Sources Deny Report That Quade Will Be Named Cubs Manager
by Al Yellon on Oct 14, 2010 4:53 PM CDT
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UPDATE: Sources say there's nothing to this rumor. Nevertheless, it was worth posting.
This may or may not happen, but MSNBC is reporting this, via tweet from Will Carroll:
Triple-A Iowa skipper Ryne Sandberg is going to promoted to the position of Cubs bench coach, according to Carroll, and will probably serve as a kind of successor to Quade. The 53-year-old former third base coach led the Cubs to an impressive 24-13 record down the stretch. Carroll, formerly of Baseball Prospectus, says an official announcement could be made by next week.This was originally posted in the FanShot area, in which the Daily Herald's Bruce Miles made this comment:
Not likely
Hate to disagree with my old pal Will, but this scenario seems very unlikely.
by Bruce Miles on Oct 14, 2010 4:33 PM CDT reply actions
So, we shall see. I have no information myself one way or the other about this; but since this report is out there, I thought I'd get it on the front page for discussion. While I'm a Sandberg backer, I would not have a problem with this choice, if it turns out to be the way the Cubs go.
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Sandberg should probably begin managerial interviews with other teams...
……better than being a bench coach.
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
If this is true ...
I’m guessing Sandberg doesn’t think he’ll get a managerial job.
Or he feels like he could benefit from being in the bigs for a year or two.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
Or, maybe he really wants to be part of the Cubs organization.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
He wants to be with the Cubs so much that he'd pass up a managing job elsewhere?
I seriously doubt it.
I doubt it too.
I don’t know why, but I get the feeling he has less of a chance getting a managing job somewhere else than Quade does though. So maybe he would take a job as bench coach. IDK.
Look into my eyes!
That may be true.
Maybe Sandberg has feelers out and he’d rather stay with the Cubs as bench coach, than be a manager of a team possibly going nowhere, like Seattle or Pittsburgh.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
...or St. Louis.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 14, 2010 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions
But I was going along the lines of teams not going anywhere.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 14, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sorry to say this, Al ...
but I think your tendency to overrate current and former players’ loyalty to the Cubs is showing.
I think loyalty IS underrated.
That’s just the way I see it, of course. YMMV.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I think loyalty is underrated, too.
I just don’t think it’s that common.
I am not so sure you can say Seattle
is possibly going no where. From what I understand of their minor league system they have some pretty useful arms coming through in the next few years. They could be like the Giants in a year or two.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
Nucks Misconduct chief curmudgeon and chief hunk.
by Section 312 on Oct 14, 2010 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think there'll be a managing job elsewhere for Sandberg right now
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
How do we know
Sandberg even wants the bench coach job?
Sandberg for manager!
by mrcubsfan on Oct 14, 2010 5:10 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Um, I guess we don't.
But we’re just responding to the report.
TWSS....
sigh – typing that just isn’t as much fun as it was when the Cubs were still playing…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I wonder if...
…Erin Andrews pictures are still as much fun without the Cubs? There’s only one way to find out….
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
can she play multiple positions well
be a clubhouse leader and hit around .300? If so I think we found a new piece of the bench…just have to think of a clever nickname so we can join the club
E-Drew?
Air Andy? The Strut? Mic’d Up? More Maine Than Scott? Greater Gator? The Mouth from the South? The Bristol Pistol? Miss BCS?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Then she wouldn't bat .300
Or .200 for that matter.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Kamasutra?
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Make it lifesize, put it in the clubhouse, and...
…cut the dress up into about 90 smaller pieces attached by velcro and somehow I have this feeling the Cubs will win about 90 games next year.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I like it...
It’s original. Someone should put it in a movie if the Cubs don’t do it.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
"My favorite food is Macaroni and Cheese, from the blue box." Geovany Soto
With a plot device like that
I think it’d be a major league success at the box office
Stop it, stop it - I can't Berenger to read anymore of these bad puns
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Oh my.
I misread “boots” as something else at first.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Possibly hiking up Mount Marcy during the weekend of October 23-24. State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 14, 2010 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Cheese pizza?
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
"My favorite food is Macaroni and Cheese, from the blue box." Geovany Soto
You don't want to know.
Al would most likely admonish me if I said what I initially saw.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Possibly hiking up Mount Marcy during the weekend of October 23-24. State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 14, 2010 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Can she bat left-handed?
If so, sign her up!
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Possibly hiking up Mount Marcy during the weekend of October 23-24. State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 14, 2010 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
168 days, 19 hours, 42 min...
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Possibly hiking up Mount Marcy during the weekend of October 23-24. State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 14, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
168:11:21:32
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Someone...
…has to be willing to interview him first.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Eh ...
or hiring a manager and a circling vulture. I’m kinda hoping this doesn’t happen.
I am thinking the same thing
Hendry would HAVE to come out and say Quade is here for the entire season period, end of story, close the book, etc… so that it doesnt become a circus after every loss
That would be a circus.
The more I think about this, the less I like the idea of both working together.
Look into my eyes!
Score
This has trouble written all over it.. If true.
There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.
by truelinkfence on Oct 14, 2010 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Which is why I would bet it's not true.
I have a world of respect for both guys, so I would love to imagine a scenario where this could work. But I don’t see it happening. Two major zoos in the Chicago area is enough; we don’t need a third one in Wrigleyville.
"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004
by ctcoff99 on Oct 14, 2010 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can see this...
Ryno is a pragmatist…
When he wanted the job 4 years ago they said coach in the minors and he did…
They’ve worked him up the chain to AAA since then… This is just another step
to get the Big Chair so to speak…
Ramirez, Fukudome, Soriano and Zambrano. It's the 2010 Murderers' Row of baseball failure. - Paraphrasing Gene Wojciechowski
How many times do you see
a team’s bench coach promoted to manager?
