Ernie Banks on Sammy Sosa: It doesn't bother me at all
Looks like the previously published article didn't include everything that Ernie said:
Ernie Banks doesn't know if Sammy Sosa used steroids to eclipse the legendary Cub's franchise home-run record -- and Banks doesn't care.
''It wouldn't bother me,'' said Banks, whose 521 home runs rank second in Cubs history to Sosa's 545 (of 609 total). ''Whatever he did, just be honest about it. I like him a lot; he's wonderful. And I'm not accusing him of anything.''
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''I don't know what he did or didn't do. But I know he hit the home runs. It doesn't bother me at all [whether steroids were involved]. But he hit the home runs for the Cubs. He created a lot of attention and great PR for the Cubs.
''I'm not saying he did no steroids. I don't know about any of that. I know there's been a lot of accusations with him and steroids. But I have no proof of that. I'm not the commissioner. All I know is I like him, and he's a wonderful player, and he hit 60 home runs three years for the Cubs. I don't care about any of this other stuff. It's totally different now than when I played.''
That COMPLETELY changes the tenor of his remarks as previously discussed.
about 2 years ago
drewishdrewid
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Yeah. It does.
Now he doesn’t sound like he’s accusing him of using them like it did before.
Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.
Thanks for posting this.
This seems much more in line with what I would expect to hear from Mr. Banks.
There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.
talk about a change in tune from one article to the next
and this seems a lot more Ernie like
Wait for it....POUND SAND Without me this board is Al Yellon talking to himself.....................by BLou
I NEVER do this
but REC THIS UP. I think a LOT of people should see it on this board, and if it’s rec’d it’ll stay up longer.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 26, 2010 9:04 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I NEVER DO THIS
BUT DON’T RECOMMEND THIS HOMER PIECE OF WRITING CRAP
BANKS IS WRONG
JUST BECAUSE YOU’RE AN ICON FOR A TEAM DOESN’T MEAN YOU’RE RIGHT 100% OF THE TIME
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
lol
it’s amazing what you’ve become.
Why is Banks to be ignored now, when he was to be praised when only some of his words were published before?
How do you negate his opinion, Dan? He’s not Fergie, the hypocrite who was suspended for cocaine use, and he’s not Bill Lee, who was simply dismissed as “stupid”.
So. You got some splainin’ to do.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 26, 2010 9:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Here's the point Drew..it carries the weight of a white chalky dog turd. Fergie, Lee, Banks, Dawson, Kathy Lee Gifford...
pick whoever you want, or don’t, none of what any of them say really amounts to anything. The guys who used or “allegedly” used aren’t going to listen or care what is said, so it’s basically useless. They can all shut up about it for all I care, and I would actually enjoy reading an interview where an old-timer answers the reporter’s question about “Random Steriod User” by saying…what difference does it make what I think about him? Who cares, next question.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 26, 2010 10:20 PM CST up reply actions
isn't that
pretty much what Banks says?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 26, 2010 11:02 PM CST up reply actions
Don't you ignore other baseball figures when they speak out with the belief that Sosa did use PEDs?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
no
I disagree with them, but I don’t dismiss their opinions out of hand as “stupid” or “dumb”.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 26, 2010 11:02 PM CST up reply actions
You're a gentleman. A simple gentleman.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 26, 2010 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
Ok, so you "disagree". Dan said Banks is "wrong", not stupid or dumb. Why isn't that allowed?
I suppose your next response will be “disagree =/= wrong”.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
You n me are like peas n carrots, Jenn-any.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
the point is, I don’t just dismiss what he’s saying simply because I disagree with what he’s saying. I also don’t dismiss what he’s saying just because he’s a ballplayer.
There’s a discussion to be had here, and some people simply refuse to accept that there might be two sides to this issue. That’s what bother’s me.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 27, 2010 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
Don't reply, Shanghai...let it go...don't do it
Dang.
Ok, here’s the thing – where did Dan say or imply that he was dismissing what Banks said because he was a ballplayer?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jan 27, 2010 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
i didn't say he did.
I’m having a general conversation.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 27, 2010 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
You kinda sorta implied it though
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jan 27, 2010 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
then I apologize.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 27, 2010 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
That's Ernie's opinion
It doesn’t bother him. Big whoop. It bothers me. That’s my opinion.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
but
Carlton Fisk is an upstanding man who we should all listen to?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 27, 2010 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
His opinion doesn't matter to me either.
