Cubs Top 30 (tentative version)
Rankings:
I'm sure the McNutt ranking will be contraversial. I'm sure most will either have BJax or Archer #1 with McNutt coming 3rd. From my standpoint I see McNutts FB/SL grading out better then Archer's with both of their CU being roughly equal but McNutts improved command as the season wore on gives him the edge imo. 2 things to be noted McNutt had only 127 IP and 20 years old coming into AA this year and I feel he has more upside remaining then Archer.
With the overall rankings this is just a rough draft that I plan to re-post just before BA come sout with their top 10. So don't be overly concerned with exact placing but look more at the players on the list.
1. Trey McNutt RHP - Strong build (6'4 205) with a FB siting 92-98 and a hard slider with both pitches grading out as plus-plus. CU shows promise and command improved as the season wore on. Attacks hitters with a bulldog mentality. Has the stuff to be an ace with a conservative upside of a #2. Worse case senario he could close but I see no reason why he won't continue to start.
2. Brett Jackson CF - 5 tool talent. I've used Grady-lite comps but I'm not sure if he will ever post high BA. Strikes out to much but draws a ton of walks. After a 8/19 start upon his promotion to AA only hit .258 (209 ABS) the rest of the way. Very streaky hitter. Profiles more as a solid regular on a 1st divsion team then an A.S. Solid all around game that to me profiles more as a Mike Cameron type offensively. Won't be the defender Cameron is but get's good jumps with accurate arm that is plenty for CF.
3. Chris Archer RHP - Velocity saw a jump to go with his bat splintering SL. FB has average life and his SL ranges from average to plus. Fantastic season 15-2 2.34 9.4 K/9 between high A and AA. Saw a regression in command when promoted to AA going from 3.2 BB/9 in high A to 5.0 in AA. In high A he was attacking hitters and trusting his stuff then seemed to go back to nibbling to much. Get's ground balls and keeps the ball in the park. Upside of a good #2 but will be more of a 3/4 or bullpen arm unless he can take long term steps forward with his command.
4. Hak-Ju Lee SS - Had a nice season in his full season debut. Ranked as the 13th best prospect in a loaded Midwest League. Seems scouts expected more but I think it was pretty much everything you could have hoped for. I did a season in review post and here is the link:
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2010/9/11/1682197/season-in-review-hak-ju-lee
Hit .282, walked 8.9% of the time, and stole 32 bases (82% success rate) showing he has the skills to be a good lead off hitter. In my review I said he could end up moving Castro to 2B and it seems that might not be the case from what scouts said. Even if he moves to 2B he would combine with Castro for a good DP combo as well as a nice 1-2 hitter at the top of the line up. If he can just add a little power his offesive ceiling could realy take off.
5. Josh Vitters 3B - Stock has been on the decline since being drafted. Has not been allowed to play a full year at any level to date. Has struggled initially at each level but has come back to hit. PD was improving and was just starting to hit (.303 33 ABS) in AA when a hand injury sidelined him for the year. Just 21 it seems he's been around forever and was rushed to AA at 20. Needs to spend every minute of 2011 in AA and let's really get a chance to see what he can do.
6. Chris Carpenter RHP - Potential innings eating # 3/4 starter. Has good stuff 91-94 mph FB that can touch 97 with good life creating lot's of groundballs. Mid 80s slurve with bite and depth. Solid CU. Needs to work on command.
7. Jae-Hoon Ha OF - Had an excellent season in a stacked Midwest League. Did not make the league's top 20 according to BA but probably would have in another year. Posted an .802 OPS and his power started emerging as the season went on. Has good speed while posting .150 ISO and +18 wRC (or basically saying he was 18% better then the league average). Put's easy wood on the ball but 3.2% walk rate will need to improve as he advances. Overall I like the direction he's headed and if he can improve his ability to work counts could be a real good player.
8. Jay Jackson RHP - Stock down after a disapointing season that saw him give up a ton of HR. Nice 4 pitch mix but will need to improve his HR% to succeed at the ML level.