The Dodgers just did it with Mattingly.
And Girardi began as Torre’s bench coach, left, then was hired back as manager.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Right, so that is one
example, and the guy he was promoted to replace was an unusual situation. Explain to me how Ryno succeeds Quade at some unknown date in the future?
I think Mattingly was the hitting coach for LA
At least according to Cot’s. They do have him listed as bench coach while with the Yankees though.
Don Mattingly Manager
3 years (2011-13)
* 3 years (2011-13)
o hired as manager by LA Dodgers 9/17/10
* 2008-10
o hitting coach, LA Dodgers
* 2004-07
o hitting coach & bench coach, NY Yankees
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
You're right.
He was Torre’s bench coach in NY (except for the time Girardi was).
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Okay so now we are back
to zero examples. ;-) I’m sure there are examples, it just seems like a very unlikely path for Ryno to get the big chair. He would probably be better off going somewhere else and waiting to see if Quade fails while getting some experience.
Disagree
Being a bench coach fills in the missing piece on his resume for getting his dream job.
If his ego can handle being a bench coach to a relatively inexperienced big league manager, more power to him. It can only help him in the future.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
But if his dream job
is to manage the Cubs specifically, how does he get there is he’s Quade’s bench coach, keeping in mind Quade’s age?
well you have to figure
that if Quade is good enough to retire as the Cubs manager then Sandberg has no shot at becoming the Cubs manager regardless of where he goes, so he may see this as good enough for now and hoping that he gets the call to the pen if Quade cant retire as the Cubs manager
That's sort of what I am getting at....
how often does a manager that’s fired for performance get permanently replaced by his own bench coach?
to say that its rare
isnt saying that it couldnt happen – and I am probably wrong – but isnt the bench coach usually chosen by the Manager so he would simply be Manager Jr.?
If Quade continues to win at a (what was it?) 65% clip? He probably doesn't.
But if Quade can’t cut it or after a couple years, it becomes clear he can’t take the team from Pt B to Pt C, it’ll be time for another change.
Would you rather be 2nd in command ready to take over or doing something else somewhere else, possibly unable to come back?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I would say I would rather
be somewhere else getting more experience so that I am not associated with Quade’s failure.
my guess would be that
Sandberg’s contract may be errily similar in length to the Cubs new manager’s contract
One example:
Tom Trebelhorn was Jim Lefebvre’s bench coach in 1993, and he got the job when Lefebvre was fired. We know how that worked out. The point is not whether or not it’s been done before; I know there have to be more examples. The point is the Chicago media will stir the pot on a daily basis, and every three-game losing streak will launch the sports pundits into a fenzy about how Ryno would have done XYZ in this or that situation, and Ryno’s reaction after the game was “blah, blah, blah”. Sandberg and Quade are both too classy to engage in any in-house politics. The chaos would all be media-generated, but they would drag this team into a chaotic nightmare from the first day of Spring Training on. I’m giving Jim Hendry the benefit of the doubt that he’s intelligent enough to foresee this.
"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004
by ctcoff99 on Oct 14, 2010 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Exactly...
…and Ricketts himself said he needed someone who knew Cubs history when that 3 games losing streak happened in June and everybody is wigging out.
Well, the wigging will go to a new high if Quade has Sandberg as his bench coach.
They have to be smarter than to put the next manager in that “no win” situation.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
actually this is a cunning move for both Sandberg and the Cubs
Cubs are rebuilding and probably pointing to 2013-14. Quade having two tough seasons and leaving the plate full for Sandberg is a strong move.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
That would be quite the
cunning stunt.
"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores." Corporal Maxwell Q. Klinger
What's the difference between Ivy's scenario and Erin Andrews?
Ivy’s scenario is a cunning stunt, and…
Cuing "Liquid Sky"
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
and if memory serves me correct...
Don Zimmer was also promoted this way as well
Ramirez, Fukudome, Soriano and Zambrano. It's the 2010 Murderers' Row of baseball failure. - Paraphrasing Gene Wojciechowski
At Least In Boston
Zimmer was promoted to manager from third base coach in 1976.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
In 1976...
… most teams didn’t have “bench coaches”. A team’s 3B coach often performed the role that a bench coach would today.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Thanks for the Info
I can always count on you to give me insight into 1970’s baseball. I don’t remember 1976. Coaching staffs must have grown since then. It’s easy for me to remember that Zimmer was the third base coach for the 1975 Red Sox and 1984 Cubs and the manager for the 1978 Red Sox and 1989 Cubs because those Red Sox and Cubs teams are so well known.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Gibson got promoted from bench coach in AZ
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Oct 14, 2010 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I am going to go out on a limb
and say that this is simply not going to happen.
You may be right.
But it was out there, so I wanted to post it for discussion.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I know I found it surprising.
I really think it will be one or the other. Not both.
Look into my eyes!
I was not criticizing
your decision to front page it.
If I were Quade,
I think I’d feel kinda weird taking the job with my successor already named and working for me…
That's one of the many reasons
why this is simply very unlikely from a logical standpoint.
and Quade is young enough to make this scenario even more odd...
I could have easily seen the Cubs doing this while Lou was still mgr…
Easy way out.
If Q fails Sandberg is safety net. Not sure cubs made a “tough” decision, but the easy one.
Sandberg for manager!
by mrcubsfan on Oct 14, 2010 5:05 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Not so fast
Will just tweeted this.
Just talked to a guy who’s VERY wired into Cubs. Says I’m wrong, esp. on timing. We’ll see, but he’s seldom wrong.
Maybe he just talked to Bruce Miles?
