Mike Quade Named Cubs Manager
by Al Yellon on Oct 19, 2010 11:10 AM CDT
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Via tweet from Carrie Muskat. More details later.
UPDATE: It's a two-year deal:
The Cubs and manager Mike Quade have reached agreement on a two-year contract with a club option for the 2013 season. A press conference will be held today at 3:00 p.m. which will be aired live on Comcast SportsNet and streamed on CSNChicago.com.
Comment from me: I'm fine with this. Quade did a nice job. I was in favor of Ryne Sandberg -- not sure what will happen with him. Maybe we'll find out at the news conference. Interesting timing -- it'll begin at the same time as the NLCS game today.
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I just don't
see that happening. Just seems like that would be inviting a messy situation.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Oct 19, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree,
Ricketts has likely just alienated team’s future “living legend”, at least once Ernie, Billy, and Ron pass, which I hope is not for a long, long time.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
don't be surprised if he gets a coaching slot, though
Hendry got Quade onto Lou’s staff. There’s a chance Ryno is given some sort of push to the big leagues. I doubt as bench coach. I doubt Ryno wants to go back to the minors, because if his goal is to reach the bigs, then he knows he needs MLB experience to get a better shot.
Yeah
It sure sounds that way from the comments coming out.
When Girardi went to FL were the bridges burned there?
Bridges are only burned if there are promises made behind the scenes that were not kept or backed out….
That said I think this has as much hiring as any of the three dozen other managers hired by the Cubs since and before Durocher.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
the deal
WSCR is reporting that the deal will be a two year deal with a club option for a third year.
sounds fair
Was going to be tough for any mgr. taking over now, but that’s a fair contract for someone like Quade.
Flexibility
IMO this is what this deal provides. Hopefully the team improves, but if it doesn’t, and if there is a change in the front office, Quade’s deal won’t impede anything. Further, ownership won’t have to let Sandberg, a fan favorite, go, before being given a few years.
The two year deal, then...
… expires when Hendry’s does. If the team improves in the two years, expect them both to be extended. If not, they’ll start over at that time.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
So, who is going to be the manager in 2013?
With a Hendry-driven roster, Quade’s job sub-title is “cannon fodder.”
Girardi for manager in 2013!...
…and Adam Dunn at 1B! They’ll figure it out eventually.
Say it ain't so, Joe!!!
LOL
So you’re apparently rooting for Quade to fail? Because if the team wins and he does a good job, he’ll certainly be extended.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Nah...I hope he wins 100 games a year...
…I always said I was OK with Quade or Sandberg. My NEW push is for Greinke now. Even gave up on Dunn. After reading A-Gon sweet talk about the Cubs a couple weeks back, I believe waiting on him would be a better choice. Let’s hope this NEW manager keeps us in the race at the trade deadline and maybe we can snag A-Gon and sign him to an extension.
However…let me make this perfectly clear (LOL)…if the Yankees get dumped by the Rangers and Girardi gets canned, if Hendry isn’t fired 3 seconds after Girardi is, I’m taking my ball and going home.
Say it ain't so, Joe!!!
I feel bad for Ryno.
But I’m fine with this decision. Without knowing either men or interviewing them, I was leaning slightly toward Quade.
I truly hope Sandberg is NOT the bench coach. That could be a difficult situation.
How would you feel with him as third base coach?
That is what my husband sort of wants/suggested.
Look into my eyes!
by katie casey on Oct 19, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Against.
I think Ryno’s a good guy, but I don’t want even the idea of him as a circling vulture to affect the next couple seasons.
I don't see Ryno so much as a vulture
as the media might make him out to be one.
Look into my eyes!
by katie casey on Oct 19, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
True enough.
We may not even know this afternoon — Quade may be given time to pick his coaches.
In any case it’ll probably be the first question.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Think of Quade as 3B coach
You never heard a word from him. Good soldier. I think Ryno would be the same.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 19, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
A good Leader
surrounds himself with people who are smarter than he is….If Ryno fits that description then he should absolutely be on Quade’s staff.
"All I want is food and creative love" - Rusted Root
by TheRiot Police on Oct 19, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
That's what Julius Caesar said...
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 19, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Does Ryno strike you as having a 'lean and hungry' look?
"From childhood's hour I have not been as others were - I have not seen as others saw." - Alone, Edgar Allan Poe
Close enough
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 19, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Just kidding
The Cesaer thing just popped into my head.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 19, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Absolutely agree with you for once, elgato...
…there’s gonna be enough pressure on Quade without him having to keep 2nd guessing himself, because, having your replacement sitting 10 feet from you an entire game, one WOULD constantly be 2ng guessing ones self, I’d think. And the media would ride the “I wonder if Ryno woulda played it the same way” horse after every failed hit and run or bull pen blow up.
Ryno needs to go start his managerial career somewhere else…for now. I hope he’s successful.
Say it ain't so, Joe!!!
the coaching situation should be interesting
there are certain organizational guys that the Cubs will want to reward. Since Quade has been here, he’s probably develop some sort of relationship with them. Quade will get to pick a few slots – my guess is that bench coach will be his call (still looking at the Macha spec out there).
Booby Scales? ;)
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 19, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I feel bad for Ryno.
Well, if Ryno ever hopes to be the Cubs’ manager he’s going to have to get used to failure anyway.
That's the attitude we hope changes.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Oct 19, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hoping for more of the same from Quade
That 38 game sample size is a little small. I hope we don’t get burned by it, and miss out on Sandberg, who I thought was ready for the gig.
Scott Bora$ is satan.
by Canadian Cubs Fan on Oct 19, 2010 11:14 AM CDT reply actions
How can you say that?
Quade has as much (and more) experience in the minors and the Big Leagues than Ryno.
What makes you think Ryno is more qualified than Quade?
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
by CubFanSince1970 on Oct 19, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
100% agree
It’s kind of annoying to hear “Ryne put his time in by coaching in the minors, he deserves a chance at the big league job.”
No, he doesn’t. He doesn’t deserve anything. Hiring a coach because he “deserves it” is ridiculous. You hire the best man for the job. This isn’t some Joe Schmoe Company that promotes based on the time they’ve been with said company. Plus, you want to talk about earning your stripes in the minors…Quade has a ton more experience in that relm over Ryno, AND has some time with the big club.
I don’t think Quade is far and away the better choice, all I’m saying is, to those who will lose their collective crap because Ryno wasn’t hired, need a bit of reality check.
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
Let's put it this way.
As everyone here knows, I came out in favor of Sandberg early and often. I still think he would have done a good job.
However, he’s not the guy. Mike Quade is. Quade did a good job for 37 games… I think he deserves our support, at least for now. I’m disappointed Sandberg wasn’t hired, but I’m OK with Quade.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
but why?
why did you just watch your team do the opposite of what you wanted, and youre 100% okay with it? please explain this one to me. i dont get it.
Great moments...are born...from great opportunity.
And that's what you have here...tonight, boys.
That's what you've EARNED here, tonight.
Because the guy who was hired did a good job and I'm willing to wait and see how he does.
If they’d have hired someone like Bob Melvin — now, THEN I’d have been pissed.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Oct 19, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Amen.
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
yeah, i will absolutely agree that
in any other “normal” circumstance, quade would be a quality hire.
but this is not an average circumstance. we are talking about a unique team in a unique situation. and the cubs went out and made an average hire against the hopes and wishes of the majority of their fans. i dont understand.
Great moments...are born...from great opportunity.
And that's what you have here...tonight, boys.
That's what you've EARNED here, tonight.
But, really
the wishes of the fans is just that…wishes. Yeah I know they buy the tickets and the merchandise, etc etc etc. But, that doesn’t make it an “average hire” just because it’s not what the majority of the fans wanted.
There’s nothing that guarantees Sandberg would’ve been the next managerial legend (as what some people think he’s going to be) and there’s nothing guaranteed that Quade will be a bomb. I think Al is asking us to let this play out, and see what happens, and that’s what I’m going to do as well. Because we’re not fortune tellers.
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
and yeah, thats what makes me
NOT call for hendry’s head right now (as much as i hate him). because quade has exactly the same upside as ryno does. strictly from a managerial standpoint.
but then there are external factors. ryno would have brought in more gate receipts, more merchandise sales, more tv viewings, he would have been able to work with instead of against the media, he would immediately command the players respect and attention during a 4 game losing streak or something in a way idk if quade can simply because of his name.
Great moments...are born...from great opportunity.
And that's what you have here...tonight, boys.
That's what you've EARNED here, tonight.
While I certainly agree with you about all the things Ryno would’ve brought in…
I think there was just as much of a chance, though, that say he got the manager job – the Cubs stink it up, he can’t live up the outrageous expectations that are thrusted upon him, he’s blasted again and again by fans and the media, and he simply decides managing the Cubs is not for him.
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
well, one, i think hes just a bit tougher than that
but youre right, it COULD happen. it could also happen with quade if he loses! what makes quade immune?
Great moments...are born...from great opportunity.
And that's what you have here...tonight, boys.
That's what you've EARNED here, tonight.
Nothing.
It could (and has) happen to anyone. But, the expectations with Quade compared to how they’d be with Ryno, are substantially less.
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
i mean
were still talking about the cubs here. expectations are completely irrational.
but whats to say ryno doesnt deserve those expectations? i think he can handle it. hes a big boy. quade might be great. all im saying is i think the cubs made the wrong decision here, and my reasoning lies off the field, not on it.
Great moments...are born...from great opportunity.
And that's what you have here...tonight, boys.
That's what you've EARNED here, tonight.
Understood.
I think we’re both talking about reasoning from different areas.
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
What makes you think
Quade was an “average” hire? And why should what the fans want be considered for more than 2 seconds?
by SouthWabashSoul on Oct 19, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Worse Managerial Hires in 2010 or 2009:
Ned Yost, Royals
Eric Wedge, Mariners
Whomever The Brewers Hire, Brewers
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
He clearly was like 51 percent of Sandberg and 49 percent for Quade.
Or something similar.
Nah, probably more like 70-30.
But I wasn’t anti-Quade.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Same here, and
I don’t see where Sandberg as bench coach is some kind of problem. It all depends on the backroom discussions. If Sandberg and Quade were both cool with Sandberg as bench coach, why not?
Surely Sandberg realizes he has never managed in the majors, and that a coaching job in the majors is a (small than expected) step up. On the other hand, Quade once again proves that the Cubs take care of their people — not a minus for a coach and possible future manager.
I liked and preferred Quade
but its a very tough situation for any manager to walk into right now. The club has, what’s the word I’m trying to think of, a lot of ill-fitting parts. Talent, in the end, is still the most important equation.
This is so sad on every level. Why did Ryno work his way up again?
Now we have to watch Sandberg manage in another uniform because there is no way he’s staying in the organization…
Ryno will be fine.
He’s going to get another job elsewhere, if not this year, then next.
Ryno
He may go somewhere else to be a coach, but he needs to understand that
a) This is a difficult stretch for the Cubs. Staying here may be his best option at a major league job. I like Quade, and I hope he succeeds, but it’s a difficult spot.
b) Ryno has far more traction here than elsewhere.
Let him cut his managerial teeth
in another town. It’s not like he will never come here.
And besides, who said HoF players make good managers anyway; the news media?
Besides I wanted BB in the dugout to kick some lazy asses like Ramirez and Soriano.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Oct 19, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I feel conflicted!I like Quade, and his body of work so far...
And the players seem to like him and want to play for him. But Ryno going elsewhere makes me sad. But for now, Go Quade!
Cubs Flu got you down this fall? Take a good ol' dose of Bears Fever to fix you right up
This franchise is such a joke
The Cubs aren’t gonna be good next year anyway, they should’ve just given Ryno the job and let him grow into it with a young team. Instead, the nightmare of a general manager is scared for his job so he hires this idiot because he won a few games with nothing on the line on September. Oh well, more of the same for those Cubbies! At least Hendry will be gone in a year or two
Superteams suck.
Please enlighten us ...
how exactly is Mike Quade an idiot?
Sorry, I corrected that. I was wrong to term it that way.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 19, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Btw, "Idiot" is prob a bit harsh for Quade, but I'm not a fan, and I'm a little angry at the moment.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 19, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
It's not so much my dislike for Quade as it is my wanting Ryno to get it
I just feel like this is a thing where Hendry is under pressure, so he’s going with an “experienced” guy. I would’ve liked to see them go young, with the players, and the manager, And build this thing up the right way. Next year is gonna be AWFUL.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 19, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
You know...
…. they may see Quade as a Joe Maddon type, who flew under the radar for a long time.
He just might surprise us.
FWIW, Quade is only two years older than Sandberg.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Ok, but why did we hear nothing about this guy prior to his little run?
This feels like they were out of ideas, and/or scared to give the job to Ryno, so they went with the status quo. Very uninspired move for a new owner. This whole thing just feels stale to me.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 19, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
This makes no sense.
Had you heard of Joe Maddon four years ago? Would you have heard of Sandberg had he not been the Cubs AAA manager?
Who was the Cubs AAA manager before Sandberg? Do you even know?
listache (sp)
Great moments...are born...from great opportunity.
And that's what you have here...tonight, boys.
That's what you've EARNED here, tonight.
I was asking Juicebox.
Now, there’s a sentence I never thought I’d write.
Quade.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
Didn't you notice him coaching third base?
Even I heard of him prior to “his little run.”
Look into my eyes!
by katie casey on Oct 19, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Generally prefaced by "Whyyyyyy?"
And “Bring back Wendell Kim!”
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Actually, I think not noticing the third base coach
is a good thing.
Look into my eyes!
by katie casey on Oct 19, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
keep in mind
that MLB people were buzzing about Quade earlier iin the year. Granted, part of it might be Hendry talking about liking him (well known Hendry has been a big fan), but Quade was getting a lot of buzz, just not publically.
I don't need inspired
That’s baker and Lou with bows wraped on them. Quade has been a good soldier – did him job quietly without drawing attention to himself.
Best thing he did on his run was show he could handle the media with candor and genuine emotion, but without getting upset.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 19, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Quade is 53, Ryno is 51.
‘young’ is two years.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Oct 19, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow, you actually think that's impressive, huh?
You guys are too easy. See ya in a year for more of the same.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 19, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Your hatred for Quade is unfounded
this man has excellent managerial qualities and will do a fine job with the 2011 Cubs.
Point out to us why Sandberg is SO much better than Quade?
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
by CubFanSince1970 on Oct 19, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
the problem with that thinking is that
A ryno hiring likely would’ve increased the pressure on everyone. Could the organization simply let Ryno fail? It would’ve been a tough situation. When you factor in that Quade, IMO, was simply a better managerial candidate (sure he lacked the Q-rating, but IMO, he was equal or better than Ryno in every other area you’d consider in a managerial hire), and I think Hendry made the right call ehre.
juicebox posts on not-blogabull?
by Uncle Stanley McGoober on Oct 19, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I was thinking the same thing.
He was lurking, waiting for Quade to be hired.
Ugh, don’t want to think about the BlogaBron days…
I was firmly for Sandberg, but Im OK with Quade.
Just hoping for the best. Really, really hoping.
Sandberg for manager!
Kinda. Katie's QUADE!!!!! post got me thinking about the movie
I was going to go for the head almost exploding image, but saw this one and figured it was more apt.
Now if Ryno would have gotten the job, I coulda used the head almost exploding image to describe NBF… ;-)
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by digitalbenjamin on Oct 19, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Bittersweet.
I am fine with this but I feel bad for Sandberg. The great “What if?” to me is what if Lou had
finished out the season and Quade did not have those 6 weeks to show his stuff? I doubt he would have gotten the job. Ironic but those things happen.
Here in another link if needed
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/10/cubs-hire-mike-quade.html
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 19, 2010 11:19 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Very true.
I’m fine with this. Quade did a good job. Now, let’s see who he names to his coaching staff.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
All true.
But it’s funny that you’re (indirectly) blaming Lou for something one last time. :)
I hope you are kidding
I am not blaming Lou , just pointing it out. I do honestly believe that for whatever reason Hendry wax not comfortable with Sandberg.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 19, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
I am sort of kidding, DS.
But it was funny to me that you said you liked Sandberg, and then pointed out that Quade wouldn’t have gotten the job without Lou’s early departure.
Please, don’t take offense. I think you’re right, but it was amusing to me that you made the comment, given your long-standing dislike of Lou.
Cool?
Believe it or not had no favorite in this one
I did vote in the poll because I liked them both and saw both as good choices.
However we are totally cool.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 19, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
I see.
You feel bad for Sandberg but didn’t ’favor him. Gotcha.
Yep one of the few issues I did not have an opinion
I thought it was a win win. I do hope Sandberg can get an MLB job with another team
as manager or coach.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 19, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
thats how I felt – I wanted them both for their own qualities but would have been happy with either – I am happy with Quade – GOOOOOO Q!
by hansman1982 on Oct 19, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
OOPS did NOT vote in the poll
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 19, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I didn't either.
Couldn’t choose between Quade and Sandberg. I did vote in the one on who we thought would get it. I thought for sure it would be Sandberg. Wrongo.
Look into my eyes!
by katie casey on Oct 19, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Neither did I.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
Interesting
I wonder how much the Cubs will pay him. It has to be less than what they paid Dusty or Lou and what they would have paid Giardi.
My guess would be that
he’ll be one of the lowest paid managers in baseball, but that’s just a guess.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
Not sure, but low.
Quade will probably make about as much as Ned Yost or whomever is managing Oakland.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
just another
pitiful example of Ricketts going cheap…bleh
/snark
by hansman1982 on Oct 19, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I like the deal.
From all I have heard, Quade is considered to be a sound baseball man. He knows the organization at both the major and minor league levels. The team appeared to want him as the next manager. He’s low profile, I think. And, its a two-year, low risk contract. All-in-all, I like the deal. I hope he keeps Dernier as first base coach, the team seemed to run the bases better with him there. And Scales for 3rd base coach!!!
Only time will tell if we made the right move.
Best of luck to Mike Quade and the Cubs!
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
ha Scales as 3rd base coach
although I could see Bobby getting into coaching after this – he’s stuck around this long, he likes being around the game by all accounts, and that level of grit and work ethic is a positive for coaching.
He likely isn't ready for it at the major league level,
but I could it see it happening down the road. I believe he was a teacher in past offseasons as well, so he’s got that going for him, which is nice.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
the Cubs are good
about giving deserving guys coaching shots if they want it, and if Scales said he did and wanted to hang it up, I imagine they’d consider it.
I think Scales will be offered a coaching job in the organization.
MLB 3B coach? Not yet. Minor league manager? Very possible.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I LOVE ME SOME BOBBY SCALES
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
SHUT UP DAN.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 19, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
What? He'll be our starting second baseman next year! (Sarcasm Font)
Oh, wait, Lou isn’t here anymore.
In all seriousness, I hope he does get a chance to coach at some level in the organization. He’s played in the bigs, albeit sparsely, and is familiar with the current outfielders at this level. He could be a solid 3rd base coach.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
sorry, meant to say minor league job
and I doubt it’d be minor league manager. Likely as some sort of XST/roving type instructor if he wanted to get into the coaching biz.
He'll get to be the 3B coach at Peoria, then Daytona, then Tennessee, then Iowa, then NOT GIVEN THE CUBS JOB.
MLBMilestone.com - following the numbers to Cooperstown
I don't see why Ryno
can’t get a little MLB coaching/managing experience while Quade takes the next 2-3 years. Are we so caught up in the concept that there has to be conflict because Ryno is “the Chosen One” that we can’t imagine Ryne Sandberg being smart enough to know that he needs some time next to the hot-seat instead of being dropped into it?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
The issue is fans and media
Screaming “WTF? Ryno’s right there!” after every loss for the next two years.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Oct 19, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
yeah, and
we all know how smart THOSE guys are…
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Oct 19, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Full disclosure
I had placed the word “idiot” between “is” and “fans” in that sentence, but then I deleted it hitting “Post”.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
agreed
Ryno can fit on the coaching staff. Bench coach is a bit too much, but he can find a spot, and I imagine they may offer him one. Will come down to whether or not he wants to stick around. He has more traction in Chicago … on the other hand, going to another org will allow him to build more connections to incease his chances at a future head job.
I'm sure they talked to him before hiring Quade.
Like, we don’t want you to leave. We still think you need some experience, though. Quade and the Cubs would love you to get it here.
lol, how exactly did he "earn" it?
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 19, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Small sample size alert!
I’m not saying it’s the wrong choice, but the record is not THE reason he got the job.
