MLB Playoffs: ALCS Game Six, Yankees at Rangers, Friday 10/22, 7 pm CT
by Al Yellon on Oct 22, 2010 8:01 AM CDT
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The Giants couldn't close out the Phillies last night. It was another good game, and let me give credit where it's due -- to the umpires. There were a number of close plays last night. We don't have replay review yet, but replays shown on Fox confirmed that umpires didn't miss any calls, at least not that I could tell.
So the teams will head to Philadelphia today where they'll play game six tomorrow. That game will be at 3 pm CT -- unless the Rangers close out the Yankees tonight, in which case it'll be moved to prime time (7 pm CT).
Tonight, the Rangers' Colby Lewis will face the Yankees' Phil Hughes. The Rangers have won only one home game in the 2010 postseason -- so we may very well see Cliff Lee tomorrow, pitching a Game Seven, one of the primary reasons the Rangers got him in the first place.
7 pm CDT, TBS: Yankees at Rangers. Rangers lead series 3-2. Announcers: Ernie Johnson, Ron Darling and John Smoltz.
SB Nation game preview for ALCS Game Six
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I still think Philadelphia will take the series. And, boy, do I hope the Yankees take a stumble!
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Philly has a good shot now.
Last night was the Giants’ best shot, I think, unless they can get to Oswalt early tomorrow.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I'm still amazed Manuel brought in Oswalt the other night instead of Lidge.
On two days’ rest. I know you need to try to win but it didn’t seem like a good idea and even less so now.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 22, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Back to Philadelphia and back to NY
I was hoping either Texas or SF would clinch at home. It makes both series more interesting, but I don’t think I was looking for interesting.
One of Lee Elia's 15%
Back to Texas, not NY
Halladay looked like Zambrano last night…uneven but good enough to win
Wherever you go, there you are!
by Dan Serafini on Oct 22, 2010 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Hehe...
It’ll be even more fun to see the Yanks pout and slink away if they lose in Arlington with all the Texas chants in the stands. I don’t think it’s as much an advantage for Texas as it is in NY which makes it more impressive to me that Texas is up 3-2.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 22, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
it appears
he may have tweaked something – saw a couple pitches where it looked like he was favoring something
by hansman1982 on Oct 22, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm just looking to see
Jeter and company pouting. The networks have to be very pleased they are getting more revenue from both series continuing and on the east coast where they think it is much more important.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 22, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I want two game 7s
Please.
I think the Yankees over working Phil Hughes’ young arm during the regular season is why they will lose tonight.
"I don't know what the big deal about Crackerjack is"
by theGraceyslumpbuster on Oct 22, 2010 8:16 AM CDT reply actions
I find it interesting
that lack of hitting this year is blamed on great pitching. Lack of hitting for the Cubs in the playoffs blamed on our hitters sucking, being terrible and bad managing. Just sayin, when it happens to somebody else, we’re more apt to congratulate the opposing pitcher. Howard has had an awful tough time at the plate. Maybe the Phillies will be so ticked at him they want to dump him to the Cubs (tongue firmly in cheek).
Sandberg for manager!
I loved that play at third base
when Ross got thrown out. What a throw!
Fundamentals on both sides of that play. First, a great throw due to Werth’s head being in the game and bad fundamentals on Ross’ part by trying to take 3B. You never want to make the first or third out at 3B. Yes, it took a perfect strike to get him, but that’s what happened. Changed the game, most likely.
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
Yeah Werth had made a bad throw the other game...
So it was redemption time for him and that could very well have been a factor in why Ross attempted it. I keep hearing these “rules” about making the first and third out but really, if they think it’s a good percentage move it definitely increases chances of scoring which is how the Giants scored an extra run on crap plays before.
I’ve been fascinated to see how many runs the Giants have been able to score and it’s a good thing I’m not their manager, I expect every game this magic…luck…surge…whatever you want to call it will fade and that’s why I wasn’t upset to see Ross run, it seems either luck that that lineup scores on Philly this often or Philly’s pitching has just been pretty bad.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 22, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
yes
anytime that it will take a perfect throw to get you out at a bag I say chance it…
by hansman1982 on Oct 22, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
didn't miss any calls?
halladay’s bunt was a foul ball.
You sure about that?
