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Sweep! Cubs Keep Faint Playoff Hopes Alive With 8-5 Win Over Pirates

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SOMEWHERE IN OHIO -- On September 23, 1976, I attended this game at Wrigley Field between the Cubs and Pirates.

Turned around from 2009, the Cubs were bad that year, settling into fifth place (only because the Expos were far worse), and the Pirates were contenders, though they finished second to the Phillies.

The Cubs lost that game 5-4 in 10 innings and the attendance was 2,132, the smallest crowd of that season.

That's what today's 8-5 Cubs win over the Pirates at PNC Park felt like. The announced attendance was 10,899, but in the years since 1976 (in 1993, to be exact) the National League went from announcing the turnstile count to announcing tickets sold. There may have been 10,899 tickets sold for today's game, but there were far fewer than 10,899 people in PNC Park on a nice afternoon when the sun finally broke through in Pittsburgh for the first time since I had arrived late Sunday. There might have been 5,000 people in the park, including a large group that all sat together in the RF corner, one man who sat by himself in the last row of the second-to-last section of the upper deck in left field, and about half of the tiny assemblage was Cubs fans.

What they saw was the Cubs' 9th win in 11 games vs. Pittsburgh this year -- and there are still four games left with the Bucs at Wrigley Field. It was nearly effortless; you'll find out more about the "nearly" below the fold. The Cubs scored in each of the first three innings and Carlos Zambrano threw six solid innings, before apparently having words with Lou upon being removed after going out to warm up for the seventh. Z threw 98 pitches and I could have gone either way on leaving him in, but if you're going to take him out, Lou, take him out, don't make him warm up that way waiting for a pinch-hitter to be announced (Ramon Vazquez) so you could call on your lefty, John Grabow. I can't imagine it makes much difference who faces Vazquez, who is actually hitting better vs. LHP this year -- .308 -- than he is vs. RHP -- .233. Grabow got Vazquez to ground out.

Star-divide

More about the "nearly" -- I, for one, will be very glad when we Cubs fans, and the team, bid farewell to Kevin Gregg. I did predict this coming -- not the HR allowed (13, now leading all NL relievers), but the walks. Gregg issued 37 walks in 68 innings last year with the Marlins, and he's well on his way to matching that this year, with 27 in 64 innings. His lack of control has resulted in many blown saves and he nearly blew this game, issuing a pair of walks and then a three-run homer to our old pal Ronny Cedeno, which was the only time the few Pirates fans who remained until the bottom of the 8th cheered. It wasn't much of a cheer, either.

What it did do was force Lou to go to Carlos Marmol to save the game in the 9th, and credit to Marmol -- since he was officially anointed closer he has posted a 1.93 ERA in nine appearances, has seven saves and no blown saves, and most importantly, he has recovered his control. He's walked six in that time, but three of those were in a lost-cause game against the Nationals on August 26, and I think he's got back to the solid Marmol we knew last year and the second half of 2007. Part of it might have been in his head -- remember that he wasn't happy when Gregg was given the closer job during spring training? Sure, professionals shouldn't let that happen, but it's human nature. Gregg will say farewell when this year is over and the Cubs have their closer for 2010, which will allow them to spend money elsewhere next season.

Micah Hoffpauir, who had a tough go of it most of this year, has made his case in the last two days for a 2010 spot, also. He homered for the second straight day, walked twice and scored three runs. In the absence of Alfonso Soriano, why not platoon Hoffpauir and Jake Fox in LF for a while? Sam Fuld can spell them defensively after the 7th, as he did today. (Fox seems to have gotten into Lou's doghouse for some reason; why he didn't start vs. Zach Duke Tuesday night is a mystery.)

I'm heading back on the road shortly after I write this, having enjoyed the trip and the 4-2 record. I truly do feel sorry for Pirates fans, who have been jacked around for 17 years by three different ownership groups. They do have loyal longtime fans in Pittsburgh who support the team through thin and thin (and that's not a misprint), and with the winners already in town (the Steelers and Penguins), the city would just love to have a baseball winner too. However, right now I'm glad they're just fodder for Cubs victories. After the Bucs used to dispatch the Cubs regularly in the 1970's, they owe us a few.

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What exactly does Fox...

have to do to play when Soriano, Bradley, and A-Ram are all not in the lineup?

