Xavier Nady To Sign With Cubs, Pending Physical
by Al Yellon on Jan 26, 2010 11:47 AM CST
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Via tweet from Yahoo's Tim Brown. More details when they are available.
I'm fine with this signing, presuming Nady has sufficiently recovered from the elbow surgery he had last year. Nady is 31 and had a fine year in 2008 split between the Pirates and Yankees. Lifetime he has hit .308/.383/.471 in 673 plate appearances vs. LHP, so he'll make a fine platoon partner for Kosuke Fukudome.
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I really
like this signing. I think he can come in and really be a force in this lineup if healthy.
You will never move forward by looking back....
by By Santo's Grace on Jan 26, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
This comment was copy and pasted from last year's Milton Bradley signing thread.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 26, 2010 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
And the original writer was BLou.
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by AndrewJStone on Jan 26, 2010 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
right before he huffed, puffed, and blew his sand castle down
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And pounded.
Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.
And drank his kool-aid.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
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by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 27, 2010 12:34 AM CST up reply actions
Why on earth would you rather have Dye
who can’t play defense, can barely hit anymore, and is 4 years older than Nady?
I think he can still rake
If he’s given the proper rest. He’s not an everyday starter. His numbers the past two years have really trailed off in Aug and Sept, but before that his numbers are awesome.
That being said, he’s a statue (though a statue with a good arm and the know how as to where to throw it), and he is older. All in all, I’d rather have Nady, but I would have been happy with Dye.
by jerry morales rules on Jan 26, 2010 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
Dye probably would have been my last choice of the 4.
Gomes is equally bad in the field but at least he’s young and can still hit. Johnson is often hilariously overrated around here, but his defense is solid and does fine as long as you only bat him according to his splits, and he was probably the cheapest option.
Dye doesn’t seem to offer much other than a lot of offensive uncertainty and bad defense. He also seemed to be asking for the most money of the 4 which is pretty ridiculous.
Nady can still hit, can back up Lee at first, and assuming his elbow is back to normal can play league-average defense in right. I really like this signing a lot.
by Wreckard on Jan 26, 2010 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Presuming he's healthy, yes, I am in 100% agreement with you.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I agree with that
My only exception is that I think he can still hit very, very well if he’s rested. He can’t play 140+ games anymore, that’s obvious, but if he were to play anywhere between 80-100, I think he could be very effeective.
In any event, I am happy with this signing.
by jerry morales rules on Jan 26, 2010 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
You'd have been real unhappy with Dye actually playing right field.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
weren't you the one who wanted Adam Dunn to play right, Al?
And on an everyday basis?
Yes.
But Dunn’s offense would have provided much more than Dye.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
but there wouldn't have been as much bad defense ...
because Dye would have played FAR less in the outfield. He wouldn’t have needed to provide as much offense to cover his bad defense.
But whatever. I was on the MB bandwagon last offseason, so I’m clearly not batting 1.000 myself.
If you spend less time on defense you generally spend less time on offense, too.
So you’d have relatively few PAs to make up for the bad defense you play.
I certainly recognize that overall level of play was more important in the Dunn deal — Dunn would have been paid a lot more money and expected to play a lot more. When you’re signing someone to be a platoon player and presumably paying him as such you don’t expect the same production.
Yes, I would have
I do think if rested he could be a very good bat, but his range is lousy. He still has a good arm though.
by jerry morales rules on Jan 26, 2010 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
Except their interest in him...
… was supposed to be “waning” after Calero wanted a two-year deal.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Just saw this on MLB trade rumors
If true and the arm checks out, I’m stoked and feeling more optimistic about this season. If we can get Sheets in the fold… look out NL!
Sheets
is an Athletic. Lets go get Garland
I think we're done on SP
I don’t see another FA on the market worth bringing in to start over our current options. Bedard or Smoltz maybe, and I wouldn’t mind kicking the tires on Chien-Ming Wang. What made Sheets so appealing was the opportunity to buy low on big upside. As it turns out, he got $10M which wasn’t a buy low anyway.
Best part of the song IMO.
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by lostinthevines on Jan 27, 2010 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
i think the lineup vs. lefties will mash...
he should get a lot of ab’s with the brewers picking up some lefties
4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42
Nady
hits Righties better than Lefties.
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
that...
isn’t accurate…
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=nadyxa01&year=Career&t=b
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jan 26, 2010 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
Interesting when you dig into the year by year splits.
In 2008, he killed RHP, hitting them better than LHP.
In 2007, he had fairly even splits.
This is one big advantage Nady has over a player like Reed Johnson who has no use for the team v. RHP.
"What a lot of people don’t see is the tremendous amount of progress that has been made in the organization over the last few years. We have a lot of very talented guys coming up through the system. Jim has built an incredible scouting organization." - Tom Ricketts
year-by-year splits
are going to have variance like that because of sample size issues
I do agree that Nady was the best all around option we had for RF, because he’s really somewhere between a 3rd and 4th OF in terms of value
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jan 26, 2010 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
They'll have variance
for guys who can hit RHP – not so much for guys who don’t. And that’s the point on Nady – he upgrades Reed significantly in terms of how you can use him.
"What a lot of people don’t see is the tremendous amount of progress that has been made in the organization over the last few years. We have a lot of very talented guys coming up through the system. Jim has built an incredible scouting organization." - Tom Ricketts
You are correct Sir.
Not sure why I though he mashed righties.
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
Cubs should still resign Reed Johnson, IMO
I’d much rather have him on the team than Fuld
Start Sean Marshall!!
not with the Yankees interested.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 26, 2010 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
Highly unlikely now.
I love RJ, but it appears the Cubs are moving on. They are not going to spend what Reed will command on a part-time player when they now have Nady and an inexpensive role player like Fuld.
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disagree
"What a lot of people don’t see is the tremendous amount of progress that has been made in the organization over the last few years. We have a lot of very talented guys coming up through the system. Jim has built an incredible scouting organization." - Tom Ricketts
I don't see the point of Reed Johnson now that we have Nady.
Plus, I don’t want two health risks who offer very similar abilities on the same team.
Plus, Lou played Reed way too often in CF and against RHP given Reed’s skill-set, not to mention leading off v. RHP.
Reed was a fun ballplayer to watch. But he doesn’t help the team now.
On the other hand, Fuld can play CF better, he outhit Reed last year, he’s cheaper, he’s left-handed, he’s ready, he’s healthier – what else is there?
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by DGU on Jan 26, 2010 12:59 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
he's younger
has all of his hair
and Doggie Sweatheart lurvs him.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 26, 2010 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
uh...
it gets hot in the bleachers?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 26, 2010 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
is that a Big Gulp Sweetheart, or are you just happy to see Al?
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Ugh
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 26, 2010 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
rec'd
i was a fan of RJ, but he doesnt fit the team needs. I wish him well
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Agreed and Rec'd.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jan 26, 2010 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
Fuld
basically seems like a left handed, younger Reed Johnson…which balances the Cubs bench a bit better in my opinion. I really liked Reed Johnson, but I just don’t think he fits anywhere on this year’s team now.
It's Sheets
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by Musicdude10 on Jan 26, 2010 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
Personally I wanted Reed Johnson
Though Nady’s career line at Wrigley isn’t so bad: .304 /.371 /.441 /.812
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by cubbiebluekdawg on Jan 26, 2010 11:53 AM CST reply actions
keep in mind that is against Cub pitching.
he wont be facing Cub pitching this time.
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back then
Cub pitching wasn’t cub pitching. :P
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 26, 2010 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
The Cubs have had top 5 pitching the last few years
but Nady has still killed them.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jan 26, 2010 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
How long & how much dough?
"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"
Sounds like a smart move
are we in the bizarro world???
"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"
A one-year deal?
Really???? I didn’t think Jim Hendry knew how to make those!
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 26, 2010 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
backloaded?
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Ha, they'll pay his whole salary on the final day of the season!
He’ll be un-tradeable!
TWSA
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by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 26, 2010 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
Lol.
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Yahoo is saying 1 year, $3.3 Million
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jan 26, 2010 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
Is it possible to backload a one year deal?
Pay him more in August/September/October?
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LOL
If there’s any way to do that, Jim will find it.
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Is Nady's NTC full or limited?
Hendry’s ace-up-the-sleeve = NTC
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by lostinthevines on Jan 27, 2010 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
Off Twitter per Dat_Cubfan_Dave
"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"
I wouldn't trust anything that guys says...
Dare I give the Cubs my heart again?
by digitalbenjamin on Jan 26, 2010 12:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
At least it's not the NL Central.
Not even the National League. If he does come back and is productive, at least it’s won’t affect the Cubs.
"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004
Except you just know
the A’s are going to trade him in June or July if he’s healthy.
The A’s aren’t going anywhere this season. This signing is all about giving Billy Beane another trading chip.
The good news here is that Beane and Hendry like to trade with each other. Bad news is that it could cost us someone pretty good in July if that comes to pass.
Bad news is that Beane will also trade with the Cardinals.
...
Bad news is that Beane will also trade with the Cardinals.
Maybe if we just asked him not to? :)
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jan 26, 2010 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
It's a really interesting strategy:
signing players to 1-2 year deals with the sole intent of trading them midseason for prospects. From the players point of view, it must be pretty tempting: you most likely get more money than you would from a team expecting to keep you on the payroll all year, but at the same time you have no idea where you’ll end up come Summer.
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the a's could contend
their pitching depth is fantastic now with Sheets and that division isn’t a 95+ win division
If they’re in it, they’ll hold Sheets and get draft picks, if they’re out of it they’lll move him
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jan 26, 2010 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
There are three teams in that division
better than the A’s. And Oakland’s offense is messed up. Their rotation has a lot of promise, but young pitchers are unpredictable.
Maybe you won’t need 95 wins to take the West this year, but I’d bet you need 92-93, and I can’t see Oakland sniffing that.
