Joe Girardi Has 'No Feel For His Players'
For the Girardi backers, here's a piece by the Bergen Record's Bob Klapisch ripping Girardi for his in-game managing decisions during the ALCS.
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Your point is taken.
But we seem to have plenty to talk about.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
We do because the Cubs hired a new manager....otherwise it would be pretty boring around here.
Someone should have asked Wrigley at the press conference, “if this does not work is that it for Hendry”…….Or “how long does someone get to keep their job while spending the most money on a team that does not win.” But the beat writers her are pretty much gutless.
Here's the thing with questions like that.
Reporters know what kind of questions will actually yield answers. If Ricketts had been asked that, he wouldn’t have said anything interesting. He would have said how he has “full confidence” in Jim Hendry and how the managerial selection process was great, blah, blah, blah.
You’re essentially hoping that the beat writers will “challenge” Ricketts, and I agree that Cubs beat writers sometimes don’t show enough guts when asking questions. This was particularly true when some reporters didn’t question Lou about obvious managerial gaffes.
But Ricketts wouldn’t have said that Hendry is “on notice” or that “his job is on the line.” That’s just not how public figures — with the exception of somebody like Joe Biden — operates in 2010.
by elgato on Oct 20, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
me too.
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But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
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You're welcome :)
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
TWSR?
Thats What She Recs?
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I'm Joe Biden you jerks!
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"They played like son of a guns......lord have mercy." Mike Quade
Really? we need politics into this?
How about Palin spouting BS…I don’t get this aspect here. I surely agree with what you say about Ricketts keeping his mouth shut. He should be looking for other GMs at the very least so he has someone in mind for the future and can track whether they are available. Quade has much less meaning to me than keeping Hendry in place misallocating all that money and resources.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 22, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Agree
There isn’t a good outcome out of a question like that for a reporter-unless they want their name in the paper, however the public person answers, the reporter comes off like a dick. Think that question the independent reporter asked Jim Calhoun at that press conference a couple years ago.
Real-life isn’t a message board or a talk-show. There are certain rules of decorum that people in the real world follow. Asking rude questions is one of them.
by JSB on Oct 20, 2010 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
"Asked in another manner"
Then it is a different question. So instead of
"how long does someone get to keep their job while spending the most money on a team that does not win.
You ask something along the lines of “Is there added pressure on management given the high payroll and the lack of success last season?”
When asking questions at a press conference, tone matters.
Al? tsk, tsk, tsk...
Are you trying to justify NOT waiting for Girardi already in case Quade stumbles? I’ve been reading some of the NY bloggers, and listening to whatever radio feeds I can pick up, and if Girardi doesn’t win this ALCS, this may not turn out too well for Girardi. If that’s the case, then the next time you get an invite to a press conference, by all means, invite me, cuz, I’ve got a question.
Zack Greinke...Opening day starter for YOUR 2011 Chicago Cubs.
Sure.
But given what you’ve seen about Girardi here, if the Yankees DON’T want him, why would the Cubs?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Oct 20, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is written during the process of the Yankees being eliminated from the playoffs...
..by a writer who appears to like using the “let’s pile on” format.
It was just a short time ago, Al, that you AND I and practically every BCBer used that same angle on one Lou Piniella. It’s easier than blaming EACH player individually. The Yankees are OLD and that’s one of the reasons I thought it would have been wise to wait. It’s done, though, and we move on. I got Quade’s back…at least for now.
Zack Greinke...Opening day starter for YOUR 2011 Chicago Cubs.
Fair enough.
But the complaints about Girardi as a tactician haven’t started just during the ALCS.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I bet...
they weren’t saying it while the corks were poppin’ on the bubbly after last years WS. They probably were while the Yanks were losing the division to the Rays…then they stopped while they were sweeping the Twins and started up again this series. See where I’m going with this? Managing the NY Yankees, when winning, has got to be an awesome experience. Managing the NY Yankees when they DON’T win…not so much. They love you or they want you dead.
Here, they don’t expect to win, so, it’s not that “life and death”. That’s another reason why I think they shoulda waited. The Cubs job is serene compared to the Yankees job.
Zack Greinke...Opening day starter for YOUR 2011 Chicago Cubs.
I actually think Klapisch goes a tad far in the article
but the complaints about girardi’s managing has been noted for several years, but last year, he had a good enough roster to overcome it.