Milton Bradley: My New Favorite Cub

by Kansas25 on Sep 9, 2009 6:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good question.

And now, back to the Ohio Turnpike.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Sep 9, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Answer: Kill Aaron Miles

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 9, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

be a lefty

people who swing at the first pitch should get punched in the face

by jesus christos on Sep 9, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stop striking out...

With Fox it is either a home run or a strike out… The strike outs are coming way too often lately. Can’t hit a home run every time up, got to figure out another way to help the team score runs.

by byrdi68 on Sep 9, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What does Miles have to do with Fox?

I never mentioned Miles, what does he have to do with Fox striking out?

by byrdi68 on Sep 13, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least we got a win

I was getting tired of losing. A little win streak is nice, keep it up.

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Sep 9, 2009 6:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

CAPTION: "Who farted?"

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Sep 9, 2009 6:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Apparently Lou and Z weren't fighting.

Per Z’s post-game comments and a Muskat report.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 9, 2009 6:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Caption

Lou – “Dangit guys – stop winning – I need my daytime naps!”
Milton Bradley – “Lou, you take naps either way.”
Lou – “No I don’t.” (Puts on eyeglasses that have the eyes painted on the lenses)

I saw you in that coffee shop, breaking the fifth commandment. Congress passes these things for a reason, Lois.

by hansman1982 on Sep 10, 2009 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't

blame “Z”, sometimes Lou does stuff that makes you scratch your freaking head.
 You know you look at Greggs numbers and really just ordinary, what Hendry saw in him I don’t get. I never wanted him here, I beat the Woody thing to death, oh well.
 I personally think that Hoffpauir days are over here in Chicago, move him, or try to.
 I think our boy Fox is at the entrance of Lou’s doghouse. I don’t get it.
 Good work on the road Al, nice job.

by Grockcubs on Sep 9, 2009 6:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I read your whole comment

But the that last thing I heard was " I beat the woody thing to death."

Chicago
Cubs

We are the better CC.

by Zy Toro Young on Sep 9, 2009 8:16 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

obviously

you I think differently.

by Grockcubs on Sep 9, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gregg,

If I remember correctly he had a few saves against us last year….thus Hendry saw him look good….same thing with Miles….played well vs. Cubs…Hendry saw and Liked….

we have technology available that would allow them to look at information from the other 160 games to see where the truth lies….

by cozmotaylor123 on Sep 9, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's not all he missed!

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Sep 9, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's go back to that "beat the woody thing to death" discussion....

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Sep 9, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's where I'm still stuck

unfortunate image in my head lingers…

by Emelie on Sep 9, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

okay

We do.

Chicago
Cubs

We are the better CC.

by Zy Toro Young on Sep 9, 2009 8:34 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

LOL.

Can’t remember where I sat that day. Didn’t start sitting with the group I now sit with, until 1979.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Sep 10, 2009 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just keep on winning

It will take a miracle but Rockies have 3 big series ahead:
Giants, Cardinals, Dodgers.

You just never know as improbably as it may seem…

by ak123 on Sep 9, 2009 7:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Theory as to why Fox isn't playing anymore:

The Cubs were content to let their highest paid player continue to write his own name on the lineup card while his play got so terrible he started getting booed off the field at his own park. To save face, management allowed him to cop to a phantom knee injury, complete with “trick knee” displays of sporadic limping on the field to help excuse his rapid decline. As the year-long disaster continued the coaches finally made him an offer: sit out the remainder of this lost season and we won’t let your logical replacement get enough playing time to surpass your power numbers in a fraction of the at-bats. This saves Soriano some of the embarrassment of his own liablility and forthcoming vitriol of the fans while he figures out what he’s going to do about his age/steroid/scouting-report related downward spiral. As for his future, my guess is no surgery for the “trick knee” and he comes back with a lighter bat. This won’t be enough as I stand by my assertion from July 1st that he will never hit .270 again and the Cubs will end up eating almost the entire final 4 years of that contract.

by Jerry Mumphrey on Sep 9, 2009 7:34 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Hey! Don't sugar coat it! How do you really feel?

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Sep 9, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think there is some truth to this

There is NO reason that Fox has to watch Scales play LF 5 days in a row. Now that he has a chance to play, Lou won’t do it. BUT he will keep running Kevin FUCKING Gregg out there. How does this make sense? Man, I hope Lou follows Gregg out the door.

by TJ11 on Sep 9, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The profanity, not appreciated.

