Baseball America Top 30 and the Cubs are ranked # 15
Top 5 Rankings. 1. Tampa 2. Texas 3. Cleveland 4. San Francisco 5. Philadelphia.
My question is why some people always say they want to be like Oakland, Boston or
the Yankees when it comes to minor league developement or scouting and few people
ever mention the these 5 organizations.
Top 30
1. Castro 6. Lee 11. Burke 16. McNutt 21. Raley 26. Chrinos
2. Jackson B 7. Watkins 12. Rhee 17. Colvin 22. Carridad 27. Castillo
3. Vitters 8. Carpenter 13. Dolis 18. Barney 23. Fuld 28. Cales
4. Cashner 9. Flaherty 14. Gaub 19. Antigua 24. Mateo 29. Lake
5. Jackson J 10. Lemahieu 15. Archer 20. Parker 25. Coleman 30. Adduci
Sorry forgot # 31 and honorable mentions.
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I don't think...
… anyone wants to be “like the Yankees or Red Sox” in scouting or farm systems. When it comes to those teams, people are wanting to win the championships those teams have won.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
i disagree
i think people want to be like their farm systems as well because they tend to focus on developing high end talent and dealing off depth. They often don’t find themselves atop the rankings but they’re usually in the top half because they have waves and waves of talent. They internally evaluate which guys can become stars, do everything they can to hold onto them, and then trade the guys they view as complimentary pieces to other teams for other teams stars that are becoming expensive. It’s the right way to leverage your resources.
You pay a high price to scouting, developing, and investing in prospects and then you evaluate them internally, holding onto those that in your opinion can become stars. You then build depth through elite scouting and paying above slot throughout the draft and then you deal that depth for other teams stars when they’re becoming expensive.
Just recently…
The Red Sox have internally produced stars like Pedroia and Lester while dealing off depth to get guys like Victor Martinez
The Yankees have internally produced guys like Cano, Hughes, Chamberlain while dealing off depth to get Granderson.
Both these teams often don’t find themselves towards the top of the rankings because they’re dealing off a lot of the depth in their system to acquire big time talent, but they’re rarely in the bottom 10 or bottom 5 of the rankings either. And both of these teams still have big time prospects in their organization working their way up. Jesus Montero, Clay Buchholz, Casey Kelly, so on so forth
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jan 26, 2010 11:07 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Agreed and rec'd
Large market teams are going to have different organizational philosophies than the smaller ones. The farm system is just one piece of a big picture. Obviously the Cubs would love to have the talent in the Tampa farm system, but they’re not going operate like Tampa. They’re going to operate like a big market team, and thus comparisons to teams like NY or Boston continue because they’ve utilized this philosophy successfully. These smaller market teams trade off stars for prospects, which in turn improves their system. With the Cubs payroll, they should rarely be in a position to be trading away stars for prospects in a lost season. They should be doing the opposite.
Also
Crane Kenney is constantly talking about the Red Sox farm system
The Red Sox, true.
The Yankees, not so much. I think the Yankees have managed to overvalue all of their prospects, which is why people should be wary of dealing for them.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
This is where I thought they would end up.
A significant improvement from last year I believe.
Not sure why Fuld is on the list.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Jan 26, 2010 10:15 AM CST reply actions
Because he has less than 130 ABs?
and he is our 23rd best prospect?
Why wouldn’t he be on the list?
by IllinoisCubs on Jan 26, 2010 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
He spent more than 45 days on the 25 man roster
Before Sept and is thus no longer qualified to be considered a rookie. I was NOT questioning his ability and I would place him higher than 23 on that list.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Jan 26, 2010 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
Cubs
The depth seems to be really improving here, because there’s arguements for Fuld to be higher ranked and some think Sam’s no more than a 5th outfielder. I think the depth is giving some prognosticators problems ranking because we were ranked 27th last year and not alot of names have changed other than B Jackson, Lemahieu, Raley and McNutt as far as new drafts, thou two of these made the top 10.
YOU FORGOT # 31????????
NEVER FORGET # 31!!!!!
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Jan 26, 2010 10:16 AM CST reply actions
Waitaminute.
The Cubs have a player named “McNutt”?! Get that guy up here now, Jimbo!!!
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
I can just see it now.
“McNutt up to bat against Lincecum.
The windup… OOOOH, and down he goes! Looks like Lincecum was looking to bust McNutt high and inside with some heat, and it just got away from him. It doesn’t appear that he got hit in the face, but he’s sure to remember that one!"
I could be wrong
But I think McNutt is a pitcher.
by Mulhollandmania on Jan 26, 2010 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
You would not be wrong
Of course, as National Leaguers, McNutt and Lincecum do bat.
by Josh Timmers on Jan 26, 2010 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
Man, Pat and Ron will have a field day with that name.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jan 26, 2010 4:38 PM CST up reply actions
in that case you could PH McNutt
and slide him into the 2 hole in the order
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The only thing that would make this better...
…is if McNutt has a twin.
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
what if he joined in on the sausage race?
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McNutt chasing weiners in Milwaukee
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I think
that is a fair ranking. This could get better depending on the development of some of “A” players. Just think the Giants, if I am not mistaken, was ranked in the lower 3rd for a few years, Now they are in the top 5
No doubt the Cubs still have a way to go in terms of their farm system.
