BCB Reader Hall Of Fame Balloting
by Al Yellon on Jan 6, 2010 11:00 AM CST
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A number of you registered complaints with the SB Nation Hall of Fame ballot that I posted on Monday. You said you could do better.
So I had the SBN folks set up a ballot for you. While we wait to find out who will be admitted to the Hall in a couple of hours (1 pm CST), go past the jump to see how you did.
82 total votes were cast through late last night, when these were tallied. By the BBWAA rules (75% of the votes cast would give Hall induction, in this case 62 votes), you elected Bert Blyleven and Andre Dawson, and left Roberto Alomar a few votes short -- which is my prediction of how this year's BBWAA vote will wind up. (And seriously, I loved him as a Cub, but who voted for Eric Karros? He's not a Hall of Famer.)
| Player | % Vote | Total Votes |
| Andre Dawson | 81.71% | 67 |
| Bert Blyleven | 80.49% | 66 |
| Roberto Alomar | 65.85% | 54 |
| Lee Smith | 43.64% | 38 |
| Tim Raines | 40.24% | 33 |
| Alan Trammell | 29.27% | 24 |
| Barry Larkin | 29.27% | 24 |
| Mark McGwire | 18.29% | 15 |
| Dale Murphy | 15.85% | 13 |
| Jack Morris | 15.85% | 13 |
| Harold Baines | 14.63% | 12 |
| Don Mattingly | 13.41% | 11 |
| Edgar Martinez | 13.41% | 11 |
| Fred McGriff | 10.98% | 9 |
| Dave Parker | 8.54% | 7 |
| Eric Karros | 2.44% | 2 |
| Andres Galarraga | 1.22% | 1 |
| Robin Ventura | 1.22% | 1 |
| Not receiving votes: Kevin Appier, Ellis Burks, Pat Hentgen, Mike Jackson, Ray Lankford, Shane Reynolds, David Segui, Todd Zeile | ||
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I can't see Alomar not getting in.
Unless voters really hold a grudge over the Hirschbeck Spitting Incident.
As much as I like Ryno, Alomar did just about everything he did (aside from hitting for power) and took it to a different level in most cases.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
I agree.
Hirshbeck, whom Alomar publicly apologized to years ago, said he should be a first ballot HOFer. I suppose some sanctimonious writers could withhold a vote for him this year but since the guy Alomar spit on is long over it, they should be as well.
Alomar is a first ballot HOFer if ever there was one. I’m also a huge Ryno fan but Alomar was simply better. He recently said he patterned his game after Ryno as he was coming up. Nice plug for a good guy.
"Not receiving votes: Kevin Appier"
awaiting that Royals blog guy who wrote the blue-colored glasses love piece in 3…2…1
Robin Ventura received a vote also
Go figure. I voted for the top four. Still don’t get why Lee Smith isn’t in there. Lead the league in saves for so many years. I know it’s an overrated stat but to have that many means you’re pretty decent
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
Lee Smith
I think voters wonder why he was with so many teams. Some still won’t vote for him because of a certain home run he gave up in southern California in the playoffs. I know Dennis Eckersley feels like Smith belongs. I do, too. I don’t view him as the “Harold Baines of relief pitchers”. Goose was with a lot of different teams and successful with the White Sox, Pirates, Yankees, and that brown and yellow team. Gossage is in the Hall. Smith was successful with the Cubs, Red Sox, Cardinals, and Orioles.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
I don't really buy into the multiple teams deal
Is he Mariano Rivera good? No. But the guy was very successful for obviously a long career. I’m just not entirely sure what the knock is from keeping him in the hall.
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
John Franco
I was surprised that Franco got such low vote totals when he was up for the Hall. He led the NL in saves 3 times. There is an extremely high bar set for closers. I think of pitchers like Tug McGraw, Kent Tekulve, and Mike Marshall in the 1970’s that weren’t able to rack up huge save numbers. They never got much support at all in their Hall bids. I don’t know if any of those three deserve to be there or not. None of them came even close.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
The bar should be set really high for relievers.
Leading the league in saves is not like leading the league in home runs. Only really elite closers on good teams have the impact on their team’s season as an all-star player. Take John Franco, for instance, measured by WPA (I think this is one of the best ways to compare closers, starting pitchers, and position players at a glance in terms of their impact on their teams, as long as you have a lot of data). His best season total (according to Fangraphs) was 3.86 in 1985. Only above 3 WPA 3 times in his career. 18 total career WPA. Now compare Tim Raines, whose supporters say he’s about an average offensive HoF outfielder: 50 total career WPA, career best of 5.95, over 5 three times, over 3 nine times, including seven straight seasons. Even Jim Rice, widely acknowledged as a weak HoFer, made 22.65 WPA for his (much shorter) career and had 6.57 in one season.