Like Holliday last year, they’ve got him to trade him.
i agree like Holliday last year
the plan is to potentially trade him, but if contending they hold and take the comp picks
I think their pitching could take a big step forward especially Cahill and Anderson (Anderson is a stud), they get Duchscherer back and now have Sheets. their bullpen is solid using situational relievers perfectly and their lineup could be sneaky (especially if they add Damon as a DH type)
i think their upper level projection could be in the high 80’s
heck their pythag record last year was 81-81
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jan 26, 2010 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
Since Sheets didn't pitch last year,
I bet his stats whon’t end up with him being ranked as a Type A free agent even if he has a good year in 2010.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jan 26, 2010 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
see, if only we had Jake Fox
then we could have traded him for Sheets
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And Aaron Miles
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Hey...you!
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by dat cubfan daver on Jan 26, 2010 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
Get into my car!
…who me? …yea you? Whoooaaaaaaa!!!
Dare I give the Cubs my heart again?
by digitalbenjamin on Jan 26, 2010 5:19 PM CST up reply actions
seems we are on a name that tune theme as of late
and thats fine by me
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Now we're showing our age!
December’s Children- in January!
Now only 12,859 on the "Cubs Season Tickets Waiting List"...
Speak for yourself!
How do you know I’m not a young student of ancient pop culture history?
Not buyin it, huh? OK, you’re on to me. But let’s say late July or August…not December. Please? I’ve got a birthday coming up.
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That was the name of the Stones album "Hey, you! Get off of my Cloud" was on.
“December’s Children”
It wasn’t a comment our OUR age ;)
Now only 12,859 on the "Cubs Season Tickets Waiting List"...
Gotcha.
I flunked that ancient pop culture history class. Actually, I was only one at the time and at the mercy of my mom controlling the stereo. She would have been listening to Johnny Mathis or Andy Williams.
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My mom had every Elvis album
but also, inexplicably, Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass. For years, my idea of Christmas music was this:
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My dad had every Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass album - including this one...
at least I think he had every one – for some reason I never made it past this one…
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Save that for the next time Worf posts.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jan 29, 2010 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
Now that's a classic.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jan 29, 2010 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
...out there in the cold, getting lonely, getting old, can you feel me...
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Don't give in....without a fight...
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He's the worst!
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by dat cubfan daver on Jan 26, 2010 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
thats why we are true friends
we stab in the chest, not the back
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Oh, uh, Daver
Hey, wow, uh… this is awkward.
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That's it!
Now I’m not going to see your movie!
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by dat cubfan daver on Jan 26, 2010 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
Wow, I'm being cited as a source now.
Thanks, Itchmeister!
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by dat cubfan daver on Jan 26, 2010 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
Here ya go
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by cubbiebluekdawg on Jan 26, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
He was originally asking $10-$12 mil
So the A’s are getting a “deal.”
Now the AL West will be a race: to see which injury prone pitcher will go on the DL first – Harden or Sheets.
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by cubbiebluekdawg on Jan 26, 2010 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
Here you go.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 26, 2010 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
Do not follow this link.
I linked to a duplicate FanPost, but I just deleted it because I saw Chanman’s FanPost on the subject.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 26, 2010 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
Can I get a link-refund?
I already followed it
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by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 26, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
Can he at least keep his...
sidearm?
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jan 26, 2010 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
Sounds like Sheets got $10 million plus performance bonuses
more than originally stated. Too much inmy book.
"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"
Good move.
I really like the platoon of Fukudome and Xavier Nady in right field. Just hope he’s healthy. I know this may be dangerous…..but I’m giving Hendry & Co. the benefit of the doubt that they did their homework on his health status, and that by spring training, he’ll be ready. Fingers crossed, but overall, I like this.
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One year deal huh?
Is it possible for Hendry to backload this contract?
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
At 31 and a 1 year deal
this could be a pretty good tryout. If he is good, I would say sign him up for 2 more years if he can exceed expectations.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
Solid Signing
Happy with this signing. Hope he stays healthy. He can fill in for Soriano, too. Again, hoping for a healthy 2010 for Mr. Nady.
If Nady is healthy...
I like this pickup. I liked Reed, but more on personality than on performance. Let’s hope Nady’s off year last year was entirely tied to injury and he is still able to return to more solid form.
As for our pitching….I’m bummed that it wasn’t meant to be with Sheets (no way we were going to pay him as much as he got). I’m not nearly as sanguine as some around here about our staff…now we’re stuck with it. Three decent guys and 2 question marks. Not ideal…
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jan 26, 2010 12:13 PM CST reply actions
I should qualify...
as I hadn’t realized Nady only played 7 games last year. So moreso we just have to hope he can still play after this latest surgery. Last year’s stats are irrelevent.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jan 26, 2010 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
Now that this position is filled
we’ll soon hear more about what’s left in the budget for pitching depth.
"What a lot of people don’t see is the tremendous amount of progress that has been made in the organization over the last few years. We have a lot of very talented guys coming up through the system. Jim has built an incredible scouting organization." - Tom Ricketts
true...
But 1) I dont’ see us getting a SP over a RP, and 2) Going off memory, I don’t think there aren’t really any pitchers left who could make much a difference for us. There’s no point in signing a Mark Mulder type who wouldn’t offer much of an upgrade….
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jan 26, 2010 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
Whoops...
Should read “I don’t think there ARE really any pitchers left…”
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jan 26, 2010 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
Mark Mulder types
are precisely the kind of guys I’d look at. True, he could end up being a Wade Miller, but he could also end up being a Ryan Dempster. It’s a risk worth taking when you have the depth, but depth with question marks, we have.
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Danny Mac show on 670 "The Score"
are reporting that the Cubs also have “an interest” in Chan Ho Park for their bullpen. No link, no sources other than that, so not sure what to think.
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Good signing
I think he can contribute but sentimentally I wish we had Reed Johnson back.
that's how I feel too
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by katie casey on Jan 26, 2010 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
guess I can sentimentally say goodbye to any thoughts of Edmonds too
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by katie casey on Jan 26, 2010 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
not that I seriously wanted him though
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by katie casey on Jan 26, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah.
While I like this signing, I too would like it if we had RJ back.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 26, 2010 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
would only happen ...
if Reed was as good defensively as Fuld.
Anyway, would Reed really want to be the team’s fifth outfielder?
Good point.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 26, 2010 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
The 162 games I watched last year
That’s all the stats I need :)
lol
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I'll also miss Reed. But
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by eths on Jan 26, 2010 1:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That's how I feel too.
Oh well. I hope Nady does well for the Cubs.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
TWSS
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by dat cubfan daver on Jan 26, 2010 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
Very pleased.
It strengthens a very weak bench significantly, and makes for a good right field platoon. Great signing by the Cubs.
He can actually field
Fuld won’t have to play 155 games after all. Like many I will miss Johnson but I like Nady. Isn’t he a Boras client ?
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Jan 26, 2010 12:20 PM CST reply actions
on a somewhat related note
is this the first Boras client we’ve had since Maddux?
random thoughts aplenty: @crouch17
I think someone said Baker is a Boras client
but I’m not sure.
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Baker is a Boras client
but still under arb. First Boras FA signing since Maddux as far as I know.
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Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Jan 26, 2010 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
Golf Clap
not gonna go buy a Nady jersey but I think everything about this is good and smart.
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It's the quiet signings with little applause
that usually turn out to be the most successful, rather than the flashy, expensive Soriano type deals. I’m very pleased with the way this signing.
I don't think that's true.
The most important element to a successful team is lots of quality players under team control. I guess those are typically small signings, but they’re a totally different thing than the Nady deal. Beyond that, teams sign expensive contracts for free agents that will have a big impact on the team. If they didn’t have a big impact teams would not write big contracts. They sign players that will have smaller impacts to smaller contracts. Currently the Cubs have several players on pretty big contracts that most of us would call very successful: Lee, Ramirez, Dempster, and Lilly, for example. The small contracts aren’t any more likely than the big ones to be successful — you just don’t notice as much when they fail.
With Nady, Cus still have 1 open spot on the 40-man roster
By my count, Nady makes 39 guys on the 40-man roster. Who should the Cubs add to that 40th spot? Calero? Park?
Do the Cubs usually start camp with all 40 spots filled?
It depends on the year.
Sometimes, there is a spot to fill that they’d need to leave open. This year, there may not be.
Looking at the current 40-man, I don’t see anyone who is an obvious “doesn’t belong”, unlike some other years when guys like Adam Harben and Russ Rohlicek (pitchers who had zero chance of making the ML roster) were on it.
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Great signing by Jimbo.
Can’t wait to see Nady in Cubbie blue.
I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...
When you think about it...
He really should have been a Cub already, given that he was a Pirates product.
by Hilary Lee on Jan 26, 2010 12:35 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
True.
When you’re a Pirate, all roads lead to Jerusalem Wrigleyville.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jan 26, 2010 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Not really a Pirates "product"...
… as he was only there in transition from the Mets to the Yankees.
But rec’d anyway.
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Nady
Nady is a good fit for the Cubs. He can hit against lefties and good back up in the outfield. Go Cubs Go!!
Sheets to the A's
Reportedly
Start Sean Marshall!!
by Chanman25 on Jan 26, 2010 12:39 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Repeatedly.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 26, 2010 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
What's that supposed to mean?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 26, 2010 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
Everything and nothing
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by eths on Jan 26, 2010 2:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
respectfully
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Egregiously
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by dat cubfan daver on Jan 26, 2010 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
Ludicrously
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BleedCubbieBlueishly
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
Loudicrously
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
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by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
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BLoudicrously
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On his career, defensively
Nady is a tick below average in the corners, and a bit above average at 1B. Fangraphs link. As we look at what is likely to be the last position player added, the Cubs have improved two big issues from last year – depth and defense. Nady now backs up Soriano, Dome, and DLee, probably resting all of them. Baker backs up Ramirez and Nady, although he may win the 2B job more outright. If Soriano rebounds, we won’t have a significant negative on defense.