The sentiment, shared. Gregg is this year’s Howry.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Sep 10, 2009 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did he save Heilman from being this year's Howry?

Or are they both this year’s Howry?

I see two of everything.

"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill

by vonde6 on Sep 10, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

howry heilman and gregg combined to form...

heileggrwy!

people who swing at the first pitch should get punched in the face

by jesus christos on Sep 10, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Muskat has an article up about Fox getting his chance on Friday

No where in there does she mention his lack of playing time on the road trip. She had NOTHING to base anything on. Is she paid by the Cubs? Over the years I have noticed all she does is make excuses for managers and really does not give any useful info.

Now if you need and old players uniform number or song lyrics, she is your girl…..

by TJ11 on Sep 9, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Duh

"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill

by vonde6 on Sep 10, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you nailed it...

…and his whole thing smells.

When Soriano tweaked his legs in both 07 and 08, he was very gimpy and scared to run hard even after he had adequate time to heal. I’ll admit, I haven’t seen a ton of game this year, but he appeared to be hampered this then the last two years.

With Hendry making excuses, Piniella making excuses I guess this is just par for the course to allow Soriano a scape goat to save face.

The accountability needs to start with Hendry, but it never has. The first option is usually to come up with some creative excuse, rather than calling it what it is.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Sep 9, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, after the last game Soriano made an appearance in

we know Dempster uncharacteristically exploded in the dugout after the loss…after pitching relatively well. You don’t think that had anything to do with this whole LF fiasco? I’ve got to think the players realize something smells fishy about it too.

by Jerry Mumphrey on Sep 9, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The bad thing is...

…there is no way any Cubs manager could sit down Soriano. With the years and money he is owed, the front office wants that guy to get every opportunity to save face.

What surprises me a bit, is the media not picking up on this and they have to know what is going on. This is where Hendry being well liked pays off for him, because no one is calling this what it is.

Furthermore, there is nothing that pisses players off more, than one or two guys getting special treatment, but the manager’s hands are tied because of the money invested.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Sep 9, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with this.

I’ve also been wondering if the Cubs are going to play better now that Soriano isn’t playing anymore. Let’s see.

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Sep 9, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you might not be able to

i read that soriano will probably begin playing during the homestand

people who swing at the first pitch should get punched in the face

by jesus christos on Sep 10, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Link?

Everything I saw says the opposite

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 10, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

SMELLS FISHY is FISHY....

I can smell it almost 400 miles north of Wrigley Field ….

by cubs north on Sep 9, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wrong.

I would elaborate but I’m sure its pointless.

Chicago
Cubs

We are the better CC.

by Zy Toro Young on Sep 9, 2009 8:25 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Well

He said age/steriods/scouting report lead to a bad season. He’s not that old. A steady decline is reasonable but he’s had more than that this year. He’s not old enough that age could be the only possible reason for a big dip in numbers. Steriods: He’s looked tha same and put up the same numbers for eight, nine years. Only injuries/games missed has affected that. His acouting report has been the same for years. I don’t know much an injury has affected him this year and neither does anyone else including coaches or management. .

Chicago
Cubs

We are the better CC.

by Zy Toro Young on Sep 9, 2009 8:49 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Im on mobile

It sucks spelling wise. Sorry about that.

Chicago
Cubs

We are the better CC.

by Zy Toro Young on Sep 9, 2009 8:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

My take

Soriano for years has been nothing but a guess hitter. No patience, no discipline, the last 3 years he essentially hits nothing but mistakes. He has also battled injuries to his legs. The league has caught up, Soriano at least to this point has not adjusted, lighter bat, take a pitch once in awhile and who knows maybe view more video.
 Next year is a huge year for Soriano, not only for him but the Cubs.

by Grockcubs on Sep 9, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

AMEN!!!

I knew someone else out here had to be as smart as me. I’ve said all this before; that any contact he makes s incidental, etc. Bravo!

by stuartscottslefteye on Sep 10, 2009 5:48 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

ridiculous.

Soriano is a 7-time allstar, and won the SilverSlugger award four times, three of those times in a row, including when he switched positions and leagues.