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by mykalmorgan on Oct 19, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
he had every quality you look for in a manager and he had more experience
a) He’s considered a strong teacher of fundamentals.
b) He has an excellent work ethic.
c) He had success in the minors.
d) He had MLB coaching experience.
e) He’s considered a better in-game tactician, from their minor league days, than Sandberg.
f) He has strong leadership characteristics.
g) He acknowledges the value of statistical analysis to baseball at a time that the Ricketts are trying to “modernize” the Cubs.
h) He has experience in other orgs.
Go on down the line. He was very well qualified for the opportunity.
by toonsterwu on Oct 19, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
All of those things are true.
Like Joe Maddon, he might surprise us.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Let's get him a pair of specks!
There are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. Who says baseball isn't a religion?
::DROOLS::
e) He’s considered a better in-game tactician, from their minor league days, than Sandberg.
g) He acknowledges the value of statistical analysis to baseball at a time that the Ricketts are trying to "modernize" the Cubs.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Oct 19, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Anytime anyone wonders why Quade got the job, just send them this post. For me, “G” is the reason why Quade got this over Ryno.
by SouthWabashSoul on Oct 19, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Though I don't think Quade is the right choice...
Here’s the reasons its a good choice in my opinion….
1) Hendry won’t last that much longer IMO and when we get a new GM, he will more than likely want his own guy.
2) Sandberg would be forced to take on a staff that’s not his whether he liked it or not.
3) Qaude’s being setup for failure and we will expect him to work miracles with a roster that’s in shambles.
4) Qaude’s got ML experience.
I agree...
…with 1, 3 and 4, but I don’t think number 2 would have prevented Sandberg from taking the gig.
Considering the circumstances, I think the Cubs made the right choice, especially with the top of the baseball leadership situation that may see a change in the near future.
Now, the fun begins; what kind of support will Quade get in regards to the assemblance of the best balanced club that has a chance to win. That, IMO, will be the most critical factor as to whether he (or anyone else who would have become manager) will have success.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Not saying it would have...
But I still thinks its shitty for a Mgr not to get to handpick his own staff from top to bottom.
by cubsluver22 on Oct 19, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Most managers operate that way.
Even Lou and Dusty, big-name, experienced guys, didn’t bring in all their own people.
And Dusty brought in some guys we could have done without (Wavin’ Wendell).
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
True...
…and it applies even more to Hendry run clubs.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Let's hope that Q Train keeps on rollin in '11
As for Ryno, he’ll be fine. He’s still the manager of the future and he’s gonna get another job this year to give him more experience. Nothing wrong with letting Ryno manage a team like the Jays for 2 or 3 years. He’ll be just fine.
Counting the days until 4/1/11...
I still say that my preference
as manager of the future is Casey Kopitzke. The reviews on him are simply great, and he should get a bump to A+/AA. don’t be surprised if he’s a coach on the big league staff sooner than later.
So we're fine with 112 years of losing?
Great hire. Mike Quade is Jim Riggleman with less upside.
Glad the Cubs decided a winning record in meaningless games with not-ready-for-major-leagues talent trying to win a spot on the roster deserved one of the best coaching positions in baseball……
They should have waited for Girardi, or hired Sandberg. Plain and simple. Fortunately, this will mean late-season Cubs tickets will be cheap and readily available for the next 2 seasons….
Mike Quade is Jim Riggleman with less upside.
On what actual facts do you base this statement?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I was just about to ask that, too.
Also, how does giving Quade a 2-year deal set the Cubs back for nine more seasons?
Sorry, meant 102 years...
….and what do I base my assertion on?
Riggleman (like Quade) is a dime-a-dozen manager type. He’s not gonna command respect from free agents/new players/current players the same way a Ryno would, or a Girardi would with a ring. Since he’s low-profile, he won’t get the same free pass/chance to lose a bit before turning things around that Ryno/Girardi both would have gotten from the fans and press. And once things start snowballing negative, he lacks the credentials/charisma/respect with the media/fans/team to turn it around.
Mark my words — we will never make or sniff the playoffs with Quade as manager. And we’ve alienated Ryne Sandberg in the process…..this has disaster written all over it.
Actually....
…I meant 104 years. 1908+104 = 2012, i.e. the end of Quade’s contract.
He’s not gonna command respect from free agents/new players/current players the same way a Ryno would, or a Girardi would with a ring.
On what basis do you make this statement?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
that doesn’t seem like too outlandish of a statement. Joe Girardi has the rings and Ryno is a bigger name.
---AC 00 00 00 - Believe
Girardi has one ring?
So did Lou. The Yankees had most of their talent in house prior to him taking over as manager. Girardi has nothing to do with free agents coming to New York.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
Correct.
And remember? When Dusty Baker came here, people said, “Oh, he’s a real player’s manager, free agents will want to play for him!”
How’d that work out?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
And the Cubs got plenty of FA's
to come to Chicago when Lou got here, how did that work out? I’m OK with rebuilding with Quade at the helm.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
It worked out really well.
If your name was Tom Goodwin.
"I'd rather hit home runs you don't have to run as hard." -- Dave Kingman
by BucknerKongCardenal on Oct 19, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
He has the respect of current players already
`He’s done a great job, and I hope he’s here longer than just this year and managing for us next year,‘’ said Dempster (15-11) after pitching seven impressive innings for the Cubs’ second straight win over San Diego, ``because he deserves it.’’
``Unbelievable,‘’ center fielder Marlon Byrd said of the job Quade has done. ``The record speaks for itself. The way we’re playing, the way we’re executing – just all around, the moves he’s making. He shows he has the qualifications and he can get a team to play for him.’’
Let's keep in mind w/ both Chat and juice....
That had Ryno been picked there would have been many people that would have had the same opinions about how dumb they were to go with Ryno. How he was only hired for the name etc………. How the Cubs were going to suck for 100 more years. Same w/ Joe. With either Ryno or Q picked it’ll be why didn’t they wait to find out about Joe.
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 19, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
How much
of a legend was Bobby Cox when he took over the Braves? Now look at him. One of the most respected managers in MLB history.
by SouthWabashSoul on Oct 19, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Seriously though?
He was pretty famous. He’d won the AL East with Toronto, and had just wrapped what everyone knew was 5 awesome years in the ATL front office.
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I wanted Ryno too....
but he wasn’t gonna make us any better. Our roster as a whole sucks. plain and simple.
by cubsluver22 on Oct 19, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, at least that open question is now resolved.
There’s still a good amount of work to do, so let’s not lose sight of the fact that this is not the end, it’s a beginning.
Well, that's one less event to predict in the 2010-2011 IT'S HAPPENING!!!?!!??!!! contest
Good thing I have plenty of other choices on the bench to sub in…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
When's that going live?
You did the last one during the playoffs, IIRC.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
It was during the World Series last year and will be again this year.
Although I hate to rely on anything that Bud does or says, the moratorium on any big announcements during the World Series seems to be the best time to let everyone see the events and make their picks. And it makes for any easy window – contest begins at last out of World Series and ends first pitch of 2011 MLB opener.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Color me unexcited...
It’s a money thing pure and simple. Why go out and give money to a Girardi or Sandberg, or Wedge for that matter when you know you’re team isn’t going to compete for the next couple of years why we wallow in terrible contracts and mediocrity? Hire a no-name on the cheap and wait till you can get a big name. Make it 113 years now. Thank God for the Blackhawks.
"Oh, I get a little tired now and then, but knowing my lifestyle, that's only natural."
-Harry Caray
by El Nipperoo 23 on Oct 19, 2010 11:29 AM CDT reply actions
Sandberg wouldn't have required more money.
And why does this set us back for 10 freaking years? Quade got a 2-year contract!
Because we haven't won a World Series since 1898
Duh
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Oct 19, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
agreed
actually, Sandberg might’ve been cheaper than Quade. Quade might’ve gotten some buzz for the last few positions open if Sandberg had been hired. Sandberg’s only real shot was here, outside of a miracle in Toronto, which doesn’t seem likely.
and I was wondering
how long it would take until Ricketts was called cheap…
by hansman1982 on Oct 19, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Quade's Hotties?
Please make this happen, bleacher people.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
im furious.
and its not that quade is a bad choice! he is, im sure, a fine manager over 162 games. this is not the point.
quades job is going to be on the hot seat from day one, and through no fault of his own. the reason is because his name is not ryne sandberg. is that fair? no. but its true, and if you dont think so youre naive. sandberg is going to be hired by another team, because he (in a different way but similarly to quade) has proven hes ready for the job. and instantly, quade’s cubs are going to be compared to sandbergs.
maybe thats not a bad thing. maybe quade will prove me wrong and outperform ryno. clearly hendry believes thats the case. but somebody tell me WHY he thinks this? on what did he base that decision?
personally, i dont believe it will happen, but will absolutely admit its a crapshoot right now on who will have a “better” managerial career.
and if so, jim, why make the hire that invites a PR nightmare?
Great moments...are born...from great opportunity.
And that's what you have here...tonight, boys.
That's what you've EARNED here, tonight.
except for one guy!
Great moments...are born...from great opportunity.
And that's what you have here...tonight, boys.
That's what you've EARNED here, tonight.
Even he would have been
For all the people lambasting it as the sentimental choice. And people being disappointed if he doesn’t live up to the hype.
well wouldnt you rather take that chance
a high reward chance, i might add, instead of pissing off fans? if your argument is “he might disappoint cubs fans”, im fairly certain that ones been done before. i dont think hendry made this decision to protect cubs fans feelings.
Great moments...are born...from great opportunity.
And that's what you have here...tonight, boys.
That's what you've EARNED here, tonight.
Every choice pisses off some fans
Both Ryne and Quade had supporters and detractors. Both would have been on the hot seat. The Cubs position is a hot seat NO MATTER WHO IT IS.
I would rather the Cubs hire the best candidate based on all the facts that they know. And not what will upset the most fans. I was happy with either option.
If the Cubs win games, they’ll draw a crowd. If they lose games, they won’t. NO MATTER WHO THE MANAGER IS.
by Arbusto on Oct 19, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
yup
one guy … Girardi probably would’ve gotten some breathing room. Anyone else … probably on the hot seat, and Sandberg probably would’ve ratcheted up the pressure on the org.
Girardi...
would still get spit roasted if he disappointed. He still has the stench of the Yankees, even if Cubs fans would be very, very hopeful with his hiring. Sandberg would be bulletproof from the beginning to the day he stepped down (rather than have the team fire him). I’ll go to my grave saying the manager doesn’t have that much impact on what happens on the field… unless he goes out of his way to. Sandberg would make a much bigger impact than Quade off the field. Girardi would be second, and would certainly get a much longer leash and make Cubs fans feel better about all the losing they’re about to do before they rid themselves of the albatrosses in their payroll (whispering and their front office).
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by jameslcrockett on Oct 19, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
heck
I don’t disagree with the argument hat Sandberg would make a bigger impact off the field than Quade. I just wouldn’t prioritize that as a top factor in making a managerial hire. It is a factor, but it wouldn’t be high up the list, for me that is.
Me either...
But in a case where you’re not going to get some super genius who can make chicken salad out of chicken droppings (I don’t think many of those exist), I’ll settle for a guy who will put a few more dimes in the coiffers and make the fans feel better about the team… as long as he’s not going to torpedo the team with stupid decisions like Dusty Baker, for example, does constantly… or harm up and coming players like Lou, honestly, did sometimes.
There is no reason to believe this won’t be a rough couple years for the Cubs until Soriano, Zambrano, and Ramirez come off the books… or the Ricketts open up the checkbook and whoever the GM is spends it wisely. Sandberg would have given the fans something while we sit through 85+ loss seasons and 5th place finishes. Quade doesn’t do that. He’s not a Cubs lifer. He’s not part of Cubs lore and he won’t survive losing or controversy. Hopefully, Sandberg or Girardi will still take the Cubs’ call when they need them in two years. I expect both of them will be gainfully employed as a major league manager by then… lesser men are.
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by jameslcrockett on Oct 19, 2010 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions
If Jim Hendry...
…is not the guy on the hot seat from here on out, there is something really wrong about this whole thing.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
If Quade fails while Sandberg succeeds in another org, Hendry's defenders will blame Crane Kenney for this.
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by D98 on Oct 19, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can hear it now...
….“Crane made him do it!”
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Though I wanted Sandberg
I really wanted both to be involved with the team. Both managers have spent ample time in the minors with our young talent. That being said they BOTH should know the players better then other managers would. And utilizing young talent while shedding overpriced contracts is the direction I feel the Cubs should go.
I just want to be on-record that I like this hire.
It was a sensible move. Let Quade manage a “young” squad in “rebuild” mode. Once he develops Castro, Colvin, et al, Sandberg can take over if he’s available.
Writing quality posts since 1931.
I don't mind the hire in a vacuum.
I think that burning bridges with Sandberg is just a terrible idea. I also think that this decision is largely the result of Hendry, once again, taking the “safe” option – the road more traveled.
MLBMilestone.com - following the numbers to Cooperstown
Well, between $80 bleacher tickets
and hiring a no-name manager over Sandberg the Cubs can go fuck themselves as far as I am concerned. I am feeling very, very bitter.
Profanity not appreciated.
Knock it off. You can be upset, but express yourself some other way.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Freakin' A
The piece of crap Cubs can go insert a foreign item into their own bunghole. How is that?
Come on...
They used the word “bunghole”, you cant really take them seriously.
by 10 14 23 26 on Oct 19, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
I am the great cornholio!
I need tee-pee for my bunghole!
Annos Catuli. Every Year.
by OldStyle_and_Ivy on Oct 19, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
oh noesss!
try this one:
Annos Catuli. Every Year.
by OldStyle_and_Ivy on Oct 19, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I come from Lake TITICACA!
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
He still has no TP for his bunghole.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
My favorite player of all time
was just kicked in the nuts by the organization that hasn’t managed to get to the World Series in the 40 years I have been alive. Yeah, I’m really pissed.
You're impossible.
I feel bad for Sandberg, too. But your comments are actually giving credence to the theories of Not Bruce about sentimentality-over-reason. You need to chill, dude.
by elgato on Oct 19, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
I'm sure it's a move the Cubs will come to regret
Letting a fan-favorite, HOF managerial candidate go never works out. I’m sure Boston and Baltimore fans are still kicking their organizations for letting those great managers Ted Williams and Frank Robinson go like that too.
by Wreckard on Oct 19, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
DIfferent people, different times, different situations.
Frank Robinson, in fact, managed for a very long time in the major leagues.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Of course, that may not have been much of a concern here anyway in retrospect
I’m not sure how many guys we’ll have next year with an .870 OPS.
by Wreckard on Oct 19, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Amen.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
However many we do have...I bet they all bat lower than 5th.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 19, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
The $80 bleachers are insane
but hiring a “no-name” manager should not be related unless you believe Sandberg should have been hired to draw fans. Per above I really liked them both and had no favorite, but I do appreciate that the Cubs are taking a bigger risk in terms of ticket sales by hiring the less “popular” guy.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 19, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
In the end...
… they’ll sell more tickets if they win, regardless of who the manager is.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Of course but they are taking a bigger risk
in not hiring the guy who would presumably sell more tickets if they are not winning or
at the start of the season. I am fine with this.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 19, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
True enough.
See? Jessica and I can agree on a ticket issue!
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
While we're ont he topic, I'm curious how you guys feel about featuring the platinum games affecting overall sales?
Just kidding. Please don’t listen to me.
We're actually in agreement on that, too.
I may make another post about the ticket thing later this week, after the Quade thing dies down.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
We have been emailing directly on this
and yes we do agree 100%. Al will post something in detail I guess and I am sure to follow up , but short version, it will be a bloodbath on ticket sales and I have to believe the pricing sysem was done by somebody using some kind of computer model that had no clue about reality.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 19, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
You losing your edge?
She’s throwing darts. You know it. I know it. We all know it.
Just win the next game...!
Managers don't sell tickets
It’s not like the dugout has a sunroof that you can watch the manager through. But, what if it did?
If people wanted to see Sandberg as manager, they would watch him on TV and see all the camera angles.
If the Cubs emphasize pitching and defense, winning and ticket sales will be a by-product.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 19, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I keep saying this
but outside of Q rating, can anyone even argue that Sandberg was a better candidate than Quade? Better candidates don’t always succeed … but wouldn’t you want to hire the better candidate?
Actually I believe Quade had the higher Q rating anyway
He was a Q.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 19, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
If you're bitter
I’d recommend a gin and tonic
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 19, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
You need to up that Prozac prescription stat
or you’re going to flat line soon.
Just win the next game...!
Voted Meh
I’m happy for Quade, even though I wanted Ryno to get the shot. This seems to leave plenty of room for Sandberg to manage in the future, and I would expect he gets a change to be on the MLB coaching staff this year. Maybe not, but even if he leaves the organization and manages elsewhere, I think he’ll get a shot to manage the Cubs eventually. Doesn’t have to be right now.
I’ve said before that I don’t think there is a ton a manager can do to help a team win (mostly the way he sets the lineup, pitching changes, pinch hitters, etc. and the always immeasurable leadership/clubhouse management aspect). I think a manager can do more to hurt a team than he can to positively help the team. That said, I think Quade is fully qualified, and am not really worried about him just being a lousy manager. He did well in his shot this season, and he did nothing to suggest he couldn’t be the permanent manager. I’m glad the Cubs rewarded his loyalty.
Ryno will get his shot folks, don’t worry.
I like Quade, and he deserves the job
but the downside of this decision is huge. If Sandberg goes somewhere else, and is successful a lot of cubs fans will never forgive Hendry and Ricketts for making this decision. I hope Sandberg sticks around, but I highly doubt it. On that note. Take us to the promise land Mr. Quade, and nobody will care what Sandberg does.
I'll give Sandberg...
…about a 1 in 5 chance he gets hired by anyone else this year.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I'd make it a little higher than that, but...
… his best bet might be to take a coaching slot under Quade.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
you dont think that would invite all kinds of problems?
…the first long losing streak and the calls for fire Quade and replace him with Ryno will be loud. (not justified, but we all know better than that)
That's possible, I guess.
Hopefully, it won’t happen.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I like Quade
but a good manager hires the best possible people, and if Ryno is determined to be that, then Quade needs to have a thick skin about it. Ricketts and Hendry don’t seem likely to bow down to fan pressure that easily.
As long as it isn’t that ridiculous bench coach idea, I think it’s a fine move to brign Sandberg aboard, considering he’s a good fundemtnals guy.
That would be...
…a huge mistake if the front office lets that happen.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
well
if Sandberg wants a coaching job anywhere, he’ll find one in all likelihood, cosnidering all the staff upheavals that will happen this offseason.
I doubt he leaves, though. He has a better shot at a MLB managerial job here because of the Cubs situation and his name recognition.
I suppose he could go back and manage at Iowa again.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
possible
but … he really wants a MLB managerial job and he has to know that he needs MLB experience. My hunch is that he won’t go back to the minors.
This is a good point.
I’m sure that Hendry and Ricketts believe that this is the safer decision – but the upshot of seeing Sandberg succeed elsewhere would be an armageddon-level backlash. A Bill Wirtz-level backlash.
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I'm cool the Quadsta, but poor poor Sandberg
Sandberg must be thinking “This is some baby back bull sh*t!!!!!!”
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
"My favorite food is Macaroni and Cheese, from the blue box." Geovany Soto
Yap.
Bench coach for Sandberg? some said earlier that could happen. I think it’s not out of the question but certainly a smack across the face, it’ll be interesting to see what he thinks and if he just goes to another team instead.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
has anyone asked Ryno
if this is a smack in the face or if he understands that before you get a MLB gig with the Cubs you need some experience. We dont know the details of all of the discussions he has had with Jimbo
Yes, and he's said that he's very disappointed in the decision.
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Just heard Matt Speegle on the Score say
that Barry Rozner said the Cubs were never interested in Ryne Sandberg for the job. I feel bad for Ryno. The poor guy goes down and does something absolutely unprecedented for a HOF player by wallowing around in the minor’s for 4 seasons. Told to “get some experience”, so he does, and when it comes to pay the piper, sorry Ryno…not interested.
Hope he goes somewhere else and becomes a great skipper. I hate Jim Hendry.
"Oh, I get a little tired now and then, but knowing my lifestyle, that's only natural."
-Harry Caray
by El Nipperoo 23 on Oct 19, 2010 11:35 AM CDT reply actions
He did get some experience
but he still has zero experience as a coach in a big league dugout.
---AC 00 00 00 - Believe
so therefore, no one ever gets their first job?
Great moments...are born...from great opportunity.
And that's what you have here...tonight, boys.
That's what you've EARNED here, tonight.
there are other spots in a dugout
pitching coach, hitting coach, first base coach, third base coach.
those are good places to start.
