Let's at least go down fighting

by Dou on Sep 9, 2009 11:02 AM CDT

By now we’re all probably looking at October with resignation. Another year has gone by without getting to the promised land, made all the more frustrating by the fact that we were all expecting this team to “turn it on” at some juncture – a point in time that has not yet arrived and that many have given up waiting for. To rub some salt in the open wound, our bitter rivals have been scorching hot while we’ve been stuck in neutral. Can you believe that the last time we gained a full game on the Cards was on July 29th? That’s 37 games in a row of either staying put or drifting back (I thought that streak would finally end yesterday but, as soon as they walked Pujols in front of Holliday, the outcome almost seemed obvious – all-time saves leader pitching or not).

All that being said, regardless of how much of a pessimistic (or realistic) Cubs fan you are, it’s hard not to think of how cool it would be if we somehow managed to pull this off. What would need to happen for the miracle to occur? What’s the hottest we’ve ever gone to close out a season? Here are the hottest finishes since 1900 (with 25 games left):

Year	W - L	Outcome
1935	22-3	NL Pennant
1906	20-4-1	NL Pennant
1908	19-4-2	World Series Champs
1938	18-5-2	NL Pennant
1905	18-6-1	Third Place
2003	17-8	Division Champs
(7 other seasons at 17-8)

You have to assume we’ll have a winning record from here on in (we play 18 of our 25 last games against teams that currently have losing records, if I’m not mistaken – plus 3 vs. the Cards and 4 at SF). The question is: how hot would we need to get? Would replicating any of our previous hot finishes get us anywhere? Even going 22-3 (resulting in finishing 22 over), would that be enough? I’m not sure, you can decide, but I’m sure it would make things pretty interesting.

Either way, if we have to go down, let’s at least go down fighting. Let’s make some teams look in their rearview mirror, regardless of whether it slows them down or not. Let’s make ESPN keep showing us in the wild-card standings and have them use words like “suddenly resurgent”. Let’s get that spark that some of us are still waiting for. This team needs to start realizing they’re capable of much more, so that they can come out swinging in 2010. But if they get hot enough, quickly enough… who knows?

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1993 Cubs

I was very proud of the 1993 Cubs. They finished the season going 20-8 to finish at 84-78. Rick Wilkins and Greg Hibbard had career years. Randy Myers had a very good season closing. Sosa had his first big home run year. The team had no Andre Dawson or Greg Maddux. I was elated with 84-78. The Cubs are going to have to go 14-11 down the stretch to match that 84-78 mark. The big difference is that the expectations were so high for the 2009 club. The 1993 team wasn’t supposed to be that good.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Sep 9, 2009 11:53 AM CDT reply actions

Then Himes fired Lefebvre

Although Lefebvre didn’t help by overreacting to the “10 games over” comment.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 9, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions

Could you refresh my memory on that incident?

"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin

by davidalanu on Sep 9, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions

Some time early in the season,

Himes made some comment along the lines of, “I don’t see why we shouldn’t be 10 games over .500 by the All-Star Break”. The media made a bigger deal out of it than it was (I still remember a wide-eyed, blustering Jon Miller on Sunday Night Baseball), and Lefebvre could have chosen to downplay it, but he didn’t. The Cubs’ beat writer for the Trib at the time (Solomon? Reaves?) essentially wrote after the year that JL could have let it go and it woudln’t have been as big of a deal.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 9, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions

It was a stupid statement for Himes to make...

…and further evidence that he had essentially no “people skills”. Yes, Lefebvre would’ve been better off ignoring or downplaying it but, if memory serves, the media didn’t exactly do anyone any favors by playing it like it was an ultimatum that was directly related to Lefebvre’s job security.

Not surprisingly it turned into a big distraction that did much more harm than good.

by bluekoolaide on Sep 9, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions

Yes, the media played it up

National more than local.

Himes was indeed lacking in people skills.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 9, 2009 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions

Himes

was a Jackass. My wife couldn’t stand him and she likes everybody !

by If we only had Hubbs on Sep 10, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions

Frey, Himes, Lynch

For as inept as the Cubs have been over the years, can anyone possibly come up with a worse succession of 3 GM’s in team history?

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 11, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions

Nope.

That was horrendous.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Sep 11, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions

I want to see some players earn some spots for next year

I would really like to see Gorzo make a couple more starts to see if he is worthy of taking Hardens spot in the rotation…

"God watches over drunks and third baseman."- Leo Durocher

by BelieveinBlue2314 on Sep 9, 2009 12:47 PM CDT reply actions

"...taking Harden's spot..."