"Fasten those seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Jan 27, 2010 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
Listen to your heart...
that’s what I always do.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 27, 2010 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
♪Before you tell him goodbye♫
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jan 27, 2010 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
There's a difference
I agree with Carlton’s opinion. I disagree with Ernie’s opinion. It doesn’t mean I disrespect Ernie’s right have that opinion just because I think it’s bogus.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
I'm sorry
you’ve done this, and I shouldn’t have implied you didn’t. Others, however…
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 27, 2010 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
There's a ton of knee jerking about the steroid issue
I generally try to find a middle ground on the subject where applicable. Ernie Banks and Hank Aaron are genuinely nice men that are willing to forgive transgressions like this. I give them a lot of credit for that because it’s not a popular opinion at all. It doesn’t mean I agree with them on this issue. It certainly doesn’t mean I suddenly think Carlton Fisk and Jack Clark are stand up guys because I happen to agree with an opinion they have on the steroid era. It’s ultimately of little consequence because I end up agreeing with people I don’t like sometimes.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
One of the first things you learn in a semantics course
You should be able to agree with something a person you don’t like says and disagree with something a person that you do like says.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jan 27, 2010 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
Ernie didn't like the attention he was getting for this and changed his tune.
I dismiss this as much as certain other people on this board dismissed the other version of this story.
I think he was using his eyes and saw what most of the world has seen and voiced his true opinion. Now he is backtracking because it goes away from his normal image.
I kind of liked Ernie speaking his mind for once and not being worried about what all the Kool Aid drinkers were thinking.
Well
thank god your here to tell us all what Ernie really thinks. I was worried TJ11 wouldn’t show up and give us insight into someone elses thoughts.
Whewww, huge weight lifted off my shoulders. Thank you so much TJ11.
I have read both articles.
They were posted one day apart. You think Banks gave two interviews in two days and did a complete about face on the issue?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 27, 2010 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
he changed his tune?
I think you’re going to have to provide proof that he changed what he was saying. The original post included some of the exact same verbiage. It appears to be more apparent that the original article left some of what Banks said out.
The koolaide drinkers on this issue are the one who insist that there can be no discussion about it.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 27, 2010 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
You are so full of it
An artlicle comes out that changes what he says the other day and now he is right. You are a joke.
The reason its listed here is because its so different than the other one.
I refer you
to my above comment. Two articles, one day apart.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 27, 2010 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
Im sure
Ernie doesnt give a damn what you think of him. Its obvious he has always liked Sosa, and rightfully so. I mean, being as Sosa was and still is one of the greatest cubs of all time and everything.
This
is just a game, for entertainment, why should they have to go by what idiot fans like you think.
No matter how much you want it to be so, this game was never been and never will be clean.
Not
fake at all, but if you want i guess all the stats should be wiped clean from the beginning and we should all start over. Because players have cheated since this game was created.
And
on top of all, certain PEDs werent even illigal in the game so those players werent actually cheating.
Sosa
provided some of the best entertainment any of us have ever seen in the game, you can say he cheated and that you don’t like him, but if you tell me that what he did for the game doesnt matter to you than your just a damn tool.
I never
said they should do it, i just said that it shouldnt take away from their accomplishments.
Point out exactly where I said that people should do it.
Cant find it can you?
condone =\= promote
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 27, 2010 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
you seem to think
that Banks controls what the papers/blogs/websites write.
If it was ONE interview, then the two articles, written by two different people, had VERY different takes — and the earlier one, that Al posted, left out a SIGNIFICANT amount of commentary from Ernie.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 27, 2010 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
Poor Sammy
It’s about time somebody stood up and defended the one clean 60+ home run guy of the steroids era.
It’s a true tragedy that the magnitude of Sammy’s accomplishments have to be clouded by the the simple coincidence that he had his monster years when everybody else was cheating.
Yea
Its kind of weird how some players have big bursts in power for no reason, like say Ryne Sandberg.
Huh?
Im just throwing accusations out there with no evidence. Sound familiar?
You know if I said something like that Drew and Andy would be all over it.
Lets see if it happens now…..
I thought about putting up a big protest but you are not worth it.
You are a fool if you think Sandberg was on something.
Haha
All I am saying is if your going to accuse Sosa of using, you might as well accuse Sandberg because theres the same amount of evidence for both. (None)
Ummm
neither did Sosa’s. Thats kind of impossible.