---AC 00 00 00 - Believe
arent you the same guy
that said that that would be a bad idea for sandberg to be on quade’s staff?
oh, and sandberg is a hall of fame baseball player. fairly certain he knows his way around a dugout, regardless of what his paid position was.
Great moments...are born...from great opportunity.
And that's what you have here...tonight, boys.
That's what you've EARNED here, tonight.
your right
I don’t think Sandberg should be on quade’s staff. I think it would a be a huge distraction if the team got off to a bad start or had a bad stretch.
Ultimately, I think Sandberg needs to go somewhere else to get experience as a bench coach. He could still be a Cubs coach at the big league level someday I just don’t think the timing was/is right.
---AC 00 00 00 - Believe
Ha.
I doubt Sandberg will be a pitching coach.
Awwwww poor Ryno :(
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
"My favorite food is Macaroni and Cheese, from the blue box." Geovany Soto
I'm actually not that surprised by this
I wouldn’t be surprised if there was some truth to Wedge’s comments.
Leave aside the name for a moment. I thought he was a decent candidate, but leave aside the ryno name. He’s been criticized by scouts for his managerial ability (winning manager of the year in PCL doesn’t mean that much). He’s an old-school guy with an ownership looking to modernize. He lacked big league experience. There were a lot more negatives to Ryno than Cubs fans wanted to acknowledge.
I want to see how this impacts Maddux as a special assistant as well
Hendry won this political battle but it also could be a set up with the 2 year contract.
thing is Ricketts could force Hendry to unload and then say but your W/L record is poor
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
He’s been criticized by scouts for his managerial ability (winning manager of the year in PCL doesn’t mean that much).
You keep saying this time and time again with not even a sniff of backing it up. Provide me a link to a scout criticizing Ryno’s in-game managing ability.
The only public source
that I can post was on Bruce Miles blog. I’ll see if I can dig it up. It’s something a lot of people have discussed/acknowledged, though.
I believe I saw another comment once that was a bit more pointed, but I really don’t have the time to dig through. I didn’t realize the issues until Bruce made this comment and then I went digging.
http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/4678
What I’ve been saying
What I’ve been cautioning people against is jumping to the conclusion that Sandberg has the job. He does not. There has been a lot of back and forth talk within the organization over Sandberg’s readiness and how he manages games. A couple of us speculated a month or so ago that the Cubs might have felt Sandberg out about accepting a coaching job on the big-league staff if he didn’t get the managerial gig. You hear varying things from scouts.
Right now, I’d rate his chances as no better than anybody else’s. It just may be that Quade does well enough to keep it. The players are responding; he has well-thought-out answers to questions; and although he claims not to be a sabermetrician, he knows what numbers to look at.
But I do love Olbermann’s “Worst Person in the World” segment.
"back and forth talk within the organization"
That doesn’t sound like a “scout” to me, that sounds like Hendry and Bush. The only place the word scout is mentioned is “you here varying things from scouts”
I take the word “vary” to mean that some scouts think highly of him and others don’t (i.e., a variety of opinions), yet you are suggesting that it is some universal opinion shared by many scouts and outside observers, which is clearly not the case.
The support for your “He’s been criticized by scouts for his managerial ability” is pretty iffy as well. I respect Bruce Miles, but he isn’t exactly putting forth a lot of information and it sounds like your reading a lot more into it than I am. I’m not seeing anything in what Miles wrote to suggest that the consensus opinion of Sanberg is that he’s not a good “in-game” manager. If anything, I read Miles as suggesting that the Cubs are not sure about Sanberg’s readiness, some scouts think he’s ready and others do not.
The only true information about Sanberg’s “in-game” managerial ability is tied into the win-loss record, which has been pretty good. Quade was in part hired because of his two-month success this fall when the season was long over. Above you suggested that “Quade is known as a better in game tactician than Sanberg” Who said that? Is that another extrapolation from this Bruce Miles post as well?
These types of statements would be meaningful and important to Ryno supporters if there was some credible evidence to support your claims, but there isn’t and it comes across as speculation (based on a rather vague Miles statement with little mention of ANY substantive negative criticism of Sanberg’s managerial ability).
fair enough
I will just say that it definitely wasn’t the Miles thing that led me to make my comments. It wasn’t anything online (such as a forum, message board and so forth). That’s the only public thing I can think of at the moment. There’s certain things I can’t post because it’s private emails. I don’t ask you to believe anything I post, so it’s more than fair for you to critique me and I’d say it’s perfectly valid, but I don’t break confidences, and I think I have a fairly good history of not posting anything without specific thought about my wording and my statement and what effect that might have (witness my back and forth with Al last week because I thought he was misrepresenting/misreading what I posted).
I do understand your perspective.
btw
I would also acknowledge, in the interest of fairness since I only made it out to Des Moines a dozen or so times this year, maybe the people I talked to are wrong. As I said in other places this year, my ability to travel and attend a lot of minor league games was significantly curtailed this year, so I had to count on 2nd-hand reports a lot of the times.
What you've said about Ryno
is about the worst thing you can say about a manager, do you even realize this?
Unless you have credible evidence (not 2nd hand reports), I don’t believe its appropriate to make these types of statements. I’m not saying you should reveal your sources, but isn’t that just sooooooooo convenient for you?
I went to Des Moines several times last year as well, I also saw Ryno manage many, many times at Peoria, I didn’t notice anything terrible about his “in-game” managing skills. Sure he made some moves that I wouldn’t have made, but so has Quade.
From my side of the aisle, this reeks of your opinion and you’re putting it out there on BCB making it sound like a fact, which is wrong on a lot of levels.
Also
How bad can Ryno’s in-game managing be, he sure did win a lot of games these last 2 seasons, at the end of the day, that’s the only stat that counts……
I'd be inclined to believe your opinions
if somebody like Keith Law or Jim Callis or any other mainstream baseball scouts mentioned something, but I searched google and couldn’t find a single thing to support your view point.
Could you maybe sanitize the emails to the point where the source is truly obscured?
Just some extra perspective is helpful, even if it’s second-hand words from an “inside source”.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I concur, telling us what the criticisms of Sanberg were wouldn't force toonsterwu to reveal his sources
So what were the critiques about Sanberg’s managerial ability? Was he guilty of letting his starters pitch to long? Was he not being aggressive enough on the basepaths? Did he misplay the picher/hitter matchups late in the game?
These types of questions can be answered without revealing sources.
pete's sake
Unprecedented? Are you kidding? He’s got FOUR WHOLE SEASONS as a minor league manager. This isn’t an insult. It’s the right decision to make. Put him on the coaching staff for Quade, and in three years, you give him the job when he has more experience as a big-league coach.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Oct 19, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Leaking "we were never truly interested in him" after interviewing him is a MASSIVE insult.
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I don't agree...
I think it saves face for both Sandberg, Quade and the organization. At least now, they can claim it wasn’t his time to be a major league manager and he wasn’t a candidate for the job, rather than saying they chose someone that was better than him, or that he had a bad interview, etc. Just because fans and media thought it was possible, doesn’t mean that was really the case. The Cubs actually look better in this because then he just got an interview to give him experience with the process.
Good for the Cubs. Good for Sandberg. Reinforces that Quade was the superior in-house candidate.
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by jameslcrockett on Oct 19, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
It certainly doesn't save face for Sandberg. That is absurd.
It’s the equivalent of asking the ugly girl to the prom while your friends stand behind you, chuckling, and then when she accepts, saying *"PSYCH! Like I’d ever ask YOU!!"
Absolutely horrible.
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If that is actually the case, someone should be fired.
To tell a guy he’d be considered, send him to 4 years of minor league management, INTERVIEW HIM, and then let it be known that you were just screwing with him the entire time and you would rather have had Eric Wedge or Mike Quade…. well…. that’s terrible in the abstract. When it’s a HOF player from your own organization, it’s unforgiveable.
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Maybe leaking the info is bad
But did you ever stop to think that the reason they aren’t interested in him NOW is because he does not follow the Rickets new vision and/or they think he needs more seasoning.
I hate that folks think that 4 years in the minor and doing what your boss tells you to do automatically means you get the promotion. The real world does not work this way and for one I am glad that the Cubs appear to not be operating in Fantasy Land world anymore.
"All I want is food and creative love" - Rusted Root
by TheRiot Police on Oct 19, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
If you are feigning interest, it is cruel - and horrible business practice - to go through the interview charade
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How do you
know they feigned interest. It is possible that during the interview process they learned some things about Sandberg that scored him lower than Quade. Somebody had to lose….just because he is a HOF player does not mean he is not immune to failure.
There are times when I thought I deserved a promotion but as time passed and I reflected on the position, I realized I was not ready and it would have been an epic fail to my career arc if I got it.
"All I want is food and creative love" - Rusted Root
by TheRiot Police on Oct 19, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Double Negative Alert
not Immune
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by TheRiot Police on Oct 19, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't understand how you aren't following this.
The premise of my post is obviously based on the condition that “if the Cubs were never seriously considering Sandberg”, as reported today.
If they made him do all this stuff while secretly having written him off, it’s no better than those horrible NFL teams that keep bringing African-American head coaching candidates in solely for show, and then immediately hire the guy they intended to all along.
If Hendry told Ryno back in 2006 that he’d be a serious candidate if he did X, Y, and Z, while knowing full well that Sandberg would NOT be a serious candidate, even if he did those things, and then put Sandberg through a charade interview process, then he’s an asshole.
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Maybe he never told
he would be a serious candidate.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
*told him*
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
The owner of the team interviewed him.
If they had no intention of considering him, that’s a horrible way to act.
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To riff on (what I think) sue is thinking
It may be that back in 2006, Ryno was told unequivocally that there was no way he’d be considered for the Cubs’ manager position with no managerial experience. He was then offered a crap deal – manage at the lowest level to start. He took it, and found out he didn’t mind it. Kind of enjoyed it, in fact. It kept him in baseball and with the organization that he’d been with for decades. Kinda cool, right? So he worked his way up with some of the kids, and kept advancing, thinking, “All right – next step in the ladder”, just like when he was working his way up through the minors as a player.
So when the next rung, which in his mind was big club manager, became available, he applied for it, assuming that things would be as smooth as they had been. He was passed over. He’s thinking, “This isn’t how things work – I did everything right at a lower level! I should move up!” But the fact is that MLB manager positions are rare and they are coveted because of that.
Ricketts, Hendry, and Co. made a hard business decision, but they gave the job to a guy who’s been coaching in the system longer and has a longer coaching resume. It’s a bummer, sure, but the business reasons behind it are sound. If he can’t see that his “bare minimum” experience is trumped in this case, well, that’s really his problem. Yes, he did extraordinary things, but in the harsh light of day, just to be given a more serious shot at the gig than he got in 2006 (not to mention seriously good pub from the organization) is the payoff, not the gig itself.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Oct 19, 2010 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Well said Clutch.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
I don't think...
…the Cubs “made him do all the stuff” as you say, it was Sandbergs choice.
I’m no Hendry fan, but I’m sure they simply told him he would be a better candidate if he got some experience, not that he would be guaranteed to be the top candidate or get the job.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Oct 20, 2010 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Still somewhat curious as to why the Cubs didn't want to even talk to Girardi.
Counting the days until 4/1/11...
Because the Cubs are run
by the worst general manager in the major leagues.
aw, rats, he probably can
but look out for my mom
by mainehawksfan on Oct 19, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
my grandma keeps her spit cup on the ironing board.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
My cat eats puff cakes for lunch.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
No, I did not.
Keep it up and you’ll find yourself asked to take a timeout.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
buh-bye now.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Oct 19, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
These are the times I know I don't ever want to be a mod.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
It's the hair, isn't it?
Look into my eyes!
by katie casey on Oct 19, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
LOL
Nope the fros were kewl dudette.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Not vouching for paulucia, but you can be a Cubs fan and hate the job Hendry has done
I’m there, and hoping the Ricketts family awakes from their slumber.
Because he is not available
and will not be available.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
I tend to think...
…it was more a timing issue and Ricketts knew it wasn’t the right time to go after a big name with some questions lingering within the baseball organization – specifically who will be GM a year or so from now.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I see what your saying, but I disagree.
I think that the new Steinbrenner, unlike his father (at least prior to Torre), wants continuity. He’s got the talent and he’s got a young manager and former Yankee, who has done nothing but win ballgames, and is a well respected manager around the league. I don’t see how the Yankees could allow Girardi to walk away. Unless Ricketts swooped in and offered Girardi an other-worldly contract, which I doubt he’d do considering he wants to shed payroll, the Cubs never really had a shot at Girardi this time around. They had their chance in 2007 and didn’t take it. That, more than not hiring Sandberg now, could end up being the managerial decision that dooms the Cubs organization.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
That's fine...
…but as powerful as the steinbrenners are, if Girardi’s contract is up, the dude can do whatever he wants.
This whole issue of whether he would have interest is something that only Girardi knows.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Because managers always go ...
to fifth-place teams over WS champs with $200 million payrolls.
Yes it is worth it because they can root for their old college football team
and this easily trumps winning, payroll, salary etc.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 19, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Well you have a choice as to what team you root for...
…so why are you cheering for a fifth place team instead of the WS champs? ;-)
Obviously there’s a huge difference between being a fan and being a manager, but the underlying emotion could very well be the same. And just as obvious, if Girardi is happy with his situation in NY, there’d be no reason for him to leave.
But if deep down, Girardi is a Cubs fan, why wouldn’t he be interested in doing the same job for the team he loves? Yeah, the payroll is lower, the current talent level is not comparable, and the chances for winning are obviously not as good. But why must the tangible always outweigh the abstract? Can you not even acknowledge that emotion could be a factor?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
All the things you cite are correct
however I’m fairly sure Hendry never wanted/wants Girardi.
Just win the next game...!
Girardi...
…would be more demanding of how the front office puts the roster together (same as any other established manager), and Hendry wants no part of that right now.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
in all likelihood
they probably did some back channel gathering and found out what I and a lot of other folks have said for awhile – all the indications were that, at best, Girardi would’ve used the Cubs to leverage for a better contract from the Yankees. Girardi was always likely to stay there. He’s indicated that he would prefer not to move his family again, and his family is in the NY area now. It’s a better job, a better situation. Childhood dreams are nice … and sometimes they come true, but as we get older, we sometimes leave our dreams aside for … well, life, and the Yankees job, much as I love the Cubs, is a better job.
by toonsterwu on Oct 19, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
100% correct.
Now, we can go back to rooting for the Yankees to lose.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
unfortunately
I don’t root against NY teams anymore. Don’t love them, but spent too much time in the state to hold angst against them, considering in this case, my team is in the other league (between the two, I think I dislike the Mets more … ).
Yankees in of themselves are OK (except ARod, who's a punk ass)
It’s the Jon Sterlings of the world that make me want them to lose.
I have lived here 20 years
and I hate New York teams more than I did before I lived here.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 19, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't root for any team to lose...
unless they employ Milton Bradley. Oh, wait…
That’s serious, by the way. I want my teams to win. What happens to other teams doesn’t matter all that much. If they don’t deserve it through their actions or character, then I’m ok with them losing. But expending energy wishing for someone to fail doesn’t have very much value.
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by jameslcrockett on Oct 19, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
This is wild.
I’m glad mgmt went with whom they thought best but a tough deal for Sandberg who did everything they asked him to do.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 11:39 AM CDT reply actions
I do feel badly for Sandberg for that reason.
Clearly, the Cubs didn’t feel that was enough.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Yes. and I do see that with Hendry still in place the whole decision was tough.
I won’t go into that decision other than I hope they get it ironed out with a good result in the next few years.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Just because you're told to get more experience
Doesn’t mean that if you get said experience, the job will be yours. The real world thankfully does not work that way. As a business, you have to be free to pursue who should be the best person for the job. Quade walked into the job after Piniella’s retirement and few of us thought anything about it. Quade took the job and ran with it. The front office saw this and made the correct business decision on how to make the team better. I was a Sandberg supporter all the way until I saw how this team performed under Quade. It was like night and day compared to the Cubs under Piniella’s tenure.
If Sandberg wants to manage, he’ll get the chance. He just won’t get it with the Cubs any time soon. I may eat those words and the front office might regret the decision just as they obviously do by hiring Piniella instead of Girardi, but you can’t operate a business on hindsight. You can only work with what information you have available to you in the present.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
Free BLou
by Ace Venom on Oct 19, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
BUT BASEBALL ISNT THE REAL WORLD
im looking at a blackhawks-hull, mikita, and tony o situation going on here. what incentive does sandberg have to stay in our organization? why would he? he just rode the busses for four years because he was asked to in return for this job. and he did it no complaints, and he did it well. hes a HOFer he didnt have to! and he did. and then they said no. id have such a vengeance right now if i were him
Great moments...are born...from great opportunity.
And that's what you have here...tonight, boys.
That's what you've EARNED here, tonight.
The organization...
…has the obligation to hire the best available candidate regardless of sentiment.
In this case, if it was between Sandberg and Quade, I think they made the right choice. Also, if you don’t look at their names and you put their experience side by side, Quade is the better candidate.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
sandberg is in the hall of fame, no?
Great moments...are born...from great opportunity.
And that's what you have here...tonight, boys.
That's what you've EARNED here, tonight.
If we have learned from history...
…we know being a HOF player, has little if anything to do with managerial success. In fact, it is quite the opposite.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
that may be
but dont play the no experience card.
oh, and sandberg managed pretty well in the minors, where he was still considered a hof player
Great moments...are born...from great opportunity.
And that's what you have here...tonight, boys.
That's what you've EARNED here, tonight.
I don't buy that in this case
Had Sandberg been handed the position 4 years ago, or some time earlier, I would agree. However, he didn’t. Good players who have a displayed a passion for coaching/managing and have committed themselves to moving up the ladder have done pretty well.
Lou, Torre, Dusty, Don Baylor etc. all fall into that camp. Obviously three of those guys aren’t exactly lauded in this town, their successes as managers is real.
The HOF thing is irrelevant especially when comparisons to the Ted Williams-type managers are brought up.
Eamus Ursuli!
I think everyone is quite aware the job isn't handed to you.
But it’s still a slap in the face after what he was told. As I said, I’m glad they went with the person they thought was best for the job, but it’s a tough thing for Sandberg.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
If Sandberg really wants to manage
He can go elsewhere. I honestly don’t remember the Cubs ever winning a World Series when he played here anyway.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
Free BLou
Question:
If they hired Sandberg…would you have thought that mgmt didn’t go for who they thought was best?
Look into my eyes!
by katie casey on Oct 19, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Whatever, the Cubs
just saved me a bunch of money that’s for sure. No MLB.tv or trips to Chicago for me next year. I was actually dumb enough to plan to go to my first ever opening day because Ryno would be managing the Cubs. LOL
Seriously?
You were going to come see Opening Day just because of the manager?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
No, I don't.
I don’t see why you’d come all the way here just to see a guy sit in the dugout.
Look, I loved Ryne Sandberg the player, too. But my preference for him was because of what he had done in the organization.
That said, I’m OK with the Quade hire, to the point that I won’t post profane comments here. You need to step away from the keyboard for a while and calm down.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I went to more Iowa Cubs games this year...
…Because Sandberg was the manager. I imagine from a marketing perspective, it would be a pretty big deal.
Proud recipient of a hot dog shot from the Iowa Cubs hot dog gun.
so you spent an extra
$20 bucks a few times a year…lets say and extra $100…big difference over making a special trip to Chicago to see Ryno and spend an extra $500 for a one time trip
You think...
people wouldn’t have done this, including buying more jerseys, shirts etc., and making more trips to Arizona?
More importantly… fans would have thought twice about booing when Sandberg walks out to the mound. Some still would, but I’m betting more than a few wouldn’t. Quade won’t have that impact unless he wins… and that’s highly unlikely in the next few years, and he doesn’t have much of an influence on that anyways.
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by jameslcrockett on Oct 19, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions
you said you have been
a fan for 40 years, so you must be older that 39. My question is why are you acting like a child?
I said, knock off the language.
So now, you’ve added namecalling to the profanity. You’re piling up bad-behavior points pretty quick.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I said "namecalling".
You’re having a lot of trouble here today. Again, I suggest stepping away from the keyboard and calming down. You cannot call other people names here. Period.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Like I said.
Just step away. Stop now. Enough.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
No, that's reserved for Zambrano.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 19, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe he's enjoying the attention
Throw a fit and see if he can get away with it. Toddlers often enjoy doing that :)
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 19, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
And being a fan for 40+ years
you throw it away becuase Mike Quade has been named manager. In the last 40 years there were worse things that have happened
I am throwing it away
because of what they did to Sandberg. I have nothing against Quade, he may make a good manager, but they should not have sent Ryno to the minors for four years if he was never a legit candidate.
