Who Will Be Named Cubs Manager?
This is just a quick little post to get some discussion going on a baseball-less day.
We have discussed often here our personal preferences for the job of Cubs manager in 2011 and beyond.
The poll attached to this posts asks the question in a bit of a different way. Regardless of your personal preference, who do you think WILL be named manager? I'm only going to list a handful of the bigger names mentioned, either those who are obvious choices, or have already been interviewed. If the man you think WILL be named isn't listed, make that choice in the poll and then post your selection in the comments.
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I want Sandberg.
I think it will be Quade.
And I am okay with that.
Dear Jim: Hi. I'm Mike. Get Ryno in there. Ok bye. ---Mike
I guess this is how a lot of people feel atm
Going to be tough for them to NOT name Quade after the end to the season we’ve had, though the sample has been a little misleading imo.
by English Cub Fan on Oct 4, 2010 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions
The way he played Hill creeps me out.
I think that will be issue down the road. His stubborness…..
Reminds me too much of Lou and Lovie..
Have you looked at where Bobby Cox is batting DLee lately?
If this sort of thing bothers you, you are going to be bothered no matter who they choose.
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
by vonde6 on Oct 4, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lee
.849 OPS with the Braves, .751 with the Cubs, 24 RBI’s in 39 games with the Braves. He has hit better with the Braves.
I am surprised that his numbers are so good with the Braves
And I admit that I was too lazy to look them up.
I do check in on the sports page periodically, and he has had pretty quiet games when I have – with the notable exception of his game-winning grand slam.
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
He hit better for the Braves...He should hit higher!
He helped take the Cubs down with him this year.
Makes me wonder ...
how the Cubs would have fared in July and August if Marlon Byrd had been hitting third and Lee had been hitting fifth, which is where Nady hit most of the time.
Makes me wonder about if Byrd, Soto, and Soriano hit 3,4,5 when ARam and Lee were in their 2 month slumps...
How that would have improved things!
Wouldn't have made one bit of difference
as long as Dlee & Aramis were at or below the Mendoza line.
"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"
It would have made a difference.
Whether it would have made enough of a difference is another thing. But your stance is not that different than Lou’s.
Batting Soriano any higher would just give him more chances
to swing at pitches in the dirt per game. Nothing outside of Dlee & Aramis hitting or replacing them with someone who is, would’ve solved the offensive woes.
"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"
And we had no one to replace them with
Nady? No. Baker? No.
"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"
That's ridiculous.
Aramis returned to form after the All-Star break in JULY. At the very least, Lou should have moved Byrd to the No. 3 spot — where he’s hit for most of the Cubs best stretch of baseball in 2010. Byrd could have hit third, Lee could have hit fifth.
It wouldn't have made any difference in the long run
"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"
Then why were the Cubs 11 games over .500 ...
after Lee was traded and Byrd moved into the No. 3 spot?
I’m not saying that the Cubs would have made the playoffs if Lou had made this simple lineup adjustment (and a few others, like playing Fontenot more and Theriot less) earlier. But your words were “one bit of difference.” And that’s just wrong, dude.
I would caution...
…expecting Byrd to be a legit 3 hitter on the club next year. I think the league will have better scouting reports on him and his production is likely to be lower (as you saw as the season went on).
IMO, Byrd is more of a 6 hole hitter on a team that is a playoff contender.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I'm not saying that Byrd should hit third going forward.
I’m saying that in 2010, the Cubs would have been better if Byrd had occupied that spot BEFORE Lee was traded. Byrd was a better choice THAN DERREK LEE to hit third for the Chicago Cubs by the All-Star break, if not before.
Can't disagree.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
The Cubs were 11 games over
partly because Aramis finally got hot and we got rid of Lou’s, “what do you want me to do?” attitude.
"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"
Aramis started hitting in July, Itchy.
Not late August, when Lou left. Lou’s attitude was part of the problem. His reluctance to move Lee down in the order — which was part of the attitude you mentioned — was ALSO part of the problem.
Getting rid of Lee probably helped the most
because moving him down would just make the bottom of the order even more of a “death valley”.
"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"
Now, you're just being obstinant.
It’s not like Nady set the world on fire.
I just don't believe moving a Marlon Bryd
up a few spots in the order would’ve made a profound difference in our season. He ain’t that good and I’m tired of people referring to where people hit as being one of major reasons we ended in up 5th, it’s about #12 on the list of reason why this team sucked for 4 1/2 months.
"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"
You said "one bit of difference"
That’s what I responded to.
Actually, the Cubs did their winning after he cooled off
His 2010 game log shows he got to .244/.297/.450 after the August 22 game (Lou’s last game), and he finished at .241/.294/.452. So Ramirez was pretty “meh” during the stretch when the Cubs were winning. The 24-13 record under Quade wasn’t his “fault.”
And the second lesson is that the 2011 manager shouldn’t count on Aramis Ramirez to be his cleanup hitter. He just may not have that in him any more.
Sadly ...
Aramis might be the best option, assuming Colvin doesn’t make some pretty significant strides and Soriano doesn’t find the fountain of youth.
Oh, he will be the Cubs 3B in 2011
The money guarantees that – both what the Cubs owe him next and his 2012 option vesting if he gets traded (thanks, Jim). But based on 2010, Soto would be a better choice for #4 hitter.
Look, Ramirez was hitting 4th when he should have been on the DL
And didn’t improve until he actually went on the DL. Hitting Zambrano 4th would have improve the offense.
And regarding Lee, the offense picked up after he was traded.
So, yeah, there were better answers than creating a black hole in the middle of the lineup.
I have heard that
the reason behind that is that the Cubs aren’t too fond of Castillo’s ability to call games, coming from some HR he gave up. I’ve heard that they think another young catcher is much better at it( has to be Chirinos) so that’s why they didn’t like to play Castillo much.
It was, apparently, a home run given up to Pat Burrell in San Francisco.
Talk about holding a grudge.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 4, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Then Chirinos up instead. After the AA playoffs.
If not him, Clevenger….
If you are scared to play a kid, why is he here?
Hill playing everyday was stupid. Especially starting 2 games in Houston.
I think they wanted him here to work on him
Not necessarily calling games for them. He benefits from the extra instruction he gets at the major league level rather than just going home after the AA playoffs.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Oct 4, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
We balance out
I want Quade, think it will be Sandberg, and will be ok with that if Quade is on the staff.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on Oct 4, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
You can add me to the list.
I think Quade will get the nod and I’m OK with that; I prefer Ryno.
Let me also say thank you to Al. I don’t think this is the best Cubs blog around, I think it’s the best blog period. None of the rudeness, sniping and ad hominem attacks I see on virtually every other blog.
"...the name on the front is a lot more important than the name on the back." Ryne Sandberg 7/31/05
by shifafaontheside on Oct 4, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
There is an effort here in BCB to have dialogues
instead of flame wars and games of one-upsmanship. I think that’s what sets it apart and above others.
Thanks again.
That’s the kind of thing I’ve tried to encourage here, and I think that even when we have strong disagreements, as long as it doesn’t degenerate into personal attacks, I’m fine with that.
People here in general bring a lot of knowlege, intelligence and articulate opinions, and that helps everyone learn.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
You bet!!!
…Great job Al!!!
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Sandberg is the safe choice with the fans
but it is questionable whether it is the smart choice
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Oct 5, 2010 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I think it's gonna be Quade.
I think Hendry was leaning toward Quade all along, and that Quade proved himself over the past six weeks. I know that Quade managed in garbage time, and that a lot of the Cubs’ opponents of late were playing a bunch of untested kids. But the change in attitude was so stark — and aside from a couple of goofy decisions, I really liked what I saw from Quade.
I’m not opposed to Sandberg. But, from an outside perspective, I really don’t see why Ryno is a better candidate than Quade. I think Sandberg could win the job if he connects more with Ricketts and Hendry in interviews — and if that happens, I’d be fine with it.
But from my outsider/fan perspective, I’d go with Quade — by a nose.
This makes some logical sense.
But remember: Jim Hendry doesn’t necessarily have the final call here. Tom Ricketts does.
I think it’s going to be Sandberg — with Quade sticking around as his bench coach.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Oct 4, 2010 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
That's possible.
Again, I’m not saying there’s no way that Sandberg could or should get the job. I’m saying from where I sit, I don’t see how Sandberg is better suited for it than Quade.
I didn’t get a chance to post to the final recap thread yesterday, Al. Let me belatedly say thank you for working your butt off on BCB day in and day out. I’ve been a reader for four seasons and an active poster for three. Your site makes makes being a Cubs fan more fun.
Cheers.
if Ryne gets the job
you get to keep Quade IMO…thats a pretty good deal…..quade as MGR and Ryne goes elsewhere.
by cozmotaylor123 on Oct 4, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think that's assured.