"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Sep 10, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is usually a safe assumption

That there are a few out there as smart as you.

Whether that is a good thing depends on the context.

"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill

by vonde6 on Sep 10, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This conjecture ignores 2008

Did you watch any of the games last year? What about the one in Milwaukee, where Soriano handled CC Sabathia quite nicely.

Short attention span, anyone?

"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill

by vonde6 on Sep 10, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A bit too "tin foil hat" to me

The Cubs tell Soriano to sit and they won’t play Fox?

Even if you believe that, at Fox’s pace he needs another 200 AB’s to catch Soriano. He won’t get that many AB’s. I doubt he keeps that pace either.

by rlpete on Sep 9, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, that wasn't the point.

The point was that Fox would surpass Soriano’s power numbers in far fewer AB.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Sep 10, 2009 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's still out there.

Fox sitting to not embarass Soriano, that is.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 10, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Way, way out there

"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill

by vonde6 on Sep 10, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In fact, so way out that these guys can't even see it

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 10, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting theory

This is how it went this season; not defending Hendry having signed Soriano.

April – Soriano good month and Fox tearing it up in the minors
May – Soriano bad month and Ramirez injury leads to Fox getting called up from the minors at the end of the month mainly because Fontenot, Bradley, Soto, etc. in addition to Soriano weren’t producing either.
June – Soriano bad month and Fox good month taking over 3B by mid-month while Ramirez still out.
July – Soriano good month and Fox also has good month still playing some after Ramirez’s return.
August/Sept – Soriano bad month and shutdown after worse than normal defense while Fox has bad month too still playing some 3B.

Good/bad refers to hitting. So you can see that Fox was never somebody who necessarily should have or could have replaced Soriano because Fox was either playing 3B and then, come Aug, was swinging at bad pitches like Soriano was. Really the team needed both players on their game what with Soto, Bradley, etc on the DL or striking out, but there wasn’t an everyday field position for Fox when Ramirez came off the DL.

The knee issue only raises the question of whether they would still be running Soriano out there if the team’s chances for postseason were alive. As it was, they shut Soriano down when postseason wasn’t a practical possibility and the call ups were arriving.

 Both Soriano and Fox hit righthanded pitchers better than left.

by AboutTheCubs on Sep 9, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice analysis

It seems to lend itself to more mundane explanations than a grand conspiracy.

"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill

by vonde6 on Sep 10, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing would surprise me from this organization

This is the same club that scalped their own tickets and is rarely honest when it comes to injuries

by Mapmaker on Sep 10, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another Internet Conspiracy Theory

Let’s file it in this warehouse along with these other 999,999 and back there by the Arc of the Covenant.

"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill

by vonde6 on Sep 10, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Sep 10, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Gregg pitches one more inning,

The Kevin Gregg Sucks Fanclub will call an election to seat a president and a board of trustees.

by chilango2 on Sep 9, 2009 7:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

ill gladly take over the role as president

people who swing at the first pitch should get punched in the face

by jesus christos on Sep 9, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you mean there hasn't been one already???

"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will

by eswan9 on Sep 9, 2009 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting Philosophical Conundrum

Kevin Gregg is pitching to Aaron Miles.

Can they both fail?

"Was you ever punched in the face five hundred times a night? It stings after a while." ~Rocky Balboa

by Goodie1969 on Sep 9, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Easy

Miles hits a homer on a groundball to second.

by WittyUserName on Sep 9, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Miles hits

a homerun, but is declared out for stepping out of the batters box.

by qccub on Sep 9, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gregg/Miles Double Fail

Gregg is pitching with the bases loaded, 1 out, and a 1 run lead. Miles comes to the plate. On a 3-2 count Gregg throws a wild pitch, but Miles swings and misses. The tying run scores, and winning run advances to third, but the catcher gets to the ball just in time to throw to first and get Miles. Gregg forgets to cover home, so the runner on third comes home to score and Gregg loses the game.

by dwag29 on Sep 9, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

SAW GREGG GIVE UP THE

walkoff to the Tigers in June . Lou looked like he saw a Ghost . He just stood in the dugout looking out towards centerfield . The expression on his face was one of shock…..And you all know the rest of the story.

by cubs north on Sep 9, 2009 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had my face in my hands so I missed that...

Friggin’ Reyburn!