Yes
I deny it, show me the head measurements and I’ll tell you that your right. lol
Yes and you make lots of excuses for steroids and Sosa.
And as far as him being a great player….sorry he wasn’t….
He wasn't?
You are in complete denial. What planet are you living on where Sammy Sosa wasn’t a great player. No really, please entertain me with your ridiculous ideas on what kind of player he was.
He also seemed to a prima donna to the other players
Why do you think his teammates smashed his radio?
Was that because he walked out on his team in a hissy fit or did they not like him before?
Outside of the HR's he didn't do much more than strike out and play bad defense.
He also wasn’t much in the clutch. I used to love it when they would walk him to get to Grace. Grace was a much better hitter.
I enjoyed watching him airmail the cutoff man everytime so he could show off his great arm.
One of the reasons his HR in the bottom of the ninth in the 2003 playoffs was so surprising was that he usually couldn’t be counted on to do anything like this.
I am glad you have your memories. But he is much like Soriano, if he got hot he could carry for a week, but the rest of the time he was almost worthless.
AHAHAHAHAHAH
I’m really not going to stop laughing at this all day. Wow thanks man.
He also has the ability to learn and forget how to speak English when asked tough questions.
No he didn’t look bad there at all. Him and McGwire came out great at the hearings….not hiding anything I am so sure….
I'm sorry
I’m still laughing at your stupid comments above
And have no answers for any of it.
typical
Go ahead and laugh-he was very over rated and will never be in the HOF.
Thanks
to idiots like you who seem to think he owes you some kind of explanation for an amazing career.
Its fools like you who can't see the big picture.
I am waiting for your response to the corked bat and Engish issues. Do you deny them as well?
Was the bat thing cheating? Or was that just part of his awesome career? How long was it used before he got caught?
Can you handle these questions?
I was
never denying anything in the first place
Truly great players do not need to use corked bats.
The steroid thing may be somewhat unproven to people without common sense but the bat was everywhere on that field. It was almost comical.
If he can cheat in one way, why not another?
Same
goes for every player that has ever played. Like I said, if you think this game was ever clean your kidding yourself. For all I know everyone cheated.
yes
Just like McGwire and Bonds, Sosa was an amazing baseball player.
If he was not using why not be truthful at the hearings instead of being a joke?
If there is nothing to hide, why suddenly do you need a translator.
Looked REALLY good.
Punched his ticket to the HOF right there. Just like McGwire.
Find Where
I said he didn’t use. Im saying he probably did. But so did everyone else for all we know. So why only talk about Sosa? Because you don’t like him for some reason?
I don't like the cheaters
We are talking about Sosa because you are saying how he was an awesome player. He is Dave Kingman on steroids……
So was McGwire.
No matter
how much you want to say he wasn’t great. The FACT is, he was.
Still waiting on your answer to why a truly great player like Sosa had to use a corked bat.
You have been avoiding this.
I am trying to remember Cal Ripken and Andre Dawson using theirs….
Well
There’s no way to say if they did or didnt use them, Sosa just got caught.
Maybe his roids were not working as well.
Maybe he was having a hard time swinging and missing the balls in the dirt in the left handed batters box.
I think I’m done trying to talk to you. Enjoy your fantasy world of perfect players who play the game the “right way”
haha what a joke.
Maybe you just forgot how to type in English
Forgetting how to speak a language is something he is truly good at.
I'm
pretty sure that I typed that in Engilsh up there? Good one though?
Just wondering, because Sosa could speak english for a long time then he suddenly forgot.
I was worried the same thing happened to you.
OK
you stopped making sense a long time ago. Keep trying thouhg.
haha
thats what you resort to when you figure out your wrong?
Thats just a little pathetic.
I dont
need supporters. The numbers show me all I need to know. Ya know, like the facts. Things that actually happened.
The numbers showed me a lot of key strikeouts, bad fielding, and a corked bat suspension
And yes many HR’s. Few hit in clutch fashion….
Your
missing the point, Sammy Sosa was one of the most valuable players that the cubs have ever had. Its as simple as that.
His career
of about 60 WAR pretty much tells me what I need to know about how good Sosa was.
That I agree with...But was he a great player-No
Also as soon as people like Aram and Lee got here we got to see what a clutch player with power really looked like.
Was he the MVP of several of those teams in the late 90’s-yes.
But in a clutch situation I would much rather see Grace coming up than Sosa. So that to me makes him not a great player.