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My prediction for Micah Hoffpauir's season:
“Turning Japanese.”
by Josh77 on Jan 26, 2010 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hoffpauir would be a good fit in Japan
He would love those short fences.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jan 26, 2010 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
In that case..
Is there a Japanese Fantasy League?! LOL
I'd been saying Hoffpauir was
destined for Japan for three years now. He’s a perfect fit over there.
Don’t forget, Julio Zuleta became a star over there. I think Hoffpauir is a little better than Zuleta.
Rec'd
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Traded for what exactly
There isn’t exactly a burning need in the market for mediocre bench bats who can’t play defense.
Good deal
The only ? is Nady’s health. If that’s good, then this is good, particularly for a one-year deal.
I won’t cry about not getting Sheets, considering that the A’s are paying him.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jan 26, 2010 12:50 PM CST reply actions
Considering "how much" the A's are paying him, that is
$8 million? No, thanks.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jan 26, 2010 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
$10 million plus incentives,
From the link in my FanPost on the subject.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 26, 2010 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, seriously.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 26, 2010 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
Billy Beane
still is the A’s GM, right? I can’t believe he’d make a deal like that.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jan 26, 2010 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
Beane...
has the money to spend because he couldn’t get anyone else to take it. So… unlike the Marlins owners etc., who just pocket the money… he went out and made a deal to get what he determined was the best player avaialble and offered him a deal he couldn’t refuse… a one-year deal! This is either works out well or is a definition of a sunk cost. It’s not like the Athletics could have contended in the AL West without a major improvement and hedging against the volatility of young players.
Michael Taylor, Jake Fox, Kevin Kouzmanoff, Coco Crisp, Ben Sheets… I’ll take what the A’s added this offseason over most teams and gave up pretty much nothing to do so.
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by jameslcrockett on Jan 26, 2010 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
Agree
I would love to have Sheets at half that price, but 8M that is way to steep. As pointed out previously, Sheets will be traded by July. We should have a over under on that .
I'm just really shocked that in this economy a pitcher who missed the entire
previous season is given that kind of a deal. Seems like those guys usually have to take a one-year/$2million with incentives deal.
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@SI_JonHeyman Nady got $3.3 mil guaranteed plus $2 mil in incentives based on games played.
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Good deal if that true
I wonder if Jimbo even knew there was such a thing as a “one-year contract”.
by salparadise23 on Jan 26, 2010 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
What Hendry does now that Ricketts is in charge will be interesting.
I think we need to strongly consider the possibility that a lot of the long, backloaded contracts with NTCs were the work of the Trib as much as Hendry. They knew they’d be dumping the team eventually (especially once Zell entered the picture in early 2007) and backloading saved them a bunch of cash in the meantime.
Give a guy multiple years, underpay the few you still own the team, and leave the next owner holding the purse strings when he gets expensive.
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by AndrewJStone on Jan 26, 2010 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
i have seen that said somewhere before
and I agree a million times over
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I think i've said something similar in defense of Hendry previously.
And i also suspect Ricketts knew this was going on, which (if true) made all the calls for Hendry’s head even more redic.
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by AndrewJStone on Jan 26, 2010 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
The backloading didn't bother me
Overpaying and/or overextending Neifi Perez, Glendon Rusch, Aaron Miles, Joey Gathright et al is what I don’t like.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jan 26, 2010 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
+1, and why the calls for his head still aren't 'redic'
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jan 26, 2010 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
Every GM makes mistakes.
And most fanbases seem to think theirs is the worse. Its only natural… the grass is greener and all.
And i’m no hendry apologist… as far as i’m concerned, he has this year to show us something (progress) before he should be done.
I just believe a lot of what he is traditionally blasted for may have been more on the Trib than on him.
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by AndrewJStone on Jan 26, 2010 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
The moves that I referenced weren't second-guessed
They were first-guessed. You’re right that everyone makes mistakes, and I’d rather have Hendry as GM than Omar Minaya. But he does have a habit of throwing money at bit players when there is not a market for them and/or the Cubs have cheaper alternatives in their system.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jan 26, 2010 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
we both have many times
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many players will ask for a NTC
its part of the give and take.
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And most GM's don't hand them out like candy
especially to guys like Spellcheck
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jan 26, 2010 7:55 PM CST up reply actions
they seem to be quite common not a JH only ordeal
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if he hadn't given the NTC to Spellcheck
Jeff would be playing football.
Now, in hindsight, that may have been the best choice, but at the time…
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 27, 2010 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
Might have been for the best...
… for him, our favorite baseball club, and some NFL team as well.
Hindsight is 1080p. Oh well.
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by AndrewJStone on Jan 27, 2010 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
of course
you can’t see his long flowing locks when he’s wearing a football helmet…
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 27, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
Troy would like a word.
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by AndrewJStone on Jan 27, 2010 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
How players are OK with letting that hair hang out...
… when they know they are getting pulled down by it every few weeks is beyond me.
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by AndrewJStone on Jan 27, 2010 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
his hair
is MUCH longer.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 27, 2010 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
Plenty.
A NTC is viewed as a player perk. It gives the player all of the power should a team wish to rid themselves of him. You have to believe negotiations go something like this:
Player: “I want 10 million!”
Club: “How about 8 with a full NTC?”
The Trib, knowing full well that they’d be out of the baseball business in a couple of years, could have handed these out as a way to pay less out of pocket while they still had the team on their books.
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by AndrewJStone on Jan 26, 2010 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
Like George Lucas telling the suits at Fox
all he wanted was the merchandising rights.
First, they were all “SURE…Sucker” and then they were like “D’OH!”
"Only a mediocre person is always at his best." ~W. Somerset Maugham
I don't think the Cubs are kicking themselves over NTCs.
Who do they want to trade that they can’t because of an NTC? Do you forsee this becoming an issue for the Cubs soon?
well, there were reports we would have landed PV had Jeff S. been willing
to waive his
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by Nunyabidness on Jan 26, 2010 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
never once had i heard that
link?
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I don't think they were ORDERED
But it is indeed a way to save cash
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by Shanghai Badger on Jan 26, 2010 8:48 PM CST up reply actions
Actually that seems very likely.
They knew the team was being sold, why should they pay when they can get the next guy to do it.
Does Nady also play some LF or 1B?
If he can spell Soriano or D-Lee once in a while, that makes him even more valuable. I know they wanted a righty to platoon with Fukudome in RF, but with his oft-injured arm, he almost seems like more of a left-fielder if his throwing arm is not the best. Plus, if he has a “games played” incentive in his contract, then any versatility he brings to the table is good for him.
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Nady can play LF.
He’s played a few games at 1B in his career (82), so he could probably back up D-Lee, who needs few off-days.
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So is this going to open the X files to whole bunch of X jokes and puns?
I already saw him referred to as the x-factor on the Cubs site.
"Fasten those seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
Nady is the second ML player...
… known as “Xavier”, whose actual given first name is “Xavier” (most of the others were “Francis Xavier” or some variation of that).
Xavier Paul played a handful of games for the Dodgers last year.
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Doesn't it depend on his nationality/ethnicity?
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Xavier is a common name here in Bavaria
and it’s pronounced a bit like “CZAR-verr” in the local dialect.
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by eths on Jan 26, 2010 2:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think there's a hint of Z in there
as in “zSay – vyer”?
One of Lee Elia's 15%
by waiting4cubs on Jan 26, 2010 5:51 PM CST up reply actions
More importantly, how is RON going to pronounce it?
Ah… Ex… Za… aw, geeze. Pat, that guy Nady, he’s a fine young ballplayer…
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 26, 2010 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
Hehe,
That’s probably very close to how it will be!
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
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by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 26, 2010 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
According to my calculations...
(And a careful scrutiny of Cubs By The Numbers)…Xavier is just the 21st Cub with an “x” in his name in 1932! Food for thought!
I've already decided his nickname is "Professor X."
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by dat cubfan daver on Jan 26, 2010 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
I dunno if I like that
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i like the deal in a vacuum
but 3.3 seems like a decent bit for a 4th OF, add in the bevy of similar options on the FA market and lack of demand for them and throw in the 3.75 million spent on Grabow and it still feels like we’re over-spending on less impactful positions on the roster
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jan 26, 2010 1:20 PM CST reply actions
What similar options would have cost less than that?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
well...
we’ve been through Darren Oliver who is actually a superior option to Grabow and cost less
Calero is a better pitcher than Grabow (though if you want to argue durability Grabow would have the edge there)
as far as 4th OF’s go, Gomes, Dye, Byrnes, etc. I’m not saying they’re better or worse. Its just there’s a lot of supply on the market and little demand for a 4th OF at 3+ million dollars. My guess is one of those guys is available in March for something like 1.5-2
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jan 26, 2010 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
dye probably wont
Gomes has never made more than 1.25 in his career. Last year he signed a minor league deal, my guess is someone like he or Byrnes or Reed Johnson or someone else is available for 1-2
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jan 26, 2010 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
Doubt it.
Gomes had a pretty good year. You’d have had to pay him at least what Nady got as a base. Probably, same with Reed Johnson.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
why do you say that?
other teams didn’t have to pay relievers as much as Grabow got?
just because the Cubs pay a guy something doesn’t mean they’re setting the market at that.
Most teams aren’t looking to spend 3-4 million on a 4th OF
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jan 26, 2010 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
We aren't most teams
And Nady is much better than most teams’ 4th outfielders. He’s good enough that he could steal playing time from a lot of different spots out there.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Nady play 110-120 games this year, being used to rest Soriano and Lee regularly, and even starting over Fukudome against righties when the matchup looks good.
i don't disagree
as i said in a vacuum nady for 3.3 million is fine.