I’d love to see Gorzellany succeed as well but can’t we have both? Harden was our best pitcher down the stretch last year, and after struggling in the first half this year, he has been our best agin since the ASB. (Or close second to Ted Lilly).

A rotation of: Lilly, Harden, Z, Dempster and either Gorzo or Wells will give us great depth and injury protection.

by Orval Overall on Sep 9, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions

Agreed.

I’d like to see Harden back, too. That’s a nice rotation (with Wells over Gorzelanny, of course).

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by daver on Sep 9, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions

i’d take lilly, harden, z, gorzo, and wells; make Demp a Swingman

"It doesn't matter what country someone's from, or what they look like, or the color of their skin. It doesn't matter what they smell like, or that they spell words slightly differently some would say more correctly. I'm a person. Bret's a person. You're a person. That person over there is a person. And each person deserves to be treated like a person. "

by Rhymenocerous on Sep 9, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions

Muthaflippin' disagree.

I generally don’t like to cite salary, but Ryan Dempster was not signed to be a swingman. And though Da Gorz has generally done pretty well this season, he has in no way pitched himself into the starting rotation over Demp. As of right now, I’m looking to Gorzelanny to possibly become a LOOGY, as that’s how Lou used him the other night.

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by daver on Sep 10, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions

+46

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Sep 10, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions

Agree daver.

Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT

by sue369 on Sep 10, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions

I don't know whether Da Gorz will get any more starts, but you know who will?

Jeff Samardzija. Seriously, here’s what Wittenmyer tweeted yesterday:

Samardzija, last of Sept callups joins team. Lou says he’ll get him a start or two, not sure when.

So we’ve got that to look forward to.

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by daver on Sep 9, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions

I read somewhere...

…that Harden wanted to stay with the Cubs because he was very impressed with the way their training staff worked with him.

It would be crazy for the Cubs to sign him to a large, long term deal but, if he’s willing to cut them a hometown type discount based on the above, I’d definitely like to see him come back.

by bluekoolaide on Sep 9, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions

so you suggest

we dont offer 8 years 138 mil to Harden

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Sep 9, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions

ridiculous

we must offer him at least that

by Rhymenocerous on Sep 9, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions

Mmm, no.

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by daver on Sep 10, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions

Yeah, I think I read that somewhere, too.

And I agree – if they can offer Harden a reasonable deal in arbitration and he accepts – great. If not, draft picks.

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by daver on Sep 10, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions

exactly

and any offer should be incentiven driven, base around $5 or $6 IMO and incentives can make it closer to $10 area

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Sep 10, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions

Since he would get far more if he accepted arbitration

there is ZERO chance he would take that deal. I don’t see him signing a “home team” discount and with relatively
thin FA market for starters he would probably be a fool not to test the waters.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Sep 10, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions

Ah, but remember...

…. today’s economic conditions. I think a lot of players are going to be real surprised at the money offers in this year’s free agent market.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Sep 10, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions

Sorry but Harden is not taking one year at 5-6 million

with or without incentives. Mets, Dodgers, Yankees, Red Sox all likely looking for starters and Harden is going to be
one of the top ones available.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Sep 10, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions

You really didn't read what I wrote, did you?

Economic conditions are going to cause a lot of teams to retrench, INCLUDING the ones you mentioned.

The thousands of empty seats at Citi Field over the weekend are going to be unsold next year, at least at the prices the Mets currently are selling them for.

Do NOT count on the free agent market being as large in dollars as it has in the past. Ask Bobby Abreu about that.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Sep 10, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions

I read it but I think you are dreaming.

Of course the FA market is going to be off but the market for starting pitchers is always at a premium and Harden is probably as good as anyone who will be available. Given his history no one is going to offer him 5/75 but that does not mean he signs for one year and six million and incentives and why should he ?

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Sep 11, 2009 1:44 AM CDT up reply actions

I think you're going to owe me more Big Gulps.

Just watch.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Sep 11, 2009 7:14 AM CDT up reply actions

so much for the comeback that this Fanpost

calls for. I never want to see spellcheck in a Cubs uni again; maybe the Bears will take him

by Rhymenocerous on Sep 9, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions

I wouldn't quite go that far.

Samardzija still has potential of some sort; I’m just not sure what it is. I just don’t think he’s ready to face major league pitching right now – even in a relatively hopeless September.