Quade could and should get consideration elsewhere if he’s not hired by the Cubs.
From an objective view point...
…Quade may have a better chance of landing one of the other managerial openings than Sandberg does.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Agreed
Certainly being a HoFer has a certain appeal to it, but it’s lessened if he’s not your HoFer. Sandberg’s Q rating doesn’t impact other teams as much as it does for the Cubs, whereas Quade’s efforts so far can be marketed anywhere.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
As of right now
I think its the other way around – you hire Quade, you get Ryno as Bench/3rd Base coach – you hire Ryno – Quade is going elsewhere.
I really don't think
Sandberg stays if he’s not the manager. He wants to be a manager and will go where he can manage.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
He will...
…if someone is willing to hire him (which we don’t know).
Again, I’m not certain Quade is not a better candidate to an organization that is not the Cubs.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
which is what I am thinking
you have to remember, to the other 29 teams he is just a 4 year minor league manager who had decent success after a playing career…I doubt he gets too much from the other teams…
With this September audition, I think Quade will be under strong consideration from several clubs...
…looking to find the next Francona, Maddon, etc. So if the Cubs don’t sign him, I think he’ll go somewhere else.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I think/hope
that it will be some combination of the two with one as manager and the other as bench coach. They seem to be similar managers (from what little I know) with similar philosophies about accountability and a focus on the fundamentals
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
Coaches
Wonder how much of this decision involves management’s approval/disapproval of the current coaches. Would management prefer to retain the current coaches, dump them, or not care? My sense, based on not much, is that Quade would retain the current coaches at least for the first year, but the others, including Sandberg, would turnover a majority of the coaching staff.
Interesting observation
I could see Rudy J. being kept since he’s being paid all that money, and Rothschild seems well liked by the pitching staff. Maybe their input will weigh a bit heavier than that of Dernier, DeJesus, and Trammell.
Rudy Jaramillo won't be let go.
Rothschild seems a personal favorite of Hendry’s. Beyond that, I’d guess a new manager would get to name some of his own coaches.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Has Ryno or Q made any
calls to people saying,,,IF I get this job,,would you want to be part of staff ??
I’m kind of thinking the Maddux angle here……would be huge if Ryno interviewed saying,,if I am coach I can get Maddux as pitching coach and _ as bench coach and _ as __ etc
by cozmotaylor123 on Oct 4, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
No disrespect to Mike Quade - he's done a fine job...
but Sandberg is the much more high profile, household name. All things being equal, Ryno has that advantage. You can market Ryno, you can’t really do that with Quade.
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
That shouldn't play into the decision.
Sandberg shouldn’t be punished for his celebrity. But the Cubs shouldn’t pick a manager based on Q rating.
Agreed - that's not the reason why you choose a manager...
But if Hendry/Ricketts feel they have two equally qualified candidates, you would probably lean toward Ryno for those reasons. Hall of Famer, Cubs legend, worked his way up from the bottom, back to lead the Cubs to the promised land… I’m just saying there’s a natural story line there that you can promote – and it’s not necessarily a bad thing. This is entertainment, after all…
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
by DKT on Oct 4, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
This was discussed last week.
Your logic makes sense IF there really is a chance that Sandberg and Quade are dead even after the search process. That probably won’t happen — it’s not like Quade gets 10 points for big-league managing experience, Sandberg gets five for having played for the Cubs, etc.
There’s no formula, you know?
Yeah, I think it comes down to the interviews and who connects with Hendry/Ricketts the best
All this stuff happens behind closed doors, so we’ll have to wait and see what happens…
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
by DKT on Oct 4, 2010 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions
The good news is ...
we have two good candidates. We’re not picking between Jim Essian and Tom Trebelhorn.
No one comes to park to see the manager so marketing has zero to do with it
unless you’re trying to win a most popular Cub manager contest.
"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"
I think right now
it is a horse race between Quade and Ryno.
Be interesting to see what happens to the rest of the coaching staff after the manager announcement is made.
Per the poll's boundry conditions
I picked Ryno. Many reasons that I believe the Cubs will cite, not necessarily me:
He’s been cutting his teeth as the only HOFer in the minors.
He’s a great teacher and has the respect of all his players.
He’s one of the most famous and recognizable Cubs players of all time.
He “gets it” on what it means to manage the Chicago Cubs.
IMO this will end up being a big marketing campaign. I still want BB in there but have a hunch he’s heading up the road about 100 miles.
Just win the next game...!
BB took himself out of the race
Maybe he saw too much cubbiness. Maybe he like the WI cheese better.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 4, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
BB said
that if the next manager isn’t Sandberg, then it’s going to be very, very hard to be the Cubs manager, because the fans will be calling for Ryno every time the Cubs lose two in a row.
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5627445
That’s what he claims he meant when he said the Cubs job wasn’t a good fit. Of course, he adds that he thinks Quade has done a good job.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 4, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
You have to wonder...
…whether there are other factors as well; such as maybe not be crazy about the direction the organization is going?
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Good question.
Brenly did say that it could take a while for the next manager to win the WS.
A while
yeah, they said that in 1908 too…
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 4, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
The Cubs won 104 games
in both 1909 and 1910.
In 1909, it wasn’t good enough as Pittsburgh won 110 games that year. In 1910, they lost to the Athletics in the WS in five games.
After that, the Tinker-to-Evers-to-Chance teams got old.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 4, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I was kidding
Too good to pass up.
I was at the last home game of the year and I saw a guy wearing a Cubs blue and red varsity jacket. The jacket had patches that said World Series and “08”. I couldn’t fathom how someone could wear a jacket refeering to a championship from over 100 years ago…
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 4, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
That's how we had to take it
My friends and I were saying – “Really?!” Truthfully, the jacket looked like one of those mock-sports jackets that designer’s sell.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 4, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
The Cubs sell "1908"
T-Shirts. I have one. Such items have been on sale —officially sanctioned – for years.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 4, 2010 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm surprised there isn't a
“Back-to-back” WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS set of Cubs jackets & shirts.
It gets to the point to being stupid with many teams.
Just this Summer with the ’Hawks finally winning it all, I saw a “Four time Stanley Cup Champions” shirt showing the ’34, ’38, ’61 & 2010 titles. Are you kidding me? 4-time? To me that means 4-in-a-row or at least 4 in a short time frame say 8-10 yrs or so.
Just win the next game...!
Same with the dreaded Dodger fans on high
and by “on high” I mean 1) sitting in the nosebleeds and 2) full of Budweiser.
They’ll tell you the Cubs suck, they choke, 100+ years, etc.. But really there comes a point when 22 yrs w/o a championship is no different than 102.
Especially when you're only 21!
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 5, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Who knows?
Clearly he’s not going to rip the organization if he wants to stay on as color man.
But I think that’s a good point. If Ryno doesn’t get the job, whoever gets it better win or the calls for his (and Hendry’s) head are going to be deafening.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 4, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
That's possible.
But there are some other things in play. If Quade or someone else struggles as Cubs manager and Sandberg struggles in say, Toronto or Seattle, I don’t think think there will be too much “Hee Seop Choi” treatment at Wrigley next year.
But should Sandberg lead another team to the playoffs or even a better record than the Cubs …
Plus, he's now had 6 seasons to see first hand
just how much a fish bowl managing the Chicago Cubs can be.
And with that reason (or actually the opposite) is why IMO he’ll go to Milw.
Just win the next game...!
He has also seen...
…how the organization works and the position it has put the managers in as well.
I’m sure Brenly appreciates his current gig, but you can tell this guy is craving to get back in the dugout. He is extremely competitive (as most of these guys are) and I think he would love the chance to show the Cubs that they passed up on a guy (twice) that was a good manager.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
What directions do you think the organization is going?
Ricketts has said that the team is going to get younger and needs a manager who can work with young players.
Was BB that kind of manager at AZ? He won the WS with Johnson and Schilling.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 4, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
Maybe BB should wait for Buck to get canned in BAL.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 4, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Let me put it this way...
…I think we would all agree a manager is dependent on his roster for success. If this is the case, who puts the roster together for the Cubs? Yes, it is Mr. Hendry and maybe with no indication this will change anytime soon, Brenly’s intimate experience watching the club has given him pause.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Agreed
There have been aricles and studies that boil down to how much/how little an MLB manager influences his team’s performance.
And Hendry could be closer to the Ricketts than we think. Hendry coached at Creighton, wear papa Joe Ricketts earned is bachelor’s degree.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 4, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
or it could be
that he has a great job right now and already has a WS ring…would be tough to go back to a job where everyone criticizes you every day for every decision
What kind of contract are we looking at?
With Ryno and Quade having little to no MLB managing experience, do we only offer a 1 year deal or are going all in with a 4-5 year deal with whomever takes over? I worry about the other candidates signing elsewhere while the Cubs sit back and wait to see what happens with Girardi. I don’t see Joe leaving NY.