The problem is we’ve already overspent in other areas that will have minimal impact on our success (3.75 million to a replacement level reliever) AND there is ample supply on the market for similar players to Nady
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jan 26, 2010 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
A healthy Nady
is better than so many starting outfielders in the game, not just their 4th OF’ers.
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he's largely been
a 0.7-1.0 WAR player his career except for one outlandish year
last year that would have qualified him as say the 50th-65th best OF in the big leagues
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=of&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=6&season=2009&month=0
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1658&position=OF#value
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jan 26, 2010 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
last year, Nady wasn't healthy
so obviously I’m not disagreeing w/your assesment about, LAST YEAR.
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missing the point...
throughout NADY’S Career he’s been a 0.7-1.0 WAR player
if you take that 0.7-1.0 WAR result and plug it into LAST YEARS OFs across MLB, he’d grade out as the 50th-60th best OF in baseball
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jan 26, 2010 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry, misunderstanding
But that’s not really a fair way to respond to my initial statement that a healthy Nady can be better than many starting outfielders.
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how is it not...
i’m taking his typical career performance and comparing it to the sampling of MLB OF’s last year to see where it would fit
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jan 26, 2010 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
50th-65th best OF in the league
might not sound very good, but when you consider that there are 30 teams, that means he’s at least as good as what most teams are trotting out as their 3rd outfielder (at least, in terms of WAR).
Yeah but...
Nady hit his stride two years ago, so taking all those learning years into account as his career average doesn’t seem like a fair assesment of where he is at now (which is of course clouded by the year of injury).
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by BucknerKongCardenal on Jan 26, 2010 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
WAR
I do not know what these WAR Statistics are or how there calculated but grading Nady as a 50-60th best OF in MLB sounds accurate. He builds up his statistics on Fair to Mediocre pitching and most of them are not money hits. A Platoon situation with he and Fuku should get the best out of both them. For the price and for what the Cubs were looking for Nady was the best out there.
why would RJ go for 1-2
when the Yankees are involved?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 26, 2010 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
the yankees are involved
because it wont cost much
they don’t want to spend more money on a 4th-5th OF, this is why they’ve let guys like Nady, Damon, etc walk
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jan 26, 2010 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
The Yankees are insisting
they won’t spend more than $2 million on the outfielder they sign. It remains to be seen of they are serious.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jan 26, 2010 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
The question is whether the 4th OF on the 2010 Cubs
is a position you can just wait and see what you get, as Jim did when he first acquired Reed Johnson, or if it’s important to pay premium. I think with our injury questions, Jim Hendry decided not to wait too long to see what’s available this year.
Nady shouldn’t end up just a 4th OF. He should be playing quite a bit, resting all our corner men but Aramis.
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good point
"What a lot of people don’t see is the tremendous amount of progress that has been made in the organization over the last few years. We have a lot of very talented guys coming up through the system. Jim has built an incredible scouting organization." - Tom Ricketts
good point
but then it comes down to “How much better” you view Nady as the other options that he’s the guy you need to go get.
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jan 26, 2010 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
I think the majority here thought Nady was the best option.
I wasn’t so sure because health is a big issue for Nady. I’d hope that we’re fairly sure of his health.
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i'd agree with that
i’m just not sure “how much” better
but like i said, its kind of nit-picking here. The signing itself i’m fine with it. It’s the other options that are available and the wasted money earlier in the offseason i’m more frustrated by
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jan 26, 2010 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
deal ain't done
till he passes a physical.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 26, 2010 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
Reed was the 5th Outfielder in 2008
Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Then Darryl Ward was the lefty pinch-hit/4th outfielder. Then Edmonds supplanted Pie.
by RiskyBusiness on Jan 26, 2010 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
Reed started more than Pie
"What a lot of people don’t see is the tremendous amount of progress that has been made in the organization over the last few years. We have a lot of very talented guys coming up through the system. Jim has built an incredible scouting organization." - Tom Ricketts
But Reed never filled the typical 4th outfielder role
More starts than Pie or platoon in CF is different than the typical 4th outfielder role.
But I should nit-pick.
I hope Nady is healthy and able to contribute significantly. If he sees lefty pitching well, that could be a big plus for 2010.
by RiskyBusiness on Jan 26, 2010 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
I disagree.
Johnson was part of a CF platoon in 2008, whereas he would be the defensive replacement in 2010. He couldn’t platoon with Byrd or Soriano, because they all hit right handed.
I think the key here ...
is that Nady is the most versatile defensively in a way that suits the Cubs. None of the other likely options can really play first. Granted, Johnson can play CENTER, but the Cubs have three guys on the roster — Byrd, Fuld and Kosuke — who can do that.
Personally — and if the money were equal — I would have gone with Dye, then Gomes, then Nady. But that’s only because of Nady’s injury history. Nady, if healthy, could be the best player of the guys still out there.
Of course, if the money were equal, you would have taken Hudson ;)
I like the pickup, mainly because its only a year.
oh, definitely!
But that’s because I have no confidence in Mike Fontenot, and I think Lou will overuse him (instead of Baker) to get more lefty-righty balance.
I get your logic there
Hopefully Lou is smarter than we both fear. On the other hand, a new manager usually only costs a few million, right?
I hope Lou is smarter than that
Also, the money-being-equal argument isn’t all that valid. I’d be amazed if Hudson signs for $3.3 million plus incentives.
This should give you pause
from the July 2, 2009 AP article on Nady:
Yankees outfielder Xavier Nady will have ligament replacement surgery on his right elbow after re-injuring it during a minor league rehab game.
The Yankees announced Wednesday that Nady’s second Tommy John operation will be done July 8. Nady also had the surgery in 2001.
2 Tommy John’s?? This could be Chad Fox with a bat in his hands.
right ...
though I wonder how his arm will be in right …
The 2nd TJ surgery is what concerns be about Nady.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jan 26, 2010 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
he also wasnt pitching
the two times he blew out the elbow before…
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jan 26, 2010 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
If his arm is not
in a sling at the news conference, that would be a good sign.
by RiskyBusiness on Jan 26, 2010 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
I would have liked Dye
that way he would be the DH at the cell and rip Ozzie its always fun to see him pissed, and second only 24 days till pitchers and catchers report!!! Come on I need baseball now
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Decent bat off bench
Not a strikeout machine so he should be OK as a PH too…if he’s passable inRF then it’s a good deal as Kouske just cannot get the job done against lefties and needs a platoon partner.
This pretty much locks up Fuld as 5th OF to back up Sori and Byrd.
Has Nady always been a RF? Don’t remember him as a fielder, but as a pretty strong hitter for Pitt and NYY.
One of these days the Cubs will actually develop a good OF again…wonder when/who that will be?
He played right field and 1st base with the Pirates.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jan 26, 2010 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
I think this is a good signing.
This gives Kosuke a good platoon partner in the OF, that way, we won’t be leaning on Dome too much against LH pitchers.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 26, 2010 1:47 PM CST reply actions
If he passes the physical
I wonder what number he’ll take. He was #22 last year as a Yankee and since Gorzelanny already has it, it’s not available unless Gorzo gives it up. Hope he goes up to #23 instead of down to #21. If I were the Cubs, I’d make #21 unavailable for a while. It clearly hasn’t been such a lucky number.
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by cubbiebluekdawg on Jan 26, 2010 2:13 PM CST reply actions
Oops
"That's the beauty of baseball. You never know what's going to happen until you get that final out." –Lou Piniella
by cubbiebluekdawg on Jan 26, 2010 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
Don’t know how that managed to slip my mind.
"That's the beauty of baseball. You never know what's going to happen until you get that final out." –Lou Piniella
by cubbiebluekdawg on Jan 26, 2010 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
Of course, we might see #23 back in the clubhouse
next year…
"What a lot of people don’t see is the tremendous amount of progress that has been made in the organization over the last few years. We have a lot of very talented guys coming up through the system. Jim has built an incredible scouting organization." - Tom Ricketts
Tyler Colvin is wearing 21 this year....
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 26, 2010 2:34 PM CST up reply actions
Oh
That’s odd, ESPN has him listed as wearing #19. Though I’ll take the info on the Cubs’ website over the info on ESPN.com.
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by cubbiebluekdawg on Jan 26, 2010 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
Al had a list of the 40 man roster with numbers a couple weeks ago....
…that’s where I got the info.
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by carmen_fanzone on Jan 26, 2010 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
It appears that
besides the retired numbers, that it’s the same list as the Cubs’ website. Either way, I wouldn’t go near #21 right now with a 10 foot pole.
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by cubbiebluekdawg on Jan 26, 2010 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
#19 is available...just sayin'
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by cooliogirl47 on Jan 26, 2010 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
New Picture
Posting a photo of Nady working out with an exercise band is way too Mark Prior for me. Towels and exercise bands are too close in proximity. I think we need a new photo of the new acquisition.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
How about this one?
I’m sure Ted Lilly would approve…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Taffy machine malfunction leaves player helpless
Bad picture. Guess we didnt have one of him at the trough.
Glad for the deal. Lou’s not going to know what to do with all these options.
There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.
by truelinkfence on Jan 26, 2010 7:55 PM CST up reply actions
I am very pleased with this IF
Nady’s arm is still able to make the throws. That was my big concern with Nady. If he can make the throws, then he offers another versatile backup with a decent/solid bat.
Cubs got Nady for less than what Boras presented to the Yankees
(unless he gets all of his incentives, in which case that’s probably a good thing anyway).
Apparently the Yanks would have considered Nady for $3.3 million, but Boras was asking for $5 mil. Reinforces my belief that this was a fair deal.
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by Julio Zuleta's Voodoo on Jan 26, 2010 2:43 PM CST reply actions
Also lends creedance to the "we are a big market team, we pay more" theory...
… so lets keep this in mind the next time we all want to whine about overpaying. Boras and his agent buddies know who has money, and it’ll cost more for those teams to land players.