A team MVP does not make a great player-Leon Durham was probably the team MVP in 1982 was he a great player-no way…..
So
being clutch is your only standard for a great player? Wow man you are lost.
Great players are clutch and hit when it matters.
Sosa was truly great only in a fantasy league where only numbers matter. It does not matter if the HR is hit in the 1st inning or 9th. tie game or down 7-1.
It did matter in real life where he failed often when the game was on the line.
Whoever wins this pissing contest...
gets a free ERIC HANNA T-SHIRT.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 27, 2010 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
I believe Sammy was one of the greatest steriod enhanced players baseball has ever seen.
I also believe anyone who wins an American Music Award is also a great musician.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 27, 2010 5:32 PM CST up reply actions
because stats
represent real things. That shit is not just made up. Your kidding yourself
When you get the stats also matter.
This was the problem with ARod in NY. Great stats-but never when it mattered. He has corrected this. Sosa never did.
I am sure his attorney
told him to STFU and let them answer on his behalf. It is called the 5th Amendment, and a smart move. I am not saying I agree or not, but his attorney knows better than any of us
Wait for it....POUND SAND Without me this board is Al Yellon talking to himself.....................by BLou
I am sure he did. Palmiero's seemed to be the only lawyer to let him talk and that didn't work because he lied all over the place.
Its not a bad move to clam up if you have something to hide but the way these guys went about it was hilarious.
cant hold it against them
if they followed legal advice. anyone of us would have followed the lawyers advice and shut up. that is why they are paying a legal team, and it ameks sense.
in defense of Sosa, he was not an elite all around player, but for 5 years there were few players who did what he did.
in 1993 and 1994 he averaged 34 HRS and 96 RBIs so he was not a steroid alone ballplayer (like McGwire and Bonds).
I believe Sosa about the cork bat incident, and for a good reason. He spoke about it before the game was over. He took responsibility. There was not enough time for anyone to write up a sugar coated speach. MLB scanned all his other bats, and none came back with cork, so it was his only one in the lot. Never happened again. I will agree he screwed up, but will not rag on about it.
For his career, Sosa hit 274, not great but not bad either for a HR hitter. HIs defense was not great, but it was not horrible as well. He made some very nice plays, but sadly UZR was not tracked back then and the numbers are not readily available for that.
Wait for it....POUND SAND Without me this board is Al Yellon talking to himself.....................by BLou
I agree with everything you said.
He was a good player-not great.
As for his fielding, I remember him DHing already for the Sox when he first came up. I thought it was odd that a young player could play CF and still be considered for DH and not just slide over. But then he came to the Cubs and I saw why.
As far as the bat goes, Even if it was a mistake, WHY IS IT THERE in the first place. Why take that chance?
according to his statement
which he released before the game was over, it was his BP bat which he used to put on a show for the fans pregame. I, actually, can believe that from him. It is part of the ego IMHO
Wait for it....POUND SAND Without me this board is Al Yellon talking to himself.....................by BLou
how about HOFers who cheated
Gaylord Perry (spit ball, vasaline)
Babe Ruth (testerone)
they were cheaters that are known for it, and I assure you that there are a lot of others
Wait for it....POUND SAND Without me this board is Al Yellon talking to himself.....................by BLou
I am sure there were.
We were just talking about the current crop of steroid users and Sosa’s greatness……
I think
you might be the only one who doesn’t think Sosa was a great player. I mean most people understand facts.
OK EVERYBODY----
Tell me that Sosa was a truly great player…….
He was a complete ballplayer that you counted on in the clutch like ARam.
That he always knew what to do in RF like Andre.
He always made good contact like Grace.
And of course would never do anything like cork a bat or POSSIBLY use steroids…..
Tell me he was more than home runs….
I just asked
since you state you hate cheaters, i would expect you to hate all cheaters, including current and former players who have/do cheat. For starters, every middle infielder who uses the “near second base” move on a double play for example.
just wanting to be consistant
Wait for it....POUND SAND Without me this board is Al Yellon talking to himself.....................by BLou
I can't stand that. Touch 2B or the runner is safe, dammit!