Contract
It will depend on who they hire. A big name hire like Girardi will demand a 4-5 year deal. Someone like Melvin, Wedge or even Sandberg will likely garner a 3 year deal at less dollars. Quade, I could see, getting a two year deal. Signing a manager to a one year deal is basically taking away their power before they even get started.
I "voted" for Mike Quade,
but I would not be surprised by Ryne Sandberg or a MTBN.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Girardi
I don’t have a favorite in the race but I am hoping that Girardi does not get the gig. The more I hear about him (particularly on XM’s national shows), the less I like. The opinion on him seems to be that he over manages. He was notorious during his year managing the Marlins for his poor handling of pitchers and was blamed by some for Josh Johnson landing on the DL. I’m hoping that he stays in NY.
I agree with you
I don’t see him as some dream candidate. He did do well in Florida but anyone would have won with that Yankee team last season. This year with a few challenges, we’ll see how they do in the playoffs.
It is totally my opinion but he seems like someone who will burn bridges after a few years. I don’t see him as a Cox, Scioscia type who will remain for a long time. The Cubs need that. I could see Quade and Sandberg as long-term managers. They are both higher on my list.
"I knew when I left that restaurant that night that he was our guy." ~ Cubs GM Jim Hendry, Jan 2009.
Not so sure...
… he did all that well with Florida. Again, some believe that he misused several young arms.
I meant record-wise
but yes there were questions on his handling of pitchers and specifically Johnson.
"I knew when I left that restaurant that night that he was our guy." ~ Cubs GM Jim Hendry, Jan 2009.
Another reason Girardi likely stays in NY.
Name another baseball man who the Steinbrenners would consider worthy of that job.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I think the Yankees are more about the organization than the manager
Not that Girardi would do this, but let’s just say he strings along the Yankees, publicly uses the Cubs as leverage to drive the price up, plays hard to get…
I think the Steinbrenners drop Girardi like a hot potato and go hire someone, anyone – be it a big name or their AAA guy, or some young up-n-comer. I’m pretty sure they’re confident enough in their organization to be stronger and bigger than any one person.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I don't see it that way.
That team, in that media market, needs a strong leader. You can’t grab just anyone. Remember, Girardi spent a year as Torre’s bench coach, being groomed — he left for the Marlins because at the time, it didn’t seem as if Torre was leaving any time soon.
The Yankee job is a unique job.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
well, they all are.
And they wouldn’t just grab ‘anyone’ – you take me too literally. But outside of George and his massive ego (and plaque to match), no one is bigger than the Yankees. They’d find somebody who could do the job and do it well, given the resources available.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Agreed
IF the Yanks make a change, this will be the first hire under the new Steinbrenner regime and they aren’t going to make a hire that underwhelms. One wonders if Joe Torre would consider returning, perhaps on a two year deal. Beyond that, would Tony LaRussa consider going to NY if he leaves the Cards? IMO that would be a disaster as Tony would implode under the NYC media spotlight, but he is a big name. Don Mattingly would have provided a good alternative to Girardi, however thats now off the board.
Bottom line… Steinbrenner will do what he has to keep Girardi because there aren’t many, if any alternatives that will satisfy Yankee fans.
Good call
I happen to think Joe G. stays in NY but if he were to leave I could easily see the Yanks going after TLR.
dm is right
TLR would be a disaster in the New York pressure cooker.
Hal Steinbrenner
really hired Girardi. George had been out of the Yankees loop since probably 2004 or so.
Another reason I don’t think Girardi is going anywhere.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 4, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
understood...
… but to many Yankee fans, this would be looked at as the first big decision following the death of George. I do agree, though, that Girardi likely stays.
I tend to agree...
…and although his sons aren’t exactly like his old man, there is some of the same passion there that we saw from George.
I also agree that it is about the “organization” and if you look at all the consistant winners, it wasn’t some miracle job the manager did to get them there. The Yankees made Joe Torre what he is today, and althought he was good enough to take advantage of the situation, he wouldn’t be a HOF manager if he didn’t get that gig.
Now, how good (or bad) the Cubs organization is, will be the reason the next Cub manager succeeds or fails.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Joe Torre?
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 4, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
That's what I've been saying
I don’t see Girardi as any better than Sandberg or Quade, and he’d want a lot more money and a much longer contract.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 4, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I voted for Q, only because I think Ricketts will go after the cheapest of the bunch
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
That would be a poor reason if it was his primary consideration.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
seriously
this bandwagon needs to stop – give Ricketts some freakin time people…the guy took over a multi-multi-multi-million dollar business…you cant expect wholesale changes or huge blowing of money in the first 12 months. Jesus H Christ…
by hansman1982 on Oct 4, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
fired everyone
Made Girardi Manager with Maddux GM/Pitching Coach and parted the Red Sea….I mean the guy is working on additional revenue streams for the Cubs while upgrading spring training facilities while figuring out exactly what he has here in Chicago. I think the evidence from the last month shows us that we are not as far away from contending next year as some people believe. The drum I have been beating is that it took Steinbrenner 20 years to build the Yankees to what they are now…give Ricketts 20 freekin months…
He watched (I assume, they could be reached in Africa) as we did this year
and was the only one who could do something about it.
So he must think Hendry does a great job.
It took Lou leaving on his own to bring about the great change you are talking about at the end of the seaon. Would he have gotten rid of Lou on his own? Nope….
Also If they had finished how they would have with lou, wouldn’t Hendry be on much thinner ice now?
You must love Dan Snyder
"I knew when I left that restaurant that night that he was our guy." ~ Cubs GM Jim Hendry, Jan 2009.
oh god
get off the dead horse that is the Africa trip…did he handle the Lou situation well…no, the key thing is to see how the organization reacts the next time this comes up….that will be the true test of the Ricketts – how they handle these problems the 2nd time around.
Is this you? ;)

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 4, 2010 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Mike Q. has made a very positive impression, IMHO, so I would be happy to see him get the job.
But he shouldn’t be the first choice just because he is “cheap”.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
my first choice is Sandberg because I think he will do the best job,
my 2nd choice is Q for a whole different reason….he’d be inexpensive and we can maybe (if Ricketts is willing) spend more on the team, then we can get a manager to get us to the WS.
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by cooliogirl47 on Oct 4, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
This is a much more fun question
than the one we had last year going into the off season.
Look into my eyes!
Baby steps
with a $100MM + payroll
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by RiskyBusiness on Oct 4, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Now, if the Cubs can just move Silva's contract somewhere...
… they’ll have made the best of a bad situation.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Silva barely pitched in the past two months.
$6 million righties with spotty success and heart problems are exactly highly coveted.
You meant "not exactly"
… but still, I think there’s a team out there that might be willing to say “we can fix that”.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Not to be an jerk ...
but what team thinks it can fix a heart problem? Do they have experience dealing with Tin Men?
Mark DeRosa would like to have a word with you.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Did the Cubs improve DeRosa's heart condition?
If so, I have no memory of this. Maybe I’m forgetting something … ?
You are.
DeRosa had a similar heart problem in spring training 2008 and he had the same procedure done that Silva did.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
OK. I forgot that.
But the Cubs weren’t trying to trade DeRo at that point. Now, he went on to have his best season after that, but DeRo was in better shape than Silva is in now, and DeRo didn’t have Silva’s baggage.
All valid points.
But, Silva did pitch reasonably well for half a season. Remember, the guy we traded to get him was supposed to be untradeable. He wasn’t. Neither is Silva.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
But probably not before well into spring training, unless the Cubs give him away
An acquiring team will want to see that he is healthy and can still pitch. In addition to the heart procedure, Silva was looking kind of wobbly at the end of his stint this year.
True enough.
I still think Hendry will give it a shot.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Silva was a great story for the first half of the year.
But I don’t see another team rolling the dice, unless someone is in a situation similar to where the Cubs were a year ago with MB.
Hiring Sandberg feels like a Cub-like thing to do, even tho there are new owners.
A gut feeling of what they’re going to do. Only this and nothing more.
One of Lee Elia's 15%
That's my gut feeling too.
I think they were grooming him for it and aren’t likely to change their minds. I also have a gut feeling Quade will be managing someplace else.
Like your Raven quote. Nice.
Look into my eyes!
My gut feeling is they're going to do something totally unexpected, ridiculous and disappointing....very Hendry-like.
Something wicked this way comes.
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Oct 4, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
If they hire Don Wakamatsu
I just don’t think I could bear it!
"...the name on the front is a lot more important than the name on the back." Ryne Sandberg 7/31/05
by shifafaontheside on Oct 4, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
yep
my next batch should be ready right after the Holidays!