You see, you spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball, and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. ~Jim Bouton, Ball Four, 1970
Yes, false media-driven
flareups are better than nothing, that’s for sure.
+1
rumors from a “source” which another “source” subsequently refutes doesn’t cost you much in credibility, and makes it look like you have a lot of sources. Which you probably don’t.
by PrincetonCubs on Oct 14, 2010 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions
wasn't he in that going back to college drinking movie?
and wasn’t he an elf and tv newscaster too?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I like balloons
There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.
by truelinkfence on Oct 14, 2010 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions
FWIW
I have sent out feelers to some people I know as well. Will report back if I hear anything.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Is it
Is it deep goat?
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by puckishcubsfan on Oct 14, 2010 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe Hendry will resign!
"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004
I think
I think we’ll see a lot of this and already have. People are taking stabs making stuff up and hoping to be right and claim they had the scoop.
It won’t be decided until Girardi is settled.
Formerly known as cubstoseriesby100. Thanks Al for letting me change my outdated screenname.
And even then, he's probably renewed by the Yankees.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
most likely
and Girardi certaintly isnt the greatest manager ever, so he won a WS with the best team in baseball – I think many managers in the big leagues could do that
Yep
Yep I have a feeling it’s a pipe dream but I think the Cubs are going to wait until Girardi is resolved either way.
I doubt Joe has said a definite no because heck he can’t even be sure he will be kept in New York until they offer him a new deal!
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by puckishcubsfan on Oct 14, 2010 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions
No Repeat of Dick Howser in 1980
Howser was forced to resign after the Yankees got swept by the Royals in the ALCS. Even if the Yankees get swept by Texas, Girardi will keep his job as Yankees manager.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
And the Yankees regretted it
when Howser led the Royals to the World Championship.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 15, 2010 1:42 AM CDT up reply actions
See? That's all you have to do - just use a word like "probably" and you'll have no troubles from me.
You’re on your own with Easy Ed though… ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
That's correct..."probably"...BUT...
although he “probably” stays in NY (I don’t agree), the Cubs have got to at least wait and test the waters. That’s the delay. They probably do have the manager picked, but, only in the case of Girardi declining. There is NO hurry here people. Free agency does NOT start until the day after the last game of the World Series. To me, the longer this plays out, the less likely Sandberg is the choice. If he’s the choice then announce it. If Quade is the choice then announce it so Sandberg can weigh other options. It’s like we’re all waiting for the “white smoke” to come out of Rickett’s chimney or something. They’re waiting for something/someone. Why is that so hard to see?
Joe Girardi...2011 Chicago Cubs Manager...Maybe...50/50?
Adam Dunn..2011 Chicago Cubs First Baseman - 3 yrs/$42 mill with a club option for a 4th.
I used to think...
…they would wait, but I’m not so sure any more.
I’m thinking they won’t want to deal with the much tougher questions Girardi will be asking about the direction of the organization and they also don’t want to have Girardi turn them down and than look foolish.
I think the only way they wait now, is if Girardi has somehow reached out to them through other people to express his interest. I doubt this, because I don’t think Girardi works this way.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I agree in thinking that Girardi doesn't work that way.
I would guess if anything has gone on behind the scenes, it would have been the Cubs reaching out to Girardi through 3rd parties to see if there was any interest, all the while avoiding any tampering issues.
In a sense, Ricketts is kinda in a catch-22. Make an announcement now, risk fan backlash that we didn’t even wait to see if Girardi would be interested. Wait and make announcement later, risk appearance of Sandberg/Quade looking like 2nd choice if Joe no go.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Oct 14, 2010 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yep...
…there would have to be some form of “under the table” communication going both ways (Cubs reaching out to Girardi, and Girardi then responding).
I do think there may be other issues that may hold the Cubs back on Girardi and that is regarding the fact Girardi may have demands or questions Ricketts won’t have the answers for at this time.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I don't feel like there's been any undue delay so far
They went and identified their candidates – some obvious, some not-so-obvious. Then Hendry went and did his interviews – didn’t seem like he was dragging his feet there. Now Ricketts is meeting with what I would guess to be the serious/short list candidates.
In a Girardi-less environment, I don’t think it unreasonable to give Ricketts and Hendry a few days to mull things over, perhaps ask some follow-up questions. So an announcement by say…. Tuesday or Wednesday next week would be reasonable.
Anything beyond that, and you may have a peg to hang your hat on. And if we get to the World Series and still no announcement, then you can hang your coat there too.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Yep.
Why would he leave a proven winner in New York for the Cubs?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Possibly hiking up Mount Marcy during the weekend of October 23-24. State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 14, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
"It won't be decided until Girardi is settled"
is the most accurate thing stated in this thread, unless they get back channel word that Joe’s no longer interested, because at the very least it is in his financial best interest to pretend to be interested.
It will benefit Sandberg huge to take a manager job elsewhere even if it's with the Pirates...
…he can call his own shots and get real MLB experience. Far better than being a bench coach with the Cubs. If Quade fails in a couple years, the Cubs can come calling. The Mariners seem like a good fit since he’s from that area.
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
Ryne Sandberg is not "from that area".
He grew up in Spokane. That’s 300 miles from Seattle. It’d be like saying someone from St. Louis is “from the Chicago area”.
Plus, Sandberg has not lived there for close to 30 years. His fulltime home is in the Phoenix area.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
You're right
I think the Dbacks job would be more likely. Is it still open?
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by puckishcubsfan on Oct 14, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Not Only That, But...
eastern Washington is very much culturally different than the Seattle-Tacoma area.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
OK, so he's "not from that area"-sorry for the misnomer.....