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by daver on Sep 10, 2009 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions

I dont mind him facing MLB pitching

its the hitters facing him that scared me

:=)

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Sep 10, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions

That too.

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by daver on Sep 10, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions

Hell yeah..

Recced. I think a problem this team has had this years is, contrary to the normal idiom, they’re not seeing the trees for the forest. So much focus on the post-season, they’re not playing each game, not battling each at bat, not waiting for each pitch in the field for a ball to come there way. All of this is “fight”. I think a lot of people would take some steps for forgiving this team if the saw a group of guys playing with urgency for each at bat, not for a World Series. They have the right spirit, but the wrong scale of focus.

by DisCUBbobulated on Sep 9, 2009 1:09 PM CDT reply actions

Well, hey, let's at least finish over .500.

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by daver on Sep 9, 2009 3:01 PM CDT reply actions

I'm coming to terms...

… with most likely watching other teams in the playoffs. That being said, finishing a game over .500 with this team would be terribly depressing.

I’m just hoping to see some life from now until the end of the season. Whether that means 10, 15, 20 games over .500, I don’t know… but it’s probably not finishing a game over .500.

I don't care how long you've been around, you'll never see it all.

by Dou on Sep 9, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions

If it makes you feel better, it can't be 1 unless there's a rainout

Even numbers.

I know, I know – that doesn’t help.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 9, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions

:)

Fair point.

I don't care how long you've been around, you'll never see it all.

by Dou on Sep 9, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions

Meh, I'll take anything over .500 at this point.

Three seasons in a row of winning baseball is something at least.

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by daver on Sep 10, 2009 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions

It would be the first time since 1972.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Sep 10, 2009 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions

Yep, Trey mentioned that to me a few weeks back.

And maybe this is silly to say, but the core of this team is likely to stay the same, and a winning season would at least give them something to perhaps bolster their confidence going into next season.

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by daver on Sep 10, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions

Indeed.

It’s been the Cubs MO to post 1 or 2 winning years, followed by a prolonged stretch of mediocre or worse play.

At least by posting a third straight season above .500, the Cubs would be doing something that most of us have seen only once in our lives (though for me it would be a first).

And as you said, finishing strong may be an impetus to improving in the offseason and focusing on starting 2010 strong, as opposed to waiting to get on a hot streak.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Bill Potter on Sep 10, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions

3 Consecutive 85+ Win Seasons

The Cubs still have to go 14-10 in their remaining 24 games to finish 85-77. The last time the Cubs had 3 straight seasons with at least 85 wins was 1936-1938. The 1939 finished 84-70 with a .545 winning percentage in a 154-game season.

85-77 results in a .525 winning percentage. To be fair to the 1939 team, the last time the Cubs had 3 straight seasons of .525 ball or better was from 1937-1939. 85 wins is a goal for which I would shoot now. The 2007 NL Central champions only won 85 games.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Sep 10, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions

It's all relative...

…and with a relatively weak division (and NL) the last several years, and factoring in the amount of money invested in this club, I wouldn’t take a lot of solace in 3 winning seasons in a row.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Sep 10, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions

It's better than nothing.

Look at the Brewers, Reds or (gasp) Pirates winning records over the last decade or so. Sure it’s treading water, but I’d rather do that than sink completely.

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by daver on Sep 10, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions

I think we all agree

Winning a lot is better than winning a little and winning a little is better than sucking completely.

I just don’t want to resort to measuring ourselves against the past, mostly because (with the exception of some bright spots) it’s pretty bleak. This team should be a powerhouse every year until something fundamentally shifts (division gets stronger, new ownership cuts out funding, etc.). Granted it might not win you a division or wild card spot, ending up 15-20 games over would be a pretty damn good year considering everything this team’s gone through.

But yes, if it comes to it, I would prefer 2 games over than 2 games under.

I don't care how long you've been around, you'll never see it all.

by Dou on Sep 10, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions

Harden is our ace.

I don’t have faith that Zambrano will amount to that 15 wins a season player. Harden definitely has the stuff and he’s gotten stronger and stronger as the season has progressed. If youve noticed hes gotten his velocity back up which is making his changeup even more devastating.

Looking forward, I would think it would be wise to make sure that Harden is in blue pinstripes next season.

"It's hard to win 97 games, it's hard to win the division. Our attitude is if you get in every year, you get in most of the time, sooner or later you are going to knock that door down." -- Jim Hendry

by EJThunder on Sep 9, 2009 4:53 PM CDT reply actions

Depends on the price...