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by cooliogirl47 on Oct 4, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
It is a Cub-like thing to do
That’s the problem. :)
Seriously, though, I have no idea who the Cubs will pick. I really don’t think there’s a clear favorite.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 4, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
There are way too many managerial openings this year
for what Quade did to be ignored by other teams. He will at least get consideration for other managerial positions if Ryne gets the Cubs job. If Ryne doesn’t get it, he’s as good as gone to another team.
Either way, I see enough other opportunities out there that neither of them will be a bench coach for the Cubs next year.
THe longer it takes ...
the better . Ricketts has to get this right and nail down what is best for the club . We will never know what is going on behind closed doors . It is like a jury being out . JUst when you think you know the verdict it it changes. With so very many managers stepping down it throws another wrench into it .
Thanks for the vote of confidence
… but I only take the job if I can have Paul Reuschel as my pitching coach, Steve Dillard as my bench coach and Lenny Randle as my 3rd coach.
If I had to guess....
….Hendry’s pick may indeed be Quade, but what I don’t know is how much influence Ricketts will want to interject if he simply likes the feel of Sandberg or if he has his sights set on the bigger name Girardi.
It sure seems like Hendry has done one of his sell jobs on Ricketts, which is scarying the hell out of me.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Anybody's better than nobody
I don’t have a horse in this race. In 2011, I will be a Cubs fan, just as I have since the real Mordecai Brown was the ace of the staff (Just kidding; but would you believe since 1947 when I was 7 years old?). The choice seems likely to be Sandberg or Quade, and either one is fine with me. However, I want to see this resolved as soon as possible. Time is important. I want the new manager to have a voice this off season in assembl- ing the team so that it fits his managerial style as well as possible. I’m also hopeful we can land a manager who will be around for a dozen years or so.
Both Sandberg and Quade seem to be strong “fundamentals” types, both understand defense is important in winning games, and both have a burning desire to win. The holy grail for managers is a world championship for the Cubs; who wouldn’t love that?
Are you implying that Lou was nobody in 2010?
I agree and like your sentiment. I think he was calling it in all season long. The DLee 3 and ARam 4 no matter what the circumstances drove me nuts.
’Anybody’s better than nobody’ should be the theme to this year’s managerial search.
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by HotTimeInOldTown on Oct 4, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
You mean to tell me
You’re not the real Miner Brown?
by Josh Timmers on Oct 4, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I voted for Quade
Though I am hoping for Ryno. One scenario I see playing out is Ricketts insisting on Ryno, and Hendry wanting Quade. The owner usually wins that battle.
Whoever is named better be a patient man. I don’t see this team improving enough to be competitive in 2011. Hope I’m wrong …
"We gotta circle the bandwagons." - Devin Hester
Qampaign for Quade
Who would want to manage the Cubs? There’s going to be the usual merry go round for managers, hell, the Brewers and Mets are two right off the bat. Then we’ll see who goes to Atlanta, LA, Toronto, Florida, among others. I really like Mike Quade, I don’t see this team being an instant contender and he can get the most out of his guys. Ryno would be a good choice also, might as well. So Ryno as skipper and Quade as bench manager, with Jaramillo and Rothschild returning. So we need a first and third base coach and how can we get Greg Maddux to help with pitching?
by Fully Kreusened on Oct 4, 2010 11:16 AM CDT reply actions
Maddux has already said...
…. he’s not ready for a fulltime coaching gig, that he’s happy in his current role.
That said, there’s no reason he can’t help with pitching. For one thing, I’d love to see him have some long sessions with Casey Coleman.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
he has already
hasnt he? Rothschild is a good pitching coach – here is to hoping that the next manager will be just as successful…
Maybe it'll be a total suprise by Ricketts
He fires Hendry and hires Maddog as GM. I mean who better to be a GM than a walking encyclopedia.
Just win the next game...!
Maddux doesn't want a fulltime gig right now.
That won’t happen.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
You need more than knowledge...
…to be a good GM (you have to love the job) and I’m not sure Maddux is in a position to put in the hours that he would need to to do well.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
One thing I fail to see here is
Anyone acknowledging what the players want. Didn’t Dempster say he wanted Quade to stay? I would bet that in order for him to publicly make that statement, that probably the other players mostly agree. While I tend to think Sandberg is still going to get it, management is going to take the players’ opinions seriously as well, not to mention the fact that Quade has a decent record as manager. It might just be 50/50 right now, who knows?
Yeah, what does Big Z think?
Since he’ll be staying awhile, why not ask Carlos? Would he prefer the Blizzard of OZ?
by Fully Kreusened on Oct 4, 2010 11:27 AM CDT reply actions
I went Sandberg.
At the end of the day, no matter what else has happened, he’s the best choice. Now I can firmly live with Quade, no problem at all. I also believe there is an outside chance a 3rd party is named manager so neither Q or Ryno is offended. Unlikely but I could see it happening.
Here is my final thought on Sandberg. If you are a free agent, do you want to go to a club that is managed by a HOF player. Yes, you do.
Sandberg for manager!
I must say I'm very impressed with the numbers Q is putting up.
I voted Sandberg even though I’d prefer someone else.
And, just one thought:
Remember the last time a player publicly supported someone in the organization to keep his job? Yeah, he was unceremoniously sent to the Dodgers…
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Do you mean Theriot trying to stay at SS?
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by Zy Toro Young on Oct 4, 2010 1:56 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Just in case you're not kidding...
I believe chilango2 was referring to Ted Lilly (who I plan to sign as soon as I become GM).
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I voted Quade
but I hope it’s Sandberg. I just don’t think Quade will be very good. And I don’t think it’s best he sticks around as bench coach either, if Sandberg gets the job. It might cause some issues with some players listening to Sandberg and others listening to Quade. It just wouldn’t be good for the clubhouse.
Yeah, I'm curious about that, too
This whole Sandberg thing really has put the Cubs behind the 8-ball, it’s appearing. With this franchise, it figures.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 4, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
As long as the choice is Quade, Sandberg or Girardi, I don't expect many problems.
Girardi probably stays in New York. So, assuming Wedge, Melvin and the others are out of the realistic picture, it’s down to Quade and Sandberg. I’m personally in the Quade camp, but not by much. And hiring either guy is defensible and probably won’t unleash a public-relations nightmare.
If Quade is hired, the Cubs can point to the team’s strong finish and the fact that Quade has years more experience than Sandberg, including the last four in Chicago. Also, Quade seems like he has the right attitude, and can brush off the occasional “Sandberg” chants if things go bad early next year. Finally, after a few days of “Mike Who?” from some dumbass columnists, Quade’s low profile will allow him to mostly fly under the radar.
If Sandberg is hired, the Cubs can point to his four years in the minors, his character and his HOF career. Most fans won’t remember Quade by midseason, because Quade will be coaching somewhere else or managing a small-market team that has a much lower profile. I don’t think Quade ends up as the Cubs bench coach.
Final important point: Whomever doesn’t get the job almost certainly won’t be managing a playoff team in 2011. The Blue Jays, Mariners, Mets, Astros, Brewers, Pirates, Royals and Diamondbacks won’t be postseason teams, and the Braves and Dodgers have their guys. So unless the loser in the Cubs derby leads the Cardinals to the postseason — which almost hurts to write — the guy the Cubs didn’t hire won’t be THAT much more successful than the next Cubs manager.
Good last point, eg
Actually, good points overall, but the last one is something I’ve not really seen addressed.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 4, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks.
This really isn’t a bad situation. The Cubs have two good options, three if Girardi is actually in the running. There will be critics of any move, but there just isn’t THAT much to criticize either way, IMO.
I'd still rather see Girardi or Quade
But they would be in an impossible situation, methinks, because the Sandberg specter would be hanging over their heads anytime the team hits a rough patch. I really hate that.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 4, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Girardi could simply show off his WS ring and quiet the critics.
And Quade has a low profile. As long as Sandberg doesn’t take a team to the playoffs while Quade finishes with a sub-.500 Cubs team, I’m not worried.
Ha -- the one he got as a manager.
But good point.
I don't think that would bother Girardi - he'd just laugh it off
and I get the sense that Quade is quazy like a fox, so he’d probably just say “specter? what’s a specter?” all innocent-like and disarm whoever is asking.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Good point.
I really like Quade’s attitude. Thick skinned with a sense of humor. I don’t think the Cubs have ever had a manager like that — at least, not in my lifetime.
Don Zimmer was pretty much like that....
… but then again, he managed in ways so wacky no one could figure them out.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I was 10 when Zimmer was fired.
So I don’t really remember his style. I just thought he looked funny when he got mad.
Indeed, BH, good point
It probably would bother me more than it would bother them. :)
by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 4, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Girardi...
…is not going to be intimidated by someone who didn’t get the gig who hasn’t yet won one game in the major leagues.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
As to the positives of this short "post-Lou" era, I have a few thoughts:
1) BETTER TEAM ATTITUDE: I don’t put much weight in the improved attitude of the players. No matter who the new manager was, we would have seen a better attitude and improved play. We saw this same thing happen with Baltimore when Buck (courtesy of ESPN) came to town.