9. Rafael Dolis RHP - Elite stuff starting with a very heavy mid 90s FB that reportly can touch triple digits. 85-87 mph wipeout slider that is a 2nd plus pitch. CU is a work in progress. Considering he just started pitching in 2006 he put up a real promising season overall and held his own in AA with only 226 IP coming into the Southern League. Generates a ton of groundballs. With the hard stuff he offers you'd like to see a better then 6.6 K/9. Still learning to pitch and did post a better K/9 (7.3) after his promotion to AA. Needs to work on his control to reach his potential. Still questions about his ability to start long term but with his 2 hard pitchs could be a late inning reliever.
10. Robinson Lopez RHP - Key player aquired in the Derek Lee deal. Elite velocity siting 93-96 at times but poor command leaves this pitch just average but with potential. CB shows promise with hard 10-5 break that could be a swing and miss pitch if he can refine it and be more consistent. The CU shows real promise in bullpen sesions according to Mike Newman of socutingthesally.com. Could have 3 average to above average pitches if things come together but right now is just a lottery tickett. Newman in his thoughts on BA "Sally" top 20 said he would esily taken Lopez over Trevor May, Robbie Ross and even Arodys Vizcaino. It will be interesting to see what the Cubs can do with him considering the strides they made with Cashner and Archer.
11. Reggie Golden OF - Profiles as a prototypical RF with well above average power and arm. Has above average current speed but will probably lose some as his body matures but should still be average. Has serious PD issues. Needs to work on recognizing breaking stuff. I know this is a small sample size but 7 K's in 15 Abs in rookie ball shows he has a lot of work to do. Golden is the quintessential high risk high reward player.
12. Darwin Barney SS - 4 average tools that play up because of instincts and intelligence. I like him and should be a usefull untility player who has been a winner. Not flashy but does all the little things right.
13. Robinson Chirinos C - Had a Geo Soto-esque breakout season at 26. I'm still a little skeptical but always showed power/on base skills throughout his minor league career.
14. Austin Kirk LHP - Quality stuff for this lefty with a FB sitting 88-91 and touching 92 that explodes on hitters. Improving CB and advanced CU for a player his age. Get's GB and throws strikes. Maybe a breakout player in 2011.
15. D.J. LeMahieu IF - Had a ridiculous 2nd half of the season ending with a .314 AVG. Best pure hitter in the system. He grew on me this year. Profiles as a UTL player now but if he can start turning on some balls and grow into some power could be an offensive minded 2B. The big question with him is will he ever develop power from his 6'4 185 frame.
16. Junior Lake SS - Seemed to figure some things out this season. Walk rate jumped from 3.7% last year to 8.1% this year is very encouraging. Flashed the ability to hit for power. Has the best arm in the organization. Will eventually have to move off SS but has the arm and range to play 3B. AA should be telling in 2011 if this step forward was for real. If he can continue to improve could jump up this list.
17. Su-Min Jung RHP - This is a player I'm far more bullish on then anyone else. I love this kid's arm. FB sits in the low 90's but can reach back and get 95 to go with a power curve that could be above average. CU is a work in progress. Command is the key here. Had a 2 month stretch where he was pretty dominant untill a 1 inning 6 walk outing skewed his numbers. I have tabbed him a breakout candidate for 2011 and if he can harness his control he could really take off.
18. Brandon Guyer OF - Solid all around skills. Had an outstanding season in 2010 ranking as the 14th best prospect in the Southern League according to BA. Has stole 60 bases while being caught only 10 times over the past 2 years. Profiles more as a 4th OF type.
19. Hayden Simpson RHP - Considered a reach in the 1st round this year but has a nice 4 pitch arsenal that he commands well. Small stature maybe a poor mans Roy Oswalt. Wilken has shown a knack for finding unknown arms. Has yet to make debut.
20. Ryan Flaherty IF - I'm just not a believer in his bat. This is actually a little high imo and will probably be moving down. Has power but at 24 still hasn't shown he can hit AA pithcing. Has been old for every level.
21. Ben Wells RHP - 7th rounder that got an over slot 530K to sign. Velo jumped to 90-94 in the spring. Has a hard slider and splitter. Could be a steal and reminds me some of Wade Davis.