……you don’t have to be so picky…..Still a MLB managerial job is with any team is far better than being a low visibility bench coach with the Cubs. I can’t believe Sandberg would be foolish enough to turn down a firm offer from another club.
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
Mariners Not In Existence Until 1977
For the majority of the time Sandberg was in Spokane, the Mariners were not in existence. It’s not as if he was a Mariners fan from birth.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Spokane is much different.
Seattle and Spokane, as well as most of Washington east of the Cascades, is much different. I’ll report how different those cities are when I make my attempt to climb Rainier.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 14, 2010 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
He never really fit what Jack Z
reportedly wanted in his next manager. There’s a reason older names are being bandied around out there. They were reportedly looking for experience in the big leagues.
My hunch right now is that Sandberg’s options are
a) Join the Cubs as a coach (I highly doubt bench coach)
b) Stay in the Cubs minors (doubt this)
c) Go to another or as a coach or minor league manager.
RICKY TICKY TICK TOCK TOCK
RING! RINGA DING DING RINGA DING DING RIM RIM RIM RIM
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
"My favorite food is Macaroni and Cheese, from the blue box." Geovany Soto
Very surprising development
Either Ryno got no offers and does not expect any anytime soon, or he really wants the Cubs’ job.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
If that first one is the case,
It would be very surprising, considering the number of managerial positions that are currently vacant.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Possibly hiking up Mount Marcy during the weekend of October 23-24. State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 14, 2010 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it's the former
one other possibility is that the Cubs won’t let Sandberg interview, but I doubt that. There’s been spec that teams have approached the Cubs about Quade, but little about them and Sandberg. The thing was, he never really fit what Toronto or Seattle wanted as a manager, based on the rumors out there.
I am surprised that he Sandberg has not even received an interview request from other teams.
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
I would not say that
Sandberg is a hall of famer and has some star power outside Chicago. I’m sure a struggling franchise in need of a spark takes something like that into consideration.
Different market.
It would be a bigger deal, I would say, if the Brewers chose Ryne Sandberg, than if the Cubs chose someone like Robin Yount, who has actually been a major league coach.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Bigger deal to whom?
I think the Cubs picking Yount would be a pretty damn big deal to Brewers fans. Just like the Brewers picking Sandberg would be a big deal to Cubs fans. Sandberg is actually not really that big of a name across the country. Nationally I would think someone hiring Sandberg would be no bigger of a deal than someone hiring Yount.
I agree
and I have said this as well – it is only a deal to the Cubs and any of the rivals that he played against…to the Blue Jays, to the Mariners he is just another AAA manager. I dont know if the Pirates Cubs series were worth a damn when Ryno played so I dont know what he would be to them, obviously he may have some interest in the Mets fanbase but an organization like that isnt going to go with someone else’s HoF straight out of the minors
You overestimate Ryno's star power
it is basically limited to the northside of Chicago
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Oct 15, 2010 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not
there are a lot of options out there in regards to coaches looking for a managerial jobs. I like Quade, but there’s a handful that I probably would’ve preferred, but never seemed likely. There were also enough folks that questioned Sandberg’s managerial skills. Yes, he won PCL manager of the year, but folks questioned his in-game managing capability, amongst other things.
He’s a good candidate, but he’s not so exceptional, particularly with organizations that he has few ties to.
The headline
surprised me but then Bruce says it’s very unlikely so I’ll just wait for something that is a sure thing. :)
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
Just went back
and read all the posts and saw that.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
Surprised that Al
hasn’t changed the headline yet.
Me too.
At first I was all like “Awwww. This $h*! is about to get real!!!!!!” Then I was like “Mayne, Bruce Miles be ruining all the fun :((((((((((”
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
"My favorite food is Macaroni and Cheese, from the blue box." Geovany Soto
There's no reason to believe
Will Carroll has the kind of sources that would generate this kind of scoop about the administrative workings of a team.
He is gasping for attention after leaving BPro and burning his bridges.
No one should be untouchable on this roster unless his name is Eliot Ness...or Starlin Castro.
Even Carroll
isn’t standing by this anymore.
But he was the guy who famously reported that Pete Rose was being reinstated.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 14, 2010 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions
*sigh*
Ok…for the last time…oh, never mind!
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the reality has always been
that the chances of Girardi being the next Cubs manager were very slim. I’m sure the Cubs have floated out feelers to see what the chances of Girardi coming are, so there’s still some slim chance of it, I guess, but the chances were always very low, particularly since there are rumors/spec that he has an agreement with the Yankees loosely in place.
The question has always largely been whether or not Girardi would use the Cubs to squeeze the Yankees.
Who knows, maybe you’ll be proven right in some sort of huge shocking news, but it seems quite unlikely.
This makes very little sense
The concept, first off, that Sandberg would serve as an apprentice to then succeed Quade makes no sense. Quade is 53, Sandberg is 51. Why Quade would agree to this type of situation makes little sense. Further, if the Cubs believe that Sandberg is the better long term managerial prospect, then hire him.
Secondly, the idea of having Sandberg serve as bench coach for a manager whose job he covets is a bad idea. IIRC Tom Trebelhorn served as bench coach for Jim Lefebvre and there was bad blood because Lefebvre felt threatened by Trebelhorn, who would eventually succeed him as Cubs manager.
You're absolutely correct, Sandberg would be put
in a half-hearted position in support of Quade as dictated by human nature. I don’t think Quade should be given the job, it’s bad business, if he fails.
doing this is assuming Q will fail
its not like Lou where you knew he would only be around another 3-4 years because of age…quade is young and could go for 10-12 years if CUbs were to keep winning here and there…
I think its Sandberg as mgr and Q stays on staff
Because the Cubs traditionally do
stupid stuff like this? Compared to a College of Coaches, this is brilliant.