2) PLAYERS DID BETTER: By the time Lou left, the Cubs were so deeply out of any contention that I don’t think this means much. In the end, the Cubs stunk at getting RISP home and made tons of mental errors on the field under Lou and they vastly improved when “nothing mattered.” There is no doubt that for whatever reason, the Cubs were “tightly wound” when Lou was managing. Again, I believe Cub play would have improved no mater who replaced Lou because Lou kept everyone too up tight.
3) GOOD AT UTILIZING PLAYERS: Once the rosters expanded beyond 25, I think there is little to be gained in understanding how an interim manager utilized players. With a 25 player limit, there are always questions of “11 or 12 pitchers” and when to use pinch hitters, pinch runners, the bullpen etc… No matter who managed the Cubs in September, it would give Cub management no sense of how they might manage with the limits and pressures of 25 players AND a pennant race.
So as much as Quade has “made his case,” I think we would have seen some level of similar improvement no matter who took over the post-Lou Cubs.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 4, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
And Buck Showalter...
…is considered a real jerk by a lot of players, because he is a hard ass.
I pretty much agree with most of what you say, because it is real difficult to put much credence in performance when you are out of the race, even when you play clubs who are still in it. Real pressure happens when you are expected to win, not when the other team is expected to win.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
the fact that Quade
kept the momentum going through all of Sept is a real plus to him – alot of times a guy comes in, changes attitude and then goes back to sucking
I am in Sandbergs corner
however naming Quade would not get me to set my house on fire.
I just hope they don’t wait for Girardi to finish the playoffs to see what his status is.
Get this done, name the manager, and lets move forward to 2011.
Why rush...
…what is the benefit?
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
There is an advantage in getting this done relatively soon.
Hendry was paralyzed last season until he dealt MB. It would be a shame if the managerial search delayed things again.
What will it delay?
…Hendry is the GM and the GM is the guy who puts the roster together. Sure they may get feedback from the manager, but this is the very thing a lot of folks have given Hendry grace on – relying too much on who his manager wants.
I don’t buy that excuse, but the GM should certainly know the type of club he wants to put together and hire a manager that fits that club. If he does the opposite; hire the manager and then tailor the club to him, does that mean the Cubs don’t have any idea what they want to do in 2011 to improve the club? The organization should drive the direction, not just the manager and that is what all good organizations do.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
The term in D.C. is "oxygen."
If all of Hendry’s time is consumed by the managerial search, he might not be on his toes with other acquisitions.
Lame excuse.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Well, I'm not excusing anyone, MPH.
I’m saying that it would be good to quickly hire a manager so the Cubs can focus on other needs.
95%...
…of the work required to identify your manager should be done before FA starts.
If the Cubs are targeting Girardi as a top candidate, it would mean just waiting for the chance to interview him and get him a contract to sign.
Waiting until the WS is done (if the Yanks are in it) should not crater the Cubs plans.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
If 95 percent of the work is done that soon ...
what’s the problem with hiring the manager quickly?
Here is why...
…let’s assume for a moment that Girardi is the Cubs number one choice to manage the team. Since Hendry has already interviewed Girardi once for the same position and his track record is well known, it will basically be a matter of agreeing on money and years for his contract – for the most part.
Also, since Girardi knows interviewing for the Cubs gig will basically piss off the Yanks and they will tell him to get lost, they will have an agreement in principle before Girardi ever gets on a plane to fly to Chicago, or he won’t come.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
With
so many manager openings, and coaches that go with these managers, I just want the Cubs to name there manager so the rest of the staff can get into place. I see Rothschild and Rudy staying, but who is to say that others could leave to other franchise’s with so many new managers being named. Waiting till November does not help to replace coaches or pick new coaches.
I'm fine with either Quade or Ryno
But, as was mentioned above. If we don’t take Ryno, I see him going to another team. He’s not going to wait around another 3 years or so.
Actually Ryno's HOF Status Hurts Him
If he were not a Hall of Famer, but instead were some journeyman player, Ryno would clearly be the “hot” prospect — having had several years of major success in the minors with a team not known for keeping its prospects and having a farm system. Its the celeb status that is hurting him.
This is just wrong
Hardly anybody on this site would know who Sandberg was if he wasn’t Ryne Sandberg, MLB HOFer. Don’t be silly. “Major success” in the MiLB isn’t what makes one a hot name in managerial searches.
by JSB on Oct 4, 2010 1:25 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
What gets you as a hot commodity
is baseball people talking to the media that you’re a hot commodity.
Wally Backman is being touted as possibly the next Mets manager, and Backman has about the same experience as Sandberg—albeit with a big hole in the middle when he got the D-Backs job pulled from him after a DUI and a bankruptcy and he had to go to the independent leagues.
I agree
Media hype is what makes someone a hot name in MLB managerial searches. But that hype usually centers around a former player that is fairly high profile (Wally Backman is not as big a name as Sandberg, but he is well-known) or someone who is a bench coach with a winning team.
Winning in the minor leagues isn’t what gets one hype.
by JSB on Oct 6, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I believe it'll be Girardi (surprised, Al?)...at ANY cost...
…I’m good with either Quade or Sandberg, tho.
I have to wonder something tho…all throughout this year, people on BCB (I’m no exception) would sit back and “arm-chair” manage and critique Lou on most of his bonehead calls/lineups…for instance “Is Lou even awake?” or “Lou is pathetic” or “Lou sucks” or “Lou is a POS”. Lou took the full blunt of this season while he was here…and even at times while he wasn’t. Would it be the same with Sandberg? I wonder if that would play into Hendry’s/Rickett’s decision? My meaning being this…I’m not sure it would be the fans saying “That Ryno can’t manage” or “Ryno sucks” or “Sandberg was a mistake”…but more along the lines of “If Hendry would get better players, Sandberg would be a great manager” or “Poor Ryno…he really isn’t being given a fair chance with this team”? Can the fans separate their feelings for Sandberg, the Hall of Fame 2B and Sandberg, the Manager? Or is he just an “icon” no matter what?
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Great point...
…and I do think Sandberg would get every benefit of the doubt (by the media and fans) longer than any other candidate would.
On another point, I’m thinking that Hendry is on somewhat of a short leash (according to Ricketts; Hendry will start 2011 as the GM), and that tells me maybe Ricketts will not overrule Hendry’s number one pick, because if the club fails, Ricketts will know it was his pick and not Hendry’s. Will that make it more difficult for Ricketts to push Hendry out the door and eat the last year of his deal? I don’t know.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
noted
Joe Girardi...2011 Chicago Cubs Manager...Maybe...50/50?
Adam Dunn..2011 Chicago Cubs First Baseman - 3 yrs/$42 mill with a club option for a 4th.
A month ago
I thought Sandberg was a lock. Not anymore; I think Quade has a good chance and I would actualy prefer him over Sandberg at this point.
It HAS to be Sandberg
Fair, not fair, correct, not correct, experience and dues, etc etc. Doesn’t mean a lick.
There is no way in hell that the Cubs organization is NOT going to hire Ryne Sandberg as its new manager. They absolutely cannot have him go to another organization to manage – it will be a PR disaster, and he clearly wants to manage.
I’m not saying it is correct, I’m just saying that it is what it will be…. unless they somehow convince him to take a bench coach job. That might really be the best for everyone, but Ryno has the upper hand in any negotiations.
"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores." Corporal Maxwell Q. Klinger
Worrying about PR...
…won’t help you win championships and the Cubs have been too guilty of this in the past to keep repeating it.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Agreed.
And I don’t think there will be that much of a PR nightmare, assuming Sandberg or the Cubs don’t trash each other if Quade gets the job.
Moreover, I think we’re elevating Sandberg to more than he really is to most Cubs fans. He was my favorite player growing up. But a 20-year-old Cubs fan was 7 when Sandberg last played and was 2 when he was an elite player. The fan backlash/PR effect resulting from Sandberg not getting the job would be minimal.
Maybe I'm overestimating what people know
Or maybe I’m underestimating it. I think that if Sandberg goes somewhere else (say, Pittsburgh… ick…) there will be a tremendous amount of very unhappy people – whether they matter or do anything about it, I don’t know.
I also think it has potential to be a problem when Hendry said “go get some experience”, then he got it and doesn’t get the job. Bad precedent for future employees.
And yes, as usual, I’m at least partially playing devil’s advocate.
"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores." Corporal Maxwell Q. Klinger
Considering the Cubs...
…have missed the playoffs for 3 straight years with a huge payroll, how much more unhappy can people become?
You don’t make decisions based on what will appease the fans emotionally, you make them based on what will make you win – and then everyone will be happy, even if Ryan is elsewhere.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
and unless theres a lot
of improvement everywhere, I’ll up MPH’s number by 1 and call it 4 straight years.
