Starlin Castro's Recruitment
I must have been living under a rock when the Cubs signed Starlin Castro. I don't remember the specifics. I'm certain that I'm not the only one. If anyone remembers, what were the specifics? Was it like Sano and Chapman? Was he supposed to be this good? Who were the competitors? Was there a consensus on if we paid too much?
I would appreciate any background information on the situation. Thanks in advance.
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Several sources say he was signed by Jose Serra, who is the scout responsible for a lot of other Cubs’ players from the DR. Castro played in the Dominican Summer League at age 17, then in the Arizona Rookie League at age 18. It’s tough to get any read on players in the DSL. His ARL season put him on some prospect lists last year. But nobody expected the Cubs to promote him over Boise, over Peoria, and all the way to Daytona. And just about nobody expected him to do so well there that he would end up in AA in the second half, or get sent to the AFL at age 19.
In other words, I think he showed up on the radar as soon as most good Dominican players do, when they first start playing in the US. He was not a big bonus baby, but I haven’t been able to find his signing bonus.
Fontenot (fon-te-no): Cajun for "scrappy"
I don't know his signing bonus either
I’ve not seen it mentioned, so it must not have been huge. He is the product of a great job of scouting and development.
by Josh Timmers on Jan 28, 2010 11:44 PM CST up reply actions
From what I understand
He was undrafted because no one expected him to do anything special. He stepped up and make some huge strides that no one expected and has found himself on many top 50 prospect lists.
He was undrafted for a reason, and not because of price.
He was undrafted
because he’s from the Dominican Republic and the draft only applies to residents of the United States (including Puerto Rico) and Canada.
No Dominican player is drafted, unless he’s someone like Albert Pujols who moved to the Kansas City area when he was in high school.
by Josh Timmers on Jan 28, 2010 11:37 PM CST up reply actions
and that is a big problem IMHO
all players from anywhere no matter the age should have to go thru the draft.
Wait for it....POUND SAND Without me this board is Al Yellon talking to himself.....................by BLou
It's not cut and dry
Right now, most teams have baseball academies in the Dominican Republic (and some in Venezuela) that train and educate boys. The teams expect in return that they’ll first crack at signing the best of them. If another team could just draft the best players that you developed, teams would close up shop on the academies pretty quickly.
The talent pool that used to come out of Puerto Rico has dried up since the draft was extended to the island. Puerto Rico believes that extending the draft has had a disastrous effect on the state of baseball on the island.
Would you make separate rules for international and domestic players in the same draft? Because there is no way that the schools would stand for American kids getting drafted at 16. Conversely, having Dominican players wait until they are 18 to be drafted would stunt their development as well as cause the top prospects to sign with Japan.
MLB would love to have an international draft because the draft really only serves one purpose—to limit the bonuses paid out to amateur players. No where is this more evident than with Aroldis Chapman, who got $30 million to sign with the Reds whereas Stephen Strasburg, the superior prospect, got only half that. But the reality of the situation is that while guys like Chapman, Sano and Ynoa get big headlines for their huge signing bonuses, most foreign players sign cheap—a lot cheaper than American players do. It doesn’t really cost a lot to be competitive in developing and signing foreign players. You could do it for $6-7 million—the price of a mediocre free agent.
The bottom line is that while MLB would like an international draft to cut the bonuses paid to guys like Chapman, they’ve never found a way to do it that would be fair to the teams and wouldn’t close down all the academies.
by Josh Timmers on Jan 29, 2010 4:11 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
The Cubs have a D.R. academy like other teams.
If anyone here has not seen the movie “Sugar” yet — go get it from Netflix or wherever. It’s well done and according to many, a very realistic depiction of what players from the D.R. go through when they come to the US to play.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Great Perspective
Especially the contrast to Puerto Rico. You only forgot the part about foreign players paying kick-backs to scouts. But that might be a different discussion.
by RiskyBusiness on Jan 29, 2010 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think
the draft would affect that either way. Even with a draft, scouts would have to recommend to their teams that they draft a player. The state of information in the Dominican isn’t good enough that a quality prospect could expect to be noticed without a scout discovering them. Heck, it’s hard enough for American high school kids to get drafted without some scout discovering them. You sure don’t have many Dominican dads making highlight videos of their kids and mailing them to scouts and college recruiters.
Kickbacks are more a product of the lack of control that teams have over their scouting staff (because of language differences and distance) and the unequal power relationship between the scouts and these 16 year old kids who come out of abject poverty.
by Josh Timmers on Jan 29, 2010 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
I feel like I learned more about international baseball
from this post than anything I’ve ever read before.
And I second the recommendation of “Sugar”.
DEJESUS!!!
i understand and am aware of this
and MLB should have the training facility instead of various teams, and the players should enter the draft. This allows teams like the Pirates to get talent needed to improve, and compete, which their fan base deserves.
Wait for it....POUND SAND Without me this board is Al Yellon talking to himself.....................by BLou
He wasn't a big signing
There isn’t that much background that’s out there. I think he was at one of our academies for a tryout, Cubs liked what they saw and inked him. I think it was only 5 figures, and maybe even low 5 figures, but I’m not certain on that. If Raisin or O_O come around, they might be a bit more informed on this than me.
His development is another feather in the cap for their philosophy in regards to Latin America. Add in other decent-solid prospects like Antigua and Dolis (none of them got huge bonuses iirc). Actually, it’s our bigger signings of late that haven’t panned out (Larry Suarez comes to mind, although he may get a shot at Peoria to breakthrough).
I wouldn't be surprised
if Castro signed for less than $10K. My guess is that it was somewhere between $10-15K.
As I said, other than the big names, foreign players sign cheap. There isn’t a lot of competition for their services because usually only one team knows about them.
by Josh Timmers on Jan 29, 2010 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks, all
I truly enjoy reading anything written by Toons or Josh.

Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.
I didn't know Starlin had
that much of a beard
He hasn't shaved in a while.
Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.
Dang
That bat is as old as he is.
by Don't Fear the Reaper on Jan 29, 2010 8:49 AM CST up reply actions
I hated when the Cubs wore those jerseys.
It looks like it reads “Cuba” on the front.
"Only a mediocre person is always at his best." ~W. Somerset Maugham
by Goodie1969 on Jan 30, 2010 8:50 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Except the Cubs wore those for about six years.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Castro
I believe I read it and Oneri said it at the convention this year that Castro signed for 45 thousand.
If Oneri said it
then that’s the truth. So a little more than I said, but still really cheap.
It sort of blows a hole in the idea that we need to extend the draft to help out small market teams. The Pirates or Royals could have signed Castro for $60k, if not less. Even for those teams, that’s chump change. Of course, they’d also have to hire the scouts to find a guy like Castro, but it’s still way less than a major league minimum salary.

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