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Baseball America Top 30 and the Cubs are ranked # 15



Top 5 Rankings.   1. Tampa  2. Texas  3. Cleveland  4. San Francisco 5. Philadelphia.

 

My question is why some people always say they want to be like Oakland, Boston or

the Yankees when it comes to minor league developement or scouting and few people

ever mention the these 5 organizations.

 

Top 30

 

1. Castro                 6. Lee               11. Burke        16. McNutt      21. Raley          26. Chrinos

2. Jackson B           7. Watkins        12. Rhee         17. Colvin       22. Carridad     27. Castillo

3.  Vitters                 8. Carpenter     13. Dolis         18. Barney      23. Fuld            28. Cales

4.  Cashner             9. Flaherty        14. Gaub         19. Antigua      24. Mateo         29. Lake

5.  Jackson J         10. Lemahieu     15. Archer       20. Parker       25. Coleman    30. Adduci

 

Sorry forgot # 31 and honorable mentions.

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I don't think...

… anyone wants to be “like the Yankees or Red Sox” in scouting or farm systems. When it comes to those teams, people are wanting to win the championships those teams have won.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jan 26, 2010 10:09 AM CST reply actions  

Agreed and rec'd

Large market teams are going to have different organizational philosophies than the smaller ones. The farm system is just one piece of a big picture. Obviously the Cubs would love to have the talent in the Tampa farm system, but they’re not going operate like Tampa. They’re going to operate like a big market team, and thus comparisons to teams like NY or Boston continue because they’ve utilized this philosophy successfully. These smaller market teams trade off stars for prospects, which in turn improves their system. With the Cubs payroll, they should rarely be in a position to be trading away stars for prospects in a lost season. They should be doing the opposite.

by shoemile on Jan 26, 2010 4:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Also

Crane Kenney is constantly talking about the Red Sox farm system

by Slamdog on Jan 26, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

The Red Sox, true.

The Yankees, not so much. I think the Yankees have managed to overvalue all of their prospects, which is why people should be wary of dealing for them.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jan 26, 2010 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

This is where I thought they would end up.

A significant improvement from last year I believe.

Not sure why Fuld is on the list.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Jan 26, 2010 10:15 AM CST reply actions  

Because he has less than 130 ABs?

and he is our 23rd best prospect?

Why wouldn’t he be on the list?

by IllinoisCubs on Jan 26, 2010 10:30 AM CST up reply actions  

He spent more than 45 days on the 25 man roster

Before Sept and is thus no longer qualified to be considered a rookie. I was NOT questioning his ability and I would place him higher than 23 on that list.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Jan 26, 2010 10:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Cubs

The depth seems to be really improving here, because there’s arguements for Fuld to be higher ranked and some think Sam’s no more than a 5th outfielder. I think the depth is giving some prognosticators problems ranking because we were ranked 27th last year and not alot of names have changed other than B Jackson, Lemahieu, Raley and McNutt as far as new drafts, thou two of these made the top 10.

by Slamdog on Jan 26, 2010 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

YOU FORGOT # 31????????

NEVER FORGET # 31!!!!!

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Jan 26, 2010 10:16 AM CST reply actions  

Waitaminute.

The Cubs have a player named “McNutt”?! Get that guy up here now, Jimbo!!!

Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.

by daver on Jan 26, 2010 10:38 AM CST reply actions  

I can just see it now.

“McNutt up to bat against Lincecum.

The windup… OOOOH, and down he goes! Looks like Lincecum was looking to bust McNutt high and inside with some heat, and it just got away from him. It doesn’t appear that he got hit in the face, but he’s sure to remember that one!"

by Flatley on Jan 26, 2010 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

in that case you could PH McNutt

and slide him into the 2 hole in the order

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by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 26, 2010 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

The only thing that would make this better...

…is if McNutt has a twin.

Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.

by daver on Jan 26, 2010 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

what if he joined in on the sausage race?