That one was borderline IMO.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
i am
the ball hit in foul territory then bounced across the plate to the LH batter’s box, where Posey picked up the ball. it was a foul ball.
by circuitclout on Oct 22, 2010 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
A FAIR BALL is a batted ball that settles on fair ground between home and first base, or between home and third base, or that is on or over fair territory when bounding to the outfield past first or third base, or that touches first, second or third base, or that first falls on fair territory on or beyond first base or third base, or that, while on or over fair territory touches the person of an umpire or player, or that, while over fair territory, passes out of the playing field in flight.
A FOUL BALL is a batted ball that settles on foul territory between home and first base, or between home and third base, or that bounds past first or third base on or over foul territory, or that first falls on foul territory beyond first or third base, or that, while on or over foul territory, touches the person of an umpire or player, or any object foreign to the natural ground.
Guess it’s what your definition of “settles” is. It had not “settled” — it bounced into fair territory where Posey picked it up.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
it doesn't have to settle
while on or over foul territory, touches the person of an umpire or player, or any object foreign to the natural ground.
it is my understanding that a ball that initially lands in foul territory is foul, but even if that is not the case (the definitions don’t clearly state that) the ball was foul as soon as Posey picked it up in foul territory.
by circuitclout on Oct 22, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Hmmm.
I thought where Posey picked it up was in fair territory.
But replay would have helped.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I saw a few replays of it on said biased network.
they made it clear as mud despite the analysts trying to justify their opinions. To me it happened so fast the ump had a hard time and the replays were at such an angle for the casual fan it didn’t help much with the lines always gone and the ball not in place for long. Just my .02
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 22, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Posey
didn’t do himself any favors by picking the ball up and since the baselines don’t extend to the back of the plate it’s hard to tell. the best angle would be from overhead but i haven’t seen that shot.
by circuitclout on Oct 22, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly.
The replays that I saw were at field level. Very hard to tell where things were, the magical lines shown in an overhead shot to illustrate the rules were gone in the replays with not much to distinguish what was going on.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 22, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
even if the ball was fair
and home plate umpire jeff nelson made the correct call, it seems he did so completely by accident.
if you watch the replay, nelson never looks at where the ball goes but identifies where it initially hit then signals fair ball by pointing to his right (seemingly indicating that the ball was fair inside the 3B line). but the ball isn’t fair or foul based on where it first hit, but rather, by where the ball was when posey picked it up. when posey fields the ball it is on the inside line of the LH batter’s box, at that point nelson is still looking at where the ball hit. if the ball were fair, it would have been fair in relation to the 1B line, not the third.
by circuitclout on Oct 22, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I think a ball that initially lands foul but spins fair before reaching third or first base, is fair.
And that’s why you see infielders or pitchers or catchers follow dribblers or bunts up a baseline and immediately scoop up a ball when it goes foul, so it doesn’t have the chance to spin, or take a funny hop off a spike divot or something, and end up being fair.
One of Lee Elia's 15%
by waiting4cubs on Oct 22, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
The analysts all over the networks didn't seem to agree on it either.
on ESPN (ugh) they even showed the zone where it was fair and where it was foul…it all happened so fast with the lines obscured I don’t think replay would have helped that. A very tough call to make period.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 22, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm surprised you didn't mention the bat shattering last night, Al.
Perhaps you have in other playoff game threads, have been busy the last few nights. The playoffs to me have had many glaring examples of replay needed along with maple bats shattering at a rate that makes blind bat Selig an obvious liar. I think the sportswriters were absolutely right though, until the calls deeply affect the Yankees or a bat pierces one of them nothing is gonna happen with Bud. I’ve heard already Colvin being mentioned several times with some clips shown.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Oct 22, 2010 10:16 AM CDT reply actions
Yeah, I forgot about that.
Stuck straight up out of the ground.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
maple bats
are to baseball what head shots are to football - thankfully the NFL is starting to do something meaningful (although Meriweather should be suspended indefinately along with the gentlman from the patriots)
by hansman1982 on Oct 22, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Kansas City radio interviewed Gus Johnson yesterday.
I think he should do the play-by-play of my life. And every sport.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Your life is exciting enough to have pxp?
Maybe you should start twittering. LOL
ducks and runs
On a few more serious note. You are right, some are good enough that I think they could read the phone book & I’d listen
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 22, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
If the Yankees win tonight,
the terrorists have won.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Oct 22, 2010 6:19 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Hamilton's gonna have a huge night and be named MVP.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Oct 22, 2010 7:37 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I hate it when that happens!