But yeah. Pick Quade or pick Sandberg. Don’t try to keep Conan and Jay.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 14, 2010 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Seeing this made me realize just how much I don't want Quade managing the Cubs...
Now if it was between Wedge and Quade……Quade all the way. But its time for new blood. Sanberg or Girardi, former Cubs I know, would bring that. Quade is part of the same crap that the last 2 years brought us.
I have high doubts that this would happen
Now, I think the chances are growing that Sandberg will be in the Cubs org next year even if he doesn’t get the big league job. Whereas with Quade, there has been speculation that teams wanted him but either thought he had the Cubs job locked up or the Cubs weren’t willing to let him interview, with Sandberg, there has been very little indication of serious interest. He’s on the deep backburner for Seattle and Toronto … and that’s about it.
That said, putting Sandberg at bench coach is a thorough slap to Quade, and I really don’t see the Cubs doing it. I think it’s more likely that Sandberg might follow the Quade path and perhaps get the 3rd base coaching job or another role, but I have my doubts. I’m almost certain that Quade will have his choice of who the bench coach is. Hendry may ask Sandberg to be on the staff, as he did for Quade when he hired Lou, but I’ll be fairly stunned if this opens.
I’m hopeful that all the media commentary on Quade means that he will get the job, but I’m still worried that the Cubs will go with Sandberg. As I noted in another post, if people want to keep an eye out on a possible future Cubs manager, I’d look to Casey Kopitzke.
Quade going elsewhere
I’ve thought about what might happen if another team contacted the Cubs about Mike Quade. If they gave permission to that team and the other team wound up hiring Quade, it would take some pressure off of the Cubs. They wouldn’t look so much like the bad guy because another team would hire Quade and the Cubs could then go with Sandberg.
by jeffmills1972 on Oct 16, 2010 5:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Why is everyone focusing on Sandberg?
If this report is true it’s Quade’s gig and he was fabulous at the end of the season. Let’s celebrate that…
Numbers may not lie, but they don’t tell the whole truth (and nothing but the truth), either. -- Doug Glanville
No one like him though
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
"My favorite food is Macaroni and Cheese, from the blue box." Geovany Soto
Because some of us understand
that the number of games Quade managed is basically insignificant. I am not saying he hasn’t done some good things, or isn’t a qualified candidate, but basing it on the results of 37 games is pretty ridiculous.
He didn't do too bad in the minors either
It’s not JUST 37 games.
I've been reading that it is a two way race between Sandberg and Quade
When I read the headline, I believed it. I also read Tom wants Sandberg and Hendry wants Quade. If it were up to me, I’d pick Sandberg.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
"My favorite food is Macaroni and Cheese, from the blue box." Geovany Soto
OT: Since when did Bruce Miles start posting here???????????
He probably thinks we’re all dumb; me the most :’(
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
"My favorite food is Macaroni and Cheese, from the blue box." Geovany Soto
Bruce has posted here occasionally for at least two or three years.
And yes, that’s definitely him.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
If true...
…this is about as stupid as it gets.
The Cubs keep talking about how much pressure the Cub job is and why they need someone to understand Cub history. Yet, they would push a guy on Quade as bench coach who most of the fans want as manager now?
Talk about setting someone up to fail!
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
If true you are
very right . This is very strange to say the least . Never thought it could or would end up this way . Talk about what could be alot of friction ??
It would be the same
if Sandberg were managing at Iowa again
Numbers may not lie, but they don’t tell the whole truth (and nothing but the truth), either. -- Doug Glanville
No it wouldn't!!!
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I think it is a good idea
I think the Cubs organization thinks it’s too much of a hit or miss scenario if Sandberg is the manager on opening day 2011 because if he was and he didn’t do good, then things can go from bad to worse knowing how the fans go from one extreme to another… I mean Sandberg would create a “zing” type of an atmosphere but like I said sometimes “zing” doesn’t always get a ballclub wins.
Plus, this team has come a long way over the past couple of years trying to build off of what came apart from 2008 (team motivation, new owners, bad contracts, frustrating losses, new manager, injuries). And it would be kind of risky to put Sanberg out there at the pivotal point of this “small” rebuilding period.
I think the Cubs organization is going to finesse Sandberg into a magager spot. Maybe set aside some moves to be made pending what the Cubs do in 2011.
The only way I think the Cubs would move Sandberg to replace Quade during next season is if the season is going just as bad as this year’s team was and a bold move needs to be made.
Just take any necessary means to keep Sandberg in the Cubs organization. Maybe he will stay because of his team pride but you just never know these days (LeBron James outcome).
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by #1 iowan cubs fan on Oct 14, 2010 9:04 PM CDT reply actions
Has there ever been any other managers...
… who has been in shoes like Quade was this last season, been rehired as manager over big names, and then STUNK the next season? Seems obvious that Hendry wants Yankee Joe… but if Hendry hires Quade, and the Cubs stink next year, I would think Hendry would be gone.
Maybe true if he hires either Joe or Ryno… but I just wonder if Quade is a riskier pick for Hendry?
For Hendry
It seems like he’s in a spot where the moves or decisions he says that’s going to work out in the long or short or whatever run better work out or he’s one foot out the door, if he isn’t already.
I don’t know if that translates to the Cubs organization putting an ultimatum or probationary period on Hendry over what type of performance he displays over the next “X” amount of time he’s given to do it. We’ll find out soon enough.
Jack Brickhouse: "Hey! Hey!"
Harry Caray: "Holy Cow!"
Vince Lloyd: "The Chicago Cubs are on the Air!"
Len Casper: "Oh Baby!"
Bob Brenly: "Give it to a Kid!"
Ron Santo: "YES!", "All Right!, let's do it!", "Oh No!", "Oh jeez come on!" AND...