Then again, it is very Cub-like.
So you have information that says Sandberg wasn't a legit candidate?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 19, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
OK, fair enough.
That’s your personal choice. If only you could have expressed it without the profanity and namecalling.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Oh good lord I dropped
an F-bomb because I was upset. Some SB sites allow that, I forgot you are one of the sensitive ones. Relax, nobody died.
Right, some SB sites allow that.
Not this one.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
The problem is after being told you think its charming somehow.
Just knock it off and there won’t be anything to worry about.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Where exactly
have I used the F-bomb since I learned that Al is sensitive to it?
I'm saying you keep whining about this forever.
Just let it go, you aren’t a martyr.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
You keep using the d word to insult people.
its stuff like that that is continuing it with your whining. Play by the site rules and you won’t have anything to drop.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
you realize
it’s not like being sent down, right?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Oct 19, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Sandberg the bench coach?
Any word on that?
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Sinatro is available.
He’s currently working as Lou’s caddie in Tampa.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
Not yet.
Maybe we’ll find out at the news conference.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I really don't see why this isn't an option.
It makes too much sense to not work. Sandberg gets MLB-level experience (not just minor league), probably coaches a few games when Quade gets thrown out or whatnot, and is the perfect segue from his own minor league players to Friendly Confines. And it keeps the Cubs faithful happy by keeping their Christ figure in-house.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
bench coach is unfair to Quade, IMO
Bench coach is generally considered “next-in-line”.
Add in that Ryno has no experience in the bigs, and that’s a bit unfair to Quade. I would like Ryno on the staff, but I’d like an experienced MLB guy in the bench coach role. Macha has been spec’d upon, but heck, I’d be fine with say, Willie Randolph or someone else.
That's a good point.
Almost like a “looming-over-my-shoulder” kinda deal.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Bruce Miles
had a good post somewhere on his blog about coaches, btw, guys that are considered org guys who might get a shot. Bleh, I can’t type anymore. If I find the post again, I’ll link it.
Hendry had to pick his boy Quede. He needed someone cheap and safe
I still like to think that Ricketts are getting the financial house in order after the mess they were left with. It’ll be a couple more years for some of these contracts to come off the books and Hendry/Quade will take the fallout from it in the interim. Then they can start rebuilding the organization, including the front office.
As long as Ca$hner starts this is fine with me
if not the century long partial birth abortion will continue
It's wrong and sick...
There maybe some people here who may not like that very much
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
"My favorite food is Macaroni and Cheese, from the blue box." Geovany Soto
sorry
but serioulsy… cashner has to start or this is the dumbest organization in sports
by pnprapunzel on Oct 19, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
OK, here's something we can discuss rationally, if you're willing to.
WHY do you think Cashner should start? Personally, I don’t think he has enough of a pitch selection to do so, and with his velocity he could be a real good setup man sharing duties with Marshall.
Now, if you can do it without profanity or references to abortion, let’s hear why you think Cashner should start.
I’ll wait.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
how about his domination of ther minors??
He was arguably one of the better starting prospects in the minors before we gave him the bullpen test. He was stretched out going deep in games in two solid offensive leagues with a plus plus FB and a plus slider with a workable change. WhT happens when he goes to relief he throws nothing but Fastballs shocker..
it is dumb to take such an asset who cna pitch 7 good innings and make him pitch one inning.
by pnprapunzel on Oct 19, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Dominating the minors doesn't necessarily translate to dominance in the major leagues.
There are plenty of dominant minor league starters who get converted to the bullpen in the major leagues. Major league hitters are much better than minor league hitters.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
so.... should castro be a bench player?
by pnprapunzel on Oct 19, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
no its not
we would be taking him and putting him on bench for late inning purposes instead of where we could maximize his value
by pnprapunzel on Oct 19, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't be ridiculous.
Position players aren’t groomed that way. Pitchers can be used in two different roles, both useful. A bench player isn’t remotely comparable to a setup man.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Not ridiculous
it is ridiculous to waste a tremendfous asset to a small playing sample unless you know he cnat start
by pnprapunzel on Oct 19, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
until he is given the option to prve he cant
and his track record indicates i am a lot more so than you then he should start
by pnprapunzel on Oct 19, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes it does
CASHNERS track record says he can be a supremely effective starter..
Your silly argument that since he did it in the minors doesnt matter is the type of stupid argument that has led to the cubs taking one of their best assets and devaluing it…
Until he proves he cant start here he should not be in the bullpen… He has a much higher ceiling than coleman or some of the other clowns we trotted out there
by pnprapunzel on Oct 19, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Not until...
…he gets better command of his breaking ball.
He will get shelled the 2nd time around the order if he doesn’t.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Cashner also has a track record of being an effective closer.
He has one pitch, a very good fastball, and after that middling to poor pitches. Until he develops those secondary pitches, he can’t start in the majors. If you want him to start, let him do it in the minors on a pitch count and inning count, especially since this past season in the pen set him back on innings.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
What does this mean
about the one pitch i am confused
by pnprapunzel on Oct 19, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
He has a plus fastball.
Other than that, he doesn’t have anything I would call a consistently effective pitch.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
Agree...
…and as we used to say; the faster it comes in, the faster it goes out – see Kyle Farnsworth.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Same with Samardzija.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
There goes $10 mil!!!
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
He only has one effective pitch
And having only one effective pitch will not work as a starter in the majors.
what are yall on twitter so i can follow yall
no need for baseball america and scouts anymore… I am dead serious
by pnprapunzel on Oct 19, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I have a serious question, too.
How old are you? Maybe you need to do a little more research about these kinds of things before you say things about a player that aren’t necessarily true.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
do i need to pull up the baseball america scouting reports
how old are you?
by pnprapunzel on Oct 19, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Please.
Scouting reports? How about actual performance?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Or actual scouting reports from games.
Not some BA writer speculating on the future performance of a minor league pitcher before a season.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
yea they all said that he was damn good
and one of the best starters in the minors… but he sucks…
by pnprapunzel on Oct 19, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
No one is saying Cashner "sucks".
Only that he’s not ready to be a major league starting pitcher.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
i was hoping you would say this
and you fell for the trap like a good little lemming
Club (League) Class W L ERA G GS CG SV IP H R ER HR BB SO BB/9 SO/9 WHIP STK% G/F
Tennessee (SL) AA 3 1 2.75 6 6 1 0 36.0 22 12 11 1 13 42 3.25 10.50 0.97 62% 1.65
Iowa (PCL) AAA 3 0 0.86 5 3 0 0 21.0 17 3 2 0 2 17 0.86 7.29 0.90 67% 1.80
by pnprapunzel on Oct 19, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow, you can almost read that.
So what? He put up dominant numbers in Double-A and Triple-A. IT DOES NOT NECESSARILY TRANSLATE TO GETTING MAJOR LEAGUE HITTERS OUT!
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
so what would translate then
ol prince of cubs nation? you got a better idea then throwing 150 million at cliff lee
by pnprapunzel on Oct 19, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Watch the namecalling, again.
No, the Cubs shouldn’t throw money they don’t have at Cliff Lee.
I’m not saying I have the answer to getting another starter. I do know the answer, at least right at this moment, is not “Andrew Cashner”.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
why?
Name 5 better options then him on the club now… GO
by pnprapunzel on Oct 19, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Look.
Maybe the Cubs need to find another starting pitcher this offseason. Andrew Cashner is not ready to be a major league starting pitcher. As noted by several other posters here, he doesn’t have a good enough pitch selection, and hitters can sit on his fastball.
For an inning at a time, he can usually get away with it. He doesn’t have enough for 6-7 innings every five days.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
You realize this point your making only shows what a complete waste of time talking about the newest manager is?
This team is flawed in many areas.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 19, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
its similar to Sean Marshall
he did ok as a starter, because he was good the first time through the rotation, the 2nd time, not so much and even worse the third time through and now we have a guy who can put up 60-80 innings a year in a critical role – maybe Cashner can do the same thing and eventually take over for Marmol
...
you realize success against AA and AAA batters is not the same thing as success against MLB hitters, right?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 19, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
of course but when you have limited funds
you need a young cheap talented starter
news flash it isnt casey coleman
by pnprapunzel on Oct 19, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
And yet, Coleman did well vs. major league hitters.
Cashner had his problems, even as a relief pitcher.
If you can’t explain that, perhaps you should drop this issue.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
casey coleman did well?
i feel like i am in bizarro world
by pnprapunzel on Oct 19, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, he did well.
Go look at his numbers as a starting pitcher. Quite good, in fact.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
We have:
Dempster, Zambrano, Wells, Gorz, and some combo of Silva/Samardzija/Coleman. And for what its worth, I’d keep Cashner in the pen.
Carlos Marmol had a good fastball and was a starter too, too bad the Cubs didn’t keep him in the rotation.
The Cubs have Chris Archer on the way up too, and may not need Cashner to be a starter.
Right now, the team needs bullpen help more than starting pitching. I’d rather groom Cashner into our future closer in preparation for when Marmol leaves as a free agent in a few years.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
Marmol...
…would be at 100 pitches by the 4th inning most games.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I wasn't being serious. But yes,
I would say that’s a fair prediction.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
Better options
include Zambrano Dempster and Gorz then anything after that is a tossup…
Wells was inconsistent and a drunk
Silva was solid but injured
Shark is more inconsitent than Cashner
Coleman has no upside and is not good (i.e. a pen arm)
Archer is awesome
by pnprapunzel on Oct 19, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Coleman has no upside and is not good (i.e. a pen arm)
Wrong.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
What is his upside compared to Cashners
GO i am waiting
by pnprapunzel on Oct 19, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
You mean apart from..
… actually having major league success as a starting pitcher?
Well, I guess none aside from that, then.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
You mean apart from..
… actually having major league success as a starting pitcher?
Well, I guess none aside from that, then.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
nevermind saw 4 wins
against two losses got it!
by pnprapunzel on Oct 19, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
This confirms what I've suspected about you.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 19, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
This confirms what I've suspected about you.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 19, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Also, your accusation about Randy Wells...
… is not appreciated and not true.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
my cousin got drunk with him during the cup before the sox and the cards games
and has the pics time stamped
by pnprapunzel on Oct 19, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't care.
So he got drunk twice. I’m guessing that’s something most professional athletes have done. Doesn’t make him “a drunk”.
You’re real close to being banned.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
before they pitch @ 1:20?
If that was Milton Bradley, Zambrano, A ram or Kyle Farnsworth, you would have called them “evil, a kid, a lazy latin who is disrupting the clubhouse, or a redneck”
by pnprapunzel on Oct 19, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, bye.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I find this pretty hard to believe
He reports the park at I believe 10.30 so you are saying he and your cousin were gettting drunk at say 8AM and no one on the Cubs noticed or cared? I imagine a bunch of players get drunk after a game but if guy was drinking at 8AM and showing up plastered I have a feeling it would not be a secret.
You will excuse me if I don’t believe your cousin.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 19, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Its true
I remember some guy called the Mully and Hanley show right after Wells gave up 5 runs in the 1st inning and said he did shots with Wells at a bar at 1AM before his start at 1:20PM the next day. Its all hearsay, but usually where there’s smoke, there’s fire.
There’s actually been a lot of rumors about Wells going out when he shouldn’t be. Very Farnsworthesque
Well if a guy called
into a radio talk show and said this then it must be true. Give me a break.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
wow.
don’t let the door, etc.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Oct 19, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Grown men get drunk?
GASP!!!!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 19, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I frequently get drunk
and then I drive, it helps me be a better drunk driver.
www.facebook.com/craighudak
by Craig in South Bend on Oct 19, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Having my 5 month old daughter in the car
helps my concentration.
www.facebook.com/craighudak
by Craig in South Bend on Oct 19, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I prefer to set
the kids on the roof of the car - takes the cops attention away from you as you run into the bushes
Didn't hold back...
…Randy Wells now did it?
I played some of my best games after being overserved the night before.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
David Wells
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Well looking at Samardzija's AAA numbers
from this season, which is what you use to gauge major league success, he’ll do just fine, if not better than Cashner.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
Good luck...
…with that one.
I predict Spellcheck will get one last gasp for breath next year, and then that expensive experiment will be over with.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Just to clarify this statement,
I was using rapunzel’s argument of predicting major league success of Casher on AAA numbers, to show how faulty that can be when looking at another pitcher’s AAA numbers (Samardzija).
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
If any scout is claiming that
Cashner is ready to start at the Major League level right now, then he should be fired.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
In...
Pittsburgh? Perhaps. Philadelphia? NFW !!!
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Oct 19, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
once again the cubs screwing up an asset..
he was starting just fine in minors they panicked brought him up and he didnt get enough innings
by pnprapunzel on Oct 19, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
As has been said several times here...
… pitching in the minors and majors are two very different things.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
East and west are deifferent directions
but they are both directions
by pnprapunzel on Oct 19, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
You and I both have SBN accounts...
but I’m still dumber than you.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 19, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
actually
his fastball was what he struggled with in the bigs, according to fangraphs. his slider and change both showed well.
cmmmon
these clowns dont know what that is… they go by what they are told by carrie and sullivan
by pnprapunzel on Oct 19, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Watch the namecalling.
And do some actual research and study before you post. You’re not making any friends here.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Have long have you been around here chief? You have no idea what your talking about?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 19, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
You joined this blog on October 9, 2010.
SWL has been here for several years.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
why that is making an assumption dont you think
by pnprapunzel on Oct 19, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Not at all.
And if you don’t knock it off, you’ll be asked to leave.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
That sounds like a Craigslist proposition if I've ever heard one.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Better ask for pics first
www.facebook.com/craighudak
by Craig in South Bend on Oct 19, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Dan, I forgot to tell you that your mom is not allowed to do her laundry over at my place anymore.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 19, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Quade's first order of business:
Resign Milton Bradley to play disabled list.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Coming from a guy quoting Baseball America.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
That's because...
…his secondary pitches weren’t keeping the hitters honest, and they could sit on his fastball.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Looks like about 99% of them are trolling to me.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Lots of that going on today.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
crawling out of the woodwork it seems.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Sheesh no kidding.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
hmm a voice of reason emerges.
Heya Sue.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey set
interesting reading today for sure.;-)
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
that'd be a fair enough argument
and without going through each pitch (which I’m not going to do), I’d question that by arguing that Cashner only threw his fastball 68.7% of the time.
By no means am I saying that Cashner’s got a great changeup, or that he’d be consistent with his stuff as a starter in the bigs. But the argument that he only has one pitch belies a level of effectiveness in the majors with it (irrespective of anything, there was a level f effectiveness) and it belies the fact that the reports, and from what I saw, from the minors
that could also be due
to the fact that he relied heavily on his fb – at least from my non-ba/fangraphs/scout reading self
Cashner
should, though, get a chance to prove failure as a starter first, IMO. On paper, he has all the tools to be a TOR starter. He addressed them this year as a starter in the minors – durability, the return of a consistent plus slider, a solid change, to go with his fastball.
He has all the tools to be a great late inning arm as well, but the Cubs should let him fail as a starter before doing that. Keep in mind that he was a starter in college before his junior year, and the cubs invested a lot in developing him that way.
Granted, you know my position on this, and if the Cubs don’t add a late inning righty, I imagine Cashner will be, unfortuantely, in the pen.
by toonsterwu on Oct 19, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
This.
The bizarre pig-piling going on above really ignores the fact that in terms of talent, Cashner almost certainly has starter-quality stuff. Moving him to the pen was a panic move, one which now ensures that if Cashner does compete for and win the 5th starter role this spring, he won’t be able to be used in that role all season.
There seems to be a contingency saying that minor league numbers can’t be used to predict major league performance which is provably false.
No one's saying they can't
Nevertheless, it is true that some pitchers who dominate in the minor leagues can’t make it as major league starters.
I still think Cashner is better suited to relief.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
So wait... are you saying he's major league ready or not?
And if he’s effective enough to be major league ready, why not as a starter?
if the cubs
can effectively find a solution to a 8th inning setup guy, I would love to see Cashner sent to AAA to work on starting
That said, I think Cashner can become a very good RH complement to Marshall.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Joan Holloway kept the baby, thankyouverymuch.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
It gave me a grin
But I’m like that…
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Good Choice
You want to talk about someone that has “paid his dues”, this guy has done that and more. I believe he is exactly what is needed for this organization at this point in time…someone that has shown he will hold players accountable for their performance….small sample size be damned.
Sandberg is probably going to be passed over by at least 29 other clubs who believe they have better managerial candidates so any hand-wringing that he’s been alienated by the club is unwarranted. Unless he’s coming back to play 2B and hit in the middle of the order, his presence isn’t necessary for this club to get back to competing within its division.
Now that that is over with, it’s time to get better players on the field, which will go to further lengths in determining how and when this club will once again compete.
"When the day comes with that last winning run and I'm crying and covered in beer. I'll look to the sky and know I was right to think someday we'll go all the way." - Vedder
by krummy12 on Oct 19, 2010 11:48 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
You're absolutely correct.
Now, we can sit back and enjoy watching the rest of the playoffs, and hope the Yankees lose.
After that, when the free agent period begins, it’ll be time to start getting some of those better players.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Two in a row?
Al, is that two things in a row we’ve agreed upon? Either it’s tthe offseason or I’ve got a funny feeling that perhaps we’re on the cusp of better days ahead….
"When the day comes with that last winning run and I'm crying and covered in beer. I'll look to the sky and know I was right to think someday we'll go all the way." - Vedder
Three in a row...
…and I hate the offseason.
"When the day comes with that last winning run and I'm crying and covered in beer. I'll look to the sky and know I was right to think someday we'll go all the way." - Vedder
Most of us were already hopeing the Yankees would lose.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 19, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Amen. Screw the evil empire.
I wanna see Jeter’s smug face when they flame out.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Dempster on espn radio chicago
talking about quade
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
"My favorite food is Macaroni and Cheese, from the blue box." Geovany Soto
Dempster loves Quade <3
He’s happy!
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
"My favorite food is Macaroni and Cheese, from the blue box." Geovany Soto
Dempster loves anybody that thinks he's a staff ace.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
...and would make statements that
would help him with his next contract negotiation.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Oct 19, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
That's peachy...
…but please don’t put any weight on what the players think as to whether someone will do a good job. The two are really not related.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Although...
… you know going in that the core group of players respects the guy. That does count for something, right?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Respect is key...
…and as long as they respect him for the right reasons and it lasts, that is what is important.
Where a lot of guys fail, is when that line between being the boss (and taking charge) or simply being easy to play for, is crossed.
Time will tell how Quade does with this, but I do like the way he handles himself.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Yeah I do too.
I’m sure his inspiration to the team and departure from Lou had a lot to do with this, but he did have his own stubborness with some players, I hope he’s able to handle vets underperforming with the team truly his from the start. It’s a hard job to do with highly paid egos.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly...
…which is why over a period of time, if all the players say they love the manager, he probably is simply caving in to them.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
They don't need to love him.
Just respect him.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Can he do an imitation of him yet?
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 19, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Just like Al, I was for Sandberg - but I'm not anti-Quade
Quade is clearly not a “high profile” candidate, but that just puts the focus back on the team and playing winning baseball. Which is exactly what he got them to do in the final six weeks of this season.
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
Congrats to Mike Quade on becoming the next Cubs manager!
I feel this is finally a good hire (after going the “Big Name” route the last three times). We don’t win because of the name recognition, we win because of the players.
Quade has proven himself to be a great motivator and one who can get players focused on their jobs and to produce. He already has a track record as a MLB coach and “did his time” in the minors with the Iowa Cubs, and other teams before that.
He has passion for the game, a great rapport with the players and comes across as one who will hold players accountable for the play on the field.
Of course, that’s no guarantee of success, but then, who can guarantee anything in this crazy game of baseball?
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
by CubFanSince1970 on Oct 19, 2010 11:54 AM CDT reply actions
Big F'ing Deal...
we still have the same shitty players.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 19, 2010 11:55 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Amen to both.
This is a big event but in the next few years not as important as the team or the GM picking the players and contracts.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Very well said...
…the manager (whoever it is) will not win without a good organization around him.
In MLB, GM’s are responsible for championships and managers play a lessor role in getting there.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
DON'T YOU DARE SAY THE NAME I KNOW YOU'RE THINKING OF.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 19, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Hoffpauir, of course.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
HMMMM
WHO CAN PLAY BASEBALL
AND
COACH
HMMMM
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
PERHAPS A FIELD GENERAL?
SOMEBODY THAT COMMANDS RESPECT ON THE FIELD AND OFF IT?
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Thorton Melon:
All right. I’ll say it. ’Cause Truman was too much of a pussy wimp to let MacArthur go in there and blow out those Commie bastards!