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by AndrewJStone on Jan 26, 2010 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
Nice!
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I hate you for that
It’s raining here in lovely SoCal. Come on back home and enjoy it!
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by cooliogirl47 on Jan 26, 2010 6:13 PM CST up reply actions
nady
Wow… it finally took til damn near February, but the Cubs finally did something half-way intelligent this offseason. Way to GETITDONE Jim.
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Boom.
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by AndrewJStone on Jan 26, 2010 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
I'm opposed to the third year
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jan 26, 2010 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
yes
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by jameslcrockett on Jan 26, 2010 11:23 PM CST up reply actions
Not a big fan of Rudy Jaramillo?
Or Greg Maddux?
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by dat cubfan daver on Jan 26, 2010 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
Boom.
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by AndrewJStone on Jan 26, 2010 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
Greg Maddux is an assistant GM, not sure how much that's going to help the team this season
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jan 26, 2010 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
not sure if he will directly assist the mlb team
Hendry kind of stressed at the Cubs Convention that Maddux’s main role will be with minor league development. The most that Maddux would do on a major league level is make suggestions to Hendry about certain players in and out of the organization that Hendry should take a look at.
He's going to be working with players in spring training.
And that wasn’t really the point anyway.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jan 27, 2010 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
no
intelligent would be firing Larry Rothschild… not signing Texas’ park-aided hitting “guru” whose team never won jack.
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by jameslcrockett on Jan 26, 2010 11:24 PM CST up reply actions
not to mention how many of his hitters were jacked up on steroids.
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by jameslcrockett on Jan 26, 2010 11:28 PM CST up reply actions
How many?
Proof?
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by Shanghai Badger on Jan 27, 2010 9:20 AM CST up reply actions
Who needs proof...
… when you’ve got wild speculation and unsubstantiated rumor mongering?
Jeesh, Shanghai… you are NO FUN!
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by AndrewJStone on Jan 27, 2010 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
Palmeiro, Canseco, Gonzalez
all there under Jaramillo’s watch. All three have been listed as PED users. That’s not unsubstantiated or rumor mongering. And please don’t tell me you refute Ballpark at Arlington is a hitter’s haven, just because you’re trying to take shots at me.
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by jameslcrockett on Jan 27, 2010 7:17 PM CST up reply actions
oh yeah...
i forgot about Alex Rodriguez. I watched him grow up here in Seattle. Then he went to Texas and started popping steroids… without those guys and the cozy setting of the Ballpark at Arlington, nobody cares who Rudy Jaramillo is.
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by jameslcrockett on Jan 28, 2010 5:40 AM CST up reply actions
We'll see
I’m not saying he’s a panacea – far from it; I think the hoopla surrounding his hiring was over the top. But that doesn’t mean he won’t be ok.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jan 28, 2010 9:17 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not sure i buy this argument.
Those who know better may be able to back me up (or may shoot me down) but wouldn’t it stand to reason that a hitting coach and the roids would be two entirely separate things?
One refines swing, gives advice and guidance, all that.
The other makes you huge.
Being huge doesn’t mean you can hit a ball.
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by AndrewJStone on Jan 28, 2010 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
Well, I must admit...
…that is a pretty long list of reputed PED users associated with Jaramillo. But it’s still all circumstantial, and I think far too many fans are exaggerating just how hitter-friendly Arlington is.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jan 28, 2010 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
Pudge is another one
Wait for it....POUND SAND Without me this board is Al Yellon talking to himself.....................by BLou
I still do not get all the Rothschild hatred
He gets all the blame when a pitcher does poorly and none of the credit when a pitcher does well.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jan 27, 2010 9:20 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Easy target.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jan 27, 2010 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
Indeed.
And that’s what we strive for here at BCB – lowest common denominator.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jan 27, 2010 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
Larry Rothschild hate.
It’s the fart joke of BCB.
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Hey, you finally updated your Cubs blog!
With stuff about poker…
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by dat cubfan daver on Jan 27, 2010 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
there’s some baseball stuff too. I write about a lot of things. I write about things that inspire me. I had to look elsewhere for inspiration, after some turmoil in my life. I turned to my poker successes. When the Cubs start inspiring me again, I’ll write about them.
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by jameslcrockett on Jan 28, 2010 5:42 AM CST up reply actions
Sorry to see Bradley gone?
Or Aaron Miles?
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by Shanghai Badger on Jan 26, 2010 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
Aaaaaaannnnndddddd boom.
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by AndrewJStone on Jan 26, 2010 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
Has nothing to do with that...
… jameslcrockett wanted to contend that this was the first time Hendry “did something half-way intelligent this offseason”.
That was clearly incorrect. Here are three perfect examples. I support the moves themselves, although i disagree with other things Hendry has done this off-season.
Shades of gray, dude. Shades of gray. I don’t have to fully love or hate the guy, even if this IS the internet.
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by AndrewJStone on Jan 26, 2010 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
yay! He's sort of fixing his mistakes!
by acquiring one of the worst pitchers in baseball. And getting rid of Bradley was a no-brainer, it wasn’t some incredibly smart move
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jan 26, 2010 8:01 PM CST up reply actions
… jameslcrockett wanted to contend that this was the first time Hendry "did something half-way intelligent this offseason".
That was clearly incorrect. Here are three perfect examples.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jan 26, 2010 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
if that was all..
then yes I would be… but that ain’t all that happened right?
To get Miles gone (and still having to pay some of his salary), we lost Jake Fox and only gained a middle reliever. That’s a net loss.
To get Bradley gone… had to take on Silva… that’s a net loss for me, regardless of the cash.
Both teams the Cubs traded with made out better in the deals than they did.
Just cutting them would have been a better move.
And no I don’t like committing to Byrd. I think Sam Fuld would have done as much for far less money and commitment. He’s a neutral move… except he’s BACKLOADED! Therefore, he’s going to hurt the Cubs later… when they have the money to spend now… that they’re not spending.
So that’s just stupid twice!
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by jameslcrockett on Jan 26, 2010 11:20 PM CST up reply actions
I like Fuld, but...
… he’s not a fulltime player. As a 4th or 5th OF? Sure.
And you have shown no evidence that the Cubs have money to spend that they’re not spending. In fact, Byrd’s deal will be a much smaller portion of the whole two years from now, when the Cubs will have a lot of deals coming off the books in the next two years.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Fuld vs Byrd
Fuld has shown more potential to help a team than Byrd has. He’s mediocre at best. Fuld showed last year he could get on base and play defense… two things the Cubs desperately. Byrd hasn’t done squat in his major-league career, yet the Cubs saw fit to hand him a three-year deal.
If he was any good, the Phillies wouldn’t have dumped him… the Nationals definitely wouldn’t have dumped him and he wouldn’t have had to beg for a job this year until the Cubs got desperate.
Until you show me any evidence that Byrd isn’t a one-year fluke, helped by Texas effect, I’ll take Fuld. Care to dispute just how horrible a player he has been offensively away from Texas? Even in his best season in a contract year, he still hit like crap outside of Texas.
I would immediately place Fuld in the lineup as the team’s leadoff hitter and just see what happens. The guy had a .409 obp last year. I don’t know what more you wanted him to do.
Furthermore… I choose not to believe my team can’t afford a payroll as big as any other team in baseball… because when I get offered kool-aid, I pass. Cubs fans put just as much heart and money into our team as any in baseball… we deserve better.
Stop calling me negative just because you don’t like it and choose not to accept the facts. The Cubs do dumb things, I just have the guts and integrity to say so. When they do half-way decent things like signing Xavier Nady, I say that too.
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by jameslcrockett on Jan 27, 2010 8:43 AM CST up reply actions
Oh, brother
Yeah, if Sandberg was any good, the Phillies wouldn’t have dumped HIM, either.
And if you think they can afford a payroll like the Yankees, you have no grasp of economics.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jan 27, 2010 9:24 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I thought I remembered reading some good posts by jlcrockett in the past.
This argument here is mind-boggling.
Briefly…
Byrd’s had more than one good year.
Fuld has very limited ML playing time. Fuld hasn’t proven much of anything. And I’m more pro-Fuld than most.
And from your post above – how can getting cash for taking Silva be worse than cutting Bradley and not getting the cash? We dropped Vizcaino last year when he still had a 0 ERA, so don’t tell me we’ll play Silva because of his contract.
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by DGU on Jan 27, 2010 9:28 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jan 27, 2010 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, and I think that was Sonny Crockett.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jan 27, 2010 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
what year?
go ahead… what years would you call good years? His rookie season? Sure, I’ll give you that. Of course, two years later the Phillies shipped him off for Endy Chavez, and the Nationals didn’t even keep him long after that.
Last year he had a .322 OBP on the road… in his career season. And that’s right along his career norms on the road.
His 2008 773 OPS on the road was the best in his career. Is that a good number for you?
Byrd has had lots of chances… and he’s proven himself no more than mediocre in his best years.
If the Cubs cut Silva tomorrow, it’s a net gain. I’ve said that 100 times before and I keep hoping I don’t have to repeat it again. Every time I read they are going to count on Silva for something, I cringe. When I stop reading things like that, I’ll start giving them credit for the move… and letting Milton Bradley stop them from doing anything this offseason.
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by jameslcrockett on Jan 27, 2010 7:07 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe...
… just maybe… we should see him pitch before we cut him.
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by AndrewJStone on Jan 28, 2010 12:14 AM CST up reply actions
Who is counting on Silva to do anything?
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by Shanghai Badger on Jan 28, 2010 9:18 AM CST up reply actions
Might I humbly suggest...