…and years, as he is still a high risk for injury.

It will be interesting to see if Rickett’s will add money to the payroll in 2010. You have to remember, he has debt service to pay (which the trib didn’t) and it has to be around 25-30 mil per year. I wouldn’t bet on much (if any) dough added to the payroll next year.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Sep 9, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions

I don't fully trust Harden

He is pitching really well, in the year he can go FA for a big deal. His whole knock has been lack of durability, and he had one dl stint this year. Also, he hasn’t been able to go deep in games. He’s lucky to go six full innings. I just don’t trust that if he got a 3-4 year deal from the Cubs he wouldn’t spend half of next year on the dl. Offer arbitration, worst case scenario he walks and we get two draft picks. I’d prefer to save the money. Tinker with the roster a little for next year as you can, and save any starting pitching money for Lilly. We have to at some point be able to move up younger guys into the starting rotation. Wells appears to be set, but let Marshall, Shark, Gorz, or maybe an unknown fight it out for Harden’s spot.

by Nibbles on Sep 9, 2009 10:42 PM CDT reply actions

The innings pitched doesn't really bother me that much.

Not when a guy can rack up Ks like Rich . Lou just needs to, ahem, couple Harden with a swingman who can eat up the middle innings when necessary – and Da Gorz and Marshall seem well-suited for that role.

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by daver on Sep 10, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions

Just reviewing this older post and am surprised there's

no TWSS in here.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on Sep 11, 2009 9:21 AM CDT reply actions

Really?

Because I’m much more surprised to not see one for this title.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 11, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions

Much like the Cubs, we just haven't been able to TWSS with RISP this season.

Sad, really.

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by daver on Sep 14, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions

I see the Cubs

winning a lot down the stretch, possibly even getting up to 86-87 wins. But that will still leave them likely about 5 games out of the wild card and 13 or so out in the division.

by Uncle Stanley McGoober on Sep 11, 2009 9:52 AM CDT reply actions

my reasoning is...

the cubs have a real easy schedule besides the cardinals and giants. So, 16-8 from here is likely.

by Uncle Stanley McGoober on Sep 11, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions

My guess is 13-9

Going from what I guessed on Wednesday:
Win 12 of 18 from PGH, CIN, MIL, AZ (now 11 of 17 with Wednesday’s win).
Win 2 of 7 from STL, SF.

Final record would be 84-78. Respectable, but none of us will really be satisfied with the overall body of work.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 11, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions

Whoops. 13-11.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 11, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions

At this point...

…what they do in the last 24 games is really meaningless as a team. The pressure is off, and the evironment they are playing in is completely different.

IMO, the worst thing that can happen is for the Cubs to pull off a bunch of worthless wins down the stretch, and it creates what I would expect from Hendry – “We are real close and we were snake bit with injuries etc. this year”.

I think and hope that Rickett’s is smarter than that.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Sep 11, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions

I have to think Ricketts IS smarter than that

He came from money, but he also made it on his own.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 11, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions

BTW, 13-11 isn't all that great

Especially for a team that was the favorite to win the division.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 11, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions

Agreed.

And, for purely selfish reasons, I’d like to witness as many wins as possible in these closing weeks. They have a wonderful numbing effect.

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by daver on Sep 14, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions

Numbing is right...

…but you can’t let it numb you to what needs to happen to get the organization on the right track.

This is garbage time, and many a team (that are out of it) can string together wins when their is no pressure.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Sep 14, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions

Right, but what's the alternative?

The Cubs throw the rest of the season? I don’t think anything the team does from here on out is going to drastically effect on Hendry approaches the off-season – he probably already has some plans in the works. And a few more weeks of wins will at least help the confidence of the guys who matter – DLee, Aramis, Lilly, Wells, etc.

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by daver on Sep 14, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions

I'm not saying throw...

…games, only that putting a winning streak together at this point means virtually nothing.

Lastly, I sincerely hope Jim (square peg/round hole) Hendry has a little help this year in regards to any “plans” to improve the situation.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Sep 14, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions

Works for me.

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by daver on Sep 11, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions

unless

harden really likes playing for the cubs he will probably go for the big money. pitching help is always sought after even with pitchers with an injury history. harden will have no problem finding a job. i would do a 2 year but no more.

by NOMAR on Sep 12, 2009 7:51 AM CDT reply actions