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Oct 19, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
IF YOU EVEN SO MUCH AS TYPE HIS INITIALS...SO HELP ME...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 19, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Z initials are bombastic and fantastic lova lova
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
It is kind of a big deal...
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
"My favorite food is Macaroni and Cheese, from the blue box." Geovany Soto
then why don't shell out a few million and buys us some good free agents.
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
by CubFanSince1970 on Oct 19, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Language.
"All right, you ragtag bunch of misfits! You hate me, and I hate you even more. But without my beloved ringers, you're all I've got. So I want you to remember some inspiring words that someone else might have told you over the course of your lives, and go out there and win!"
by Lord Palmerston on Oct 19, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
This team isn't winning soon anyway!
I think it’s better for everyone with Quade in there because they ain’t winning any time soon with the bad contracts blocking any player acquisitions, might as well give him a shot, if he fails, then the new guys will start with a cleaner slate
"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"
by Itchy on Oct 19, 2010 11:59 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Only until the next time someone disagrees with him.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 19, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
That'll take as long as his next post.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
if Ryno becomes bench coach or 3rd base coach
I’m sure that will make him tell us why he shouldn’t be. :)
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 19, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
We hired Joey Cora?
Change the headline, Al!
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Congrats Quade
Longtime BCB reader, 1st time poster. I think Quade is a good choice. Give the man a chance…
You all have fun.
This is getting into lunatic fringe territory.
Most exciting thread in months.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I'm just wondering if the overflow thread will post in 45 minutes or an hour
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Oct 19, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
From Carrie Muscat
>http://muskat.mlblogs.com/archives/2010/10/1019_the_q_factor.html
“I don’t know how anybody could’ve done better than he did,” Cubs third baseman Aramis Ramirez said of Quade after the regular season finale Oct. 3.
“Q” was picked over Ryne Sandberg, which will upset more than a few Cubs fans who wanted the Hall of Fame second baseman back at Wrigley Field and in the dugout. It’s unlikely Sandberg will be on the Cubs coaching staff.
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
Muskat says it's 'unlikely'?
Watch for him to be named a coach.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Oct 19, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If Muskat said that...
…you may be right Al.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
hahahaha
I want her job
"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores." Corporal Maxwell Q. Klinger
in the end
comes down to what Sandberg wants. There are positives to him leaving. He’ll build more relationships, which will give him a better shot at a managerial career.
Rami liking his effort was only because he never got called out for not hustling with Q.
Which is one thing that worries about him next year. I hope he can deal with the vets and not just the young guys.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Girardi's ties to the Cubs
were wildly overstated. He won 2 rings as a player for the Yankees, one as manager, and was a broadcaster for them as well. He’s got the biggest payroll in the majors to work with. He’s too smart to consider giving up all that for a rebuilding team that’s trimming payroll.
Girardi’s ties now are to the Yankees.
You know, you are probably right
in the end, with Ricketts/Hendry in charge, I would not leave the Yankees for the Cubs either no matter what kind of Cub ties I had. The reality is that this organization is a huge mess, but hey enjoy your time in the $80 bleachers next year.
Nitpick.
Girardi won three rings (1996, 1998, 1999) with the Yankees as a player.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
SANDBERG ON ESPN CHICAGO!!!!
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
"My favorite food is Macaroni and Cheese, from the blue box." Geovany Soto
For those of us outside Chicago, please summarize his comments...
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
Jim Hendry
is a dumbass !!! Be advised that I’m paraphrasing while listening to the computer stream and a work conference call at the same time (remembered to have the conf call mute button activated this time).
Just win the next game...!
The dude...
…is not the sharpest tool in the shed when it comes to running a baseball team, but he in fact may be the greatest sales person who ever lived.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Sometimes I wonder if he's
just a tool.
One of the guys here has a Grabow $4.8M 2011 salary reference as his signature. So I had to go look it up if nothing more than for the curiosity that killed the cat. No crappin’. That alone makes Hendry a tool.
Just win the next game...!
Please transcribe as best you can
it would be so appreciated.
please please keep me posted
Great moments...are born...from great opportunity.
And that's what you have here...tonight, boys.
That's what you've EARNED here, tonight.
go here to listen
http://espn.go.com/chicago/radio/news/story?page=chicago/listenlive
So far he says his heart is in managing in the mlb and that is what he is looking to
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
"My favorite food is Macaroni and Cheese, from the blue box." Geovany Soto
as he should.
if he gets hired elsewhere im gonna have a very hard time not rooting for him…
Great moments...are born...from great opportunity.
And that's what you have here...tonight, boys.
That's what you've EARNED here, tonight.
Sounds like Sandberg just found out and he's digesting the news...
But he wants to manage in the majors and will probably look into other opportunities…
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
that is sad.
I was hoping for bench coach etc.
If he doesn’t get hired maybe he’ll reconsider
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 19, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
So much for the bench coach idea and all similar ones floated around.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
We don't know that yet.
He probably hasn’t decided yet.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
did you listen to that interview?
Great moments...are born...from great opportunity.
And that's what you have here...tonight, boys.
That's what you've EARNED here, tonight.
RYNO: "I'd be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed."
“They told me it went down to the wire. It’s disappointing for sure.”
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
True.
I guess part of that is just knowing after he did everything they wanted and was snubbed I didn’t think he’d want a bench coach job anyway…of course I don’t know what he will do once he has time to think about it. I’d hope he’d stay with the organization but it’s probably best for him to go elsewhere for now.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's let the dust settle
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Oct 19, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
That was absolutely
heartbreaking to listen to. Ryno basically said he’s done as a “Cub.” Way to go Hendry.
get over it.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 19, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Where's the sunglasses pic?
You’re getting lazy today.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
This paula lady isn't worth it.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 19, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
So
Al, you are going to give the woodenleg a timeout right?
for what?...go on...I'll wait for you to find something.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 19, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
::taps fingers::
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 19, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
This restrained side of you is new.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I bet she can find another place to do her laundry.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
He can refer to me as Paula but
I get the warning, Al?
So you are issuing a warning
to woodenleg?
woodenleg is trolling
and Al’s pool is paying the price, heh.
Theres a reason
why there is a whole facebook group devoted to beng banned from this site. Dont take it to heart.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
There are good reasons for those bans.
Don’t take that facebook group too seriously.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Are you a member?
’Cuz that would be awesome
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Indeed :D
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Youre missing the point
I love this site – but it is run inconsistently and sometimes shows favoritism. Clearly.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Oct 19, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's almost like REAL LIFE!!!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 19, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
If you don't like it so much ,
start your own site where you can see how “easy” it is to moderate without favoritism you see…geez look at how much patience Al had today.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Re-read
“I love this site”
You say I dont like it so much? Im confused not Lou Piniella confused but confused.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
I meant you whining about favoritism
and being run “inconsistently”…I mean any site has that, this one surely is run better than most and you would see that I think if you tried it yourself.
Lou Piniella confused is impossible to attain …made me laugh lol.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Touche
…..Lou reminds me of this doctor I used to work with. He was a brilliant Cardiologist in the Cath Lab at Evanston (no names) but I swear he need a Garmin to get home every night.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
A lotta docs are like that
It’s what comes from having your nose buried in med texts for decades at a time. No different than any other nerd out there in a lot of ways, especially if they spend most of their time in a lab instead of in front of patients.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I could see that
but the co- boss in that department was so brilliant in every thing.
Thats something I liked about the job – running the numbers I knew who was the best
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
LOL
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
HAMMER! WELCOME BACK MAN WHERE YA BEEN!
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Are teams allowed
to announce this kind of thing during the playoffs? I thought there was some sort of rule against it, or that it at least was frowned upon?
Just not during the WS.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Unless
The Cubs bought air-time on Fox during the WS. Then, say what you will.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 19, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Another BS MLB rule
How silly…. like people are so stupid they can’t absorb the news of a team’s hiring and not get into the WS game that evening.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Oct 19, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
It's more that a big story
like the A-Rod news will overshadow the game on sports channels. NFL is the same way. They don’t want big announcements during Super Bowl week.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
Ahh...my fine fellow fans. Good to talk to you again.
I am reminded of a story tville posted a couple of years ago when he happened to be traveling for work and staying in the same hotel as the Cubs in St. Louis.
I seem to remember him eloquently describing his observations of the players, staff, and coaches and how they interacted while chilling in the lounge for a couple of nightcaps. I think he was pointing out how the players seemed to have their own cliques – the jokesters, the latinos, etc. Then there were the coaches and staff who would gather among themselves.
Finally, he pointed out that Quade was sitting all by himself, quietly sipping his cocktail, and seemingly not concerned with trying to insert himself in with another gathered group of players or coaches. He just sat by himself, minding his own business off to the side.
It seems the lonely bird has gotten the worm this time.
Jack
derv
Is this a true story? Awesome.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
i'm little brain dead to think
are you suggesting that to be a positive or a negative? I think it could be viewed both ways.
I view it as a positive
No implied need to worry about favoritism in his decisions.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Oct 19, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
"It seems the lonely bird has gotten the worm this time."
So you’re suggestioning pity over quality?
Viva la Cubs Révolution!!!
in so many words
sandberg just said he has no further interest in managing in minors and wants a majors job.
Great moments...are born...from great opportunity.
And that's what you have here...tonight, boys.
That's what you've EARNED here, tonight.
that sure sounds like a "childish" way to respond to not getting what you want...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 19, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
that sounds "self-righteous and douchey"
and i was saying that Ryno is done with the Cubs. It is basically what he said.
Grabs popcorn...
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
T.O. would have his own press conference scheduled already for his "take" on it.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 19, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Get real
This is nowhere near the worst thing the team has done in the last 10 years.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Oct 19, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Not even close...
…and is also not close to what will determine if they can actually build a consistant winner from here on out.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Ryne put in the time in the minors and didn’t get the job. Can’t blame him for being pissed and moving on. Hope he does well wherever he goes.
by 10 14 23 26 on Oct 19, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
How do you know that?
What if he doesn’t get a major league managing offer? What then?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Stop using logic
It only confuses people.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Oct 19, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Did you read what he said?
“What if he doesn’t get a major league managing offer?” That interview didn’t say he had one lined up.
www.facebook.com/craighudak
by Craig in South Bend on Oct 19, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
This move doesn't make sense
When you look at it face value, Sandberg should be the manager. I saw somewhere in this thread that Quade has “paid his dues.” What exactly does that mean? Sandberg hasn’t despite rising through the ranks of the minor league system? Quade is nothing more than a short-run solution. He’s a man who has only managed a team for half a season when the Cubs were playing pointless games. To say he has greater managerial experience than Sanberg is quiet ridiculous.
But Ryne Sandberg, who has a higher reputation in Chicago, who would fill seats that would raise revenue for the team, and who would bring about that young spark and ability to manage here for the next decade, is not picked. It truly baffles me.
I’ll root for the Cubs, but I don’t understand Rickett’s logic. He said he wanted a manager who has really known the history of the team, and that would suggest that Sanberg should be his man.
Viva la Cubs Révolution!!!
People aren't going to come out in droves to watch the manager. You're kidding yourself.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 19, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
You'd be surprised
I’m sure more people saw games in Atlanta because they knew this was Bobby Cox’s last year of managing.
Viva la Cubs Révolution!!!
How do you watch the manager
when he spends most of the time in the dugout?
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 19, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
That's not really a comparable situation to Sandberg getting the job....is it?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 19, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd be willing to bet people would come to games, especially people who watched Sandberg play, and say
“I remember when he played, I’d love to see him on the field before games, etc.”
I mean, why else was the choice so popular? I think people would be fascinated by the idea that he is manager.
Viva la Cubs Révolution!!!
That would last...
…about 10 minutes.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Yeah it could put a few people in the stands for a few games but that's it.
People went to see Cox most of the season because their team was a contender. Same thing here. They aren’t going to come out game after game when the team sucks because Sandberg is in the dugout.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
You'd lose that bet
HoF player =/= HoF manager
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Oct 19, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Too general of a statement there
Mangers succeeding in the Majors is essentially a crapshoot anyway
Viva la Cubs Révolution!!!
Reagardless
People don’t go to games to see managers and coaches. They go to see the players.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Oct 19, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Some people made comments above that would suggest otherwise for your first sentence
Viva la Cubs Révolution!!!
Because they're willing his
on field performance equivalent to in the dugout. It’s a natural response for some folks. Most of us know that it just doesn’t work that way more often than not.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Oct 19, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
OT...
…that Hossa and Sharp are red hot aren’t they?
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I nearly flew out of my seat on all 3 goals last night
All right in front of me. Hoss’s 2nd was a beauty !!
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by blackhawk24 on Oct 19, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
It will take them another...
…15-20 games to gell, but if Hossa stays healthy, he could have a monster year.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
wait until Soupy gets back
that dynamic changes everything. And….I take it you saw Turco’s 100’ + pass last night? More of them to come too.
I’m leaning towards a Tazer/Slovak’s line and a Sharpie/Kaner/Brouwer line. That seemed to work on the fly going into the 3rd last night too.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Oct 19, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
this might be true on the opening homestand
which would be sold out no matter who manages
Their fans are a whole different entity than Cubs fans.
They are the epitome of fair weather.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
Nobody in Chicago is coming to a game to see the manager, period.
Ever
"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"
One person in this thread already said he was cancelling his Opening Day trip because Sandberg wasn't hired.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Precisely
Some baseball fans just seem to be a breed of their own, where they like to see that feel good story come true.
Viva la Cubs Révolution!!!
You really think
the buzz around the Cubs is the same with Quade or Sandberg? Seriously?
I think it would light some spark
I mean people thought it was big when Torre went to the Dodgers, and that became a huge marketing ploy.
Viva la Cubs Révolution!!!
The media buzz?
Of course not. But since when has the media been right about anything?
They can’t even ask a good question at a pre/post-game news conference…morons…!
Just win the next game...!
Then they are just weirdo jocksniffers that want to get Ryno's autograph
And they think we’ll automatically win because their precious Ryno is the manager.
"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"
Change the headline
To reflect all of the spoilerrific posts here!
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I do
I happen to enjoy the projection of what goes on in the managers mind which reflects on the field. Whatever happens tactically on the field starts in the managers head. Just because I can’t see them unless they’re shown on television doesn’t mean I’m not guessing about what they are thinking. This is why we criticize managers after the fact. It is also why baseball is awesome. So, “see” the manager? No. Come to a game partly because I want to “see” what a manager does in any given situation? Absolutely.
by SouthWabashSoul on Oct 19, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
There's a difference
He’s been their manager for what, 21 years? He’s a fixture in the Braves dugout. And along with Schuerholz, got 14 straight division championships and a WS title. That’s an accomplishment anyone here would possibly kill for with any Cubs manager.
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by blackhawk24 on Oct 19, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
It'd be a marketing gimmick if anything
This team has much BIGGER problems than the hiring of a guy who doesn’t happen to have a HoF name.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Oct 19, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
please read my above comments on Quade's qualifications compared to Sandberg
unless you think Q-rating is simply that important, there wasn’t any area where Ryno was ebtter than Quade as a candidate.
I'm OK with it
I wanted BB first, but knew awhile back that wasn’t happening.
Team is in transition (positive spin) or really in the state of flux (more accurate spin) so it pays to get a manger that had some experience with the existing roster and to align his contract with Hendry’s. Now it’s up to the whole organization to start to put the pieces together.
Just win the next game...!
Quade
Just because you were a great player? does not make you a great manager. Sandburg has no major league experience. he needs to accept that fact and become sometype of field manager, bench coach or whatever. stay with the Cubs. anyway he can. they have been very good to him.
Who says Quade is a great manager?
And Sanberg played the game for awhile; I’d say that’s major league experience within itself. When judging Quade to Sandberg, that argument is moot.
Viva la Cubs Révolution!!!
agreed on the last part
They have been good to him. They rose him up fairly quick. Often times, good managers take a lot more time in the minors. they fast-tracked him and got his name out there as a result of it.
I think LeBron's gonna re-sign with Cleveland. Loyalty. And he wants to build something there.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
ESPN reported it was a done deal coming to Chicago...watch out.
An anonymous exec said only the ink needed to be done.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey!
Maybe Sandberg will take his talents to South Beach! The Marlins are still looking for a manager, right?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Well he'll make the decision on the morning before after talking to his mother...
Don’t let the party arrangements for an announcement fool you, it’s all about what makes mom happy.
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Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Jersey Shore??
SNOOKIE!
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by RiskyBusiness on Oct 19, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't count Sandberg out with the Cubs yet...
I mean, just because he wants to be a manager does not mean he is going to get to be one, it is a pretty big risk for any team to take on someone with as little experience managing as he has. I really can’t see another team giving him a chance for a couple more years or so, it would be in his best interest to continue with the Cubs in the minors or take a bench coach job if offered to him. Though if I’m wrong and he does get offered a job somewhere else it will break my heart a little to see him with another team, but right now I feel like Quade is the best option.
What if Quade fails this season?
and Ryno has left the organization. Then what do we do?
Viva la Cubs Révolution!!!
I tend to think that
Casey Kopitzke is a fabulous manager candidate in training.
that said, barring a horrendously bad year, Quade likely won’t be canned off one season (just a hunch). If he is, then you go hire someone else. It’s not like they were the only candidates that were capabale. In fact, the Blue Jays are rumored to be liking DeMarlo Hale, and everythingI’ve heard about him suggests that he would’ve been as good, if not better, than Quade or Sandberg.
he managered peoria
last year, after managing xst/boise the year before. With Sandberg likely moving on, Kopitzke has a shot to be moved up, perhaps AA, although that may be quick. All the reports have been very, very positive about him.
We find another manager in one or two years.
This team will be largely unchanged from the one that just finished under .500, so no one should expect anything more than a possibility of a playoff run from Quade next year.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Oct 19, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Is Sandberg...
…like the only guy on earth who could manage the Cubs to a championship?
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
To a Galactic Championship
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by RiskyBusiness on Oct 19, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Some people seem to think so
because there is a super-duper unbelievable pressure in Wrigley that only Ryno can overcome. The Cubs will never win unless he is the manager.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
What if Sandberg had
been hired and failed? Then what would they do.?
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
Team Ricketts may have poor baseball instincts but, like previous owners,
they do show us consistency. With the Q-Pick, the Simpson draft, and the premature Piniella retirement announcement, they apparently have the same flair for cheap publicity and cheaper hires as both Wrigley and the Trib.
Next year, folks, we’ll see Epstein, Francona, and Bill James come over from Boston to share some of that Red Sox magic. Count on it!
"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62
"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64
you do realize that the cheaper hires argument
doesn’t really work that well, right? There was little chance that a weaker, less experienced candidate like Sandberg would’ve gotten more years or money.
I dissagree!!!!!!!
Come on!!!!!!! He is unproven. think with your mind and not your heart.
by bloozeman401 on Oct 19, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Piniella went home to take care of his ailing mother
and that’s cheap publicity? wow
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by RiskyBusiness on Oct 19, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm referring to the first announcement in July, the one immediately preceding the team's total collapse.
I don’t recall if Lou’s mom was mentioned then, but I do remember the plan was for him to finish the year.
"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62
"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64
Better to announce that than to have it leaked
You’re way off base here.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 19, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Think ernaga
was referring to the Cubs organization not getting Lou to leave right away in July. I totally agree with sentiment. Lou came out and announced he’s done after 2010, the organization surely could have conjured up a reason for a July retirement press conference.
Just win the next game...!
And people would have seen right through it
That would not have been a good move in the baseball industry. It’s no different than if an employee said he was retiring at the end of the year and suddenly was gone at mid-year. Except that this is a high profile job and the employer would look bad.
No, the Cubs took the high road on an already bad season.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 19, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Except in this case...
… circumstances came up in Lou’s personal life that did not exist when the season started. Had he said he was retiring and leaving in July for the same reasons he left in August, people would have understood, and maybe they wouldn’t have had that 4-17 run.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Like situations when Demp was throwing
…a SO in the 7th inning of close game. “Q2” (My 1st formal nick-name for Quade, the 2nd “Q” manager/coach in ChiTown) took Demp out for a PH with a chance to win the game. Lou would not have done that. To a fault he was too loyal in his Sr years.
The message Q2 sent IMO was HUGE in that (and many other situations) and why I believe he’s now the 2011 Cubs manager…
Just win the next game...!
Yes - if Lou decided it
But if the Cubs were asking Lou to leave early and calling it retirement – No. That stuff never stays secret and then the club look bad.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 19, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Under the personal circumstances Lou was under...