"This Is The Year!"
by #1 iowan cubs fan on Oct 14, 2010 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions
if the cubs suck next year with girardi, sandberg, quade, or the flying spaghetti monster
hendry will be gone
I Like Mike
by jesus christos on Oct 14, 2010 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't make fun of my religion!!!!
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
"My favorite food is Macaroni and Cheese, from the blue box." Geovany Soto
FSM and JC
not bad for one post
Eamus Ursuli!
...
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
"My favorite food is Macaroni and Cheese, from the blue box." Geovany Soto
Now I finally get the Noodle Statue - It was a holy apparition !!!
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Dang - I thought I had it all figured out. If only Quade were left-handed...
…then it all would have made sense – Hendry’s going with a platoon at the manager position!
But alas, Quade is right-handed, so it’s back to the drawing board.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
He can be switch, can't he?
Like how successful the Milton Bradley thing went
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
"My favorite food is Macaroni and Cheese, from the blue box." Geovany Soto
Naw, Sandberg hits both righties and lefties way better than Quade
Now pass the chalk.
How about Girardi as manager, Quade at third, Sandberg for the bench, and Listach at first. Sign them to lifetime contracts and call them “The Untouchables.”
"I'd rather hit home runs you don't have to run as hard." -- Dave Kingman
by BucknerKongCardenal on Oct 14, 2010 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, we already know Listach can hit from the right side (3B coach's box)...
I guess when we play the Marlins, we’ll find out if he can hit from the left side (1B coach’s box) too.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I wish that twit or tweet was twue
Hire Quade and hope he’s the next Joe Madden, while peppering Sandberg with some chill mentoring. Sandberg is off the bus, living an upgraded lifestyle, and wearing the blue again. I would hope he has the ego to do this for a few years at the very least. Quade would be at the pinnacle of his career and I think he has the ego to do this, too, without feeling thretened by Sandberg. Some of the posts suggest some guaranteed instant Machiavelian rivalry between the two. Fact is the bench coach or third base coach is always a possibility for the manager’s job, at least in the short term. I would hope both Quade and Sandberg could put on the blue and work together, and if they aren’t willing, I’m not sure either is worthy of the top job.
"I'd rather hit home runs you don't have to run as hard." -- Dave Kingman
by BucknerKongCardenal on Oct 14, 2010 9:47 PM CDT reply actions
quade mngr?
Quade deserves a shot based on the way the cubs finished the season; this guy has paid his dues; sign him to a 1-yr deal with an option; walt alston had, i believe, a 1-yr contract that turned into 24 1-yr contracts. quade knows how to coach and seems to get the best out of his players. i loved the way he stayed with Cashner, did more running, and seemed to really win over the club with his personality. Here are my views for next yr; keep brining up the young kids. The 5 Cs have a bright future with the Cubs: Colivn, Cashner, Coleman, Castillo, and Castro. Keep and regularly play all of them next yr. Other recommendations keep Barney, Maine, and Smarj on the big squad. Also next yr let’s see Archer, the 2 Jacksons, McNutt, and Vitters up on the big squad at some point. The young guys all did great this year; keep em coming!!!!! Thanks Mr. Wilkin Yes, we could possibly use another front line pitcher, preferably left hander, and possibly a left handed first baseman. I wouldn’t get Dunn, however; he strikes out too much and is a liability in the field. AQ would be better, but I personally would like to see someone in the Mark Grace mold; great in the field, with a good OBP. Out here Al!!!!
All the best
Neal
Quade & Dallas Green
Dallas Green was 19-11 in 1979 with the Phillies after he took over as manager to replace Danny Ozark. The next year they won the World Series. The initial plan was for Green to be manager for an interim basis and Philadelphia was going to hire Whitey Herzog for the 1980 season. That didn’t happen, though, because the Phillies front office was very impressed with how the players responded to Green at the end of the 1979 season. One big difference was that a lot of the players disliked Green. Some of them were still upset that Danny Ozark was fired. This carried over into 1980 which was a very tense year for Dallas Green and the Phillies players.
I’ve read that Ryan Dempster endorsed Mike Quade, but didn’t the Orioles players endorse Dave Trembley 2 years ago? And where is he now?
by jeffmills1972 on Oct 16, 2010 5:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Haven't we already established that you need a mustache to win a Championship in this town?
So what do the Cubs do? They hire a guy that can’t grow hair!
(Btw, that was just a joke for all you sensitive people out there)
Superteams suck.
This guy says you're full of it
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Here's what I think is the likely scenario
Cubs management doesn’t have faith with their 2011 team contending. They keep Quade because of the magic he pulled with this under performing team.
If Quade can’t repeat success they’ll can him shortly into the season and promote Sandberg. If Quade is successful, the job will be Sandberg’s whenever Quade steps down (which could be after 2011 season).
out of curiosity
why would Quade step down after 2011 if he is successful?
Actually looking back
I don’t know why I said that…I just personally don’t visiion him as a long-term manager of the team. I see someone like Sandberg being that guy.
If this is true, and if Quade and Sandberg relate well, then I am very happy!
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
No mention of this report in the Tribune dead-tree edition
I saw this report referred to on some Thursday night sportscast, but no mention of it in the Tribune.
Does anyone know how accurate Will carroll has been in the past with his sources?
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
Don't know.
What I do know is that I have heard from my sources that there’s nothing to this.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
You may need to add version numbers to this rumor circle
v 1.0, v 1.2, etc
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by RiskyBusiness on Oct 15, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not real good
apart from injury information. He has a ton of contacts with trainers and medical doctors. But his most famous “scoop” was that Selig was going to reinstate Pete Rose a few years ago.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 15, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
What about JOE ?