22. Chris Rusin LHP - Curveball specialist that put together a nice season that saw him rise to AA. FB sits in the 87-89 range and is considered "lively". CU is a work in progress. Gets GB and throws strikes. Probably profiles better as a lefty releiver then a long term starter.
23. Brooks Raley LHP - Athletic lefty who has little left in the way of projection. Classic tale of 2 seasons. 2-5 5.93 pre-A.S. 6-1 1.87 post A.S. What is the reality? Probably somewhere in between the 2 splits. Stuff is average and may end up in the bullpen.
24. Matt Szczur OF - 2010 5th rounder who is raw for a college player. After a nice debut returned to Vandy to play football which clouds his future. Has 80 speed and good on base skills. No power and fringy arm are his draw backs. Is a tireless worker who could make strides if he decides to focus on baseball.
25. Kim Jin-Yeong RHP - This ranking is purely based on scouting reports. Got 1.2m to sign and hasn't yet made it stateside yet. FB get's up to 92 with a CB, SL, and CU. Has above average control for a player his age.
26. Austin Reed RHP - Good debut from this 12th rounder who dropped that far because of signability issues. Inteligent pitcher who got Jon Garland comps. Has a nice 3 pitch mix. FB sits 88-91 that may get better as he matures. Ranked 11th on BA AZL top 20.
27. Matt Cerda 2B - Scrapy player who draws a ton of walks. Was playing 3B in the Midwest League because of Lee/Watkins but is really a 2B. Probably a role player at this point with his skills. Draws a ton of walks (68) but not much speed or power which limits his upside.
28. Casey Coleman RHP - Had a decent late season ML debut. Fringy FB, solid CB, and the best CU in the system combined with above average command. Profiles as a #5 or long reliever.
29. Logan Watkins 2B - Disapointing season that saw his AVG drop and Ks rise. Best tools are his plus speed and ability to draw walks. Could be a super UTL player. No current power clouds his future. Will look to rebound in high A next year.
30. Alberto Cabrera RHP - Intriguing arm that shows the potential for 3 average to above average pitches. Can hit 94 with the FB. Was putting together a great season in high A before being promoted to AA where he got rocked. Upon returning to high A he continued getting shelled. Solid preriphials with a 8.3 K/9 3.3 BB/9 7 HRA and 1.30 GO/AO that were skewed a bit by his late seaosn collapse. Just 22 and has promise.
BONUS:
**Daniel Sanchez SS - 16 year old, 6'2 170 Dominican SS, who signed for 500K. Has above average power and average tools the rest of the way. Should start next season in the DSL hopefully.
**Kyung-Min Na OF - Very similar player to Hak-Ju Lee. Recieved 725K last year out of Korea. At 18 probably should have played in rookie ball this year. Obviously over matched in SS-A ball. Like Lee he has no current power but has blazing speed and already offers ML caliber defense covering lot's of ground and sporting a great arm. Draws walks and is a great bunter. Probably needs to play in rookie ball in 2011 or worst case a 2nd go aorund in SS-A imho.
**Arismendy Alcantara SS - Very intriguing prospect who is a sleeper at this point. Put together a very solid season in SS-A ball as an 18 year old. Switch hitter who has some projection. Not real sure on his exact scouting report but I do like what I've seen so far. Probably ticketed to be Peoria's starting SS next year and hopefully I can watch him play next year.
Honarable Mention:
Wellington Castillio C, Dae-Eun Rhee RHP, Micah Gibbs C, Kyler Burke OF, Brett Wallach RHP, Pin Chieh Chen 2B, Aaron Kurcz RHP, Pierre La Page 2B, David Cales RHP, John Gaub RHP, Jeffrey Antigua LHP
System Overview:
Overall I see Archer, Jackson, Carpenter, and Lee as solid regulars. We have some intriguing players in Ha, Dolis, Lopez, Golden, Lake, Jung, and Kirk, etc. but even if they hit their ceilings it's more solid regulars at best. This system lacks potential all-stars. McNutt I beleive has the potential to be an ace but we still need to see what he does in 2011 and even if he levels out he's another solid player. The system has lot's of speed but lacks power. Lot's of power arms with intriguie but many may end up in the bullpen. I understand that this is true of most Sp in the minors but the questions seem more prevelent with this stable of arms.