… I don’t see how anyone could have viewed it as the Cubs asking him to leave.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I've said this before
Smart employers don’t kick someone when they’re down.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 19, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Point well taken: They could have still taken a high road
…and let Lou go in July. By waiting another 5 weeks, they sent the message to a lot of youngsters they didn’t give a shit about the 2010 season.
Just win the next game...!
I just see more downside than upside
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by RiskyBusiness on Oct 19, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
You bet, if they played it wrong
They would have had to do it delicately and make sure it did not get interpreted improperly.
Lou was a beaten down man, even perhaps before his mom took ill. It would have been best for all if his leaving took place that 5 weeks sooner.
Just win the next game...!
Delicately
Oh this of the club with the MB (go home and stay in your room) and Big Z (If I have to pull this car over) suspensions.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 19, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Absolutely. That timing of that first announcement was designed to accomplish the following:
• Promote three months of massive speculation and free publicity pertaining to the managerial search.
• Distract fans from the abysmal performance on the field and in the front office.
• Prevent press and public from speculating about a clean sweep involving Hendry and Kenney in addition to Lou.
• Eliminate the need to pay Piniella big money not to manage.
• Avoid an embarrassing scenario where Trammell or another interim manager takes over and has the team playing .650 to finish the year, forcing management to trash any game plan and go with the hot hand.
"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62
"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64
And I thought I could design a conspiracy theory
You’d better get your tin foil cap back on.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 19, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, 3 out of 5 ain't bad...
The July announcement did kick-off an enormous run of publicity and speculation that will continue well into next season. For the most part, fans have been distracted from this season’s failures, and Hendry and Kenney appear safe for another year.
Unfortunately for management, Lou presumably did get paid not to manage, and an interim skipper did take over to enjoy the predictable .650 result of addition-by-subtraction. Now, the owners are stuck having to hire the guy full-time, if for no other reason than to see if they really were lucky enough to fall into some fecal matter when Lou left early.
"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62
"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64
seriously
I know you support Sandberg, and as I’ve said, he was a decent candidate, but can you tell me why Sandberg was a better candidate than Quade outside of Q-rating? I was going to leave the other thread alone … but I find it a bit ludicrous that you essentially compared Quade to … fecal matter.
It’s been well acknowledged by many today that Quade has long been respected by baseball people. Doesn’t mean he’ll succeed. He has more experience than Sandberg. He has a better grasp of “modern” baseball. He’s viewed as a better in-game manager. He’s shown the capability to maintain discipline while building rapport. He gave structure to the Cubs, which was lacking. He has a strong work ethic, he is solid with the fundamentals. He was an excellent minor league manager.
Go down the line. Can you make the case as to why Sandberg was a better candidate than Quade? If Q-rating is that important, can you tell me why it is so important to have a manager with a high Q-rating. You’ve loosely compared Quade to fecal matter … so can you make the case as to why Sandberg is a better candidate, other than that Quade’s end of the season run shouldn’t matter that much … which I agree with.
Take the fecal matter out of it and it's still ludicrous
The idea that the Cubs were “stuck” with Quade is delusional at best.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 19, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not comparing Quade to anybody, much less anything...
All I’m saying is that the new owners appear as clueless and impulsive in making baseball decisions, as they are prudent and wise in bottom-line matters. Apparently, they want to run the team as a small market operation and hope for the best as far as team performance goes. Meanwhile, they seem focused on increasing worldwide profits generated by the “Chicago Cubs,” “Wrigley Field” and – judging by their plans for Mesa – perhaps even a “Wrigleyville” brand that may comprise the most valuable parts of their franchise.
"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62
"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64
in saying that
they are clueless and impulsive, you are suggesting that this was the wrong baseball decision to make. Otherwise they wouldn’t be clueless and impulsive. So … forget comparing Quade to Sandberg, which no one has been able argue as to why Sandberg would’ve been a better baseball move.
Why is hiring Quade a clueless and impulsive action, and would hiring Sandberg be a well-thought out and reasoned course of action, relative to making baseball decisions? Make that argument – that’s all I’m asking. What is the argument there? to suggest this hiring is clueless and impulsive as a baseball decision suggests that there are specific issues that you have with it from a baseball perspective. What is it, and why does Sandberg address the baseball decision aspects more
by toonsterwu on Oct 19, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If Quade was a serious candidate or manager-in-waiting prior to August...
…we certainly would have been made aware of it sometime in his years as third-base coach, much as anyone following the Dodgers in the ’70’s knew that Lasorda was Alston’s heir apparent, or those following the Braves the last few years knew that Gonzales was the pick to take over for Bobby Cox. As far as I know, Quade’s name never surfaced as a candidate until the Buster Olney piece this summer.
Obviously, there is nothing on Sandberg’s managerial resume that makes him a stronger choice than Quade, just as there is nothing on paper to recommend Q, other than his nice clean-up job this year and, as I stated on other threads, I discount the value of those late season results.
The difference, I believe, rests in the demonstration of good faith and commitment to fans that would have been inherent in a Girardi or Sandberg “big market” hire, with Team Ricketts showing a willingness to bring-on and support a high-maintenance manager. Instead, they used a lucky 40-game sample as cover to go cheap.
"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62
"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64
you do remember
that Quade was a managerial candidate last time around for the Cubs, right? Furthermore, as someone noted above, he was a hot prospect once, but the timing/situation was never right. There aren’t that many jobs to get, and I don’t think you discount someone just because they never have.
On paper, Quade offers a lot more than Sandberg, and that’s where I completely don’t see what you are saying. Strong in-game managerial ability, stronger awareness of modern baseball, MLB experience (discount the managerial period – he was a coach). You seem to suggest that the only reason to hire Quade was the last few weeks, but as I pointed out above and elsewhere, Quade is Sandberg’s equal or better in every managerial category that people can come up with.
On qualifications alone, Quade topped Sandberg.
Stuck? Stuck!?
Really? With Quade?? When the Cubs could have hired Ryne Sandberg and no one would have questioned their logic??? Un-freakin-Believable!
You need a bigger shovel if you want to keep digging yourself in. Have a good time down there.
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by RiskyBusiness on Oct 19, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
So, what happened?
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 19, 2010 12:31 PM CDT reply actions
Nothing to see here folks. Move along please.
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by RiskyBusiness on Oct 19, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Lets play a game...
Who can best sum up this thread in one word?
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 19, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
LWDYWMTD?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 19, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Hype.
Trolling was good but already taken.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
ahem
OOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 19, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
bURP!
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by RiskyBusiness on Oct 19, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
buckfutters
"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores." Corporal Maxwell Q. Klinger
n00bs came, conquered, looked like idiots.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
So, it's like the first 50 games from last season?
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 19, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
only 50?
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, let's see.
First the earth cooled. And then the dinosaurs came, but they got too big and fat, so they all died and they turned into oil. And then the Arabs came and they bought Mercedes Benzes. And Prince Charles started wearing all of Lady Di’s clothes – I couldn’t believe it!
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Rosebud was his sled
Everyone on the island was already dead.
Verbal Kint made everything up on the spot.
And Soylent Green is people!
You are such a piece of crap.
I can’t believe you would spoil these things. Hey, jerk, why don’t you just tell me the ending to the 6th Sense.
And everyone on the island was not dead. They all lived and died whenever their time was up, whether if that was on the island or not. YOU ARE A MORON! COME ON! LETS FIGHT! YOU AND ME, BUD!
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 19, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
You left out the fact that Ronin never finds out what is in the case
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by Fat Punk Kicker on Oct 19, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
What case? ;)
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by RiskyBusiness on Oct 19, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Everybody knows that it was the Holy MacGuffin
Sheesh.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I’m on the fence about this move. Ryno did everything the organization asked him to, from managing A-Ball on up, and then when the opening came, they gave it to someone else. The young players coming up have all played under Ryno, and on the PR side, the team would draw a lot of fans in the next couple of years during what looks to be a fallow period for the team. On the other hand, Marty Lurie, a baseball mind I respect a lot up here in the SF Bay Area, is very close friends with Quade and holds him in very high esteem, and this could come down to the organization having to make a very tough baseball decision. This still goes back to what I considered to be a really bad decision, which was hiring Lou in the first place; I will always be a big fan of his, but after watching him in Tampa, I felt most of his fire and drive had gone out, and that proved to be the reality in the last two seasons in Chicago. The Cubs could have hired Girard instead, and if he didn’t work out, Ryno would have been waiting in the wings; the premature departure of Lou forced the Cubs to hire someone now, and the great performance of Quade as interim manager made this an even tougher situation. Oh well, I’m fully behind Quade, and I hope that we win big and hope that Ryno doesn’t become another Mike Scoscia, winning for another organization than the one he was a part of for most of his career.
Eliminate that pesky Dominatrix in one easy step. Step 1: Tell her you're a Cubs fan!
I love Ron Santo...
…but he has a difficult time with constructive criticism of the Chicago Cubs.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
He said Quade is "three days ahead" making out lineups...
the Cubs players responded well when Quade took over and that he handled the bullpen well…
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
That's all I need to know!
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Like he'd say anything else....
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Oct 19, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Mike Quade...
…the “fine” manager of the Chicago Cubs.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Only 164 days until we hear that....
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Oct 19, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Less, probably.
He’ll probably be on the radio during some spring training games.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
shocker
If the Cubs hired Kim Jong-il to be their new manager, Santo would think its great. The man has never criticized any move the team has made and thats why he’s not a good commentator.
Never bite the hand that feeds you!!!!!!!
Life lesson 101.
by bloozeman401 on Oct 19, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
there is a difference...
… between not biting the hand that hand that feeds you and having no objectivity at all and thinking that every move is the greatest thing ever.
Kim Jong-Il
is a knucklehead
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Terrific filmmaker though!
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 19, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Heckuva golfer, too
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
For those hopefull about Quade, let me ask you this...
Do you really want a manager that looks like he’s most likely an alien? It looks like he doesn’t even have any eyebrows! You’re all fools if you believe in this f’n Martian. FOOLS!
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 19, 2010 12:40 PM CDT reply actions
Hey, I know you were joking, but...
… Quade suffers from alopecia. If you don’t know what that is, google it.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
???
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Oct 19, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No
that’s a future sweater
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 19, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 19, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Christopher Reeve had alopecia as well
and so does actor Barry Corbin (“Northern Exposure”). It’s no fun living with psoriasis, but I can deal with the plaques on my legs better than losing my hair and eyebrows.
The whiners here are unbelievable
Sandberg isn’t owed crap. He worked 4 years in the minors. Who cares? How many years did Quade put in? All the four years gives him is consideration which he received. The fact that he is a Cubs HOF means nothing. The hiring should not be a sentimental pick.
Bypassing him will not impact attendance. Winning and losing will. Free agents will not bypass the Cubs because Quade is the manager. Money talks.
I have no idea whether Quade will work out but neither do all the whiners that somehow the greatest manager in the history of baseball was passed up. Quade or Sandberg, it doesn’t matter if Hendry continues to screw up.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
Dear Whiners...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 19, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Can I whine about the whiners who are whining about whining?
Wait, what?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
A rose by any other name is still a troll...
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
"It's nice to be nice... to the nice." (Maj. Frank Burns)
There are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. Who says baseball isn't a religion?
I remember that line.
One of his other ones: “Did I mention that I once taught my pet rabbit to smile?”
"Frank Burns eats worms..."
There are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. Who says baseball isn't a religion?
He was not owed the job
but if all things were equal he should have gotten it. Clearly Hendry thinks Ryno is retarded or something.
I'm far from a Hendry fan
but evidently all things were not equal.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
you don't let up on the insults with anyone...
I don’t think your stay here is gonna last.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
again
can you tell me a reasonable argument, outside of Q-rating, as to why Ryno should’ve gotten the job? I’ve posted Quade’s “case” above and elsewhere, and I simply don’t see any argument as to how Sandberg, outside of Q-rating, was a better candidate? So, that begs the question – wouldn’t you want to hire the better candidate?
If you disagree with the above assertion, please tell me why, responding to the points I made above. If you think Q-rating is that significant, I’d like to hear why as well.
Wow.
You’re going for the trifecta today. Watch your language.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Jesus Christ I'm really sorry
I had no idea that “retarded” was offensive to you given how prevalent it is in general internet usage.
Prevalent - Yes.
Ignorant – Yes.
Say that in front of my mother who has worked as with children with special needs for 20+ years and expect a smack in the mouth.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
+1
it is one thing to use the word correctly, it is a whole different ball of wax to use it that way
Sure seems like it. The trolls are out in full force today.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
ill let you off this time
dont let me see it again
He's my Hossa
HO-HO-HO-HO-HOSSA
by jesus christos on Oct 19, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I dont condone the use of the word
….but honestly. Whats the difference with that and having someone on this site with “midget” in his name.
Neither are PC.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
I think
you really think a bit too much of yourself. If it were BLou maybe – but honestly I have never seen you on here before.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
Al has disliked me for some reason
for several years so I mostly stay away. I go say hello to him when I visit Wrigley but he acts like I have a contagious disease so I am not planning to do that anymore.
You poor unfortunate soul. Tell us more.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 19, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
He/she doesn't play the victim very well.
But tell us of your oppression in more detail, please. Sounds like a spanish inquistion.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
how about this
read all of your comments, then read all of the comments posted by the likes of elgato, swl, set, Doggie Stalker, Arbusto, Craig in South Bend, Ealy Eagle, Easy Ed, toonster, etc and see why the owner of this site might not want to associate himself with you.
you left me out waaaaaaa
Chronologically inept since 2060
"I could be writing this crap!" -- Crow T. Robot
Me: Q: I can run but not walk. Wherever I go, thought follows close behind. What am I?
Wrigster A: Theriot
hahahahahaha
Chronologically inept since 2060
"I could be writing this crap!" -- Crow T. Robot
Me: Q: I can run but not walk. Wherever I go, thought follows close behind. What am I?
Wrigster A: Theriot
Most likely, it wasn't Hendry's call...
…A three-year contract for Ryno might have meant more job security for Jim.
"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62
"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64
more than likely it was
Every indication all along has been that Ricketts was going to let Jim make this call. He even said it today. Moreover, Quade has long been a favorite of Jim’s.
Are you sure you're not 14 instead of 40?
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 19, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
it's like
a skipping record. Every time I think you’re gone YOU’RE BACK IN!
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Oct 19, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Why do I have this feeling that an overflow thread, or two, or three, will be needed?
(sarcasm alert) Who knew the Cubs new manager choice would cause such a discussion!?
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
I'll probably make a longer post after the news conference.
Which, BTW, I will be attending. Will try to tweet from there.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Meh
With the roster issues we have now both guys would have failed…Quade still will. It’s a moot point.
THE FONZ HAS ARRIVED!
by amaru on Oct 19, 2010 12:48 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
This.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 19, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Enough with the logic and common sense.
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 19, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Statue of limitations
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 19, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
A man's gotta know his limitations.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
So then
why in the world do you not install the living legend instead of the guy nobody heard of until a couple months ago?
Ask Jim Hendry.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 19, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
because maybe
the other guy is a better candidate for the job? And again … Quade’s name was only an unknown to fans perhaps.
so then
why install Ryno, with no trackrecord in the bigs – over a guy with experience and a good record in a short time?
I used to want Ryno but now I realize that he hasnt done jack as a manger – as a player yes, manager no
Good question
Maybe Sandberg is the guy you bring in around 2013 when this team actually has a shot of doing something.
As long as Jim Hendry is in charge, the Cubs will disappoint their fans. It’s simple enough to me….let money come off the books, then get a new (and competent) GM, and then bring in your long term manager.
THE FONZ HAS ARRIVED!
I have a feeling...
…Ricketts is having similar thoughts. I’m not saying he is looking forward to bringing Sandberg on board in 2013, but he is thinking about who may be running the baseball operations at that time or even sooner.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I certainly
hope so. But why wait? Why not start gutting this organizations management starting now. Why wait, spinning our wheels with the same GM who got us into this mess?
THE FONZ HAS ARRIVED!
I don't know...
…but IMO, Ricketts is already 12 months behind in getting the mother ship headed in the right direction.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Other perspectives
Looking through other media in other cities before today’s news, the consensus seemed to be the Cubs probably won’t hire Quade….because it seems like the reasonable thing to do.
They didn’t have any faith in Hendry to do what these writers believed to be the…right move. They assumed Ryno would be hired — just beause of his celebrity.
I guess we’ll eventually find out the validity of this signing.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 19, 2010 12:54 PM CDT reply actions
Interesting point.
but it shows how much you should listen to other teams and sportswriters who definitely don’t have your best interest in mind.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Other perspectives
Looking through the prism of other media who are not as invested in the situation as we are — I’ve read in other out-of-Chicago media that the Cubs would probably do the wrong thing and hire Ryno because of his celebrity.
It was a consistent opinion — expect the Cubs to make the wrong move again.. Probably a cheap shot, but the thought was that Quade earned the job. Most didn’t see Ryno as up to the task. (I don’t agree.)
We’ll judge this move in time. Can’t really do so thoughtfully today, just emotionally.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 19, 2010 1:05 PM CDT reply actions
In hindsight...
… I wonder if this hire was made on August 22.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
one thing to be said
is that Hendry has always been high on Quade. He interviewed him in the past. Spec was that he pushed the news behind the Olney article early in the year about Quade’s managerial possibilities. He got Quade on Lou’s staff. It’s very possible that this was an exercise in finding a reason to not stick with Quade, and not necessarily an open competition. After all, Quade was never given an interim tag.
I'll give Quade credit for something else.
He was on the coaching staff of the A’s in the early 2000’s when they were making the playoffs almost every year. That experience has to be valuable, too.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
more important to me
was that he was in their system as a manager as well. that’s useful experience and knowledge to bring in.
you know
the more I learn about Q-Ball the more I like him as Manager – right now score 1 for jimbo
and as they say:
The more you know!
True, good point.
Any possibility he brings in someone like Ken Macha as a bench coach? Would Macha even be willing to do that?
Ron Washington was another branch off of the early 2000’s A’s tree, not a bad manager, at least on the field.
It also helped that the A’s had 2 MVPs who were on steroids and 3 Cy-Young caliber pitchers.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
Actual hire? No. Strong consideration? Yes.
IMO they had to keep their options open between Aug 22nd and say a week after the RS ended. Who knows what would have happened those 7 weeks.
Just win the next game...!
Boy oy boy, all the angst here
You should have heard the angst in ‘Hawks land when HoF’er Denis Savard was fired two years ago in favour for that almost-a-no-name Joel Quenneville guy. "Hey why the hell did the ‘Hawks hire that StL Blues reject of a coach ?!?!? Those bastards !! They fired a HoF’er !!! A guy whos number is retired at United Centre !!! I’m never going to another game again !!! "
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Oct 19, 2010 1:08 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Excellent point.
Though, Quenneville did have previous NHL head coaching experience.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
and was seen by many as...
the coach who couldn’t win during the playoffs. So, the idiots thought, “why would we bring this guy in who hasn’t won anything!?” Truth was, he was simply the right guy for the job, period. And eventually, those idiots understood that…because Coach Q did the job on the ice (well, behind the bench, on the ice)
We really don’t know yet, Quade could really be the right guy for this job…let’s let the play on the field do the talking…and not just someone’s history with the club.
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
Follow-up Article on Sandberg
http://dailyherald.com/article/20101019/sports/710209938/
Barry Rozner talked to Ryne today and believes that Sandberg will likely move on.
Fair enough.
But what happens if there ISN’T a major league managing job elsewhere for Sandberg?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Not necessarily a managerial gig
Rozner indicated that he could also take a major league coaching job elsewhere. He can either get some experience in another organization OR with an organization that sees him as a future manager.
I wonder if Sandberg has even made a final call yet.
I doubt he’d take a coaching job for another team — I suspect it’s managing he’s looking for.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
there's really only the Toronto opening left
that Sandberg might have a shot at, and even then, they reportedly have their front runners. Maybe he somehow gets into the Pittsburgh mix, but I doubt it.
He really needs to take a coaching job to have a better chance. Certainly, guys have gone from minor league managers to major league managers, but the right situation has to be in place. Few GM’s take that level of risk.
Toronto would actually make some sense for him...
… and for them, too. People here have said the name “Ryne Sandberg” doesn’t mean anything in Toronto, but he IS a Hall of Famer. That may count for something. Given who their last few managers have been, maybe they need a fresh start.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Toronto would actually make some sense for him...
… and for them, too. People here have said the name “Ryne Sandberg” doesn’t mean anything in Toronto, but he IS a Hall of Famer. That may count for something. Given who their last few managers have been, maybe they need a fresh start.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I'm not sure ryno
is a fit with their GM, Alex Anthoupoulos (sp?), in terms of style.