He was the runer up to Lou and is available after this post season. Cub’s will also speak with him prior to announcing
"If The Phone Doesn't Ring, It's Me"
Cub’s will also speak with him prior to announcing
And you know this how?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
It's the ONLY logical thing to do, Al, ya know? Cover one's ass?
Obviously there’s questions in Hendry’s and/or Ricketts’ minds about Sandberg or Quade or a Sandberg/Quade combination. If not, then why don’t they name the freakin’ manager already…sheesh!? There hasn’t been this much suspense in Chicago since Geraldo opened Capone’s vault. It really makes one wonder if this is gonna be totally FUBAR…another one of those decisions that makes you just shake your head and reach for that bottle of Wild Turkey that’s been on the shelf since God knows when. I get text messages from buddies of mine (Cardinal fans)…about 3 or 4 a day, saying “Ya know they’re gonna screw this up, don’t ya?” It can’t be possible, can it? Girardi, Sandberg or Quade…my choice obviously is Girardi, but, choose any of the 3 and we’re ALL happy…even Hendry can’t botch this…can he?
Joe Girardi...2011 Chicago Cubs Manager...Maybe...50/50?
Adam Dunn..2011 Chicago Cubs First Baseman - 3 yrs/$42 mill with a club option for a 4th.
Oh, for heaven's sake.
Maybe they just don’t want to wait. Maybe they want someone in place now — now, meaning maybe next week, not a week ago. Maybe they already found out through back channel discussions that Girardi’s staying.
I think many of us here have made assumptions about things we know nothing about, maybe myself included. However, I have heard things that lead me to believe that this will happen sooner rather than later.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I think we BOTH can at least agree on ONE thing...
…if it’s NOT Giradi, Sandberg or Quade, then it’s an absolute and full blown failure. They try to put anyone else in that position and this fan base will run them right out of town following the first 3 game losing streak…and I don’t believe I’m the only one who thinks that.
Joe Girardi...2011 Chicago Cubs Manager...Maybe...50/50?
Adam Dunn..2011 Chicago Cubs First Baseman - 3 yrs/$42 mill with a club option for a 4th.
You need a Jump to Conclusions mat.
Results are the only things that truly matter. Anyone hired to manage the Chicago Cubs will be in a pressure-packed situation. Girardi’s previous success, Quade’s stint at the end of 2010 and Ryno’s HOF career will not protect them more than another candidate if the Cubs start badly.
That’s why there’s been so much attention here on who will best handle the pressure. We’ve all been speculating wildly as to who would be best suited for that, but the point is that the pressure for any candidate will be virtually the same.
You won’t be able to rate any hiring decision as a failure until after the season, and maybe not even at that point.
Totally disagree...
Girardi, Sandberg or Quade can start the season out 10-15 and get away with it…any other manger gets chastized.
Joe Girardi...2011 Chicago Cubs Manager...Maybe...50/50?
Adam Dunn..2011 Chicago Cubs First Baseman - 3 yrs/$42 mill with a club option for a 4th.
If memory serves ...
you also said that Starlin Castro’s defense made Ryan Theriot look like a Gold Glover. I apologize if I’m attributing that to you in error.
Any manager would get chastised with a 10-15 start with this team, in this town.
Sorry...not as optimistic with Castro's defense as most are here...
27 errors and a .950 FP speaks volumes…but, that’s a whole other topic.
Joe Girardi...2011 Chicago Cubs Manager...Maybe...50/50?
Adam Dunn..2011 Chicago Cubs First Baseman - 3 yrs/$42 mill with a club option for a 4th.
OK ...
but Ryan Theriot as a Gold Glover? I mean, there’s exaggeration to make a point and then there are comments like THAT.
OK...how about makes Shawon Dunston look like a Gold Glover?...
…Anyway, I think you understood the point I was making.
Joe Girardi...2011 Chicago Cubs Manager...Maybe...50/50?
Adam Dunn..2011 Chicago Cubs First Baseman - 3 yrs/$42 mill with a club option for a 4th.
I think your exaggeration was ridiculous.
And, to be perfectly frank, I have a hard time figuring out when you’re being sincere and when you’re wildly exaggerating after the Theriot/Castro comment.
Really? Sarcasm is hard for you?
I guess I should keep my Cashner/Howry comparison to myself then, ya think?
Joe Girardi...2011 Chicago Cubs Manager...Maybe...50/50?
Adam Dunn..2011 Chicago Cubs First Baseman - 3 yrs/$42 mill with a club option for a 4th.
errors and FP speaks volumes?
It really doesn’t. There’s fair questions on Castro’s defense, but using errors and FP now as a factor to indicate that his future defense might not be good enough? If you want to point out the standard C-1st speed issue, along with the lower body growth concerns, fair enough. But young players make mistakes, particularly at that position. No one is penciling him in as an elite guy defensively, though.
Not talking about the future...
…he may turn out to be the next Ozzie Smith…I’m talkin’ about now. He can get to balls that others can’t, but, if he gets the ball and then skips it past 1B or sends one into the stands, it’s worse than if he’d have let it go through.The ones right at him are the ones he screws up alot. He’ll get better. He must. Defense up the middle is crucial. I’m just not sure I’d put the “franchise” tag on him.
Joe Girardi...2011 Chicago Cubs Manager...Maybe...50/50?
Adam Dunn..2011 Chicago Cubs First Baseman - 3 yrs/$42 mill with a club option for a 4th.
Would you agree though, that if they don't make an announcement by end of next week...
…i.e. before the World Series starts, then things could get real interesting?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I guess.
But then, presuming the Yankees are in the WS, Girardi is likely extended by them.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I agree with you on this point, Al...