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Oct 22, 2010 8:07 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Colby face the minimum so far.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Oct 22, 2010 8:17 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I hate you so much Bud Selig for not installing replay.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Oct 22, 2010 8:39 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I can faintly hear a 'Yankees Suck' chant
in the background of the radio.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Oct 22, 2010 8:55 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
VLad = HOFer?
Me says yes.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Oct 22, 2010 8:56 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
NOLAN RYAN GAME 1 STARTER!
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Oct 22, 2010 9:24 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm so sick of the songs TBS plays on its playoff broadcasts!
Go Rangers
"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie" -- Tony Montana
if woody giving up 10 runs leads to the yankees losing
im all for it
He's my Hossa
HO-HO-HO-HO-HOSSA
I wholly agree.
He’s not a Cub, hasn’t been for awhile. Rangers in the World Series is good for baseball.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Oct 22, 2010 9:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yankees look like they have quit in the dugout
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"I could be writing this crap!" -- Crow T. Robot
Me: Q: I can run but not walk. Wherever I go, thought follows close behind. What am I?
Wrigster A: Theriot
anyone else seeing the Red Ranger shirts that say
AMAZING in bold on the front? did TJ sign a shirt deal with them?
Chronologically inept since 2060
"I could be writing this crap!" -- Crow T. Robot
Me: Q: I can run but not walk. Wherever I go, thought follows close behind. What am I?
Wrigster A: Theriot
i was curious to see if Moreland for the Rangers was related to keith Moreland
and stumbled onto this interesting piece of information about Keith Moreland
Named to College World Series All-Decade Team for the 1970s. Has second most career hits in College World Series history with 25 in 3 years (‘73-’75), behind only Sam Fuld of Stanford. On May 1, 2010, Moreland’s Longhorn number 3 was retired by The University of Texas.
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"I could be writing this crap!" -- Crow T. Robot
Me: Q: I can run but not walk. Wherever I go, thought follows close behind. What am I?
Wrigster A: Theriot
that felt good
it truly did
He's my Hossa
HO-HO-HO-HO-HOSSA
by jesus christos on Oct 22, 2010 10:10 PM CDT reply actions
anyone else get the feeling with each out
the Yankees willingness to offer Cliff Lee more than anyone else, including the NTC he wants went up?
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"I could be writing this crap!" -- Crow T. Robot
Me: Q: I can run but not walk. Wherever I go, thought follows close behind. What am I?
Wrigster A: Theriot
me thinks he stays in texas
He's my Hossa
HO-HO-HO-HO-HOSSA
by jesus christos on Oct 22, 2010 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
i think so as well
but i can hear cashman and steinbrenner adding the numbers
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Me: Q: I can run but not walk. Wherever I go, thought follows close behind. What am I?
Wrigster A: Theriot
UUUUNNNNGGGHHHH SUCK IT AROD
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Oct 22, 2010 10:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
1961 to current without making a WS
thats the same time Blackhawk fans had to wait to raise the Cup again.
Congrats to the Rangers, and i know some friends here who are going nuts
Chronologically inept since 2060
"I could be writing this crap!" -- Crow T. Robot
Me: Q: I can run but not walk. Wherever I go, thought follows close behind. What am I?
Wrigster A: Theriot
Funny interview with Colby Lewis
He literally was not sure if the Rangers had scored 6 or 7 runs and had to look at the scoreboard. 11 years since he was drafted in the first round by the Rangers. A late bloomer.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 22, 2010 10:16 PM CDT reply actions
A good friend of mine is a rangers fan.
He was born in texas and grew up near arlington. That was fun because i was truely rooting for the rangers
hamiltons a class act
did you know we could have had him?
He's my Hossa
HO-HO-HO-HO-HOSSA
by jesus christos on Oct 22, 2010 10:26 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
lets not start that again lol
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"I could be writing this crap!" -- Crow T. Robot
Me: Q: I can run but not walk. Wherever I go, thought follows close behind. What am I?
Wrigster A: Theriot
Al will now kill you.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 22, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
So, what's that leave...
Seattle and Washington as the ONLY current teams left that haven’t made it to the World Series since the Cubs did last? ….sigh…..
Zack Greinke...Opening day starter for YOUR 2011 Chicago Cubs?
can you fix your sig line
you are 0-1 with joe, most likely 0-2 with Dunn, dont jinx us
just giving you a hard time, hope you dont take it the wrong way.
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"I could be writing this crap!" -- Crow T. Robot
Me: Q: I can run but not walk. Wherever I go, thought follows close behind. What am I?