If that's the only one out there, I'd take it.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
oh
I’m fairly confident that ryno would jump at it. I’m just not sold he’s high on AA’s GM list.
The rest of that list isn't all that impressive.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
really?
I think differently. You know I liked Quade, but I really like what I’ve heard about DeMarlo Hale. I believe a lot of folks are high on Tim Bogar. People like Bob Melvin a lot. Wedge was on their list as well.
Been spec that they may be waiting for someone on the final four teams.
Unless he thinks...
wink-wink there’s a short-term path to mgmt of said team.
Just win the next game...!
I could see
one of the base coach jobs remaining open until Ryno commits elsewhere as a gesture of goodwill
Exactly, what happens?
it appears from Ryno’s statements that Ricketts has not offered any position in the Cubs organization to him. This is a huge mistake.
I’m ok with Quade, heck if not for Ryno I’d actually be happy now. But, given all the time this thing took how could they they announce Quade without solidifying Ryno’s position?
It looks like they not only hired Quade, but they dumped Ryno!! Terrible.
"The Cubs are due in sixty-two." - #14
Since Sandberg...
…has made it clear he wants to manage at the ML level, maybe they are respecting that, and letting him see what is out there.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
And if nothing is...
… maybe the Cubs offer him a coaching spot.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Yeah, like
“Ryno, we know you want to explore what else is out there but you know you always have a home in the Cubs organization.”
But they just said (according to Ryno), “sorry you were second best, have a nice day.”
there is a difference
between saying we want you to be XYZ coach and saying let us know what you work out
They dumped him.
Pure and simple. No apparent effort has been made to keep him in the organiztion. He didn’t just lose out to Quade, he has been abandoned.
"The Cubs are due in sixty-two." - #14
That would be his first reaction yes...
…but someone has to be willing to hire him first.
Very unlikely he gets a managerial gig, but he may find a coaching slot somewhere.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Rozner
ghost wrote Sandberg’s autobiography. He’s hardly an unbiased observer.
by Clark Addison on Oct 19, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
And they're budds too
plus Ryno mentioned Roz by name in his HoF induction speech 7/31/05. But still I’m not sure if there’s any connection here.
Just win the next game...!
I endorse Quade
…I would have bet all my chips that he would get the job. I like him and the choice I just cannot stand who made the decision – Hendry need to go away.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
I thought Tom Ricketts had final sign-off on this decision?
Hendry was just getting him a shortlist and suggestions…
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I knew that would be a response to this
…..but still. Who know if Ricketts even knows what a balk is or the infield fly…??
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
Then why'd you say it?
And I do have serious doubts about TR’s knowledge of the game, as I’ve stated elsewhere. If I had to guess, I’d say Hendry presented him Quade, Sandberg, and maybe someone else, and TR asked who he’d like to work with more next year. Hendry said “Q”, and Ricketts told him to call him with the good news.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Yeah I don't think Ricketts has any Steinbrenner knowledge on GMs or managers.
Which is what disturbs me about him leaving Hendry in place, he needs to get consultants to help him and I sure hope he is behind the scenes instead of trusting the status quo will just work out.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
What you just said...
…is 10 times more important then who the new manager is.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Amen.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Would Quade have even been considered for this job if Louis Victor Piniella finished out the season?
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-- Pat Williams
by Fat Punk Kicker on Oct 19, 2010 1:28 PM CDT reply actions
Yes.
Because Quade was supposedly considered in 2006 when Lou was hired.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
It is fair to say I think that Quade's name went to the top though because of how the team
Responded to him.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
And even if Quade wasn't considered
there is no guarantee that it would have been Sandberg. Today’s announcement could have been Wedge. There is nothing that says that Sandberg was second in line for the job.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
Well, Sandberg says that the Cubs told him that.
MLBMilestone.com - following the numbers to Cooperstown
well
I’ve been told in the past I was 2nd for things, only to find out that everyone was 2nd. I mean … that’s sort of the thing that is said when you don’t get something – you were next. Also … Ryno was arguably the only other candidate left.
I voted Yea
It’s worth noting that Mike Quade was once a hotshot managerial prospect. He won minor league manager of the years twice (1991 and 1993) and was also one of the finalists for the Cubs’ managerial job back in 2006. Plus, he’s been with the Cubs since 2003.
Considering how much time he’s logged in the minors and with the Cubs, I think he has a much better claim to being “owed” this job than Sandberg. The players seemed to like him and he didn’t seem like much of a bonehead with things like pitcher usage and lineups (save for how he used Koyie Hill). The benching Castro thing was kind of dumb, but whatever.
This is better than overpaying for Girardi.
Probably missed the link...
Ryno sounds awfully depressed….but never completely denied returning to the Cubs organization…
I like this move, but it says volumes in invisible ink...
To me, this move is Hendry’s way of saying “We’re re-building and I don’t want Ryno to feel that pain.” They are cutting payroll a bit and trying to integrate younger players into the mix. The inevitable result will be a couple of years of growing pains. Hendry probably sees Q “expendable” and a better choice to help with the development before yielding to a bigger name (like Ryno?).
I think that Hendry took a look at what happened to Alan Trammell in Detroit and decided that he didn’t want the franchise’s icon to absorb those losses and get fired before the re-building job was complete.
I just hope that Ryno understands the situation and doesn’t become bitter.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
I think that Hendry took a look at what happened to Alan Trammell in Detroit and decided that he didn’t want the franchise’s icon to absorb those losses and get fired before the re-building job was complete.
Presuming this is true, don’t you think Hendry would have said exactly that to Sandberg?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
What!!!!!!
How do you know he did not? are you privey? to private conversations.
by bloozeman401 on Oct 19, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
What!!!!!!!
Sure, Ryno is upset. who wouldn’t be. but baseball is a game of patience. and that is just what he needs. never jump the gun.
by bloozeman401 on Oct 19, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I think there's an echo goin' on...
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
What you say!!
You have no chance to survive make your time.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
My sense is that Hendry did not want to hire Ryno.
Why not is (to me) the un-answerable question…
1. Not enough experience?
2. Player development people not happy with his work the last four years?
3. Personality conflict?
4. Expressed a Lou-like lust for “superstars” that won’t mesh well with re-building?
5. Didn’t like Ryno “campaigning” for the job in 2006 and now?
6. My reason that you cited (Alan Trammell, part II)?
7. Values player input that wanted Q retained?
8. Q will work cheaper?
9. Wanted too many changes on coaching staff (i.e., Rothschild)?
Hendry is pretty discreet, so I wouldn’t expect him to say anything publicly. Do we know that Hendry didn’t explain his reasons to Ryno, whatever they are?
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
#4 is just wrong
Go back and listen to his HOF speech. This is a HOFer who road the busses across the midwest. I am not saying that would make him a good manager, but the notion of him as a superstar loving high manager type just doesn’t float.
Eamus Ursuli!
it's been reported
that Sandberg only got a call from Ricketts saying that it was close. It’s also been emphasized in one or two articles that the Cubs have not offered Sandberg any spot in the org.
It’s also been emphasized in one or two articles that the Cubs have not offered Sandberg any spot in the org.
Yet.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
What would they offer him?
The Des Moines job? Quade’s bench coach gig?
I think Sandberg’s gone, Al. At least, for now.
Yet.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
by awfullyquiet on Oct 19, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I heard
Sandberg found out that he wasn’t the manager when Ricketts and Hendry de-friended him on facebook.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 19, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
my hunch is that
you are reading too much into it. For example, one poiint I’d make is that wouldn’t Hendry want to support the guy that he likes (Quade), the guy who his Asst. GM was college teammates with, and protect him as well?
This would be the same as admiting that your team is going to suck this year.
I don’t think a GM is ever going to say that…..Publicly
We can't win at home. We can't win on the road. I just can't figure out where else to play!
-- Pat Williams
by Fat Punk Kicker on Oct 19, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I just thought of something
Since the Cubs never slapped the “interim” tag on Quade, if I was his agent, I’d ask for the difference in cash between his manager’s paycheck and his 3B Coach paycheck to be provided retroactive to August 22.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
There is no literal difference in salary between a coach and a manager
the way there is say major league minimum for a player called up from the minors. Mike Maddux,
Dave Duncon and I believe both the Cubs hitting and pitching coach make more money than some small market managers.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 19, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Those are true but specialized guys .
Quade didn’t have their talents to bring to the table and getting more pay for being promoted to manager is a reasonable request to me. I doubt Q wants to worry about it now but it’s reasonable to want it.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
but there is no set fee
I mean I can see them giving him some bonus but not a specific amount based on how much more one should be paid weekly to manage. I imagine his new two year contrace will take care of him fine.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 19, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
It’s a consideration but I doubt we’ll ever hear about it with it being his first job.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I highly doubt Quade will want to start off his career next year with a contract dispute
With his first gig as mlb manager but it’s an interesting question.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Living in NY
I don’t want this to be a Mattingly situation. A lot, and I mean a lot, of Yankee fans wanted him to be the manager after Torre, but they went with Girardi. It pained most Yankee fans seeing him in a Dodger uniform. I don’t want that to happen to Ryno. It would suck seeing him, let’s say, in Cardinals red managing against and not for.
Also, I don’t see a problem with having him on the coaching staff and a “manager in waiting”. A lot of college basketball and football programs do this and as far as I know, hasn’t been a problem.
Didn't they hire Joe Paterno's successor 30 years ago
We can't win at home. We can't win on the road. I just can't figure out where else to play!
-- Pat Williams
by Fat Punk Kicker on Oct 19, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
The "In waiting" scenario is usually only applied to older coaches who have plans to retire in the next 10 years
Quade is only 2 years older than Sandberg, so that wouldn’t really apply here.
Also, I’d be more than happy to have the Mattingly situation. That would mean we won a World Series with the unpopular pick. That’d actually be amazing, regardless of what uniform Sandberg is wearing.
BOOOOOOO
It will take a while for me to get past this, but I am not happy about this decision.
Yes, my emotional response is just that, emotional, but then again that is what being a fan is all about.
To me, Sandberg and Quade are both unproven ML managerial candidates. The nice end of season run Quade had is meaningless to me, so I compare them as minor league managers and baseball lifers. By those metrics, Quade has more experience as a MiLB manager, but Sandberg’s record is not shabby. I take Toonster’s critique seriously, and I do like the multiple organizations experience that Quade brings, but frankly that just doesn’t sway me that much.
So, in the end I view this as choice between two pretty comparable candidates. A Cub legend and a career minor leaguer. I am tremendously disappointed in this move.
Jim Hendry, BOOOOOOOOO. Seeing Ryno in another uniform will be painful and sad.
Eamus Ursuli!
And you always want to choose a manager based on their
playing record.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
That is not what I said
Look, the meme that has developed suggesting that Sandberg’s only attribute is his HOF career is just ridiculous. Read what I said.
Neither of these two candidates have any real MLB managing experience. Sure, Quade has been around in the minors longer. I personally value the experience of being a team leader, HOFer, lifelong Cub, etc. over the extra MiLB service that Quade has put in.
I am not saying I dislike Quade, had Sandberg not been in the equation I would be happy with this decision, but, as it is, I am pissed.
Eamus Ursuli!
i get what you are feeling
and I get what you are saying, but when you stack them up … Quade has everything that Ryno offered, and more (a bit more new school, a lot more experience, a bit better of an in-game manager, and so forth), with the only difference, on the plus side for Ryno, being Sandberg’s popularity/name-recognition. I know you aren’t trying to make it out to be this way, but you make it sound like Quade’s MiLB experience is the only advantage he has, and I tend to think that he had significantly more advantages over ryno than that.
this isn’t to say Ryno was a bad candidate. I think he was a solid candidate. When you factor in the shape the organization is in, along with the fact that a mini-rebuild of some sort is in order at the very least, I just didn’t think Ryno was the right candidate for this club right now.
Color me skeptical
I am not sure that I buy the “in-game manager” bit. This seems like an awful lot of hearsay.
As for the new-school/old-school debate I suppose we will see, but again, what evidence is there that Quade is particularly “new school”? Sure, there was a Bruce Miles interview where he said the right things (i.e. made sure not to offend the new school types or his old school type bosses). What’s more, he is being painted as a Hendry/Bush buddy, so it would actually be somewhat of a surprise if he was really all that new-school.
Does anyone know if he was interviewed for a managerial gig in Oakland when Macha was hired? If he is so new school and experienced, doesn’t it seem like the A’s would have at least given him an interview?
Eamus Ursuli!
Well you did mention
" a Cub legend versus a career minor leaguer". What is the point in mentioning that if you didn’t think it should play a part?
But in any case, you were not in the interviews. Quade may have made a stronger case. You are looking from the outside and assuming comparable candidates. Maybe there were issues with Sandberg such that the organization wasn’t comfortable with him or didn’t think 4 years was enough experience.
I understand fans of Sandberg being disappointed but I don’t get the anger or the comments that he was a better choice. There is nothing that indicates that.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
It does play a part
Of course it plays a part, but, that isn’t the only part. This is NOT hiring Ted Williams to manage the Senators eons ago. This is about hiring someone who is both a successful MiLB manager AND a team legend/HOFer etc. That combination, to me, was pretty attractive.
Eamus Ursuli!
Right on "Q"
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
listening to that site makes your brain rot.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
That's why I like it so much :D
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
lol...
wonner how long it will take for Al to start an overflow thread…this thing is really lagging now.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
The hurricane appears to have passed
We may just be in the eye, though. Wait ’til the presser.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I'm just avoiding the shocker at the moment...and no it isn't working any better now for me.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Also from the Heckler
Girardi saddened by missed Cubs opportunity, will have to continue being a winner instead
Look into my eyes!
That must have taken 5 seconds to pound out on their keyboard.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
You need a new life-support system for it
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Abby approves
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
ask Cubbie Tim.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
WHAT? 9000?
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Back to the fringe.
Theory: Quade got this job in part because of his relative lack of name recognition. He will be able to fly under the radar more than the other guys — which will help considering he also seems to have a thick skin and baseball smarts. I also bet Girardi was never a real option.
Sandberg probably needed to score big in interviews to land that job, and to negate Quade’s pluses. He apparently didn’t do that. I feel bad for the guy, but I understand this move — and I agree with it.
i've made that case for awhile
that low key Quade was probably a better move than Sandberg, who would’ve brought name recognition … and pressure, at a time when the org is iin a difficult stage.
I do feel bad for Ryno.
He probably didn’t do anything wrong — he just didn’t do enough to supplant Quade.
Prediction:
After this decision by the Cubs, I predict the Pirates will return to the playoffs before the Cubs win another WS.
Funny! I predicted the exact same thing to a Pirates fan friend during the season!
But I think it’s an easy prediction.
One of Lee Elia's 15%
by waiting4cubs on Oct 19, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
coming true
As I said earlier on another post, I fear the Cubs are hiring Q as an extended interim manager, hoping in 2 years, Joe Girardi will be available.
And how would this be different with Sandberg as manager?
Toonster has been asking and no one has any reason for preferring Sandberg over Quade other than he is a CUBS HOF’er who was a boyhood idol to many here.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
I'll tell you
The HOF is great on a resume, but Ryno has lived and breathed Cubbie Blue for years. He put his trust in this organization. He did what they asked. We talk about “sample size” examples on BCB, Q managed for a very little time. Ryno knows these kids coming up through the organization. He has coached them the last few seasons. Yes, you can say, Q was in the organization for a long time too. But, he didn’t play. To me, that is the difference. Being a player, going out there everyday, living the grind. A coach just coaches, a player plays the game.
I don't understand any of that
The ability to play the game indicates nothing in regard to being a good manager.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
I believe that is the missing part in the Cubs puzzle
someone who understands what it takes to play for the CUBS
Shoulda promoted Bobby Dernier
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
That's already been discussed ad infinitum.
So I’ll just say sometimes it helps and many times it’s not important. something to consider but not the final word in a decision.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
We have been through that discussion before
I’ll just say that Terry Francona who had no experience playing in Boston won 2 World Series there. Cubs experience means nothing to me. A quality team and organization that is always in contention will overcome any weird influences at Wrigley.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
I'm not taking about playing in/for Boston
I’’m talking about playing for the Chicago Cubs. The team that hasn’t won jack sh** for 103 years. The team referred to as the “Lovable Losers”. It’s time to CHANGE the attitude of this team.
The name of this blog is BLEED CUBBIE BLUE——————-the exact description of Ryno
Boston was in a very similar situation before Francona brought WS wins.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
And before 2004
…it can be argued the BoSox were just as bad off as the Cubs.
Just win the next game...!
From their perspective, I'm not
from ours, perhaps.
I say this because I have colleagues who are beantown team fanatics; to the level I’m here with the Cubs and ‘Hawks. Before 2004, we agreed to disagree about which team’s fan base is more beatendown.
Just win the next game...!
2003 Sox vs. 2010 Cubs
I think this is the disjointed part. I would agree that in November 2003 the Cubs and Sox were in a pretty similar state. That said, the 2003 Sox vs. 2010 Cubs are completely different cases on the frustration/dashed hopes/optimistic spectrum.
Eamus Ursuli!
No, they weren't.
The Red Sox made the ALCS in 2003. Even if they suffered a crushing loss, they were in better shape personnel wise than the Cubs are in now.
Umm...
I think we are agreeing.
Eamus Ursuli!
But completely different cases
The Red Sox are different from the Cubs.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
Free BLou
If anyone heard Ryne's interview on Waddle & Silvy
He sounded pissed.
I don’t think we will be seeing this guy in a Cubs uniform ever again.
I read parts of it. He sounded disappointed (in print) and ready to look elsewhere.
“I spent the four years in the minor leagues to manage at the major league level, and that’s where my heart is and that’s what my next step is. That’s where I look next. So I’ll take it a step at a time and see if there’s another opportunity out there and go from there. "
quoted here.
One of Lee Elia's 15%
by waiting4cubs on Oct 19, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
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One of Lee Elia's 15%
by waiting4cubs on Oct 19, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
(no need for ! when pasting links, just pics)
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
But the red X looks so cool!
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
And that's really too bad
he feels that way. I’m sorry Ryno, but “I spent the four years in the minor leagues to manage at the major league level”…so freakin’ what. Managing at the minor league level doesn’t mean you get vaulted up to the big club automatically. This comment makes him seem very selfish and bitter for not getting what he wants.
Fine, he’s frustrated, I get it. But he seems to think this job was automatically his simply because he managed in the Cubs’ minor league system, and he should know, that guarantees nothing. It’s too bad.
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
Agree 100%
The people that say Ryno was owed this job because of his 4 years in the minor leagues haven’t lived in the real world very long.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
That is the real world
If he gets a better opportunity then he should pursue it.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
Mr. Quade:
Congratulations! Looking forward to seeing what you can do with a full season at the helm.
Mr. Sandberg: Thank you for all your years of service to the Chicago Cubs. If this is where we part ways, let’s make it ‘so long’, rather than goodbye.
There are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. Who says baseball isn't a religion?
Yes to everything said here.
I don’t see the Cubs ever cutting ties to him and hopefully after the dust settles Ryno will realize it was a business decision rather than a personal one and eventually come back into the fold.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Ricketts will go down in Cubs lore..
…as the man who got rid of Ryno.
I always thought the Cubs resurgence was more about Pinella leaving than anything that Cueball did.
I also think that Quade was popular among the players because he was their manager. Players rarely if ever do anything but show support for whoever is on the team or heading up the team.
Quade’s got to reach out to Ryno and offer him the job of bench coach. The team will be getting a lot younger in hte future and Ryno’s the only guy who knows ’em all.
by fossilhippie on Oct 19, 2010 2:37 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
what the....I don't even.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 19, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
So ...
You have to know players to be able to coach them? Beyond that, the Cubs have a lot of coaches in the minors. Should Dennis Lewallyn get a spot? Should we give a spot to Bill Dancy? The AA players this year would likely swear by him.
Knowing the players isn’t that important. In fact, one would argue that it COULD lend to a level of bias.
I doubt Quade offers Ryno the bench coach job. Not impossible, but Ryno has no experience in the bigs. Your bench coach should have some experience in the bigs.
Q2 knows them too
He’s been in the Cubs organization for years.
As for Ricketts, if he get the Cubs the title we’ve all been itching for, no one will give a rats’ ass about Ryno not getting the job today.
Just win the next game...!
But Ryno could have gotten it *better*
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Amazing move by Hendry and Tom Wrigley!
The year before a September audition brought us Caridad and Berg as set up men and this year its Quade as manager!
Sandberg was told to cut his teeth in the minors. He did this and the job opened up and what happened?
Tom Wrigley went the cheap route as usual. I hope all Cub fans can see this as a signal for what is coming…..