At the end of the day, the analysis of this series may come down to one thing – the Rangers were simply better. Now, maybe the Yankees stage a rally, but right now, offensively, pitching, pen, the Rangers have a more complete squad, so I do partly think Klapsich goes a bit far.
But make no mistake about it, folks have complained about Girardi’s in-game managing ability before, even last year.
Yeah and it's such a crap shoot to be able to tell if those decisions
hurt or help the team. Look at Manuel this year…his team has not seemed to benefit from his moves based on the feel of his players, but the same judgement was used that won him a WS before. So much of WS comes down to starters getting hot or cold, role players stepping up (like the Panda,etc) or stars tanking. Texiera hitting nothing was a huge loss before he got injured. I think when you see it come together at once like it did for the White Sox you think the manager has some magic…and it’s really so easy to say moves are right or wrong based on a small sample size and have no idea.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 22, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Isn't that the same logic used
four years ago? The Marlins ran a discredit campaign against him then and many here accepted their version of his unacceptability for the Cubs job. I hoped that Girardi would finally be judged on his merits, not a slanted column during a rough patch of the playoffs.
While I am very accepting of the Quade choice, there is no reason to discredit Joe. He has proven his worth ain two different cities. That’s why the Cubs should want him.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
a losing record
with the Marlins proves his worth? He may be a good manager but I definately dont think he is the super-manager that many make him out to be
You do realize that ENTIRE team got paid less than A-Rod did that year
And about 1/7th of the payroll of the Cubs last year. I’m sorry he wasn’t able to win a World Series given those restrictions, but I’d be more than happy to have even 20% of that $ to wins efficiency on the Cubs anytime soon.
I was waiting for this one
Seemed like every decision he made yesterday went wrong and most were by the book.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
except for
the decision to keep burnett in the game after he nearly botched the intentional walk – and if the Yankees do fail in this series shouldnt it be put on the manager? Seems that is what alot of people were doing with Lou in the 08’ series since the team fell flat.
I used to love Joe, but then I got to know him and now my heart was tossed to the side once the mask of puppy love was ripped from my face.
by hansman1982 on Oct 20, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
should have been CC anyway
with the game 5 starter determined by the outcome. Yanks win then I would throw in Burnett, Rangers win – well Huges and Pettite looks like you need to step up.
by hansman1982 on Oct 20, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Especially since ESPN doesn't televise any of the games!!!!
They actually get the #5 and #6 TV markets involved if that happens.
Which, considering they could have had #15 (Minneapolis) vs. #33 (Cincinnati), the networks should be grateful for.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I mean to say
They’re treated as separate entities. So I figured the TV market measurement thinger did too.
No, it doesn't.
The market is “Minneapolis-St. Paul”>
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
you mean thats why they are the Twin Cities?
i thought it was because they led the world in population of biological twins
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 22, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
In respect to the Yankees
and this is a tad OT but I was listening to Hurd(?) on ESPN radio this morning and he brought up a good point. For everyone who thinks that Lee WILL be a Yankee next year, how are you feeling now? The Yankees are in a similar boat as to the 09’ Cubs – on the backend slide of their run. Most of their key pieces are old and declining and as such it will take a bit for them to be shoe-ins next year.
The Rangers are young, have a new income stream and also benefit to having MUCH lower taxes in Texas. If it is a $100 million contract the Rangers could pay him $82 million and it be the same, when accounting for taxes. In effect it could easily cost the Yankees at least an additional $2-3 million OVER whatever the Rangers offer to land him.
Add onto that the fact that the Rangers are playing great ball right now and you get a chance to work for one of the greatest pitchers of all time.
Well, there are some key differences between where the Cubs were and where the Yankees are.
For one thing, the Yankees made the playoffs and still could come back against Texas. My guess is this series goes to seven games. As an organization, the Yankees also do two things better than the Cubs:
- they bring up guys like Jeter, Pettitte, Rivera, Posada and Cano, which allows them to always have a core of good homegrown talent. This is especially helpful when the guys are younger, because they can be cost-controlled filler around the big-money guys. the Yankees also spend better. True, Burnett’s been a bust. But Sabathia, Texeira, et. al have been good signings. The Cubs don’t have as good of a track record AND they don’t have the budget to absorb a bad signing (or four).