…you start looking at wOBA and wRC+? Here’s how Byrd’s last three years break down (wOBA, wRC+, WAR):
2009: .345, 108, 2.4
2008: .370, 125, 3.6
2007: .350, 110, 2.6
He’s been above league average three years running now. No one is going to call the guy an All Star, but he deserves better than to be labeled “mediocre.” I believe he was absolutely the right call once Granderson and Cameron were off the table.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jan 28, 2010 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
Fuld has shown more potential to help a team than Byrd has. He’s mediocre at best. Fuld showed last year he could get on base and play defense… two things the Cubs desperately. Byrd hasn’t done squat in his major-league career, yet the Cubs saw fit to hand him a three-year deal.
Marlon Byrd has a career .340 OBP and has had a 100+ OPS+ for the past three years. Fuld has a .403 OBP and a 104 OPS+ in two years with the Cubs.
One big difference? Fuld’s SLG is .388, Byrd’s is .422.
Byrd’s got a career .2 UZR in CF (4226.1 innings), which, while not fantastic, is a lot better than Fuld’s -4.6 (and yes, Fuld has a small sample size of 162.2 innings).
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 27, 2010 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
btw...
i don’t want him to be a full-time player either. I wanted a platoon of Fuld and Reed Johnson. I wanted to give that a chance before committing to a mediocre player such as Marlon Byrd. He’s just not good, and now the Cubs are on the hook for him for three years.
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by jameslcrockett on Jan 28, 2010 5:44 AM CST up reply actions
unless...
he proves he can play every day, that is. I’m always for a player proving me wrong. Unfortunately, I can’t say the last time a Hendry move worked when I said it wouldn’t. I’d be happy to say I’m wrong any time, any place.
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by jameslcrockett on Jan 28, 2010 5:45 AM CST up reply actions
He proved he could play full time last season - 146 games.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jan 28, 2010 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
last year in center field
Reed Johnson had an UZR of -1.2. Too small a sample size?
His career UZR in CF: -12.9. Reed Johnson is highly overrated by Cubs fans.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 28, 2010 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
How would paying LESS for Silva be a net gain over cutting Bradley???
Silva could be released yet.
And if Jake Fox is such a superstar in waiting, why couldn’t they get anything else for him?
Ah, the rallying cry of backloaded…Byrd’s total compensation isn’t so onerus that they couldn’t move him after one year.
Sheesh. . . I’m not even a Hendry advocate, but your predisposition to blast anything he does is making me defend him.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jan 27, 2010 9:22 AM CST up reply actions
*NOT be a net gain
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by Shanghai Badger on Jan 27, 2010 9:23 AM CST up reply actions
Come on...
and if Silva’s released, then it’s a net gain. I’ve made that point so many times, I’m not bothering to again. I have no faith or confidence they’ll do so. Just as I have no confidence you bother reading everything someone has to say. You pick and choose depending on what you believe in regardless of whether something makes sense. You can defend whoever you want. I’m sure not making you do a damn thing.
Those that bring up Luis Vizcaino can do so all you want, but they had far less invested in Vizcaino than they do in Silva. How they dealt with Vizcaino should give you even less confidence in their ability to do the right thing in any situation.
I never said Jake Fox was a superstar in waiting. Jake Fox was an asset to this team, just like he’s an asset to his new team, who gave up nothing to get him. They’ll also be paying far less for Aaron Miles than the Cubs did to suck for them… but they’ll probably just cut him, anyway.
I know why the Cubs didn’t get fair value for Jake Fox. For the same reason we didn’t get fair value for Michael Wuertz, Mark DeRosa, Jason Marquis, Jose Ceda, Garrett Olson, Felix Pie… it’s the combination of desperation and an incompetent front office.
God… let’s use the Jake Fox example on Marlon Byrd. If Marlon Byrd was so great… why didn’t he get more from some other team? You can say that about any move good or bad… it proves nothing.
I agree that the average value of Byrd’s contract isn’t onerus. He’d still make a decent backup at that level, because he makes for a pretty decent defensive backup. But outside of Texas, the guy has never, ever hit, and the Cubs didn’t sign him to be a backup. He’s not going to hit in the first year of his contract when he’s undervalued… he’s not going to hit in the last two years of his contract when nobody else would want him for that price.
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by jameslcrockett on Jan 27, 2010 6:53 PM CST up reply actions
jake fox is a DH who cant hit breaking balls
give it a rest
by jesus christos on Jan 27, 2010 7:01 PM CST up reply actions
once again:
Marlon Byrd has a career .340 OBP and has had a 100+ OPS+ for the past three years. Fuld has a .403 OBP and a 104 OPS+ in two years with the Cubs.
One big difference? Fuld’s SLG is .388, Byrd’s is .422.
Byrd’s got a career .2 UZR in CF (4226.1 innings), which, while not fantastic, is a lot better than Fuld’s -4.6 (and yes, Fuld has a small sample size of 162.2 innings).
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 27, 2010 7:07 PM CST up reply actions
I know those numbers.
They’re very nitpicky. My numbers tell a better story. Byrd’s SLG% on the road in his career is .393. I already said what his career road OBP is. When he puts up those number for the Cubs are you going to be all warm and fuzzy about it then? Looks a lot like Sam Fuld’s numbers… and Sam Fuld will bring OBP and speed to the party. If Fuld gets exposed at the MLB level, at least they didn’t drop $5 million per year on a three year deal on him. I’ve wanted them to give Sam Fuld a chance since last year… and your numbers to dissuade that, because they don’t tell the whole story.
Do you want me to post this underneath your other previous post since you didn’t wait to give me the chance to respond there?
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by jameslcrockett on Jan 27, 2010 7:14 PM CST up reply actions
giving fuld the starting job after 103 major league ABs
is stupider than handing fontenot the starting job last year
by jesus christos on Jan 27, 2010 7:18 PM CST up reply actions
they're nitpicky???
.340 CAREER OBP. .2 CAREER UZR in CF 100+ OPS+ for the past three years in a row. How is that NITPICKY???
Byrd brings better SLG and MUCH better CF defense.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 27, 2010 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
better
5 points of SLG% is what you’re going to rest your case on? You need to consider his extreme home/road splits before you advocate his worth.
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by jameslcrockett on Jan 27, 2010 7:29 PM CST up reply actions
furthermore
answer this and stop nitpicking…
is .322 road OBP acceptable you? If he puts up that kind of number on the road for the Cubs, will you consider him a success? Wrigley Field != Ballpark at Arlington. If you’re expecting him to put up those numbers here, you better be willing to come back disappointed and say you were wrong.
I know I am if Byrd even turns into a mediocre hitter away from Texas.
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by jameslcrockett on Jan 27, 2010 7:32 PM CST up reply actions
we’ll see what happens. His numbers are better than Fuld’s, and we don’t even know if Fuld could stand up for an entire season.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 27, 2010 8:26 PM CST up reply actions
well...
good luck with that. We know Marlon Byrd can’t stand up for a full season outside of Texas. We know that because the numbers say so… and you’ve provided absolutely no evidence to say otherwise.
Sam Fuld won’t get the chance to prove you wrong, because we have an incompetent GM. Marlon Byrd will get every chance to prove I’m wrong, and I hope he does.
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by jameslcrockett on Jan 28, 2010 5:48 AM CST up reply actions
We know that?
He did it in Philadelphia. And he doesn’t necessarily need to play 162 – or even 150 – games. That’s what your buddy Sam Fuld is for.
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 28, 2010 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
you really need to cal down
you are picking up the negative, bullcrap, over the top, inaccurate rants that Blou has stopped tossing.
Wait for it....POUND SAND Without me this board is Al Yellon talking to himself.....................by BLou
If he Cal's down
Will he stop Ripken on the Cubs?
:)
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jan 28, 2010 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
DOH
Wait for it....POUND SAND Without me this board is Al Yellon talking to himself.....................by BLou
we know
nothing of the sort. He’s played in over 100 games in the following years:
2003 (135)
2004 (106)
2006 (124 split between AAA and MLB)
2007 (155 split between AAA and MLB)
2008 (122)
2009 (146)
So except for 2004 and 2005, he’s played in over 120 games in every single season.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 28, 2010 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
Really. You think Byrd is a better CF than Fuld??????
I would start Byrd as well for his offense, but COME ON!
I don't think it.
I know it. Look at the numbers. It’s very clear.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 28, 2010 11:21 PM CST up reply actions
Some weird fielding stat that only the stat geeks care about.
Most people who watch games can see that Fuld was an awesome fielder last year and Byrd is a LF waiting to happen.
Byrd will be fine in the short term, but if possible, I would rather see Fuld than him Byrd in CF in the 9th inning with a 1 run lead. But then again Fuld’s job at that point will be to replace a much worse fielder than Byrd in LF- Soriano.
youre right
i am sure you spent oodles of time following the rangers last year
by jesus christos on Jan 30, 2010 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
I have seen Byrd play
He is fine but nowhere near Fuld on defense.
I am trying to remember anybody raving about that “defensive wizard Marlon Byrd.”
But we did see Sam Fuld on quite a few highlight shows didn’t we?
Believe what you want…..Do you think Sori is a good fielder too?
Whatever, chief
When you post comments like, “if he was any good, the Phillies wouldn’t have dumped him”, you lose credibilty.
Sorry if I haven’t taken the time to read every single one of your comments, but I don’t think that I’m obligated to respond to every one of them.
Getting money for a player is a net gain over just releasing that player. If you can’t understand that, there’s no point in continuing to discuss.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jan 28, 2010 9:20 AM CST up reply actions
wish we kept Gregg and Heilmann
Wait for it....POUND SAND Without me this board is Al Yellon talking to himself.....................by BLou
i’m not going to give credit to Hendry for doing nothing about his past screw ups. Nothing concerning Gregg and Heilman were intelligent… especially when he didn’t even do anything to replace him.
What? you want me to say it was smart for him to NOT give three years to Brandon Lyon?
Great… you’re smarter than Ed Wade. Awesome!