However, I will say that it’s pretty obvious that things are moving in the right direction, and there is a huge difference in the productivity of the farm system compared to 10 years ago, even 5 years ago. The number of homegrown guys who have made significant contributions to the Major League club is encouraging, and I think with Wilken, Fleita, and Co., it’s only going to get better. Will we ever get back to the Dallas Green / Gordy Goldsberry production of the early to mid-80’s? That remains to be seen. But I at least like the direction things are moving.
"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004
Philly shocks me
Considering what they gave up to get Lee, I’m surprised to see them in the top five
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
Don't forget
what they got from Seattle for Lee, too.
by Josh Timmers on Jan 26, 2010 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
The Yankees and Red Sox
A dose of reality for the delusional around here who don’t believe that the Yankees and Red Sox owe a HUGE part of their success to a consistently productive player development system —
Yankee farm products — Rivera, Chamberlain, Hughes, Aceves, Robertson, Pettitte, Jeter, Cano, Posada, N. Johnson — all on the roster right now — plus Ian Kennedy, Melkey Cabrera, Austin Jackson, Dionar Navarro to name just a few others
Red Sox farm products — Youklis, Pedroia, Varitek, Ellsbury, Lester, Masterson, Buccholz, — all on the roster right now — plus Hanley Ramirez
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Correct
Pettitte, Rivera, Jeter, Posada and Nick Johnson were products of Brian Sabean when he was with the Yanks as a scouting director and his organization is now ranked 4th. Also Varitek wasnt drafted by Boston it was by Seattle who came to Boston in the infamous Heathcliffe Slocumb deal.
Not real surprising
I’m glad folks eventually came around to what I had been saying early in the year. I remember some specific posters here telling me I was crazy early in April/May when I suggested the Cubs system had moved up dramatically. To a certain extent, Slam’s points about the talent largely being there have always been valid, but the issue was that, relative to how most people judge systems, the progress didn’t happen until this past year.
Some comments -
Red Sox – their system is on a downswing right now … and they are still a top 10 system. That’s what I hope our farm can eventually become – a system that, when they are down, is still a top half system. No system can, year in and year out, be an elite, top 5 or so system. The Red Sox still have two potential elite talents in OF Ryan Westmoreland and P Casey Kelly, along with a host of solid talents.
Yankees/A’s – A’s had an elite system last year. With graduations, they were bound to slip. I imagine they are still a top half system. That said, I think they get too much praise at times. They run hot and cold. They had an awful system a few years back. Yankees system isn’t all that great right now, particularly with the loss of Arodys Vizcaino.
Tampa/Texas – One of the best run systems in the minors right now in regards to how they push players.
Cleveland – System bounced up dramatically from trades.
SanFrancisco is the stunning one. I’m not a fan of their system as an elite system. After the top shelf the talent really drops off there.
Philly – Don’t be surprised if Juan Ramirez turns out better than Kyle Drabek. They’ve done a good job of developing toolsy guys and they managed to keep their best prospect, Domonic Brown. I’m a bit surprised they hung onto top 5 status, as BA was really high on d’Arnaud, with Taylor and Drabek considered top shelf.
My top 30 is a bit different from BA’s, but some of that is to be expected with BA’s focus on tools and stuff. Trey McNutt is a nice hard-throwing arm that’s gotten a lot of hype this offseason, but I’m taking a wait and see on that one. I want to see how he does stretched out (well … if he stays in the pen, that’s a different story, but most vibes point to them moving McNutt to the rotation).
The system’s improving, and the system philosophy/structure is improving as well. Talent always is the trump card in this, but it needs to be pointed out once again that the Cubs have done a good job of hiring, identifying, and finding coaches and teachers in the last few years.
Both Chicago and Cubs
begin with a C. Nine of our top 30 prospects begin with a C. What are the odds of that?
Probably better than the Cubs finishing anywhere higher than third place this season.
The baseball prediction magazines are starting to come out, and every one that I’ve seen thus far has the Cubs finishing third behind the Cardinals and Brewers. Oh, and they all have the Yankees beating the Phillies in the WS again.
good, so you have no reason to watch or post here anymore, since you know its a lost cause
dont let the door hit ya in the ass
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In that case
I really like our 2003 and 2004 WS trophies
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by Musicdude10 on Jan 28, 2010 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
Can someone give me a link to this
for some reason I can’t find it at BA. Thanks.
http://citrusjuicing.com/ An SRQ focused-Tampa Bay area sports blog
by CubFanRaysaddict on Jan 26, 2010 5:16 PM CST reply actions
Its
in the prospect book, by Baseball America, my friend already has it, I got to read it some yesterday.
Thanks
i’m going to have to pick one up.
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by CubFanRaysaddict on Jan 26, 2010 9:18 PM CST up reply actions
Logan Watkins seventh?
I like him and his getting along with Hak-Ju lee and all. Either seven is high, or we have a ridiculous glut of middle infielders. LeMahieu, Flaherty, Lee, Castro. What can we get for Tony Thomas, Casey Coleman, Mike Brenly, and an arm in June?
The Cubs are really high on him
Some people aren’t so sure why but the Cubs have made it clear that he ranks quite high for them. I remember Bruce Miles posted a list midseason based on Cubs sources and it had Watkins ranked high as well. That said, his bat really needs to develop a bit more. I have him a bit further down, but the thing about reading BA lists is that we somewhat get a view on how the org feels about guys. Certainly the BA guys eventually fix and adjust a bit, but a guy like Watkins is probably due to org sources.
doubtless that you are correct.
But still, with Castro, Lee, Flaherty, and LeMahieu all in the mix, something will have to give. Or get dealt.

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