…the longer Girardi stays alive in the playoffs, the less likely he is to leave NY. I’m hopin’ for Texas to win this series as fast as possible, but, not sure they got the horses to do it.
Joe Girardi...2011 Chicago Cubs Manager...Maybe...50/50?
Adam Dunn..2011 Chicago Cubs First Baseman - 3 yrs/$42 mill with a club option for a 4th.
See, I'd take the opposite viewpoint
If Yankees get beat, I don’t think Girardi would want to leave on a losing note. And at this point, I can’t envision Yankees NOT wanting Girardi back, even if they get swept by Rangers
I’d think if Yankees win it all, the more likely Girardi would be willing to leave. Not that winning WS titles ever gets boring, but winning back-to-back championships might seem like old hat to him and he’d want bigger challenges. Sure, a three-peat is a huge challenge, but wouldn’t you say that winning the WS with the Cubs trumps that?
Of course, if the Yankees win it all, that would most likely increase NY’s desire in retaining him and obviously their checkbook is bigger than the Cubs. But the highest bidder doesn’t always win.
Of course, I’m still not going to root for the Yankees.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Who would replace Girardi in NY?
Realistically, who would replace Joe Girardi as manager in NY? Don Mattingly could have been a replacement, but he’s with the Dodgers. Joe Torre isn’t coming back any more than Billy Martin is. Bobby Valentine could be a guy that they’d look at. Tony LaRussa is another guy that they’d probably consider. And Willie Randolph is available now that the Brewers aren’t hiring him.
by jeffmills1972 on Oct 16, 2010 4:54 AM CDT up reply actions
The Ferrari or the Milk Truck..
Hmmmmm let me think. I really dont think Joe is going anywhere. Did he deal with the New York pressure cooker? Has he been a winner? Does he have the most support any team in MLB can throw at a manager? Is there more money and greater national exposure to be had in NY? I would assume it would be his call as I am not aware of any reason the Yanks would want to get rid of him. Hall of fame or challenge in Chicago… I just dont see it. Not to sound too harsh but the Cubs have a long line to tow. This team needs a manager who is a builder with a desire for their own personal success. Someone who is hungry and can get their hands dirty turning the Milk Truck into a Ferarri. Someone new who has not won before just like the young players on this team who we will be counting on for the next few seasons. There are not many gift assignments out there. The Cubs need drive.
There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.
by truelinkfence on Oct 16, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Completely unrelated
But I’ve never been a Yankee hater. I admire what they’ve accomplished. I still envision the Cubs as the sleeping giant — the money, the fan base…to be the Yankees of the NL.
I dream a lot.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 15, 2010 6:39 PM CDT reply actions
I heard the same thing you did
I live in the NY area and I heard that his family wants to go back home to Chicago and that if he wins the World Series with the Yanks he would like to manage the Cubs.
The likeliest scenario
I think that Hendry/Ricketts are still holding out hope for the possibility that Joe Girardi becomes available. If he does, Girardi will be hired over Ryno and Quade. However, I don’t believe that Girardi will leave the Yankees. Especially if they win the pennant or the World Series. If the Cubs were a contender this year, it might be a different story. I just don’t see Joe Girardi going from a team that is a perennial contender to a team coming off a bad year that will be cutting payroll and going younger in 2011.
Quade did a very good job as manager and if he isn’t hired it’s going to be hard to justify picking someone else over him. He could then leave the Cubs organization to go to another one as a coach or manager. However, Sandberg has had success in the minors and knows a lot of the young players currently on the team. He’s also a Hall of Famer who is loved and respected by Cubs fans. If the Cubs pick Quade or someone else over Sandberg, Ryno could leave the organization to go to another as a coach or manager. This presents a dilemna because there will be an initial backlash from fans who will see it as a slight to a man who’s given so much to this organization. And Jim Hendry is already on thin ice as it is.
In fairness to Hendry, none of us know what occurred during the interviews. And we can’t just pick a person for manager because we’re a fan. The Cubs have to make the right choice, the best one. I think the right and best choice would be for Jim Hendry and Tom Ricketts to offer the job to Ryne Sandberg. I would tell Mike Quade that we appreciate everything that he’s done for the organization and offer him the bench coach job. It would be totally understandable if he declined that and wanted to coach or manage elsewhere. Ricketts is a Cubs fan or so he says and he should know better than to slight a Cubs icon. He also isn’t stupid. The Cubs fans are not happy with how the team has done the last two years. Attendance was starting to drop towards the end of the year. For a long time the Cubs fans have been steadfastly loyal and supportive of the team even when they’ve been a losing team…which has been a lot. Hiring Sandberg as manager will be a popular choice, but it isn’t like this is 2006 when Ryno had no managerial experience. He’s done it and he’s done well. He’s well-respected and he’s taken a career route after playing baseball which most former players especially stars don’t do. And, more importantly, he loves the Cubs and wants badly to manage this team. He loves the Cubs almost as much as Billy Martin loved the Yankees. As Sparky Lyle once said, “If you tell Billy Martin he can’t manage the Yankees anymore, you might as well just stick a knife into his chest.” I don’t want to see that happen with Ryne Sandberg.
So, Mike Quade, thank you. Thank you for all of your service and loyalty to the Cubs. I sincerely appreciate everything that you’ve done and I hope that you stay with the Cubs organization. But a choice has to be made and like many people here I feel that the best choice for Cubs manager is Ryne Sandberg. Will there be people out there that say he’s a risk? You bet. But we’re the Cubs. We know all about taking risks. Nothing comes easy for us or this organization. And there are sure to be peaks and valleys with Ryne Sandberg if he’s hired as manager. Hopefully he won’t continue his streak of struggling in April before getting hot in May.
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