I blame the umpires for allowing that to happen.
agreed
Wait for it....POUND SAND Without me this board is Al Yellon talking to himself.....................by BLou
Nice
now maybe all the Chad’s at wrigley will like him again.
you've ignored this before
so I’m sure you will again, but Sosa’s skin paleing has nothing to do with steroids and everything to do with whitening cream that he uses and talks about frequently.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 27, 2010 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
your point?
it’s got NOTHING to do with steroids. Stay on target.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 27, 2010 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
everyone does
it is called food, drinks, pollution in the air, etc.
Wait for it....POUND SAND Without me this board is Al Yellon talking to himself.....................by BLou
lol
“unnatural”. For pete’s sake. Do you drink soda? Hell, do you drink milk???
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 27, 2010 5:16 PM CST up reply actions
OK. May I ask...
…that we use a different term instead of Kool Aid? It’s getting very overused. Any suggestions?
Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.
Flavor Aid?
Wait for it....POUND SAND Without me this board is Al Yellon talking to himself.....................by BLou
Could work.
Cubaid?
Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.
Perfect.
Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.
you wanna answer the actual question?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 27, 2010 6:34 PM CST up reply actions
Me?
Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.
no, TJ
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 27, 2010 11:09 PM CST up reply actions
uh...
Sandberg had a “big burst” of power?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 27, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
maybe Ernie used steroids so he is trying to downplay it for Sosa
SARCASM
Wait for it....POUND SAND Without me this board is Al Yellon talking to himself.....................by BLou
Pool lil' Drewish
Eternally searching for others to agree with your extreme minority sentiment that “steroids are OK” and that “Sammy is a victim.”
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
oh yeah that's exactly what he said....poor Blou, eternally searching for someone to slam
baseball.........is Kool Aid the remedy, or the cause of my desire for it
by cooliogirl47 on Jan 27, 2010 9:28 PM CST up reply actions
Reading comprehension
is a skill.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 27, 2010 11:10 PM CST up reply actions
No, no -
“Reading is fundamental”
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jan 28, 2010 8:40 AM CST up reply actions
are you calling BLou a guess reading hack?
Wait for it....POUND SAND Without me this board is Al Yellon talking to himself.....................by BLou
Don't forget
His name is on the list of 104. He used a corked bat. 99.9% guilty in my mind. This is only my opinion. Most people have their mind made up whether he’s guilty or not. Having a top 5 number of posts on BCB is not going to sway anyone’s opinion to your side. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It’s going to be interesting around here if he ever does come out and admit to it.
the corked bat
which has been reasonably explained has nothing to do with the steroid accusations. The “list of 104” is actually a group of lists, all of which have been discredited in one way or another, never mind the fact that the list was never supposed to be retained in the first place.
My rate of commenting has nothing to do with my opinion, and all I was really doing with this post was demonstrating the extremely tilted perspective of the previous Ernie Banks post which made it seem that he was calling on Soriano to admit to steroid use, when in fact he was not.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 27, 2010 11:12 PM CST up reply actions
lol
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 28, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
drew, I understood your point on Ernie's comments and
your post was on how the media skewed the comments to read that Ernie was calling out Sammy to “apolojise” and the comments read differently in context. You were right and I’m glad someone posted this.
However, given your history and known opinions on Sammy, you can’t really be surprised by the responses you received on this subject with you being the one to post it. Can you?
I love you like a distant cousin (not related by blood, who’s house we don’t visit when we’re in town), but I could have posted this to 30 comments and discussion closes. You post it and it’s like chumming for sharks.
at daver's request, Let's frontload this B**ch!
No, I’m not surprised at the responses. But the fact that it’s me has nothing to do with the content of the post.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 28, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
agreed, just pointing out the combination of you and the
subject matter triggers a different response from the masses.
at daver's request, Let's frontload this B**ch!
The anti-blou.
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by AndrewJStone on Feb 1, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
wait...now Soriano is using steroids too?!
hmmm…I never suspected him before…but now that you say it…I wonder…
Maybe it’s time to step away from the computer Drew.
"Fasten those seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
heh
freudian slip. :P
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 28, 2010 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
Guess-doping hack?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jan 28, 2010 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
all of his injection sites
are low and outside.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jan 28, 2010 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Jan 28, 2010 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
never hurts
to have a class act like ernie on your side. dont see sammy having any better luck getting in than mcgwire. could take quite a long time if it ever happens.
Sammy will be an interesting case.
His offensive career numbers are better than McGwire and nothing’s ever been proven (with legally obtained or released evidence), though circumstantial evidence and detail released illegally certainly indicate PED use.