That’s what makes Mariano Rivera so remarkable. His WPA: about 49 with a career high of 5.26, and he ain’t done yet. That’s Hall-of-Fame impact, right there — his impact on the Yankees’ success is equal to that of an excellent position player, year after year (not quite at Pujols/Bonds/A-Rod level, but above Jeter, for example). You can’t say that about Lee Smith (24 career WPA, high of 4.15), and you can’t say it about John Franco.
Yes but did he ever lead the league for career totals in saves?
I agree with the high bar but I think Smith passes it
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
Looks like we might be in for some fun business today.
http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/newsstand/
They’ve totaled the 144 ballots they have as full.
I hated to bat against Drysdale. After he hit you he'd come around, look at the bruise on your arm and say, 'Do you want me to sign it?'- Mickey Mantle
by Sioux City Cubs Fan on Jan 6, 2010 11:51 AM CST reply actions
Is this official?
Can baseball factory be trusted? I ask because I don’t know, I’d never been on the site before
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
It's not official.
They send out way more than 144 ballots. All they did was find all the ballots that writers said who they voted for online. They compiled those and figured out the percentages.
I hated to bat against Drysdale. After he hit you he'd come around, look at the bruise on your arm and say, 'Do you want me to sign it?'- Mickey Mantle
by Sioux City Cubs Fan on Jan 6, 2010 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
I know about the numbers
I just didn’t know if the site was credible. Sounds like Dawson got in though
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
TWSS
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 6, 2010 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
; D
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
If you want to watch the live announcement
here’s the link: http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?topic_id=6261176, I believe
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
Yep, I've got it tuned in now.
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 6, 2010 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, these guys are not very good at padding the time to the live announcement, but oh well.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
It's like an infomercial for Cooperstown right now.
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 6, 2010 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
Hey man thanks for the link.
Thanks a lot Trey!
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Enjoy.
Now that the announcement has been made, MLB Network has a solid panel up there talking about it.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
Dawson is in!
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
ANDRE DAWSON IS IN!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can’t believe it.
I hated to bat against Drysdale. After he hit you he'd come around, look at the bruise on your arm and say, 'Do you want me to sign it?'- Mickey Mantle
by Sioux City Cubs Fan on Jan 6, 2010 1:02 PM CST reply actions
and the only one!
I hated to bat against Drysdale. After he hit you he'd come around, look at the bruise on your arm and say, 'Do you want me to sign it?'- Mickey Mantle
by Sioux City Cubs Fan on Jan 6, 2010 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
no one else elected.
only The Hawk.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
77.9 percent for the Hawk, 74.2 for Bert, 73 percent for Alomar.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
WOW Bert and Robbie got FUCKED.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
5 writers turned in blank ballots.
the panel on MLB.com is stunned.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
They should be fired.
And tarred. Then feathered.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I agree with Costas on this -
Alomar was the best player on the ballot. I think Hawk is borderline but he’s one of the good guys and I’m happy for him.
Congratulations to Andre Dawson!
He was my absolute favorite player as a kid, and my family is probably glad that they can avoid my annual “Why isn’t Andre Dawson in the Hall of Fame?” rant from now on. =)
"I can just see it: Post 'Intervention? Why would I need an intervention?' And then he'd +1 himself."
Congrats to the Hawk!
He needed a win today and so did I.
Catch my act on Twitter as @dat_cubfan_dave.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 6, 2010 1:06 PM CST reply actions
Jump to front-page post on Dawson’s election!
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
This is good news
I’m sure Alomar will get in next year. Congrats to the Hawk. Next up, what Cap will he wear when he enters? Montreal I would guess.
I still want to know why
it takes a guy several ballots to get in the hall? this whole voting process is a fraud. i dont understand how a player becomes more hall worthy as time goes by. you either are or you aren’t. that being said i am glad the hawk made it and being canadian i hope he goes in as an expo just to give the expo’s and their fans some acknowledgement.
Who voted for Eric Karros?
Probably the same writer who gave Shawon Dunston his lone hall of fame vote! He’s no more of a hall of fame player than Ozzie Guillen was and Oz actually got five votes (Though the 5-to-1 margin just proves that baseball fans weren’t the only ones who always contended that Dunston’s lifetime underachieving put him behind Guillen as the better shortstop).
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