I like the system overall but the Cubs really need to spend heavily in the 2011 draft for high upside talent. Potentially Archer, both Jacksons, Carpenter, Chirinos, Barney, Guyer, and maybe McNutt could be on the roster by late 2011 leaving this system Houston Astros thin circa 2008 and before. in my "Mid Season Cubs Top 30" I thought this could be an elite system. Being honest I spent most of this year doing work on the BCB and Wrigley Bound and much less time on the MiLB players as I had in the past and overrated the system. This is realy a 20-25 system.
The 2011 draft will be really telling to where this system will be going.
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The most surprising thing to me isn’t McNutt at #1, but Welington Castillo not even in the top 30. Personally, I believe he’ll have a better major-league career than Barney.
No one should be untouchable on this roster unless his name is Eliot Ness...or Starlin Castro.
I'm surprised at Castillo not in the top 30 too..
… but I disagree with you re: his major league career. Barney’s already pretty much penciled in as the backup middle IF next year. There’s no guarantee Castillo even plays in the major leagues in 2011.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Thus the term "career" not "2011"
Castillo was the youngest starting catcher in the PCL last season. He has plenty of time to become a quality backup, and with the way catchers get hurt, might have a couple of seasons as essentially the starter. Barney’s bat will keep him on the bench.
No one should be untouchable on this roster unless his name is Eliot Ness...or Starlin Castro.
Agreed,
Castillo showed me more than Barney anyway. I think Barney’s bat limits him to the bench and as a defensive replacement only.
by neifiisgreat on Oct 23, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Beef had 21 PAs. How much could he have shown?
I’m irritated Q didn’t play Beef more, just to see what he could do… but I don’t think you could make much of any conclusion off of Castillo’s very brief time.
I think it is fair to question what Barney is capable of… but he also fairly clearly got more comfortable as the season wore on.
Shut up Joe Morgan.
Nevertheless....
… the Cubs need a guy like Barney; apart from a couple months worth of Andres Blanco, they really haven’t had a decent backup SS in several years.
And Barney hits better than Blanco.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Castillo was the youngest starting catcher in the PCL last season
Really? At 23?
I mean, the general point stands… he has room/time to improve. But 23 doesn’t seem all that young for Triple A.
Shut up Joe Morgan.
matters little, I think Castillo is packaged
with some others where Chirinos is moved up to back up Soto and Clevenger moved up to AAA
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
before writing in Clevenger for AAA
let’s wait and see if he is still in the organization. He’s Rule 5 eligible.
My best guess is that the cubs will bring back Hill (not that I want them to, but speculation is pointing that way), while protecting Castillo and Chirinos. It’s possible they shop a backup catcher as a part of a package, but Chirinos’ former experience as an infielder may make him a super-util option of sorts.
Well...
like I said this is tenative version but I’m not really a Castillo fan. yes he has a good arm but I’ve read reports that he can get sloppy behind the plate and loses concentration. He’s pretty soft body wise. And while he does offer some power that’s about it offensively. Lot’s of K’s no walks just not really much for me to like. I’m not sure that even as a back up that profile would play well. Also i think Chirinos has better D and better offensive profile and I would really look at letting be the back up in 2011 at some point and get Geo some starts at 1B to rest him more. This is just my take.
http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-cubs-wrigley-bound/
Lots of choices but....
Of all the baseball I’ve seen in my considerable number of years (not necessarily considerable wisdom), lists are just lists, no guarantees. I will say that in my opinion, until a player has a decent year or so in AA , it’s all a crapshoot. Most teams #1 prospects are as close to a near sure thing as possible. Even then, it’s no guarantee that he is going to be a star. Most guys on any list would just love to have some sort of average success in the bigs for a few years. Lots of 1st rounders and lots of AAA studs have done nothing else. All the pieces have to fall in the right places and the stars need to be aligned, etc… Does make for something to debate in the off season though.
posted my first run through top 30
a few days ago over at sickels and elsewhere.
Everyone views things differently, so I’ll keep my comments brief.