Wrigster A: Theriot
Don't jinx us? The Cubs? Seriously? The Chicago Cubs?
I do believe it’s too late for that and I can’t take credit for it. I wouldn’t cross off Adam Dunn just yet either.
Zack Greinke...Opening day starter for YOUR 2011 Chicago Cubs?
it was a joke, relax
i even told you i was giving you a hard time and not to take it as anything else, and you still did lol
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"I could be writing this crap!" -- Crow T. Robot
Me: Q: I can run but not walk. Wherever I go, thought follows close behind. What am I?
Wrigster A: Theriot
o'tay
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"I could be writing this crap!" -- Crow T. Robot
Me: Q: I can run but not walk. Wherever I go, thought follows close behind. What am I?
Wrigster A: Theriot
if there is any doubt about Girardi's future
i think his comment about the big four contracts being up should shed some light
his answer, “we have to look at”
we would imply that he knows he is not going anywhere. of course until he makes it official anything can happen
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"I could be writing this crap!" -- Crow T. Robot
Me: Q: I can run but not walk. Wherever I go, thought follows close behind. What am I?
Wrigster A: Theriot
The better team won
I picked the Rangers entering the series, but for the most part, they dominated this series, which I simply didn’t expect. On paper, their SP was better, but it didn’t seem like that big a gap. That said, Colby Lewis and CJ Wilson really gave them strong outings. Their MI, outside of game 1, largely held up, whereas the Yankees faltered. Their lineup was better suited to create runs. They are strong defensively.
No matter who wins the NL, they are going to run into better SP than they just faced, but with the way they are playing right now, it’s hard to bet against them. Organizationally, Jon Daniels really did a nice job revamping things there from his initial start. The system won’t be as strong, due to the graduations, but there are enough young pieces to keep them in contention the next 3-5 years.
One interesting question that they aren’t even pondering right now – do they shift Neftali Feliz back to the rotation for 2011?
One interesting question that they aren’t even pondering right now – do they shift Neftali Feliz back to the rotation for 2011?
Then who’s their closer?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Who knows
They do have fireballing Tanner Scheppers in the minors, and Scheppers may be headed for the pen long run anyways.
The question is worth asking because Feliz has legit ace upside. As much as I’ve said Cashner has “1” upside, Feliz is that much better. His fastball was a notch better, his curveball was a notch better (than Cashner’s slider), and his chanegeup, comparatively, was a notch better than Cashner’s in regards to development. There were some issues, but stuff wise, Feliz had all the potential in the world to be a rare, legit ace. Do you give him a look before committing him to the pen?
One factor may be whether or not they can sign Cliff Lee. If Lee goes, I doubt they make a play for another FA arm, and in that situation, they may see if they have an ace in Feliz.
That said, a lot of people seem unsure as to what Jon Daniels and Co. have in mind for Feliz’s future. If you keep him in the pen another year, you are pretty much committing him to be in the pen long term.
How's that parade looking, Mayor Bloomberg?
"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie" -- Tony Montana
I just went over to a Yankee Message Board...
…people Yankee bashing at full force. The sad part is that everybody bashing them wishes their favorite team could emulate them. They’ll be right back in the middle of it next year…no matter what it costs.
Zack Greinke...Opening day starter for YOUR 2011 Chicago Cubs?
Intentional Walk with Wild Pitch
Bottom of 3rd inning – Josh Hamilton being intentionally walked and one ball got away from Posada. Moreland advanced on the wild pitch, but it didn’t matter – Guerrero pop-up for third out.
Remember this play the next time someone thinks they should not throw the ball and just put the runner on first for an intentional walk.
"Easy on the words, brother,'' Quade said.
Cubs Fan Living Near the Ballpark
Born and raised in Chicago, but move to north Texas 12 years ago. Honestly when I got here I could have cared less about the Rangers, even though they were still on their 90s playoff run. I came down here a Cubs fan, and they still are and will always be my favorite team. When the Cubs were here this year, I went to all three games, decked out in my Cubs gear. Having said that, the Rangers have grown on me and my family. My daughter came down here a Cubs fan, but she is now a full blown Rangers fan. Rangers are my second favorite team, and I am happy to be a Rangers season ticket holder for the last three years. If the Rangers were in the NL, I do not see how I could have provided support to them, but as they are in the AL, that gives me that lattitude, IMO. The great thing about that I can double down on cheering for the Cubs when they play the White Sox AND the Rangers when they play the White Sox.
Nice. Congrats. Good luck in the WS.
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