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by jameslcrockett on Jan 26, 2010 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
Moving the goalposts
You started by saying he hadn’t done anything good before Nady…when presented with evidence to the contrary, you have decided to argue something different.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jan 27, 2010 9:25 AM CST up reply actions
exactly
he ignored all the good moves, since they dont support his opinion
Wait for it....POUND SAND Without me this board is Al Yellon talking to himself.....................by BLou
no...
what moves have I ignored? I don’t think any of them are good, and I’ve said why for the many reasons they aren’t. Just because you guys keep bringing up moves that are bad for different reasons, doesn’t make the reasons any less valid… sure doesn’t make them good. Because you guys can’t come up with a reason why they’re good that would make me want to go to any other site and baseball and brag about the move.
Hendry didn’t fix the Milton Bradley problem… he replaced him with another problem. And when he signed MB from Texas #2, he lit fire to whatever savings came in the Bradley deal.
I don’t have any respect for Rudy Jaramillo. I hope I’m wrong, but he’s just a hitting coach anyway. I could care less about who the hitting coach is. I’ve always believed the pitching coach matters much more… and I’ve never, ever been a fan of Larry Rothschild. I think he gets the least out of an incredibly talented staff.
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by jameslcrockett on Jan 28, 2010 5:37 AM CST up reply actions
the long list above that we posted to you as a reply
care to try again?
Wait for it....POUND SAND Without me this board is Al Yellon talking to himself.....................by BLou
Didn't do anything to replace whom?
We got Jeff Gray in the Fox/Miles deal, remember? He essentially replaces Heilman. And there was no need to replace Gregg.
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 27, 2010 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
Considering...
Kevin Gregg “replaced” Kerry Wood… you’re wrong there. The Cubs still need to replace Kerry Wood.
And if you say Carlos Marmol does that… then the Cubs need to “replace” Carlos Marmol.
I will be grateful to say I’m wrong when Jeff Gray does the job Heilman should have done last year. I will also be ecstatic when they bring in Kiko Calero. If both guys are given a shot and they don’t work out, you won’t find me here saying they didn’t at least try.
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by jameslcrockett on Jan 27, 2010 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
but you continue to change how you want to argue it
Wait for it....POUND SAND Without me this board is Al Yellon talking to himself.....................by BLou
Have you seen Wood's 2009 stats?
They were pretty mediocre.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jan 28, 2010 9:22 AM CST up reply actions
Angel Guzman could be considered Marmol's replacement as set-up guy.
But let’s see what else happens in the pen. The Cubs have a ton of young arms – any one of which could fill that role.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jan 28, 2010 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
Why weren't the Cubs ever in discussions for Rick Ankiel?
It seems like he and Nady are the same player from different sides of the plate, though Ankiel is capable of playing CF.
Proud recipient of a hot dog shot from the Iowa Cubs hot dog gun.
I believe they talked to him
But opted for Byrd, instead. After that, the Cubs needed a right-handed bat to platoon with Kosuke, ruling Ankiel out.
You gotta wonder if this signing...
Is more of insurance in case Soriano has a Soriano injury.
Proud recipient of a hot dog shot from the Iowa Cubs hot dog gun.
i think nady is more of an injury threat than soriano
by jesus christos on Jan 26, 2010 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
Good point...
but the depth is nice.
Proud recipient of a hot dog shot from the Iowa Cubs hot dog gun.
Nady is or can be ...
1) A right-handed platoon partner for Kosuke (ruling out Ankiel)
2) Insurance against a Soriano injury (somewhat ruling out Reed, because he lacks power)
3) A backup for Lee at first (ruling out Gomes and Johnson and making Dye less attractive because he has less experience than Nady at first)
4) An affordable option who was willing to take a part-time rule (further ruling out Dye)
5) A decent defensive outfielder (further ruling out Dye)
Nady, of course, is a bigger injury risk. But he has those pluses that the other guys just didn’t have.
by elgato on Jan 26, 2010 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And if it doesn't stay attached...
…you’ll still give Hendry a thumbs up and high five – but with Nady’s arm.
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 26, 2010 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
that's when the fun begins...
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 26, 2010 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
PLORP!
every time he basket catches a fly ball… PLORP!
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 26, 2010 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
the actual pink tissue at his shoulder joint is just disturbing
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jan 26, 2010 4:40 PM CST up reply actions
I had to google that picture
the dude’s name is actually “Arm Falloff Boy”
Holy crap
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jan 26, 2010 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
...
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
@Twitter as @brommmietze
I'm gonna have to agree
I know my mind wanders quite a bit… but his “shoulder” doesn’t really seem right.
Though the sound effect is “PLORP”… which is close to “POOP”.
"This next song... it's about the White Sox. It's called: F*** Em'." - Eddie Vedder
The sound effect "PLORP" is usually made by poop. Coincidence?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 26, 2010 6:16 PM CST up reply actions
Strange...
I just got the feeling of chilly water splashing up from under my chair.
"This next song... it's about the White Sox. It's called: F*** Em'." - Eddie Vedder
I'm giving it to him as I type this...
Okay now, COUGH!
Proud recipient of a hot dog shot from the Iowa Cubs hot dog gun.
ladies and gentelmen ...
your 2010 Cy Young Award Winner, Rich Hill.
I thought the CY Young
Was going to Carlos Silva
In which league?
Certainly not MLB, I think.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 26, 2010 5:55 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, sure.
Throw this in our faces. How dare you, sir. How dare you.
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 26, 2010 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
Figures, he'll have one more good season and it's with you guys.
at daver's request, Let's frontload this B**ch!
"and in response the cubs trade to reacquire aaron heilman"
by jesus christos on Jan 26, 2010 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
Mark Prior
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jan 26, 2010 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
you should change your sig...
….to t-shirts, hoodies, and pitchers who can’t throw strikes on CLEARANCE.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jan 26, 2010 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
That's funny.
Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.
No guarantee he'll even make the team.
Carpenter, Wainwright, Lohse, and two other spots. I don’t think he’s going to fit in the StL rotation.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 26, 2010 5:56 PM CST up reply actions
You forgot Brad Penny
We essentially have 3 left handed starters trying out for the last spot
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 26, 2010 6:39 PM CST up reply actions
Only if he plays every day instead of Byrd.
I think Nady’s a much better choice to protect Ramirez in the line-up, don’t you? But hey, here’s to Ramirez walking 150 times this year with Byrd or Soriano batting behind him.
you want Kosuke back in center ...
And Nady in right?
nope
they signed Byrd… better just play him. He’ll be alright defensively and won’t kill them with the stick. But they better not hit him in a prime production spot until he proves his offense wasn’t just Texas effect.
Nady should get a lot of at-bats though for Kosuke, Byrd and pinch hitting. First move Hendry’s made this offseason with absolutely nothing anybody could look down on.
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by jameslcrockett on Jan 26, 2010 11:36 PM CST up reply actions
I think the subs need a new SS, if anything.
While I think Nady will be helpful, We should be looking for a replacement at SS. With the potential out of Colvin and Fuld, and the defensive capabilities of Fuku, the potential offense of Sori, and the new addition to Byrd, our OF is fine. For infield, the corners are obviously secure, being Dlee and Rami. I htink Baker and Fonty will be good at 2nd. What the D lacks his a better defender at SS, Riot is a good batter, usually, but lead the team in errors ’09 and was 2nd in ’08. I will admit the Error argument could be weak, since Rami was #2 and #1 respectively (at least he hits [hard[)
My sick twisted hope
Alfonso Soriano lands on the DL for the season, Xavier Nady proves healthy and the Cubs find themselves with a distinct upgrade in the outfield and win more games as a result.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Yeah, that'd be way better...
… than a healthy Soriano kicking ass for the season. Wouldn’t want to hope for the BEST possible outcome, would we?
Dum spiro spero... | Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on Jan 26, 2010 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
He did admit that it was sick and twisted
Probably because, well, it is sick and twisted. Once again BLou proves what a true fan he is, hope that the starting left fielder who struggled last year gets injured rather than gets better.
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
Starting left fielder and highest paid player.
He’ll probably wish an injury on the “juvenile and childish Zambrano” next.
Dum spiro spero... | Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on Jan 26, 2010 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
We lost all those games last year because of our defense?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 26, 2010 5:51 PM CST up reply actions
The guess hitting hack with the telephone pole bat is in severe decline
He loses a nanosecond of bat speed and his career will be Andruw Jones style drop off the cliff. Hence why I really like the addition of Xavier Nady.
You kool-aid drinkers can pretend Soriano is actually a good ballplayer.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
What do you drink, BLou?
Dum spiro spero... | Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on Jan 26, 2010 5:58 PM CST up reply actions
Kool-aid?
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 26, 2010 5:58 PM CST up reply actions
BLou views those that drink Kool-aid as the lowest form of being.
Dum spiro spero... | Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on Jan 26, 2010 5:59 PM CST up reply actions
Aren't you the same loser that proclaimed partaking in meth?
Perspective baby. It’s a beautiful thing.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Yup.
Me and meth, best of friends.
Heh.
Dum spiro spero... | Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on Jan 26, 2010 6:02 PM CST up reply actions
I actually got curious about what gave BLou this impression, so i dug a little...
… and came up with this conversation with Vermont Cubs Fan.
I’m fond of this rumor. I hope it gains legs.
I do meth. Pass it on.
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by AndrewJStone on Jan 26, 2010 7:22 PM CST up reply actions
Had to look that up.
I still remember the exceedingly odd word choice there.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 26, 2010 7:26 PM CST up reply actions
Thats what meth will do.
Dum spiro spero... | Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on Jan 26, 2010 7:29 PM CST up reply actions
your weight loss
is an indication you do meth.
So is your weight gain.
Losing your hair? Meth.
Not losing your hair? METH!
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 27, 2010 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
One of the biggest meth busts ever to go down...
… west of the Mississippi, was in a bait shop less than half a mile from my high school when i was in 10th grade.
I suspect that’s where i picked up the habit.