-
absolutely
the Yankess will contend for the playoffs next year and they are in a much better boat than the 2009 Cubs – more relating to their position on the up and down roller-coaster of contention…they are right at the top of the big hill and the first car is past the point of no return…now their ability to spend means that the downhill side will be much smaller than the Cubs (who are hopefully just hitting bottom and about to enter the swirly part before the next big hill)
My guess is that Cliff Lee stays in Texas...
… especially if they win today’s game. Getting into the WS for the first time should get them a ton of season ticket sales to go along with their huge new TV deal. That would get them enough money to retain Lee.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
One thing about that.
Lee and Sabathia are supposedly very close friends. That and the fact that the Yankees contend every year makes me wonder.
That's a point, true.
CC and Lee were teammates in Cleveland for a long time.
Still, if Texas makes the WS — and don’t forget, Lee’s family lives in easy driving distance of Dallas — I think he stays.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Texas also has no state tax
Not sure if NY does or not.
Anyhow, my complete guess at what it takes to keep Cliff in Arlington, 5 and 110.
NYC
has some of the highest taxes in America – I have heard 18% – that is ALOT of money on $100-125 million
Could be...
All I know is with the bankruptcy the team put all their eggs into the basket right now and I wonder if they have any real idea what will happen next year and beyond with the team and who they can sign, how many resources they will have. Surely a WS win would help a lot.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 22, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
The Rangers just got hundreds of millions of $ from FSN Southwest.
They’ll have plenty of resources to keep Lee.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Didn't know that. Good for them.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 22, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
It's hard for me to believe
the Rangers are willing to get into a bidding war for Lee. They have only 10,000 season ticket holders and a yearly payroll of $55M. Lee has announced this contract is his final chance to set his family up for life. Some have suggested he might cost $20M per year.
I’m happy for the Rangers but they aren’t a big market team/ they’ll always be 2nd to The Cowboys in the area. They even refused to pony up for $100M-$120M for a roof in a town that had 18 straight 100+ degree days this summer. I’d bet against them in the Lee sweepstakes.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
all your points are valid, but you are missing one important thing
that was the ownership of Hicks, which sold to a group headed by Nolan Ryan, so none of us are sure what he will do his first off season
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The current owners refused to place
a roof over the stadium and the economics are still the same. Their attendance this year was only 2.5M. There is only one way for the Rangers to get Lee. They’d have to hire Hendry.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
the current owners just bought the team
less than 6 months ago, and you expect them to have a roof on the stadium now? talk about crazy expectations
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FWIW
Aug 12, 2010 MLB approved the sale of the Rangers from Hicks to Nolan Ryan;s group. Before you say what the current group did or didnt do, might want to fact check
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Before you criticize me for ignorance
I’d suggest you know the facts.
Fact: The new owners of the Rangers met with architects about 2 different plans that would put a roof over their Stadium in Arlington. They chose not to pursue either plan.
Say uncle.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
you expected them to have it done in less than 60 days
AMAZING!
can you show me a link about that, this is the first i have heard of it
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Your reading comprehension must be very low
Stop twisting the facts. I never suggested they could have had it done quickly. If you have someone that understands the language read for you, I said they had decided not to put on a roof. Now you’re twisting those words to suggest I expected it could or would be done by now. That’s insulting to even the lowest of intellects.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
as i asked
can you show me a link where they looked into this and said no? it is the first i have heard of it (living in Texas)
maybe you should spend less time trying to insult people and actually address the question asked in the post you replied to.
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and by have it done
I would assume you understand that in construction typically it takes more than 60 days just to get all the bids in and go over all the legal contracts once a bid is approved. i happen to work for a construction company in here and know a little about how it works.
now about comprehension, i guess maybe i should have been more clear for you that i was saying it takes more than 60 days for the contract typically, but hey, why discuss it when you can get snarky instead, right?
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Here is a link
that apparently you couldn’t find.
And FYI there are very few firms that are capable of doing the retractable roofs. And, as a worker in construction I presume you know that specs are drawn and budget estimates made before bids are let.
It might also enlighten you to know that the previous owner, Hicks, turned down a roof so it was not difficult to dust it off when the new owners were preparing their bid for the Rangers.