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Sep 10, 2009 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What, Lou wasn't asleep?

And I thought that he didn’t care this season.

"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill

by vonde6 on Sep 10, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Miles doesnt fail in that situation

since the Craptown Miles’ still win the game, however, in your scenario the catcher is as much to blame for the winning run since he threw to first.

I saw you in that coffee shop, breaking the fifth commandment. Congress passes these things for a reason, Lois.

by hansman1982 on Sep 10, 2009 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

what if bengie molina was on 3rd

people who swing at the first pitch should get punched in the face

by jesus christos on Sep 10, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've given this some thought

and the best scenario I can imagine in which they both fail on their own, with no help from the failure of others, goes like this:

Tie game, full count on Miles, bases loaded with two outs, and Gregg throws a fifty-six-foot curveball that kicks up dirt in front of the plate. He appears to have failed, but Miles comes out of his shoes swinging and strikes out swinging at ball four. Miles fails, and Gregg appears to have gotten lucky and won.

Gregg only has a moment to savor this small victory, however, because seconds later, the bat which Miles had swung so violently slips from Aaron’s batting gloves and careens wildly toward the mound and strikes Gregg in the head, knocking him unconscious, and sending him to the DL.

I feel like this roughly satisfies the requirements of the exercise but also perfectly encapsulates the 2009 season.

"Was you ever punched in the face five hundred times a night? It stings after a while." ~Rocky Balboa

by Goodie1969 on Sep 10, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Might as well print up ballots

I’d be shocked if he didn’t pitch again.

It never gets to be easy

by chitownhawkeye on Sep 9, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

as long as you bring

delicious Mexican treats I’m there.

by Emelie on Sep 9, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gregg/miles/Heilman

I wonder if Lou and Hendry are getting along…..

its almost a sick joke to send those guys out there….almost a slam on Hendry for having those guys on the team

by cozmotaylor123 on Sep 9, 2009 8:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow - a little biased on the relievers, Al?

27 walks in 64 IP is a shade under 3.8/9 IP. Not great, but nowhere near as bad as he was last year.

If Marmol’s issues actually stem from not being the closer, then he lacks the intestinal fortitude to be a closer at that level, anyway, and he’ll fold like a house of cards once he blows a save or two.

I’m not a Gregg apologist, but that was really slanted.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 9, 2009 8:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I thought that was odd as well.

Gregg’s control hasn’t really been the issue. It’s been the gopher balls.

BTW, first time poster. Go easy!

by Hank493 on Sep 9, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its been

When they both come together.

Chicago
Cubs

We are the better CC.

by Zy Toro Young on Sep 9, 2009 9:02 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

and

Welcome aboard!

Chicago
Cubs

We are the better CC.

by Zy Toro Young on Sep 9, 2009 9:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

When your eyes get dry, it's time to log off for a while . . .

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 9, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And welcome

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 9, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought it was when your fingers cramp up...

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Sep 10, 2009 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When you don't like a guy

It’s easy to find flaws with any performance he has on a mound.

by ak123 on Sep 9, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

nicely done!!

"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg

by gwood on Sep 10, 2009 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

zing

"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill

by vonde6 on Sep 10, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You say Gregg is well on his way to matching his walk total from last year...

He is on pace for 31 walks in 75 innings which is 6 fewer walks and 7 more innings. The homeruns have been the biggest issue by far.

by Corey Patterson on Sep 10, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't say it, Al did.

I disagreed with what Al said in the very comment that you replied to . . . .

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 10, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Point taken.

The HR have been his downfall. But his lack of control isn’t helping matters any.

In any case, we won’t see him here in 2010.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Sep 10, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you sure?

Hendry might give him a multi-year extension with a NTC

by Mapmaker on Sep 10, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now I'm sad

Because that’s not implausible . . .

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 10, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's not been good. No question.

But you gave Carlos Marmol a big, fat free pass in the summary.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 10, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

good point

"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill

by vonde6 on Sep 10, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Corey

You never did understand why the walks were important

"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill

by vonde6 on Sep 10, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow

they win a couple games against the Pirates and they’re back in the hunt, huh? Not even remotely worth talking about. Wake me up when September ends.

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by jameslcrockett on Sep 9, 2009 9:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of which (shamless plug)...

http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2009/9/9/1023249/cubbie-fan-sung-to-the-melody-of

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Sep 10, 2009 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the Rockies are winning

There are no faint hopes. There are no hopes.