Ha – That’s one that I’ll end up disagreeing with a lot of folks on. I know a lot of knowledgeable folks have him in the top 15, but until I see plus power, it’s hard for me to put him that high considering his plate discipline concerns. Now, if he can handle CF, that would change things, but most people feel Ha in CF is like Guyer in CF – you can get away with it for awhile, but not for extended periods.
Dolis – I kept on wanting to put him in the teens, but the reports coming back were that the slider was extremely inconsistent all year. He already profiles as a pen arm, despite being in the rotation, and until I hear better things about the slider, it’s hard for me to put him in the top 20.
Lopez – I just don’t see the fascination to justify the high rankings. I know there’s a bunch of people willing to put him top 20, and some putting him top 10, but right now, it is straight fastball, fringe-average curveball, a lot of work on the changeup, along with mechanical issues to iron out. Alberto Cabrera is older, but he’ll also be in AA next year (with Lopez likely in Low A) and Cabrera has a similar fastball, a better breaking ball.
Lake – much as I was hesitant on Lake last year, since he had such glaring issues, I think it’s hard to not have Lake in the top 10 when he arguably has the most upside in the system and had some production in A+.
Cerda – He won’t ever hit for a ton of power, but he’s got some more power in that bat. May be a Todd Walker-ish bat. To me, the power upside, plus the approach, makes him more intriguing than LeMahieu, considering that there seem to be some withint he system that feel that DJ is better off at 3rd.
Kim – to be clear, Jin-Yeong did pitch in instructs.
other comments
Overall, the system finished strong (guys like Raley/Whitenack and others). With potentially three top 50 prospects, and a lot of the C+/2 star types, I’m not sure this is a 20-25 system (that is a clear bottom third system). I think it’s more what I initially thought, somewhere in that 15-22ish range. The minor are overall weaker than in year’s past, and there’s a lot of teams bunched together from say, roughly, 8 to about 20.
Curious why you left off any mention of Nick Struck. Peoria folks noted that his fastball peaked at 93 with solid secondary options (for age), which fit with the scouting report from last year. He was given more than Trey McNutt to sign (granted, that doesn’t mean that much). Athletic kid, former MI, there’s some expectations that velocity/stuff could improve. Got a bump to Daytona at the end.
Perhaps the most intriguing thing about Reed is that he has lower body potential, which could lead to more power as he matures.
toons....when do you see McNutt, Archer and Carpenter being in the rotation?
You can then start seeing the subtraction of Silva, Dempster, Wells and possibly Zambrano(?)
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
none of the three are definite bets for the rotation
but general ETA guesses
Archer – likely starts 2011 in AAA, will likely see big league time later in the year if all goes well. how his change develops, along with whether or not he can improve his command/consistency, will determine if he is in the rotation. positive case for when he can compete for rotation spot is 2012.
Carpenter – likely starts 2011 in AAA, could see big league pen time later in the year, but does not need to be added to 40 man just yet, so they may until 2012. like Archer, development of change, along with improved control, is necessary for him to stick in rotation. Durability questions still exist.
McNutt – likely starts 2011 in AA. could see AAA later in the year if all goes well.
All three could conceivably contend for a rotation spot as soon as 2012, but a lot of work to be done.
I like him, too.
I don’t know much about his stuff, but he seemed to be very, very productive in Boise.
His numbers were impressive: 27.1 IP, 15 H, 11 BB, 48 K (WHIP under 1). And like many relievers, he has one bad appearance “dragging down” his totals. He had one outing where he got nobody out, walked three, gave up a HR, and gave up 3 of the 6 earned runs he surrendered the whole time.
I see he was a summer draftee from the College of Southern Nevada… anybody know anything else about him? Is his smallish size (6’0", 175) considered a detriment?
Shut up Joe Morgan.
kurcz
size was probably the factor that led him to being available in the 10th. That said, he has a plus fastball that gets into the mid-90’s, and he has a slider that has flashed plus potential. I believe that the reports, out of college, were that he didn’t have the consistency or 3rd pitch to work as a starter, so I think he could be fast-tracked as a pen arm. That said, it never hurts to try good arms as starters, so I wouldn’t completely rule it out, although I don’t expect it. The Cubs may also start/stretch him to get him work on the slider and it never hurts a pen arm to have a 3rd pitch either.