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by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 26, 2010 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

McNutt chasing weiners in Milwaukee

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by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 26, 2010 4:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I think

that is a fair ranking. This could get better depending on the development of some of “A” players. Just think the Giants, if I am not mistaken, was ranked in the lower 3rd for a few years, Now they are in the top 5

by Grockcubs on Jan 26, 2010 11:11 AM CST reply actions  

Giants

2009= 5 2008= 23 2007= 20th.

by Slamdog on Jan 26, 2010 11:23 AM CST reply actions  

No doubt the Cubs still have a way to go in terms of their farm system.

However, I will say that it’s pretty obvious that things are moving in the right direction, and there is a huge difference in the productivity of the farm system compared to 10 years ago, even 5 years ago. The number of homegrown guys who have made significant contributions to the Major League club is encouraging, and I think with Wilken, Fleita, and Co., it’s only going to get better. Will we ever get back to the Dallas Green / Gordy Goldsberry production of the early to mid-80’s? That remains to be seen. But I at least like the direction things are moving.

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Jan 26, 2010 11:27 AM CST reply actions  

Philly shocks me

Considering what they gave up to get Lee, I’m surprised to see them in the top five

"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher

by Musicdude10 on Jan 26, 2010 12:07 PM CST reply actions  

Phillies

and were ever Pat Gillick has been, his clubs almost always rank at the top of major league production thru the minors to the major leagues.

by Slamdog on Jan 26, 2010 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't forget

what they got from Seattle for Lee, too.

by Josh Timmers on Jan 26, 2010 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

The Yankees and Red Sox

A dose of reality for the delusional around here who don’t believe that the Yankees and Red Sox owe a HUGE part of their success to a consistently productive player development system —

Yankee farm products — Rivera, Chamberlain, Hughes, Aceves, Robertson, Pettitte, Jeter, Cano, Posada, N. Johnson — all on the roster right now — plus Ian Kennedy, Melkey Cabrera, Austin Jackson, Dionar Navarro to name just a few others

Red Sox farm products — Youklis, Pedroia, Varitek, Ellsbury, Lester, Masterson, Buccholz, — all on the roster right now — plus Hanley Ramirez

The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.

by BLou on Jan 26, 2010 12:09 PM CST reply actions  

Correct

Pettitte, Rivera, Jeter, Posada and Nick Johnson were products of Brian Sabean when he was with the Yanks as a scouting director and his organization is now ranked 4th. Also Varitek wasnt drafted by Boston it was by Seattle who came to Boston in the infamous Heathcliffe Slocumb deal.

by Slamdog on Jan 26, 2010 12:26 PM CST reply actions  

This makes me happy

not the least because I wrote that the Cubs had a middle of the pack system.

by Josh Timmers on Jan 26, 2010 1:16 PM CST reply actions  

Not real surprising

I’m glad folks eventually came around to what I had been saying early in the year. I remember some specific posters here telling me I was crazy early in April/May when I suggested the Cubs system had moved up dramatically. To a certain extent, Slam’s points about the talent largely being there have always been valid, but the issue was that, relative to how most people judge systems, the progress didn’t happen until this past year.

Some comments -

Red Sox – their system is on a downswing right now … and they are still a top 10 system. That’s what I hope our farm can eventually become – a system that, when they are down, is still a top half system. No system can, year in and year out, be an elite, top 5 or so system. The Red Sox still have two potential elite talents in OF Ryan Westmoreland and P Casey Kelly, along with a host of solid talents.

Yankees/A’s – A’s had an elite system last year. With graduations, they were bound to slip. I imagine they are still a top half system. That said, I think they get too much praise at times. They run hot and cold. They had an awful system a few years back. Yankees system isn’t all that great right now, particularly with the loss of Arodys Vizcaino.

Tampa/Texas – One of the best run systems in the minors right now in regards to how they push players.

Cleveland – System bounced up dramatically from trades.

