… for the “fame” reason. Clemens won WS as a Yankee, but had better years in Boston — that one’s a tough call.

I agree, if there’s a close call, the player’s wishes should be the tiebreaker, as in Dawson’s case.

… but it was common knowledge that the Expos burned Hawk. By the expos, I mean the front office, the fans, the owners, etc…

Larry Himes burned Andre in Chicago. But the fans never did. I think he wants to have a Cubs hat on in the hall for what the Cubs fans gave him when he came here. Personally, I think that is an awesome way to end this! Hawk’s “Thank you” to Cubs fans!

are they doing it for their own personal reasons, or are they doing it to help Hawk get the cap he wants.

Either retire his number or don’t

Bragging rights.

How about this? If the player and Hall agree on logo choice, then that’s the logo that should go on the cap. If the player and Hall disagree, then let no logo go on the cap.

…the HOF would want Andre to wear an Expos hat. I figured they would view it as something like and historic preference. (Gotta preserve the Expos legacy)

I really hope somebody on that board has a heart and really pushes for Hawk to wear that Cubs hat. It feels right to millions of baseball fans.

but if that is what it takes to get a Cubs hat on Hawk, and he asked the Cubs to help him, I believe you do it as a big thanks to Hawk.

this is one place the Dallas Cowboys are smart, the have a ring of fame instead of retiring numbers so that way they can show due repsect without having to retire the number.

…but it got the control ego-freaks over at the HOF worried that something like that REALLY could happen. Between the rumors of Boggs and Dave Winfield, I think they felt they had to do something before a real issue happens…

Possible but remember we just signed Jaramillo. Maybe as a bench coach. Not a bad idea

…for having Andre Dawson in it. He brings a lot of credability back to this sweet game!

Hawk certainly deservers HOF and hopefully it is as a Cub. But, save for the one great MVP year his Cub years were not so great. He definately didn’t perform on the level of 14, 26, 23, 31, 31, or even 10, as a Cub. For the majority of his prime productive years he was a Cub-killer.

As likable as the Hawk story is, lets not reach for people to honor with the uniform retiring. I remember thinking how lame it was when the Sox reached and retired Baines number.

I don’t think Dawson’s number should be retired for only 6 seasons of service. While #42 is retired for Jackie Robinson, the Cubs haven’t retired #42 for Bruce Sutter. Sutter spent parts of six different seasons with the Cubs. That doesn’t mean Dawson and Sutter didn’t do a lot for the Cubs, but they didn’t do enough to warrant having their uniform numbers retired. I don’t even think the Cubs should retire #17. Mark Grace did more for the Cubs over the course of his career than both Dawson and Sutter.

Dawson’s contributions to the Cubs are the same, regardless of which cap he wears in his HOF plaque. The plaque will list all the teams he played with, so I don’t really get this “…if he enters the Hall as a Cub” statement. He will enter the Hall. He was a Cub.

My wife looked up the hotel rooms. They shoot up from 80 – 270 a night during the HOF ceremony days. We will prolly stay in another town, and just go to Cooperstown the day of…

… then revisit this. We need to wait and see what he looks like by then.

Sosa does not deserve to have his number retired. His steroid use was a disgrace to the game and that honor should not be bestowed on him. Thanks for all you’ve done Sammy. Now scram.

and he’ll be in the HOF as well.

I’d like to see him come back to Wrigley though

…he looked into going to Atlanta. Who know what would have happened there….

I was rereading his biography, and he really thought about going to Japan after the ’86 season. A good friend of his was playing there and was trying to get him to come over. those guys are known for their work ethic. I think Hawk still would have shown them a thing or two about hard work! :O)

because he has been a dumbass throughout the whole steroid process

he said if its not a Yankee hat he would not show up. He also said he wanted them to remove the wait for him at one time so his mother could see him go in before she passed away

I don’t think you can compare Carter to Dawson. Even though Gary won a Championship in NY, he only had 2 good seasons there. Maybe 3. Even though Hawk was hurtin’ in ’89, I think we can say Dawson has 6 good years in Chicago. Big difference…

Maybe, if Dawson had played in a World Series with the Cubs, I would feel different. Dawson played in one NLCS with each club. Dawson did more in Montreal.

…I thought you were talking about Ryne Sandberg.

For crying out loud. Say something positive. Be proud of your team history. Be proud that Andre Dawson won an MVP for the Cubs when they were a last place team. How many fans can say that? Andre Dawson will always be a Cub in my mind even if he is inducted as an Expo.

If you were recently a fan to baseball, you would never know that they used to be the Expos

well player sir

not yet anyways, come back in maybe ten years..

Z and barrett will do karaoke

…but he’ll be perched on Z’s back.

is that a player going into the HOF wearing the cap of a team should have his number retired by that team. Hawk is an interesting case. His Cub years were great, but brief and not usually enough to warrant number retirement. However, if he’s a Cub in the HOF, that alone warrants number retirement. My$.02

Sosa struck out more and got on base less than McGwire even though Sosa had more hits in his career than McGwire. In 1998, it was probably better that McGwire got to 70 because it would have been a strange season to have the league leader in strikeouts to be the league leader in home runs, runs scored and runs batted in.