A case could be made that he’s the best relief prospect in the system (hence why I had him ahead of Dolis in my list – reports on Dolis’ slider were that it was very inconsistent).
Thanks as always, toons.
I’m not really a big fan of the “try him as a starter” method, though I can see some of its uses. Kurcz seems like the perfect kind of guy to “fast track” as a reliever. Refine the slider by making him throw it instead of letting him rely on his FB.
Shut up Joe Morgan.
well
the Cubs do go with the start/stretch method a bit, as they have done with Dolis, as they did with Ceda. the intent isn’t to develop them as starters, but to get them to work on their pitches, so don’t be surprised if Kurcz has a starting spot in the minors for next year.
Very solid analysis
I agree 100% with you regarding the Cubs lack of high upside talent. With Cashner and Castro graduating to the majors, the system starts to get really thin. Regardless of how you rank them, the guys in the bottom half of the Cubs top 10 are guys that may not reach the majors and even if they do, have a low likelihood of being all-stars. The Cubs really need to spend on the draft in 2011. 2010 (and to a degree 2009) draft in my opinion was a huge disappointment.
I like the 2010 draft enough
more than I liked the 2009 draft actually at the same point in time. It’s a bit more hit or miss, but there’s actually some upside in it. I’ve said it elsewhere, but in Golden and Wells, you could make the case that those two have the highest bat and arm upsides in the entire system of prospect eligible guys right now. Hartman and Richardson are overshadowed by Wells and Reed, but both are promising young righties. If Gibbs hits for anything, he’ll reach the bigs because he is simply that good handling pitchers.
Obviously, a long time to go before we get a clear picture on the 2010 draft.
One little edit
Matt Szczur returned to Villanova, not Vandy.
But very nice overall write-up.
Shut up Joe Morgan.
well, there's a 2nd edit
which is that I’m pretty certain Casey Coleman used up rookie eligibility (57 innings).
i will
make these edits in the final version guys, thanks.
http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-cubs-wrigley-bound/
You also put Gaub as a rhp
But very nice write up, good to see how high you are on McNutt.
by Dcr18 on Oct 23, 2010 1:46 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm glad you included
Austin Reed. I like him a lot. Another young pitcher i’m high on is Dallas Beeler. He impressed me alot in his games. I’ll be keeping an eye on him next year. And again.. I still like Justin Bour despite the fact no one else does. It doesn’t really matter though because he wouldn’t be highly ranked for me, but I think i’d put him towards 30.
if Bour shows a bit more power
he’ll get himself some more attention, particularly considering the lack of corner IF talent that projects well.
Beeler’s quite fascinating. Fell a bit due to injury history, IIRC, but there are some that expect his low 90’s fastball to be able to get up to the mid-90’s. If so, combined with his solid secondary pitches, he could be a nice surprise and potentially move fast. I’m guessing Peoria for him to start next year, but don’t be that stunned if he’s moved up to Daytona. The Cubs are reportedly very high.
For all the beating this past draft got, as BA said in it’s draft report card the other day, when all is said and done, this could be close to a B level draft.
D.J. LeMahieu
I think he’ll justify the enthusiasm. He was a young college draftee, he’s an excellent athlete at the plate, and the size alone offers some power potential. I won’t be surprised if he’s the best hitter in the system next year, though I also expect for Vitters to click a little too.
I’m optimistic with the farm system. It’s definitely on the way up, and it’s possible to have the ammo to make a big trade.
Great post
One minor comment, though. When you re-post your final analysis, could you give the age of everybody? That always tends to put comments on some guys into better perspective for me, although you pointed out several guys who were very young or very old so maybe I’m just adding more work for no reason and you already covered all the outliers.
Again, excellent job…and a refreshingly enjoyable read for something on the Cubs farm system. :)
Where would Harper's brother...
Bryan Harper rank if he was signed? There was never any real shot to sign him, but IMO he may have been the most talented arm picked up in the 2010 draft.
He’s got a better present fastball than most of the lefties in the system, and his mechanics are excellent.

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