Nobody believes Sammy lied under oath (Clemens, Palmiero, etc) and more time will have passed before Sammy becomes eligible and others will have been argued before him.
at daver's request, Let's frontload this B**ch!
Roids...
… i don’t doubt Sammy used them. And i don’t care. For me, it comes down to this: Why should it matter that Sosa bent rules that weren’t in place or being enforced? Baseball practically encouraged it. Why didn’t the union agree on testing sooner? Why wait so long to do something? Because it provided good entertainment and nobody cared.
In the past, it was greenies and cocaine.
In the future, parents will be choosing the best embryo or genetically removing weaknesses.
If there is the opportunity to gain an advantage, somebody was or will be taking it. Sosa (and hundreds of others) did what they could during their era. That doesn’t make this wrestling, and there is a lot more to the sport than being “big”.
Complaining about the stats is meaningless… you want to hear about “unfair”? Babe Ruth put up his stats in an all-white league. Ted Williams missed five years due to war. How much longer could Mickey Mantle and Sandy Koufax have played with today’s surgeons? Are you telling me guys who get to work with Dr. James Andrews should have stats next to guys who, if they tore their ulnar collateral ligament, were done for life?
The problem isn’t the ‘roids (or HGH now, or greenies yesterday) – records are meant to be broken, and ours today will broken by the even more super-human men of tomorrow. The problem is the lies about the ’roids. If Sammy would just come forward, say "i did it, as did everyone else. it wasn’t against the rules, i put on a good show, and i’m not sorry" it would be news for a week, and then somebody else would be news the next. Its the attitude they should all adopt, and if the haters start screeching, point out that anybody that accomplished anything (both individual or team-wise) in about any sport the 90’s or 00’s was probably aided in at least some way.
It is what it is at this point, and griping about it isn’t going to undo anything.
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McGwire's problem was...
… that he claimed the steroids didn’t help him. No one believes that. He admitted doing them — if he’d admitted they had helped them, people might have been more forgiving.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
he didnt have to say it helped or not
just say “i used, i should not have, i hope others understand that i was an idiot for using them”
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I don't even think the idiot thing is nessassary.
The way they see it (and while i don’t agree, i get where they are coming from) was that it wasn’t against the rules, and they are super-competitive beings who probably viewed it as if their livelihood rested upon their performance, which could easily be enhanced.
Don’t even say “we were idiots” if you don’t believe it. Just keep it real: “we did this, everyone else did too, i didn’t break specific rules in my quest for an advantage, i have no doubt it helped in that quest, i put on quite a show, and i’m sorry to anybody who feels cheated by it.” Hopefully everyone moves on and remembers the steroids era the same way we remember segregated ball… a time where all things were probably not equal, but a time that’s records are worth noting and being amazed at none the less.
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by AndrewJStone on Feb 1, 2010 11:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
In a similar vein
when Sammy’s corked bat shattered right there in front of God and everybody, the moment shocked most of us. But we might have been much more forgiving if he had just owned up like a man:
“I have to admit, I knew it was the wrong bat when the batboy brought it to me, but I didn’t say anything. I knew it was against the rules, but I took the bat. I’m ashamed of my actions, and I apologize to the fans, my teammates, and to Baseball.”
Most of us soured on him a little (or a lot) because of the lying.
"Only a mediocre person is always at his best." ~W. Somerset Maugham
i believe him about the bat
as i said above
I believe Sosa about the cork bat incident, and for a good reason. He spoke about it before the game was over. He took responsibility. There was not enough time for anyone to write up a sugar coated speach. MLB scanned all his other bats, and none came back with cork, so it was his only one in the lot. Never happened again. I will agree he screwed up, but will not rag on about it.
Wait for it....POUND SAND Without me this board is Al Yellon talking to himself.....................by BLou
MLB warned the Cubs that they were coming to check all the bats
And they cleared the clubhouse.
The pticher’s BP bat excuse was lame. A player KNOWS when he has a bat other than his own.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Feb 1, 2010 9:42 PM CST up reply actions
i have never heard about the warning and removal
do you have a link by chance?
Wait for it....POUND SAND Without me this board is Al Yellon talking to himself.....................by BLou
I'll see if I can dig something up.
It’s tougher at work with the firewall
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Feb 2, 2010 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
Is it speculation that they removed any other corked bats
or is there any proof of that? Just curious
Wait for it....POUND SAND Without me this board is Al Yellon talking to himself.....................by BLou
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