Hendry was really honking on that bong when he stated the Cubs were 4 players away; unless those players were Halladay, Pujols, Hamilton & Price….all the while getting rid of Domer, Fonzie & Z.
Just win the next game...!
Fukudome, Soriano and Zambrano for Halladay, Price, Hamilton and Pujols?
When can you start as GM?
;-D
No thanks, not in this fishbowl
However, IMO for the Cubs to be very competitive next season, it would seem that drastic changes are needed, not 3-4 players as Hendry cited in an early Aug (8/7) Herald article. The 4 players I mention of course are completely out of the picture and a complete pipe dream.
Just win the next game...!
the Cubs have been too guilty of this in the past to keep repeating it
I’d like to think you are correct. But I don’t.
"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores." Corporal Maxwell Q. Klinger
Exactly
That’s why I honestly think a Sandberg managerial decision would be a triumph for PR over substance.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 4, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
+1 !!
This falls along the same line, “if you do what the fans want, soon you’ll be sitting next to them.”
Just win the next game...!
If the Blackhawks...
…did this, they wouldn’t have canned Savard for Q, or let Tallon go.
How did that workout???
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
It's exactly why so many fans can't separate
their hearts from their heads. It’s why every major league team in this city would be wise to go have a talk with a one W. Rockwell Wirtz. Never thought I’d say this just a short 3 years ago; yikes !!
Hell, I’m still hearing it from all this so-called bloodletting that started June 23rd. Yeah they gave up a lot of good [supporting] cast players but not only did the super big guys stay, they kept Sharpie, Bolly, Hammer & Brouwer.
Just win the next game...!
Cub fans suffer...
…from this condition much more than fans of other teams.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Is this thinking just along the lines of the Cubs or all organizations?
Joe Girardi...2011 Chicago Cubs Manager...Maybe...50/50?
Adam Dunn..2011 Chicago Cubs First Baseman - 3 yrs/$42 mill with a club option for a 4th.
Big Z
According to Twitter reports from David Kaplan of the Tribune and WGN Radio, eyewitnesses reported that Zambrano damaged his car Monday morning in his haste to leave Wrigley Field after he and his teammates cleaned out their lockers.
The accident was said to be minor, but Zambrano’s car reportedly sustained significant damage.
"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"
Al made a fanshot about this
Joe Girardi...2011 Chicago Cubs Manager...Maybe...50/50?
Adam Dunn..2011 Chicago Cubs First Baseman - 3 yrs/$42 mill with a club option for a 4th.
replied failed...sorry
Joe Girardi...2011 Chicago Cubs Manager...Maybe...50/50?
Adam Dunn..2011 Chicago Cubs First Baseman - 3 yrs/$42 mill with a club option for a 4th.
Rozner says Quade's getting the job
-While it is a two horse race between Sandberg and Quade, it does not appear that Sandberg ever had a true chance at getting the Chicago Cubs managerial spot. Barry Rozner, Baseball insider for the Daily Herald and co-host of "Hit and Run" on 670 the score AM, reported today on Hit and Run that he has been told by his Cubs sources that Quade is the guy. Rozner went on to say that the Chicago Cubs could hire Quade within the next ten days to two weeks.
While things could change between now and then, it appears that the Chicago Cubs played Sandberg, much like they did when they originally interviewed him for the managerial opening after the 2006 season. The biggest reason the Cubs are turned off by Sandberg is that he does not have major league managing experience. Meaning if they truly wanted Sandberg to be their manager, they probably would have named him as the interim manager after Piniella left instead of Quade. Which probably pushed Quade past Sandberg as the top candidate to fill the vacancy.
"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"
I'd rather have Girardi, but Quade
wouldn’t upset me. He has paid his dues and then some. I like his approach with the media. I like how engaged he appears to be.
He took a big gamble. He figured this would be his best shot at a job, here or elsewhere, so he did things his way and let the chips fall.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 4, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, c'mon.
The Cubs didn’t “play” Sandberg. That’s nonsense. We can’t assume that any promises were made.
I agree, Rozner seems to be making things up here
"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"
Do you think Hendry and/or Ricketts are talking to the beat writers?
“Hey, we’ve decided to hire Quade. But don’t tell anybody yet – it’s a secret.”
I’m guessing Hendry and Ricketts are the only two people that know what’s going to happen and the info isn’t making it’s way through the organization to additional “Cubs sources.”
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
by DKT on Oct 4, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Very unlikely
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Roz isn't a beat writer
and I have it on good authority he has connections that many people simply do not know about. Not Miles, or anyone else in the beat world.
Now, the question I still have is Roz paraphrasing or was he really told. However, he has been beating this drum about the Cubs seriousness – or lack thereof – regarding Ryno.
Just win the next game...!
No, not one bit
It’s just that there’s some writers that have other connections.
Just win the next game...!
Agreed
If Hendry did make Sandberg a promise, Hendry should be fired on the spot.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 4, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Rozner's an idiot.
I usually stay away from bashing the beat writers and columnists around here because I think it’s overdone. But Rozner usually has ill-informed opinions.
That said, I bet he’s right in his FACTS about Quade.
His reporting
might be more on target than his opinions.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 4, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Rozner is Sandberg's buddy...
…so you have to take this with a grain of salt.
I heard him this weekend, and he said Sandberg is better of going elsewhere to get experience, rather than jump into the current mess (as long as Hendry is still in charge, difficult to dispute for any manager).
At the end of the day, Rozner isn’t real objective about Sandberg either.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
He's been beating that drum too for quite awhile
….about the current mess that is. Gotta wonder though if he let Ryno know about any info he may have had or does have now. The Ryno interviewing process could have all been a smoke screen until other teams were ready to interview.
I have to really wonder that if Ryno was their guy, why he wasn’t brought in when Lou first announced this last year managing back on 7/21; not his official leaving but when he first said, “this is my last year and I’ll be gone at the end of the season”. That was prime time for Ryno if he was Ricketts guy.
Just win the next game...!
I don't know about that...
…and I can understand having pause with putting him in charge at mid-season, but who knows.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I think they may have promised him a chance at the job down the road but didn’t guarantee anything.
I predict Ryno has a major league managing job next year.
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by puckishcubsfan on Oct 4, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
If this IS the case...
then I hope Sandberg gets the Milwaukee gig. That would make that rivalry pretty intense, ya think?
Joe Girardi...2011 Chicago Cubs Manager...Maybe...50/50?
Adam Dunn..2011 Chicago Cubs First Baseman - 3 yrs/$42 mill with a club option for a 4th.
What about the 800 lb gorilla in the room?
Actually it’s probably more like 220-230 lbs or so and he’s not a gorilla. I’m talking about Hendry and his status as GM.
Obviously Ricketts did not house-clean in Year 1 and get rid of Hendry – he’s on record as saying Hendry’s his GM when the 2011 season starts (or words to that effect). And conventional wisdom seems to indicate that even if Ricketts is not happy with the job Hendry has done, he’d be reluctant to get rid of Hendry before his contract expires, i.e. Ricketts doesn’t want to pay two people to do the same job.
Hendry’s contract runs through 2012, two more years. Do you give your new manager a longer contract than two years? If so, does that send a message to Hendry? And assuming the chances of Hendry being renewed are slim, wouldn’t a new GM want his own manager?
Unless somehow it’s Girardi, I think the new manager gets a 2 yr deal with maybe a 3rd year club option (if they do that for managers). And I’m also thinking this new manager is most definitely tied to Hendry at the hip, waist and most of all, neck.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
On this, you and I agree.
No new manager here is going to get a three-year guaranteed deal like Baker and Piniella did.
And incidentally — when Don Baylor was hired he got a FOUR year deal. The Cubs ate a year and a half of it when they fired him.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Baker was 4 years.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Lou was 3...
…but they tacked on a year.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Correct about Baker.
Also correct that no hire right now is going to get anything near that long.
Two years with an option. If the guy does well, they can always extend him — that’s what the Sox did with Ozzie.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Then he puts the other leg on the scale
Joe Girardi...2011 Chicago Cubs Manager...Maybe...50/50?
Adam Dunn..2011 Chicago Cubs First Baseman - 3 yrs/$42 mill with a club option for a 4th.
Really tired of the Hendry weight "jokes".
Not funny, and bordering on a personal attack.
How much he weighs has nothing to do with his job performance. Criticize that all you want, but don’t get personal.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Oct 4, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Actually not totally true....
…..having been involved with dozens of companies with “overweight” CEOs, I have come to the conclusion that if a guy can’t take care of his own personal well-being, how can you expect him to run a successful business with dozens or hundreds of employess depending on him? I know it sounds simplistic and will probably generate a lot of criticism but that has been my experience. Also, I recall that Hendry at one time was hospitalized during some negotiations? I’m glad he pulled through OK, but remember, it could have been a lot worse and should be a warning sign to him to take better care of his health. Just my 2 cents.