If only we could play the Pirates every day…

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Sep 9, 2009 9:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

"Just when I think I'm out...

They pull me back in!"

"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...

by Curtain Jerker on Sep 9, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

TWSS

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Sep 10, 2009 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I looked for you, Al

With so few people in the stands I actually tried. On TV they do show a few empty seat shots to acknowledge they are there, but they do mostly put on a few fans. I figured with so few there I might actually catch a glimpse. Then I stopped to think how sad it is for the city of Pittsburgh and that beautiful looking stadium to have so few people there.
To continue with Fox, I can’t understand why he hasn’t played. I may be conspiratorial by nature, but I do smell something rotten. I don’t know what we have in Fox, but it would be nice for him to get a month of ab’s. If nothing else we see if he can hit and showcase him for an AL team looking for a backup/dh type. His power could make him a nice bargaining chip.
Interesting that Brenly was saying after the Z/Lou dust-up that he was in favor of letting the starter warm up like that assuming he will pitch, even if he’s told a reliever you are coming in when they announce a pitch hitter. Or, it might be I am growing weary of Zambrano. 8 wins so far. Pitch like you get paid Z.

by Nibbles on Sep 9, 2009 10:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

it has nothing to do with conspiracy

and everything to do with his bat.

His line for the past 14 days. 23 PAs, 0 walks, 9 Ks
.174 .174 .391 .565

His line for the past 28 days. 15 PAs, 3 walks, 13 Ks
.234 .280 .426 .706

"I’m not going to allow Al Yellon to flush this thing down the crapper without a fight." (BLOU)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Sep 9, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

His recent cold streak aside, does anyone really think that Scales, Fontenot, Miles, or Hoffpauir are likely to produce as much at the plate as Fox? Lou could have played Fox in LF and either Hoff or Scales in RF. If Lou really wanted to run Scales out there he still could have put him at 3B and Baker at 2B, instead of Baker at 3B and Fontenot at 2B. At the very least he could have had Fox pinch hit instead of Miles!!! Yes, Fontenot had two hits, Hoff had a HR, and even Miles got a hit—-but these are the Pirates we’re talking about. Fox could have been doing as much—or more—and working on his swing for future games in the process.

by cwpettis on Sep 9, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we want to be conspiratorial about it...

If Fox has been figured out, can’t hit curveballs, and has no plate discipline, then maybe the Cubs are not playing him to preserve his still-decent season numbers to keep his trade value from falling off. That way the narrative is that he just didn’t have a place on an NL team, but given at-bats on an AL team he could produce.

Not that, in a rational world, Jake Fox has a whole lot of trade value. But (a) the baseball world isn’t always rational and (b) every extra bit helps.

by aldimond on Sep 9, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your conspiracy theory is a little better

Than the one proposed above, because it does at least present a motive (trade value) that is more believable than avoiding hurting Soriano’s feelings.

It would be more plausible if they actually had any trade nibbles from other clubs that we don’t know about.

"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill

by vonde6 on Sep 10, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A little better, but

If scouts have figured it out to the point that’s all he’s going to see, why would the pitchers know this but not other GM’s?

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 10, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

D'oh!

I feel foolish for straying slightly from my favorite spot, at the skeptics table.

You are right, this presumed strategy could only pay off a teensy, eensy bit, at best.

"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill

by vonde6 on Sep 10, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even that iota is better than the first theory, though

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 10, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not only do the Rockies win with 2 out in the 9th

but the winning run is scored by…. Jason Marquis being used as a pinch runner.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Sep 9, 2009 10:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What's worse...

…is the Cubs are paying half his salary.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Sep 9, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No they aren't

but they are paying Vizcaino’s 5 million salary which is sort of the same thing.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Sep 9, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought...

…the Cubs sent money along with Marquis?

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Sep 9, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No they just took Vizcaino and paid him 5 million and cut him the first week of the season.

It works out to the same thing but it looks better somehow or it is supposed to.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Sep 9, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok...

…it is basically the same thing, because they took a bad contract which in essense, was paying Colorado.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Sep 9, 2009 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well SOMETIMES those "bad" contracts work out

but apparently Vizcaino was a BAD apple and though the Indians picked him picked him up they dumped him too.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Sep 10, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And their bullpen was about the worst in the majors

"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill

by vonde6 on Sep 10, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Playoff hopes?