BTW, I also live in Texas and have a BSCE. As for snarky, if you hadn’t been so arrogant, you wouldn’t have deserved it.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Link
http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2010/08/nolan_ryan_hints_at_some_chang.php
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
looks like they are still looking into something
saying no, I want my fans and players to roast and hey, we havent seen anything that is feasible are two totally different things.
Let's not forget
that the prez of the Rangers is Nolan Ryan. He’s a throwback type blue collar player who just dug in and made things happen. I believe his attitude may be influencing the decision about the roof and comfort for the fans and players. “Quit your whining and play ball”.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
how about this for any team
we give the new owner more than 60 days or 6 months or 1 year to begin making noticable impacts on the team, the stadium, the organization, etc…
again there is undoubtedly much more behind his decision than what is in that story. we have no idea what the plans were or how much it costs to install a retractable roof on an existing stadium. kinda hard to play ball regardless of the temperature when a huge chunck of your stadium is laying in a giant heap.
It could easily range from what you are saying to Nolan and the people around him are just wanting more time for engineering studies, new ideas, etc…
I never suggested
that the Rangers should immediately make major changes under the new ownership. However, the new owners have gone public with their rejection of a retractable roof.
FYI, I do know what the bids were for the construction. My numbers are correct.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Ask Milwaukee about how easy
retractable roofs are to make or to install in budget no matter what you sign to. It’s a very complicated thing to me…I may not be in construction but I have seen cities have trouble with money overruns or people dying making them like Milwaukee did.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 22, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
A good friend is involved
in the design of those roofs. The major problems usually occurred when public money was involved and politicians and insiders wanted their pieces of silver.
With the recession and construction down, now is the best time to negotiate for a roof project. Many contractors are taking jobs at cost just to keep key people on staff.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
I've certainly heard on the radio and the news
That this is the cheapest time to hire construction crews and get your best value. I have no doubt of that at all.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 22, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
doesnt mean you
should rush into any of these projects, especially not when you just spent hundreds of millions of other peoples dollars to buy the team
Has anyone suggested
the owners rush into anything?
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
but in two months Ryan and his ownership group should have had the stadium
rebuilt, signed an All Star team and won 3 WS, dont ya know?
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It seems you're the only one
marching to that beat. But I guess it’s easier than admitting you were wrong.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
forgive me for being at work and not posting while working.
some companies do block sports blogs you are aware, right and my comment you replied to is from last night, not 20 minutes ago.
as i said above, it was the first i had heard of it, and you did send a link which i was not aware of. that still does not change the fact that none of us truly know everything happening and why. your friend is involved, which does offer you additional insight, sure, but that does not mean he is aware of what the rangers management and owners are discussing long term. they just dropped a pretty penny to get the team, and are looking at having to spend to keep the competitive level high and keep Lee in a Rangers uniform, therefore putting it on the back burner now does not mean in 2 or 3 years they do it. saying no now does not mean its a no forever.
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Aren't you glad we didn't hire Girardi?
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I get so sick....
Of people blaming the manager. Everyone is on Giradi for not going back with CC on short rest. Even if he did, he was still gonna have to go with Burnett at some point. Damned if he did, damned if he didn’t. Guess it’s fault for A-Rod being absolutely terrible at the plate? 30 million dollars and he can’t hit the broad side of a barn!
I know what you're saying.
But this isn’t a new thing. Managers always get blamed first.
Hindsight managing is always easier.
So Girardi left Burnett in too long. If he’d taken him out and let the bullpen blow it, this guy probably would have written pretty much the same article.
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by BucknerKongCardenal on Oct 20, 2010 9:26 PM CDT reply actions
exactly, i been saying similar about sports writers doing that for years
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conventional wisdom says
if it appears the guy is struggling, and then you ibb a guy (and during that ibb he almost throws a ball away), you run out to the mound as fast as you can to pull him
I do think that he pulled the guy too early....
…even if it was for Mariano Rivera.
He definitely could have eaten that XXL Chalupa.
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Feel again?
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 22, 2010 11:06 AM CDT reply actions
Well...
…if what this guy says is true about Girardi, it just proves if you can win a WS with a crap manager, these guys just don’t have much impact on the outcome of games.
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by MPH73 on Oct 22, 2010 1:09 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
my sentiment is that
Girardi is no god-like manager that would suddenly make the Cubs contenders in 2011 but he is an above average manager with well above average talent…
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