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
Actually I worked for a company that was run by a CEO who makes Hendry look slim in comparison. The company was going great.
Then a skinny CEO took over when this guy left and the company went to heck.
Weight has no bearing on how a GM performs.
He actually signed Ted Lilly while being prepped for a heart surgery. Maybe we should send him in for heart surgery more often!
I stay out of Hendry talk a lot because my objectivity is a bit clouded. I see him all the time in Park Ridge and a nicer guy you’ll never meet.
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by puckishcubsfan on Oct 4, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes
and he signed Ted Lilly while getting an EKG.
The hospitalization didn’t seem to affect his job performance.
Makes sense...
…but what doesn’t is if Ricketts bases a decision on not wanting to pay two people in the GM slot.
The leadership at the top of your baseball organization is not something you let keep going down the wrong path to save a little money. If he does this, it will cost him A LOT more in empty seats and lost revenue when the day is done.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I agree it would be a good idea to fire Hendry. Frankly I’d fire everyone down to the main towel cleaner except for Tim Wilken.
But the decision to keep him last off season made sense. First the Ricketts didn’t have control until the offseason was well underway so changing GMs would have been problems.
Also I think at that point he had earned another season as GM.
If an outsider looked at his tenure and just record they’d say keep him. In 8 full seasons they won 3 divisions and 2 other post 500 records. His overall record has been 30 games over 500 for those 8 years.
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by puckishcubsfan on Oct 4, 2010 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think...
…many baseball people would rate Hendry’s overall body of work as more than average at best. He has done some good, and plenty of bad as well.
Hendry is indeed a nice guy as you mention above and a stand up guy as well. Problem is, those qualities won’t make up for an inability to lead a baseball organization and make good decisions. Someone I know has MLB contacts, and while a lot of people really like Hendry, his stock as a GM has really tumbled over the last couple of years.
In regards to timing; Ricketts either should have replaced him right out of the box (fall of 09), or give it time to analyze what is going on within the organization. Obviously, Ricketts thinks Hendry deserves another year (I strongly disagree), but what bothers me most, is how is Ricketts able to come to this conclusion as someone who doesn’t have a baseball background?
If I bought a football team, I wouldn’t rely on those trying to hold onto their jobs to convince me how well they are doing, I would bring in someone with experience and an objective eye and trust him to make the right call.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Do you think that whoever becomes manager should be given a one-year (2 at the most)...
…….so if he is a flop, we won’t have to prolong the agony for 3-4 years?
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
He'll get two years, minimum.
New managers almost never get 1-year deals.
I really think it will be Girardi
If he was content in New York and didn’t want the job he would have said so. He didn’t and I can’t imagine the Cubs turning him down if he wants it.
Maybe, but
I can’t see him doing that.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 4, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Because it's not like him at all.
The logic makes sense but I personally couldn’t see Girardi doing it
Yes.
I heard he was looking for houses in the Lake Forest area yesterday with Adam Dunn too
A-Gon will be Dunns backup
Joe Girardi...2011 Chicago Cubs Manager...Maybe...50/50?
Adam Dunn..2011 Chicago Cubs First Baseman - 3 yrs/$42 mill with a club option for a 4th.
Funny thing is
He actually owns a house in the Chicago area.
We see him at Northwestern games all the time once his baseball season is over.
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by puckishcubsfan on Oct 4, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I know him slightly
I know a lot of others who know him quite well. Just can’t see it.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 4, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I could be totally wrong
But I’d be very surprised if Joe pulled something like that.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 4, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Girardi seems to be a good judge of talent - why would he want to deal with the roster the Cubs will put out the next couple of years?
Yeah, ultimate challenge and all that. But it is a thin line between ultimate challenge and “exercise in futility.”
Al, given the number of managerial vacancies...
maybe we should have a Manager “Free Agent” Contest this year as well. ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
It should be Quade
He has done the job and has shown that he knows how to manage a bunch of ego-driven, highly-paid ballplayers.
He has turned the bullpen and pitching staff around, and gotten a little better production out of the offense.
I personally like his managerial style, and think it will work well with the team going forward.
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
Wait ... who are you?
I’m not sure if there’s enough room on this board for two Gatos.
:)
Well, he's Mr. Gato,
but you are THE Gato. :)
by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 4, 2010 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
How about Ozzie?
He may be on the outs on the South Side, he’s won a ring, he loves the city, and he does a great job of keeping media focus off the team so they don’t stress out.
Don’t get me wrong, I voted for Quade, but if Ozzie is available, how do you not take a look?
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
Several reasons...
…Ozzie is going back to Sox, Ricketts likely wouldn’t be that disreprectful to Reinsdorf, and lastly, Ozzie is not a good fit because he is a goof ball.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Oh, that's easy
I don’t hire Ozzie because’s he’s a media ass-clown. The Cubs can generate enough media buzz with a normal manager on a Thursday day game. The don’t need that mouth. No thanks, never.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 4, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh god no.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
I think it will be Quade...
But Sandberg is my preference. If it is Quade, I wouldn’t be upset. I’d be disappointed for Ryno because he’s done everything the organization has asked him to do and been successful. And Sandberg clearly wants the job as manager of the Cubs. However, Quade wants it, too. I would rather see Mike Quade get the job over Bob Melvin, Eric Wedge or Don Wakamatsu. No disrespect to those guys, but they don’t understand the Cubs tradition. And, honestly, I wasn’t crazy about any of them when they managed their old teams. I think Wedge would be a good fit with the Pirates, though. Melvin might go to the Brewers if they don’t hire Willie Randolph. And I think Wakamatsu will wind up as a coach on the Baltimore Orioles next year.
IF Sandberg is hired, I’d like to see Larry Bowa come back to the Cubs as third-base coach. Bowa was Ryno’s mentor when they both came to the Cubs in ‘82. And, if Don Mattingly doesn’t have Bowa as his bench coach next year, I’d like to see him back in a Cubs uniform.
Bowa
I agree on Bowa.
I also wouldn’t mind Dunston and his energy on the coaching staff. And yes he is involved in the Giants organization. He was on the field during the Giant’s celebration yesterday and still has the face of a teenager!
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by puckishcubsfan on Oct 4, 2010 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Choosing Sandberg over Quade will show that the owners' are willing to spend on playing talent.
Some of Ryno’s value to Clan Ricketts undoubtedly rests on his ability to attract more fan interest. If he’s hired even partially for that reason, ownership will be more likely to get him the players he needs to succeed and remain an effective part of the Cubs marketing strategy. On the other hand, hiring Quade will show their willingness to use Q’s nice cleanup job as cover for going cheap.
"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62
"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64
It sounds more reasonable when you say "a business"
than “the Cubs”.
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Spending big to buy the franchise is no guarantee they'll spend big on talent.
In fact, if the Ricketts decide they overspent on their original purchase, they likely will keep a tight lid on player expenditures. Whoever is hired as manager may give us some insight. If it’s Sandberg or Girardi, the Cubs likely will be run as a big market team. If it’s Quade, the Tampa Bay model may be the owners’ ideal.
"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62
"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64
Well that is a wild assumption
"I knew when I left that restaurant that night that he was our guy." ~ Cubs GM Jim Hendry, Jan 2009.
or it could be that
they think Quade gives them the best chance to win, salary be damned…you have to remember that for someone like Tom, who by the way is just the face of the ownership, is a fan of the Cubs and as such probably wants to win just as bad as we do…the only difference being that he also has to make sure he makes a profit, cant go out and spend $200 million on player salaries if you can only afford $140 million
That's leverage
“Cheap” is not spending money on operations – which is often a product of excessive leverage.
I think it will be Ryno.
The opportunity to have one of the most loved former players come back and manage the Cubs is just too good to pass up. Not to mention he has shown the ability to successfully manage in the minors. It is a shame that Quade won’t get a chance at a full season with the Cubs because he did a good job this year. But, I do think Quade will turn up as the manager for another team.
id be happy
I’d be happy with either Quade, Ryno or Girardi. My first choice is Girardi.
I don’t think we’ll know until Joe’s situation is resolved in New York.
My only concern with Quade is he has been in the minors managing for a zillion years and nobody has given him the chance.
My first choice actually has already announced he wont be it. Brenly.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see all 3 managing in the majors in 2011.
How about this for a nightmare. There is no guarantee Tony LaRussa returns in 2011. How about Ryno in St. Louis?
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What about someone else?
As I just typed I’d be happy with any of the 3 headed monster.
But does anyone else have any other ideas?
Please not Ken Macha.
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Good question
Who else would be acceptable to the Cubs masses? Eric Wedge doesn’t thrill me. Neither does Bob Melvin.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 4, 2010 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions
He very well
might end up with a managerial job this year.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 4, 2010 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Q-riffic!