Come on, give it up. We’re 8 back. It’s September 10th. The season is over.

by kanderber on Sep 10, 2009 7:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What will you say if there's a miracle finish?

Yes, I know it’s extremely unlikely.

But it is not yet impossible. Especially with the next three games against a really bad Reds team.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Sep 10, 2009 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If nothing else

I’d like to just see this team build it’s win/loss record. End with a respectable # of games over .500. Perhaps more than they probably should have.

by ak123 on Sep 10, 2009 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

I’d like exactly the same thing.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Sep 10, 2009 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

momentum

if we can finish strong it could build some confidence for next year. We did overtake the bravos for 3rd in WC, and rockies schedule is tougher than us as well as fish’s schedule. either way, it would be nice to finish season on a strong note and at least show up strong in last series w cards.

by imacubman on Sep 10, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate the fact that the way the Rox game ended last night disappointed me

Even if they lose, it’s still 7.

“Only 7”, I thought . . . “1 less team to catch”, I thought . . . .

Argh.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 10, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is it horrible of me

to want to throw the rest of the season for better draft picks? HA…if the Cubs start to play good then Soriano will go back out there and drag us back down – if not then Lou will play Miles and Gregg at the same time thereby creating a tear in the space-time continuum which would suck us all into a black hole and back in time to game 6 of the 2003 NLCS. Unfortunately since we are stuck in the black hole and cannot escape it we are doomed to watch Moises Alou whine and pout and throw his glove down like a little leauger as Dusty sits and does nothing over and over and over again…each time forgetting what exactly happens in the situation before it happens but somehow knowing after the play is done that the Cubs blow their chances at making it to the World Series.

I saw you in that coffee shop, breaking the fifth commandment. Congress passes these things for a reason, Lois.

by hansman1982 on Sep 10, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Draft picks in MLB aren't the same as other sports, though

And the Astros got better last year when their LF went down . . .

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 10, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you saying that Dusty's brain is the point of singularity?

Zero mass and infinite density?

Come to think of it, that makes sense.

"Was you ever punched in the face five hundred times a night? It stings after a while." ~Rocky Balboa

by Goodie1969 on Sep 10, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no...

i would never support dropping games for a better mid-round first draft pick. If the Cubs wanted 10 ten talent in the draft, they can have it in the 2nd round, even. If you want talent like that through the draft, all you have to do is draft a guy others are passing on. They’re always out there. You just have to pay out the money for him and hope he’s worth it. Simple as that.

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by jameslcrockett on Sep 10, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

correction

*top 10

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by jameslcrockett on Sep 10, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Build a winning tradition.

"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill

by vonde6 on Sep 10, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In my lifetime

I’ve never seen a Cubs team with 3 .500+ seasons. That’s a start.

by ak123 on Sep 10, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i have no rightly idea

When the Cubs show me they have even the faintest possibility of a miracle finish, I’ll let you know then. The team was up against it and couldn’t trounce the Mets and the Nationals… a sweep of the Pirates, even two sweeps of the Pirates would do absolutely nothing for me.

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by jameslcrockett on Sep 10, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

really?

and a .500 season does absolutely nothing for me. Not the way this team has played. After this season is over, I want to forget it happened… much like 2005. I hope nobody looks at this team and sees any kind of tradition that could continue… for so, so many reason. This is absolutely one of the weaker teams mentally I’ve ever followed. So much drama, so little toughness. Sure, the last two teams got trounced in the playoffs by the NL West… but there was greatness on those teams, and they fought. This team is mediocre and punchless… and leaderless. There’s no tradition to build on from 2009.

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by jameslcrockett on Sep 10, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Playoffs?!!?!??!?!?!

You wanna talk about the playoffs?

I saw you in that coffee shop, breaking the fifth commandment. Congress passes these things for a reason, Lois.

by hansman1982 on Sep 10, 2009 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE PLAYOFFS!

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis, vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque, nunc et in saecula saeculorum...

Amen.

by Zeke on Sep 10, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Picture caption

“I just can’t get the stink of this season offa me.”

"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill

by vonde6 on Sep 10, 2009 4:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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