charging around or pointing into space are probably irritating to some people. I doubt anyone considers them “enemies.” But then the Brewers are your enemy for the simple reason that they actually win games versus the Cubs once in a while. Maybe its just that people talk about them or that they might do better than the Cubs in the future years.

by ol Pete on Sep 12, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

So the Cardinals hate the Brewers because the Brewers sometimes beat the Cubs?

Logic fail.

You hate the Cubs because they have a bigger fan base and play in a bigger city. You take out that frustration by coming here and posting nonsense and/or parsing words, and then disappearing when presented with facts that counterdict your arguments.

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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 13, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Torii Hunter thought it was garbage

Is he a Cub fan, too?

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 13, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

But, again, it's not the dogpile at home plate that constitutes the offense.

Yes, those have become commonplace in baseball and, presumably, are no longer considered an insult. PREMEDITATING a choreographed stunt like this that involves so many players is way, way beyond what’s considered acceptable behavior and, therefore, blatantly disrespectful to the opposing team.

Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.

by daver on Sep 14, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

I consider myself fairly liberal when it comes to these things...

…but I found the Brewers celebration really, really disrespectful to the Giants. Fielder’s shirt untucking is one thing, but for most of the team to get together and choreograph something like this is simply ridiculous. But, y’know, this is partly why the Brewers have never really been able to have any sustained sucess throughout a season in recent years – just a complete and utter lack of maturity. And, hey, that’s fine with me.

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by daver on Sep 9, 2009 9:29 AM CDT reply actions  

If I'm Merkin Valdez

and I ever strike out Prince Fielder in the future, I’m untucking my shirt right then and there and hopping around the mound like an idiot.

See how he likes that.

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by Goodie1969 on Sep 9, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I bet he’d laugh and high 5 him later.

by ol Pete on Sep 12, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm guessing not

since he already tried to charge into the Dodgers clubhouse this year after he believed a former teammate disrespected him and beaned him. He shouldn’t dish it out if he can’t take it.

Learn this line, and use it often- "Yes dear, you're right, I'm sorry" -Bob Brenly

by SotoRiot on Sep 17, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's what Giants bench coach Ron Wotus had to say about the incident:
Did you see that celebration? You would like to think professionals would have a lot more respect for the game and their opponents. That was choreographed.

From this SFGate article. Again, the key word there is “choreographed.” It’s one thing to have some spontaneous fun on the baseball diamond; it’s quite another to premeditate a display like this that shows up the opposing team. The Brewers and Giants don’t play again this season, but look for some payback in 2010.

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by daver on Sep 10, 2009 8:50 AM CDT reply actions  

what if it had been Randall Simon?

Daryl Ward?

The game was won .. it was done, it was in their home turf. Big deal.

We play “Go Cubs Go”, wave W flags and the Cubs do the bumpjump .. I just don’t get this hostility toward the Brewers about this.

Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we will go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..

coda

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by cubnational on Sep 11, 2009 9:51 PM CDT reply actions  

The Cubs players don't play the song or wave the flags.

And the bumpjump is in no way comparable to this.

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by daver on Sep 12, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

how? im mystified, Daver .. why is this not comparable?

Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we will go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..

coda

ELO, 1975

by cubnational on Sep 12, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Watch the video of the Brewers again.

Three guys in the outfield quietly jumping and bumping as they run off the field in no way compares to, what, 20 to 25 players putting on a show at homeplate after a walkoff. We’re obviously arguing a matter of degrees here – but I still see a huge difference in any one player (or even two or three players) performing rituals or showing some emotion after a big play and virtually an entire team putting on a show like this.

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by daver on Sep 14, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Ol pete - thanks for chiming in on this topic.

A lot of folks here have suggested that Fielder be plunked in response to his walk-off antics. And your response seems to be “well, then, plunk the plunker”, and the cycle continues.

So a simple question to you: Do you think Prince gets a free pass for his actions? i.e. no retaliation is warranted?

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by ballhawk on Sep 12, 2009 5:17 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't think anything is warranted

I wouldn’t be surprised if a 85 mph breaking ball is thrown at his butt. Ron Wotus, Bob Howry and whoever ought to walk up to him and call him out if they are upset. In the end all sorts of stuff happens that others like Macha say they wish wasn’t in the game. I find fistbumps with Jesus, rituals for ancestors or staring down batters when the pitcher strikes them out far more distasteful. I don’t see them going away and oh well.

by ol Pete on Sep 12, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

For me, it's not just about Prince.

It’s about the fact that so many of his teammates colluded with him to show up the Giants at the end of that game.

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by daver on Sep 14, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

If Prince does it, fine. But when the whole team does it, it reminds me of softball teams celebrations after every out, etc.

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by SotoRiot on Sep 17, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heh

Reminds me of the beginning of Baseketball.

by Kornchex on Sep 13, 2009 11:16 PM CDT reply actions  

You think they would've done it...

…if it wasn’t the last game of the season series?

by northpaw22k on Sep 14, 2009 9:10 AM CDT reply actions  

Good point.

It will be interesting to see what happens in the first SF/Mil game in 2010.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Sep 14, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

If a Brewer gets hit followed by a Giant

I hope the Giant is Renteria!

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

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