SanFrancisco is the stunning one. I’m not a fan of their system as an elite system. After the top shelf the talent really drops off there.

Philly – Don’t be surprised if Juan Ramirez turns out better than Kyle Drabek. They’ve done a good job of developing toolsy guys and they managed to keep their best prospect, Domonic Brown. I’m a bit surprised they hung onto top 5 status, as BA was really high on d’Arnaud, with Taylor and Drabek considered top shelf.

My top 30 is a bit different from BA’s, but some of that is to be expected with BA’s focus on tools and stuff. Trey McNutt is a nice hard-throwing arm that’s gotten a lot of hype this offseason, but I’m taking a wait and see on that one. I want to see how he does stretched out (well … if he stays in the pen, that’s a different story, but most vibes point to them moving McNutt to the rotation).

The system’s improving, and the system philosophy/structure is improving as well. Talent always is the trump card in this, but it needs to be pointed out once again that the Cubs have done a good job of hiring, identifying, and finding coaches and teachers in the last few years.

by toonsterwu on Jan 26, 2010 2:15 PM CST reply actions  

Toons

Imagine if the Cubs had spent more, ranking in the bottom third the last 4 or 5 years in spending,and to lose at least 4 picks (gaining one sandwich pick back) in the last five years.

by Slamdog on Jan 26, 2010 9:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Both Chicago and Cubs

begin with a C. Nine of our top 30 prospects begin with a C. What are the odds of that?

by tharr on Jan 26, 2010 4:37 PM CST reply actions  

Probably better than the Cubs finishing anywhere higher than third place this season.

The baseball prediction magazines are starting to come out, and every one that I’ve seen thus far has the Cubs finishing third behind the Cardinals and Brewers. Oh, and they all have the Yankees beating the Phillies in the WS again.

by TheGrinch13 on Jan 26, 2010 7:07 PM CST up reply actions  

good, so you have no reason to watch or post here anymore, since you know its a lost cause

dont let the door hit ya in the ass

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by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 27, 2010 8:11 PM CST up reply actions  

In that case

I really like our 2003 and 2004 WS trophies

"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher

by Musicdude10 on Jan 28, 2010 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Can someone give me a link to this

for some reason I can’t find it at BA. Thanks.

http://citrusjuicing.com/ An SRQ focused-Tampa Bay area sports blog

by CubFanRaysaddict on Jan 26, 2010 5:16 PM CST reply actions  

Its

in the prospect book, by Baseball America, my friend already has it, I got to read it some yesterday.

by Slamdog on Jan 26, 2010 9:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks

i’m going to have to pick one up.

http://citrusjuicing.com/ An SRQ focused-Tampa Bay area sports blog

by CubFanRaysaddict on Jan 26, 2010 9:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Logan Watkins seventh?

I like him and his getting along with Hak-Ju lee and all. Either seven is high, or we have a ridiculous glut of middle infielders. LeMahieu, Flaherty, Lee, Castro. What can we get for Tony Thomas, Casey Coleman, Mike Brenly, and an arm in June?

by tim815 on Jan 26, 2010 11:17 PM CST reply actions  

The Cubs are really high on him

Some people aren’t so sure why but the Cubs have made it clear that he ranks quite high for them. I remember Bruce Miles posted a list midseason based on Cubs sources and it had Watkins ranked high as well. That said, his bat really needs to develop a bit more. I have him a bit further down, but the thing about reading BA lists is that we somewhat get a view on how the org feels about guys. Certainly the BA guys eventually fix and adjust a bit, but a guy like Watkins is probably due to org sources.

by toonsterwu on Jan 27, 2010 12:11 AM CST up reply actions  

doubtless that you are correct.

But still, with Castro, Lee, Flaherty, and LeMahieu all in the mix, something will have to give. Or get dealt.

by tim815 on Jan 27, 2010 12:36 PM CST reply actions  

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