AMAZING!
by TJ11 on Oct 19, 2010 2:40 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Amazing observations!
A September callup and 19 innings by a relief pitcher is exactly the same thing as a guy managing 40 games! You are SO clever and cute TJ!
The best is yet to come TJ!
Let’s just hope they can snag Koyie Hill for 5/25 and a NTC
We're heading for some bleak times
so who cares, this team is going nowhere fast….onward mediocrity
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
+1
not on the onward mediocrity thats just sad.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
I see no escaping it
theyre still overloaded with horrible contracts and have no genuine impact players in the minors and Ricketts has already stated he’s decreasing the payroll…so why not have a life long bench coach manage for two years before he gets fired?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
If only it were football
…..and you could just cut people.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
maybe, but that would take one hell of a lockout
to get rid of guaranteed contracts
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
And the question remains
how would that change if Sandberg was named manager today?
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
If all things are equal
take the guy who excites people, whos won there as a player. The team will suck for the next, god nows how many years, so why not take Ryno….whats Quade done to justify anything anymore than Sandberg?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Obviously you know it wouldnt change much
…its more of the less popular girl won homecoming queen.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
Because, apparently
Sandberg would wave his magical “I coached all these young guys in the minors” wand, and the Cubs would transform into a contender.
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
better than the
“Im a career third base coach wand”
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Well, they played fiarly well under Quade to end the year
I have no idea if will pan out to a full season, but we can Quade will be the man to finally get the job done.
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*we can hope
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This is a great sign, and I hate it.
I wanted Ryno. Who doesnt love Ryno? He is a Cubs legend who went down to the minor leagues to prove himself as a coach. Last year he won coach of the year honors in his AAA league. Now the big league team is ready to fill the top coaching slot. The story should be the legend gets the gig and leads the team to the first championship in … well however long it ends up taking.
Instead, the new owners decide to go with another guy. Doesnt even really matter much who. Just another guy. This blows. I hate it. I want Ryno.
But you know what? This is a great sign. The new owners know all this. They know what the fans want. They know the fairy tale that we all hope will unfold. It would have been the easiest thing in the world to pick Ryno. Sure, make a show of looking at other candidates, but really evaluate? C’mon. Great publicity. Excited fans. Merchandise would fly off the shelves. Tickets would be worth their weight in gold. Great press. ESPN would be interviewing you all off season about what a great story this is. Cmon! No brainer. How could they turn it down?
You know how? They took a calm, cool, level headed, non-fanboy look at the candidates. A HOF player with 4 years of minor league coaching experience, culminating in a coach of the year award. Very nice. But not as nice as a minor league player who coached 17 years in the minors, Two time coach of the year. Five years of major league experience, including with the current team. Second time as a candidate for the job. And given the opportunity, went 24-13 with a losing team shedding its star players. Oh, and the current players love him. They speak up for him.
From a baseball perspective, this is the right decision. From a business point of view, Ryno would have been the obvious choice. From a wins point of view? Who knows?
But you know what? It makes me hopeful for the new Cubs owners. Baseball over business. Statistically sound decisions, instead of emotionally driven ones.
A great sign.
But i hate it.
Ball 4!
by californiachicagoan on Oct 19, 2010 2:44 PM CDT reply actions 10 recs
I don't see it
Sure, they didn’t make a purely emotional decision. But, my fear is that they became so afraid of making an emotional decision that they made a bad baseball decision.
Eamus Ursuli!
what was the baseball argument for Sandberg over Quade
that goes beyond the fact that he was a player here, he’s popular here, and he has name attraction here (none of which really is a baseball argument).
I keep asking this, but no one’s given me an answer yet, unless I missed a post. The baseball reasons are why I think Quade was a far better candidate than Sandberg, no knock on Sandberg, and I’d like to hear someone argue why Sandberg, for baseball reasons, was a better candidate. I just don’t see it.
by toonsterwu on Oct 19, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
2 parts
I certainly acknowledge that I can’t say with any certainty who was the better baseball decision. But that said, here are my $0.02
1) Sandberg has been developing players in this system and he seems to be doing a pretty good job of it.
2) He is a highly respected “did it the right way” HOFer. Yes, this is a baseball argument. A manager is first and foremost a leader, and this is key to that.
3) As a team legend, Sandberg has the the higher potential to live through a rough couple years and possibly a change in GM level leadership. One problem, in my mind, with managerial carousels is that they foster a lack of long term team chemistry/philosophy development. If the manager is as transient as the players there is a problem. Sandberg has a far better chance of transcending that than Quade.
I will acknowledge that these may not be the strongest arguments, but then, I don’t find the arguments for Quade to be all that compelling either.
Eamus Ursuli!
counter
1. Quade is thought of being as good a fundamentals coach. He did a very fine job developing young talent in the minors. It isn’t really a notch for Sandberg. If you want to call it a draw, fair enough.
2. If HOF status is the only way to measure leadership, then okay. No one, though, has challenged Quade’s credentials as a teacher. Everyone has acknowledged his great work ethic, his ability to maintain discipline while building rapport. I don’t see an advantage for Sandberg here either.
3. Fair enough, but I’d counter that Sandberg has an equal chance of leading the club down a dangerous path where they go all-out to try and protect his legacy to make sure that he doesn’t have horrible teams, which in the process, may risk the building that the organization has done.
37 meaningless games
is hardly justification, they were playing for nothing, with no pressure and no expectations….this move will lead them nowhere fast, you might as well have gone for the exciting move with Ryno, how is Quade any better?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
22 vs 4
How about 22 years? Is that enough? Or is 4 years just the perfect amount?
Ball 4!
by californiachicagoan on Oct 19, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
22 years of what?
toiling in the minors, if he’s so good, why wasnt he given a chance before? Ryno won manager of the year in only 4 years, if thats not promise, than what is? This team isnt going to do anything, so you might as well let a young mgr take a crack at and infuse something new…quade has been here just as long as Lou, so how long before they tune him out?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
you do realize that
Quade won manager of the year a few times, the first in … uh, 1991. Getting the manager’s job requires the right situation and opportunity. As O_O said above, he was considered a hot prospect once.
Really, Sandberg’s name rising up so fast, despite the fact that scouts have critiqued his in-game managerial capabilities speaks more to the favor Hendry and Co. did for him by pushing him up this past. Often times, a good manager will have to go through several cycles in the minors before moving up. They fast-tracked him and did him a huge favor in that regards.
bleh i hate my own typos
that was supposed to be pushing him up this fast.
Exactly.
Sandberg being pushed up to a hot prospect this fast was definitely helped by his HOF playing career.
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
So, he got the job done didnt he?
You all know this Quade thing is going to be a disaster and fan morale has got to be at its lowest point in the past 15-20 years…so why not give Ryno a chance? b/c of some meaningless 37 game fill-in stint?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
“You all know this Quade thing is going to be a disaster…” Ah, yes, the surefire prediction. And, of course, Sandberg wouldn’t be a disaster? How do you know that? You don’t. None of us do. Why must we always chose the sentimental favorite?
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
For me
The question isn’t why not give ryno a chance. The question is, why give Ryno a chance. I’d prefer my team to hire who they consider to be the better candidate, and in this case, that meshed with my idea on who the better candidate was. Even if you presume the cubs will struggle in the next 2 years, certainly possible, I’d still like the best possible manager to work with the youngsters that are likely going to come up.
So … why give Ryno the chance, then?
Yes he should and did.
I would just say we don’t know yet if that was justified in doing so…and with the team being mediocre we may not know even next year.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
hmmpf...we will see.
Let Q manage a season with a mediocre team when it means something before you proclaim this being bad , good or indifferent. I’d be a lot more confident in management being level headed if they hadn’t stuck with the status quo Hendry for next season. If they are making a search during the off season I’ll be more impressed Ricketts has a sound philosophy in this.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
No matter who was hired ...
we wouldn’t be able to rate the move until after the season, if then — barring an absolute disaster. So unless Quade becomes the MB or Aaron Miles of managers … we won’t reach a consensus. Hell, some people still defend the Bradley signing!
Jim Hendry doesn't post here
Does he?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
That would be awesome...an awesome filled train wreck.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
That's the nature of a mediocre team with headcases and a blog site.
You’ll never get a consensus here on anything. And truly, since I doubt the team does anything more than tease at times next year, I don’t see us knowing if Quade or Sandberg would be any better.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Well said.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
Turn it green!
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Good lord.
Where’s Not Bruce? He’s being vindicated.
He going to wait until ST.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 19, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he is probably too drunk to respond for a few days.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 19, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Celebrating like a drunken sailor.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 19, 2010 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I would bet you're right....
He didn’t get Cora as he wanted but he’s gotta be celebrating.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't "want" Cora, SET
I said that’s someone they might want to talk to.
IIRC, he was considered for the Mariners’ job.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 21, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Anyone wanna summarize
For those of us who don’t get CSN?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Ricketts: Quade "certainly knows what it is to be a Cub."
Also “committed in the long run.”
It's on the score and espn radio chicago...
both streams are online
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
"My favorite food is Macaroni and Cheese, from the blue box." Geovany Soto
Fine
Anyone wanna summarize for those of us whose GFs are in a pissy mood already and don’t need to hear more about the stupid Cubs?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I didn't know where to find a stream
And she really is in a pissy mood
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I'll read the summary...but it's all lip service right now until the team improves.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
You need a new g/f...
Criteria list:
#1: Cubs’ fan
#2: Cooks like mom
There is no #3.
Say it ain't so, Joe!!!
She doesn't care about baseball all that much
I’ve been slowly converting her to Cub fandom, but I doubt she’ll ever get past the “liking the colors and logo” phase.
As for the cooking, I do that, and I’m better at it than my mom. Or hers for that matter.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Score link
http://player.radio.com/player/RadioPlayer.php?version=1.1.9205&station=391
User..name..in..tatters
by TheRamZamDLEE on Oct 19, 2010 3:05 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Can't listen... International blacked out?
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Anyone else getting funny sound from the score stream?
I wish they’d stop
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
"My favorite food is Macaroni and Cheese, from the blue box." Geovany Soto
Sounds like Ricketts deferred to Hendry in the final choice.
Let the Hendry bashing begin!
video stream
http://video.chicago.cbslocal.com/global/video/flash/popupplayer.asp?vt1=l&d1=0&ClipId1=mms%3A//a223.l10239838222.c102398.n.lm.akamaistream.net/D/223/102398/v0001/reflector%3A38222chicago&LiveURI=mms%3A//a223.l10239838222.c102398.n.lm.akamaistream.net/D/223/102398/v0001/reflector%3A38222chicago&h1=Live%20Event&at1=News&LiveURITitle=Live%20Event&LaunchPageAdTag=News&fvCatNo=undefined&secure=undefined&akPort=undefined&akProfile=undefined&rnd=42977515
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
"My favorite food is Macaroni and Cheese, from the blue box." Geovany Soto
Thx
The “comedy” on the radio feed wasn’t working for me
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Is that "comedy" stuff bleeding over from another frequency?
Or is the Score intentionally doing this?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I have no idea if it's The Score
Or the guys rebroadcasting it, but it sucks
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
It's The Score
they always include the funny sound bites in their press conference broadcasts. Morons
"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"
I'm kinda glad that the only sports radio I can get over the air is ESPN Radio
Sure, some of the shows stink, but at least they don’t pull crap like that.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I like it and I hope this cake is not a lie.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Portal reference?
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Watching that presser was awesome
Talk about the three stooges up there. Hey, Q’s taking Rickett’s fishing so all is good. And really comforting to know that Hendry made the decision.
Please explain to me how Ricketts could be off to a worse start?
by paulucla on Oct 19, 2010 3:41 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
The Ricketts family needs to hire some baseball types AND some PR types, stat.
They are starting to look like they don’t know what they are doing.
MLBMilestone.com - following the numbers to Cooperstown
It's a matched set with the players on the roster.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 19, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
until they change with the GM it matters not.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
If he hired Ryno just because Ryno was his hero and some fans want him
that would’ve been worse. Quade is far more qualified. Ryno won no championships and blew the title for Iowa in the last weekend of their season.
"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"
When are you getting banned?
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
"My favorite food is Macaroni and Cheese, from the blue box." Geovany Soto
Banned for thinking
the presser was a joke? Are you telling me you were impressed?
I was kidding....
Anyway, it was ok. Quade was only just named the manager a couple of hours ago.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
"My favorite food is Macaroni and Cheese, from the blue box." Geovany Soto
All I'd like to know is
1. Was Greg Maddux consulted?
2. Did Hendry/Ricketts follow his advice?
Sadly, we’ll probably never know.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
Hendry said he got input
from Maddux about players who played for certain guys or something like that.
I am sure he had imput
Ricketts & Hendry both love the guy. We will never know what the advice was as none of them will ever say.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 19, 2010 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't get all the hate...
If the Cubs had named Bonnie WeeWee as new manager, I might not be happy but, by god, he would now be the guy to support and root for.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
My name is Bonnie WeeWee...
My Bonnie lies over the ocean
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
"My favorite food is Macaroni and Cheese, from the blue box." Geovany Soto
From here, Chicago does lie over the ocean....
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Just walk over it
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
"My favorite food is Macaroni and Cheese, from the blue box." Geovany Soto
Too bad Lilly signed with the Dodgers
Cubs could’ve signed Lilly as a pitcher/manager/pitching coach
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
"My favorite food is Macaroni and Cheese, from the blue box." Geovany Soto
"They picked someone other than the guy I liked!"
While you and I know exactly what impact our opinion has on the club (close to none), others still feel as though their opinion on the state of things is very, very important to people who don’t know them. And if you think this is bad, wait ’til the first time Quade starts Hill over Soto without Geo having played 15 days in a row first. DOOM!
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
But still just because I love/like/dislike/abhor Mike Quade does not justify some of the "hate" expressed here.
It’s not like they hired Joe the Plumber as manager.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
For some, it may as well be
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Or hiring Barack Obama to balance the books for the Cubs
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
by CubFanSince1970 on Oct 19, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Not my cup of tea...
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
I have no problem with
Quade getting the job. I wish him the best of luck next season.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
Good for Quade, but this decision doesn't make a damn bit of difference.
The Cubs are doomed until they get a competent general manager.
by dakoose on Oct 19, 2010 4:11 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Or until we start liking goats
At least that’s what curse proponents say.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
Free BLou
Gyros for all!
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Depends on who's cooking
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
can you smell what the Rock has cooking?
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
In Greece pork and in Turkey it's called Döner and is made of lamb or chicken or even turkey.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
I only know one place in town that might *possibly* carry goat meat
And I’m minus the spit setup to do it. Otherwise, sure – why not?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Plenty of places for that
The local yuppie supermarket chain has a pretty decent cheese selection, and the yuppiest of the bunch has an excellent variety.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Stop it - you are making me hungry!
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Probably shouldn't tell you what I'm making for dinner, then...
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Sautéed Yuppies?
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Yes to both.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Quade earned the job
I think Ryno will be bac in a few years. If he leaves the team and manages elsewhere, i will be very angry.
I think I'd be more annoyed if he led a different team to the World Series
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
Free BLou
True.
But I doubt there’s any chance Q or Sandberg could do that the next few years so …I just hope he takes the best opportunity for himself.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 19, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Tried to get through
1,000 or so comments.
I was a Sandberg guy, however Quade getting hired will not lead me to the bridge.
I have more beef with Hendry in this process. Don’t tell a guy to get experience, and then he does and does well. Then hire a guy because he was successful for 37 games. Sure Quade has a long minor league career, great. But Ryno did every thing he was told to do, and now, he is gone to another organization. I can’t imagine him coming back to this team.
Ricketts better hope that Sandberg does not lock onto another team and do well.
by Grockcubs on Oct 19, 2010 4:37 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Quade
was in line with the organization b4 Sandberg as a manager. Get experience. Great job, thanks. You’re next up. Now Quade will live or die with Hendry’s decisions the next 2 seasons and Ryno won’t have to.
by SouthWabashSoul on Oct 19, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
The only point I'd make is that
I think to suggest that Quade got hired based off his 37 games is rather unfair. It might’ve been the tipping point, but Quade had all of Sandberg’s credentials/notches/whatever you want to call it … and more. He was better qualified, had more experience.
by toonsterwu on Oct 19, 2010 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Probably it's a good thing
for Sandberg although I’m sure he ‘s not seeing it that way right now. The ’11 team aint no contender and until Hendry’s “gut feelings” get paid off and are gone there can’t be alot of talk about starting anew. So Hendry may have done Sandberg a favor without being that smart. Probably also cost “cubbiedom” their favorite son in the “process” though and good ol’ boy Tom signed off on it . Can’t imagine Ryne wasn’t led to believe that jumping through the organizations / Hendry’s hoops was his ticket to Lou’s empty office. Way to go " bungalo jim"…Ricketts owns the key’s to the place so-o-o-o, I’m thinking this is “somebody’s Waterloo”, you’ve succeeded at alienating a pretty good chunk of the fan base with your gut feelings, Ryno’s success elsewhere will only solidify your incompetence…you been hanging out with Angelo?
"most football players are temperamental, thats 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental" Doug Plank
by fin4bears on Oct 19, 2010 4:55 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Um....how about
"We have a solid foundation of young players, with a few additions, I believe I can win." "Before I can claim victory, we need a 1st baseman." " We will sit down and look at the budget, but Cliff Lee would make a nice addition."
no way
as in, we don’t need a 1st baseman
as in, we have no shot at Lee
as in, Quade won’t be looking at the budget……………again, maybe lip service, but Quade said on CTL, he would be looking at the budget with Hendry and TR to see where they can improve the roster.
Good Lord!!!!!!!
Yes I said it Good Lord.
by bloozeman401 on Oct 19, 2010 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
They played like a couple of son of a guns!!!!!!!!!
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
"My favorite food is Macaroni and Cheese, from the blue box." Geovany Soto
Um....how about
“We have a solid foundation of young players, with a few additions, I believe I can win.” “Before I can claim victory, we need a 1st baseman.” " We will sit down and look at the budget, but Cliff Lee would make a nice addition."
Eeeeenteresting
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Great song... great album
not so great sense of humor. oh well…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Nice...real nice.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
Gosh. Sorry.
I was only kidding. Thought the little smiley made that obvious. Really didn’t mean to upset you.
Look into my eyes!
Do not back down!!!!!!!
Look don’t back down. people on this site act as though there opinion is the only one that matters. NOT TRUE. everyone is entitled to their own.
by bloozeman401 on Oct 19, 2010 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Just so we are clear.
I was only jokingly “good lording” his/her missing the reply button, not any of his/her opinions.
Look into my eyes!
I apologize
I missed the smiley face in your comment. elgato set me off and I took your comment as a mock. I am truly sorry, Katie.
I should have vented my frustration for BCB elsewhere.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!! The question is who are you?
Are you the angry guy?
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
"My favorite food is Macaroni and Cheese, from the blue box." Geovany Soto
Ryno, is a cry baby!!!!!!!
I have come to the conclusion. Ryno is a cry baby. Quade has spent 17 years in the minors. Ryno has spent 4. do the math? do you really want a guy like Ryne Sandberg managing your team. don’t let the door hit you where the good Lord split you.
Cry baby huh
I guess his 15 years of playing had nothing to do with his experience? He was told to get experience he did and did well. He loves the city and loves the Cubs. He has all the right in the world to be pissed.
Cry baby, right.
More MLB at manager experience needed!!!!!!!
That is all he needs
by bloozeman401 on Oct 19, 2010 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
No!!!!!!!
His 15 years of playing experience has nothing to do with Managerial experience. Like I said earlier, think with your mind and not your heart.
by bloozeman401 on Oct 19, 2010 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I am
I didn’t realize you did medical exams.
You have your opinion I have mine. However to call a grown man a cry baby, is over the top.
I do.
Look if I were making Sandberg type money? I sure would not gripe.
by bloozeman401 on Oct 19, 2010 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I am disappointed
Quade was my 3rd choice, behind JG and Ryne. I don’t think it will make ahuge difference in the short term, iI was hoping that one of the other 2 would have been good long term solutions. I felt like this situation mirrored the Dodgers choice when deciding between Bill Russell and Scioscia. Hope it doesnt end up the same…
I can throw a couple of more anigifs at it
And put it out of its misery, if you want
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Or you can hit up the new Q thread
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
If Quade wasn't hired I would have always wondered if we missed out on something
Now he’ll get the chance and I think he deserves it. I was so refreshing after Lou left to hear somebody interviewed who actually provided some answers to questions
if quade
had gone 13-24 then sandberg would have gotten the job. but mike did such a great job of getting a team that had given up to play like pennant contenders that basically won him the job. now do right by sandberg and give him a coaching job.
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