Dum spiro spero... | Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on Jan 27, 2010 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
Hi… I’d like some worms, and a few lures, and hey, what do you have in the meth department today?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 27, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
the climate alarmist's method!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 27, 2010 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
Well then,
he should drink a lot of it.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 26, 2010 6:41 PM CST up reply actions
Reality
THe Luvable Losers among you can delight in false hope and sugar plums all you want.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
I ask you this in all seriousness.
If you find so little joy in this, why not tune out till you believe the team can win?
Dum spiro spero... | Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on Jan 26, 2010 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
He will never believe the team can win...
unless the team you’re talking about is the Boston Red Sox, Chicago White Sox, New York Yankees or St. Louis Cardinals. Also maybe the Minnesota Twins.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 26, 2010 6:05 PM CST up reply actions
Don't forget the Brewers
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 27, 2010 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
I can forget the Brewers if I want to.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 27, 2010 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
The assholes among you can delight in being wrong all the time.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 26, 2010 6:04 PM CST up reply actions
If you dislike us, and so many of our opinions,
Why do you come here so often?
If you dislike the Cubs so much, why do you come by to complain every day? Why do you always complain when the Cubs lose, but disappear when the Cubs win?
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 26, 2010 6:42 PM CST up reply actions
It's his job to make sure the idiots here know they're idiots.
He’s on a mission from God.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 26, 2010 6:43 PM CST up reply actions
Better not
ol Pete will take it as a personal attack
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jan 27, 2010 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
No, this was meant as a reply to
I can forget the Brewers if I want to. As I’ve told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 27, 2010 12:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But it would be kind of funny.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jan 28, 2010 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
This is why
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
@Twitter as @brommmietze
No, we didn't
Our offense was either offensive or AWOL for part of last year, particularly on the road.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 26, 2010 5:58 PM CST up reply actions
Am I seeing correctly?
“the Cubs … win more games …”
From BLou???? Has Hell frozen over?
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 26, 2010 5:54 PM CST up reply actions
Couldn't use the blockquote there.
For some twisted reason, it wasn’t working….
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 26, 2010 5:55 PM CST up reply actions
cubs 2009 record without soriano: 28-28
and due to Genius Jim signing marlon fatass byrd, trading bradley for a 500 lb pitching machine, having an overpaid version of jeff suppan, a dumbass enigmatic child for an “ace”, a $13 million platoon right fielder, and a 46 year old pitcher coming of shoulder surgery, this team is on pace for 173 losses even without soriano
by jesus christos on Jan 26, 2010 6:23 PM CST up reply actions
Now if you could only say that while throwing warm sauerkraut at me while a man in a Badger costume tickles my feet...
we just might have something.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 26, 2010 6:27 PM CST up reply actions
I ain't tickling your feet
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jan 26, 2010 6:38 PM CST up reply actions
I knew the second I saw that comment that you would have something to say.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 26, 2010 6:43 PM CST up reply actions
All we need is a monkey playing a fiddle and our act will be the talk of the town!
THE ARISTOCRATS!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 26, 2010 6:44 PM CST up reply actions
it'll be like when we were in first grade and had a trampoline!
by jesus christos on Jan 26, 2010 6:54 PM CST up reply actions
will there be pudding pops and RC Cola?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 26, 2010 6:56 PM CST up reply actions
Ever have a peach Nehi?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jan 26, 2010 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
sure its not a fiddle, but it is a start
Wait for it....POUND SAND Without me this board is Al Yellon talking to himself.....................by BLou
did someone say badger
Wait for it....POUND SAND Without me this board is Al Yellon talking to himself.....................by BLou
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 26, 2010 8:34 PM CST up reply actions
Is it just me?
Or is that Badger pounding sand?
"I'd rather hit home runs you don't have to run as hard." -- Dave Kingman
by BucknerKongCardenal on Jan 26, 2010 10:50 PM CST up reply actions
Looks like he's laying a loaf to me.
Needs more fiber in his diet…
Now only 12,859 on the "Cubs Season Tickets Waiting List"...
he's touching it
with his, uh…
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 27, 2010 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
You've been taking lessons from SWL, haven't you?
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 27, 2010 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
Wait a minute, BLou
Aren’t you the same guy that proclaimed in the Jonny Gomes fanshot:
Xavier Nady isn’t an option
So what happened?
Harry Caray: Marshall is going back to LA to get cocaine for his injured foot.
Steve Stone: Harry, that’s Novocaine.
by Julio Zuleta's Voodoo on Jan 27, 2010 9:07 AM CST up reply actions
the earth
revolved on it’s axis.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 27, 2010 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
(psst . . . rotated)
It revolves around the sun
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jan 27, 2010 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
darnit.
I oscillated between the two.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 27, 2010 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
Today's word: fail
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth’s_rotation
http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/6h.html
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jan 28, 2010 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
Are you this boring in real life?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jan 28, 2010 10:28 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I guess you must be
You poke around on an essentially anonymous blog looking to rile people up, refuting minutia in comments that have nothing to do with what the person is actually saying. You attack people then feign injury when something that you don’t like is posted but you can’t really refute, or if someone posts concrete evidence that contradicts something you say, you deflect or disappear from the discussion.
As I said before – life’s too short, man. Go for a walk or watch a funny movie or something. Of course, if you get your jollies thinking that you pissed someone off that you’ll never meet, well, by all means, continue.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jan 30, 2010 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
What a load of shit
Stop crying. Good luck finding “attacks” or feigned injury. Good luck finding a lot of stuff that I can’t refute. I had your pal Tim screaming in indignation, throwing insults because I said that MB bumped the ump’s hat and the idea that the ump should retreat is far fetched. Rather than being the one who can’t refute it, I was the one who went out and got the second video that clearly showed it. A bunch of people cried because I said the idea that Sori was a great defender was wrong.
And your little tale that you like to tell about “concrete” evidence that I run from is a factory farm sized pond of crap. Maybe instead of being a hector, you should engage with the notion that you aren’t superior to everyone.
You're funny
I don’t think I’m superior to ANYONE. I find your schtick tiresome, though.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jan 31, 2010 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
Platoon partner with Fukudome?
More like he should play RF every day with Fukudome in CF. Byrd is no more than an overpaid bench player. Who in their right mind would play Byrd over Nady? Wait a minute, I forgot that our manager is the same guy who played Bobby Scales in LF almost every day during the last month battle for necessary wins.
Maybe the three of them could platoon in some way.
That is what I would think is the most likely possibility.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 26, 2010 7:00 PM CST up reply actions
♪♫ You just don't get it...Mr. Grinch ♪♫
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 27, 2010 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
you make me laugh with your statements
i am sure you are Clutche, right Ray?
Wait for it....POUND SAND Without me this board is Al Yellon talking to himself.....................by BLou
I was thinkin' the same thing yesterday!
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 28, 2010 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
its funny
He is using the same logic for Fox that we saw from Clutche about Hoff
Complains about many simliar things as CLutche did
Refuses to accept facts given to him when he is dead wrong
Does not reply to the multiple claims made that he is Clutche
I am convinced that Clutche has pulled a BLou and is back under a new name.
Wait for it....POUND SAND Without me this board is Al Yellon talking to himself.....................by BLou
Yeah, the unmitigated Hoffpauir love is what tipped me off.
He probably bought BLou’s book Alternate User Names for Dummies.
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 28, 2010 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
LMAO
where is SWL with the book cover?
Wait for it....POUND SAND Without me this board is Al Yellon talking to himself.....................by BLou
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 28, 2010 11:46 PM CST up reply actions
fantastic
Wait for it....POUND SAND Without me this board is Al Yellon talking to himself.....................by BLou
Praise jesus!
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 29, 2010 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
Chad Tracy
Just saw on another blog, Cubs will announce minor league deal tomorrow.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 26, 2010 7:03 PM CST up reply actions
what?
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jan 26, 2010 8:11 PM CST up reply actions
do you actually read what you are commenting to
Chad Tracy is who we signed to a minor league deal according to the link
Wait for it....POUND SAND Without me this board is Al Yellon talking to himself.....................by BLou
Is Tracy injury prone, or did he just forget how to play baseball?
I mean, .308 with 27 homers in 2005, .281 with 20 homers in 2006, then hasn’t played more than 98 games in a season since.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jan 26, 2010 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
Average of only 87 games player per year since 2007.
No idea why that is. Maybe someone from AZ Snakepit might know.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 26, 2010 8:27 PM CST up reply actions
Ah, thanks for clarifying.
Hope he can contribute.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 26, 2010 8:33 PM CST up reply actions
Cub Killer
If I remember right. Quick check of the stats. 04 and 05 he beat us to a pulp. .450-.500 range
There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.
by truelinkfence on Jan 26, 2010 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
Diamond { BACK} in the rough
Could be like finding a diamond in the rough if Tracy can gain back 2005 form .. Hopefully he can come back from injuries . IMO is a good cheap pickup that might pan out
Better than Hoff
Tracy plays 1st base , 3rd base , and both corner outfields .. IF Tracy regains 05,06 , 07 form . This will be a great signing .
Diamond's already in our minor league system.
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 27, 2010 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
Hot damn!
Dum spiro spero... | Follow me on twitter or else: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on Jan 26, 2010 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
Land of Goshen!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 26, 2010 10:42 PM CST up reply actions
Great Googlie Mooglie
Wait for it....POUND SAND Without me this board is Al Yellon talking to himself.....................by BLou
Al, I have to say the original photo of Nady is one of the more unflattering ones you could have found.
I mean, he looks like he’s trying to turn himself into a human wishbone…
Thank God he wasn’t wearing a dress!
(shudder)
Now only 12,859 on the "Cubs Season Tickets Waiting List"...
It was the only one available through the AP photos licensed to us.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Ah. He and his agent should have a word with AP ;)
Now only 12,859 on the "Cubs Season Tickets Waiting List"...
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