Gotta go Quade! The Blackhawks have Quinneville, that seems to be working out. How many other major league cities have 2 managers/head coaches with their last name starting in Q! It is quintessential that we make a quantum leap to Quade!!
Sandberg has it
Those of you in the Q camp, is the reason why the Cubs played so well because of Quade or a lack of Lou? Really, Lou was a great manager, problem was, it was 15 years ago. The last few years he lacked passion, desire, inspiration, motivation and compassion. Basically, he lost his moxy. Quade seems a good manager, but this past few weeks reflects more to me the former manager’s lack of drive and fire than the new manager’s abiities.
Mr. Ricketts, be sure to keep a long view here, and not look at 6 weeks.
Johnson & Schilling made Brenly look good. I like him better as a broadcaster than a manager.
Girardi is probably the best manager, if he is available
Quade earned it, he did some miracle with a team that was DOA when he took over
Ryno will be a marketing bonanza and he is familiar with a lot of the young roster.
In the modern baseball era, marketing bonanza wins, welcome back Ryno. I just don’t want to see some old ass out touch, Pinella/Torre/Cox type manager.
13- Warner, 23- Sandberg, 40- Tillman, 11- Walter
My picksss
1) girardi – hes won a championship
2) quade – he has done a nice job so far
3) ryno – cuz hes ryno!
Sign Adam Dunn, shore up pitching. Call it an offseason.
Chicago Jazz > Three Am-Egos
by chicago030 on Oct 4, 2010 8:35 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
This is a no brainer
Ryno is a HOF player, how many players can claim to be on that level? Only a few hundred. Does that make him a good manager, of course not. But it does say that he was better than 99% of all players in the history of MLB. He has the chance to be a special manager, what’s to say that he couldn’t excel at managing in MLB as he did playing in MLB?
I don’t think anybody here can question Ryno’s baseball acumen, he knows the game. And in case there were any reservations about his ability to manage a team, his teams have had winning records 3 out of 4 seasons in MILB.
What exactly has Quade done to stand out of the pack? The answer is nothing. He was a MILB lifer, a 0base coach for some MLB teams, and interim manager of a mediocre MLB team that was bound to regress to the mean and perform above average at some point in the season.
He doesn’t deserve anything, and he has minimal upside. I’ll bet my money on an HOF up the middle 2nd baseman to have success as a manager over Quade any day of the week. Ryno has more upside as a manager than Quade has in his pinky to be quite honest.
If Hendry doesn’t pick Ryno, well that will be just another reason for him to be fired in my book……
by magicblue on Oct 4, 2010 9:16 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
HOF player means....
zero as manager. Bobby Cox, Tony LaRussa and numerous others have proven that.
I will agree on Hendry being fired though.
"I knew when I left that restaurant that night that he was our guy." ~ Cubs GM Jim Hendry, Jan 2009.
I disagree, Its such a small sample size
But if more elite players decided to get into managing, I bet that they’d excel at managing much more so than the LaRussas and Bobby Coxes of the world.
The game doesn’t change whether your a player or a manager. The decisions that need to be made don’t change. Elite players were elite because they were given a gift, if more of them would become managers, its really not a stretch to believe that they’d also be elite at managing.
Unfortunately, very few recent HOF players have decided to become managers so there’s only a small sample size from which to test this hypothesis. But back in the day, the best MLB players were also sometimes the best managers (or player managers)
Most flatteringly, several players were held in such high esteem, they got managerial jobs even before they could be elected to the Hall of Fame, which takes a minimum five-year wait after the end of one’s playing career.
They included Yogi Berra (hired by the Yankees in 1964, elected to the Hall in 1972), Bob Lemon (Royals 1970, 1976), Tony Perez (Reds 1993, 2000) and Frank Robinson (Indians 1975, 1982).
Then there is the simple fact that the Hall did not induct its charter class until 1936 — ruling out several iconic players-turned-managers on this technicality.
This is a long list including the likes of Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker, Eddie Collins, Walter Johnson, Christy Mathewson and Rogers Hornsby.
Just because Ryno is the 1st HOF player to try his hand at managing since Frank Robinson, doesn’t mean that its not possible……
My point is that its worth betting on Sanberg turning into an elite manager than Quade
The list at the end of that article of great (not Ryno HOF great) former MLB players that have turned into good (or great managers) is pretty long, certainly much longer than the TLR, Cox, and Quade ‘out after 2-3 years in the majors’ list of managers.
Guys like Ryno, Dusty, Torre, Brenly, Don Baylor have such a vast array of experience with in-game situations at the MLB level and success during those in-game situations that its worth betting on over somebody as average as Quade
I see no upside to Quade whatsoever, I see a ton of upside with Ryno
The Cubs managerial job
should not be a forum for on-the-job training.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 5, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Where did I say that?
Everybody knows where you stand and I have yet to hear a single credible reason why Quade should be manager. The only person I’d take over Sanberg is Girardi.
I’d even take Wedge over Quade
I guess everybody knows
where you stand, too.
Some of you Sandberg supporters get very, very sensitive when challenged about your boy’s credentials, or lack of same.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 5, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I think your reflexive dislike of Sandberg turns people off.
You don’t seem willing to listen to anyone’s reasonable argument in favor of him. Maybe if you did, people would be more willing to listen to your concerns.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Case in point
It’s not “reflexive dislike,” Al. It’s the absurdity that four years as a minor-league manger has prepared anybody for what they will find here.
I expressed my concerns and was mocked and ridiculed for doing so, including by yourself. You never miss an opportunity to joust with me on it.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 5, 2010 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd call that "reflexive dislike".
Some people think that’s enough. You don’t. That’s a fair disagreement, but it doesn’t deserve mocking, in my opinion.
It should be enough to agree to disagree without you continually reminding us of your position.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
When you quit contiually reminding us about your position,
I’ll quit continually reminding you of mine. :)
by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 6, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Quade could be a great manager
Its hard enough to determine whether guys are good or not when they’re managing much less see the future.
I hate to be repetitive...
…but here is the reality history should have taught us by now:
No one the Cubs hire is going to be considered a “great” manager if decision making from above does not improve. I am convinced the cart is being put in front of the horse, and unless Ricketts has something up his sleeve, we are likely to see further dissappointment.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Honesty compels me to say,
based on my extensive experience, I will wholeheartedly support whoever gets the job, and I hate to say this…………. but ultimately whoever becomes the new manager will probably disappoint and embarrass this old Cub Fan……………………end of story.
Hey Lou, we're long overdue.
The more interesting question may be, "Who will be named manager in mid-2013?"
The next manager is sort of set up to be a sacrificial victim. The current roster is overaged and undertalented, and that is unlikely to be seriously fixed for 2011 – especially give the recent statement from Ricketts that payroll wil fall next year.
And a bad 2011 may lead to an even lower payroll in 2012, as the family scrounges for $$$$ to meet short-term debt repayment requirements. If that happens, the 2011-2012 offseason will not be the promised land, and the team will still need a 1B, a 3B, and a #1 quality starter.
This is why...
…my current thinking (albeit scrambled), has me thinking it may indeed be Quade. If Ricketts does give Hendry another year before he is out the door, how can you tie up a manager for long term with a new GM coming in? You could do it, but it is not the ideal circumstance to judge the new GM on.
Quade would only require a 2 year deal and if you have to fire him (or not renew him), it won’t have the ballon bursting affect doing the same to an icon like Sandberg.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I think they may try to make a run for Girardi
Beyond Hendry’s praise of Quade, there doesn’t seem to be movement in that direction. Granted it is still early, but I wonder if Hendry is really serious about Quade as a manager.
I have PMS & a GPS -- which means -- I am a bitch, and I will find you.
by cub in louies nest on Oct 5, 2010 6:20 PM CDT reply actions
CUBS STILL IN REBUILDING STAGE
Lou Pinellla, Fully retired. YES they need MGR to work with younger players. I am a big CUBS fan one way or another. I think 2011 with newest manager will be questionable as they get resettled with new manager. Then 2012 after everybody has had time to get resettled with new manager especially VETS they should be able to come out and kick some BUTT.
If 2011 is fast readjustment 2011 will be our season otherwise 2012 may be the season to look out for. Either way I hope to see a good experienced manager accept the position. I know the fans would love to see Ryno get the position. What good does that do if he is unable to make the proper offensive and defensive decisions?
Honestly...
Will it make any difference who’s the next manager? I mean, frankly, let’s face it, this is a losing ballclub no matter who’s in the managerial seat. Yet more grim years ahead, folks.
Joe's Replacement
If, and that is a big if, Joe Girardi opts to becomes the next manager of the Cubs, who will replace Joe in NY?
same as
everone else i want sandberg but i think quade will get the job.

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