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Per this article at Chicago Breaking Sports, the Cubs are adding a pricing tier to tickets next year -- making five tiers in all -- but say there will be reductions in the other four pricing tiers, making many season tickets cost less:
Cubs Chairman Tom Ricketts sent letters to season-tickets holders on Friday informing them of the changes.

The Cubs have not announced their ticket prices, and did not reveal exact numbers. Invoices will go out to season-ticket holders in a week or so, the Cubs said.

Cubs president Crane Kenney said the new "marquee" price tier will consist of 13 games, including Opening Day and three series against the New York Yankees, the White Sox and St. Louis. The Cubs said these games will have about a 12 percent average increase, but the "average season ticket holder will see flat," because of the reductions in some platinum, gold, silver and bronze games.

"Unfortunately, it's not as simple a message as your (saying) invoice will be the same as last year," Kenney said. "Overall, you will see flat, but for instance, our bleacher season-ticket holders will see a reduction.

The highest ticket price, for a marquee club box, will be $112, or $126 including the 12 percent amusement tax. The previous highest price tier was the platinum, with the highest ticket price at $100, or $112 with the tax. The least expensive is $8 bronze ticket for upper reserved grandstand seats.

The Cubs said 550,000 more tickets, or about a 77 % increase from 2010, will be available for $20 or under.

I have not yet received this letter -- in the past such letters have come by email, if so, I will post the entire text here. If it comes by snail-mail, I'll scan it and also post a copy here.

UPDATE: letter from Tom Ricketts received. I have posted it in the comments.

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Seagulls will be charged $5 for bleacher seats in 2011…down from the $6 charge they paid this year…

by bergs55 on Oct 8, 2010 2:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, but seagulls

get all you can eat with each ticket, so its a good deal.

by Neifi Puppy on Oct 8, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Funny thing.

I did not see the seagulls at all in September — no matter what time the game was, noon, 1:20, 3;10 or 7:05.

They must have been turned off by the team’s play, too.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Oct 8, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or, since the bleachers were half-full at best....

their free spread all over the outfield had gotten significantly smaller. The “early birds” gobbled it up, and the buffet was not being re-stocked.

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Oct 8, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

A ticket to Opening Day will now cost you

your two first born, your house, your car, and your pet.

VWR, here I come!!!!!

There are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. Who says baseball isn't a religion?

by Zeke on Oct 8, 2010 2:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Makes sense.

I like this approach, though I would like to see more details.

by elgato on Oct 8, 2010 2:25 PM CDT reply actions  

I assume I'll get some in this letter.

I’ll post them when I get them.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Oct 8, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I feel a bit like Eric Cartman vs. Scott Tenorman here.

D98: Hello, sir, my name is Kris Kristofferson. I’m with the IRS. I’m here to collect ten dollars that you owe for… um… back taxes… for income earned for lousy games in the “silver” and “gold” tiers last year.

CRANE KENNEY: You’re not from the IRS! You’re just that guy who wants to buy the cheapest possible tickets every year and wants us to stop paying middle relievers $5M every year!

D98: /totally busted, pauses to think

D98: Tax evasion is a very serious offense, sir! I suggest that you…

CRANE KENNEY: Alright alright. We’re totally lowering the price of tickets for some games in some tiers next year. As a goodwill gesture, I’ll even give you a refund for one of those low-value “silver games” you bought last year, right now!

D98: You will? Oh, cool!

CRANE KENNEY: How much did I charge you for a 500 level Wednesday night in April “silver-game” ticket? Uh, oh yeah. Ten dollars. You got change for a twenty?

D98: Oh. Um, let’s see.
D98: /pulls out some money
D98: I only got six dollars and twelve cents.

CRANE KENNEY: Oh. well… that’s okay. Here. Just… give me the six dollars. And then I’ll give you my twenty.

D98: …Okay.

CRANE KENNEY: Now, give me the silver-game ticket stub, and I’ll give you back two dollars.

D98: Right.

CRANE KENNEY: Now, give me the twelve cents, and I’ll give you this this marquee-game ticket.

D98: Cool!

CRANE KENNEY: And then give me the twenty and the marquee-level ticket, and I’ll give you this GOLD-level ticket to a Wednesday April afternoon game vs. defending NL Central champ Cincy!

D98: Neat!

CRANE KENNEY: Now I give YOU back the silver-game ticket stub, and you give ME the two dollars.

D98: Of course.

CRANE KENNEY: /goes back into Wrigley with the money and marquee ticket.

D98: Sweet!

D98: /realizes that the team can ostensibly lower prices while making more money by reclassifying games upward in tiers

D98: Aw, dammit.

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by D98 on Oct 8, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

So you're making chili con carne, eh?

Continuing the trend, if you could bring Radiohead to Wrigley I’d love you forever :)

"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck

by Musicdude10 on Oct 8, 2010 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

This in no way motivates me to buy tickets

For the first time since I was old enough to buy my own tickets I have zero plans to purchase a Cubs ticket before Opening Day. The Ricketts are in for a rude awakening this February.

by JSB on Oct 8, 2010 2:27 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

You may very well be right.

… unless significant roster moves are made and some hope given.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Oct 8, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

They still might not get it until then.

If February sales are way below expectations (and the announcement that the payroll is shrinking next year gives me no reason to think sales will be good), the Ricketts might finally realize that we’re not putting up with any crap going forward. I can’t say I’m definitely not buying tickets before Opening Day, but I can with certainty that I’m taking a wait and see approach to see how this offseason goes.

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Oct 8, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

me too...

I feel the same way and hope that message is conveyed in February…

by Spydey on Oct 8, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

These replies ought to make them consider very carefully the pricing levels.

Also, if they really do send invoices out in a week or two? The payments better not be due till January.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Oct 8, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ditto

I can’t afford it, and I could have gotten tickets day-of cheaper than what I paid for them at the beginning of the year. I’ll still go to games, I just won’t be buying them in February.

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by mykalmorgan on Oct 11, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

The scary thing is.... This is what I suggested they do.

During all the back and forth re my arguement that the Cubs had screwed ticket sales by focusing on the "premium " sales ( at an added fee before they went on sale to the public) I had argued that instead of screwing around with a set up that took nearly all the attention away from regular game sales, they should just up the price of the most desired games since that was what people were using the premium thing for. To me this makes sense. Charge the most for the most popular games, but level the playing field in terms of both how they are sold and pricing of other games. Of course I suspect the Cubs will still try to get more with a similar pre game sale pricing plan. However charging more for the games that are in the highest demand and lowering others is a smart move though of course the devil is in the details.

FYI AL. Congrats on the “bleacher” reduction. Easily the most overpriced so MAYBE they are learning.

"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Oct 8, 2010 2:30 PM CDT reply actions  

For the zillionth time

It had NOTHING to do with what you claimed, that “attention” wasn’t taken away, that there was no “buzz”.

Too many games were in the highest price tier, not enough in the lowest. They have fixed that.

The rest of the problem with sales was the poor team and the poor economy. They can fix the first one — the second one, not so much. We’ll see what they do with single game tickets.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Oct 8, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

For the 10 zillinth time

The web site listed the premium pre sale until the day before tickets went on sale and put it
UP front , largely ignoring regular sales. The wristbands were not even ON THE WEB SITE
How is this NOT ignoring "regular " sales? The “premium” pre game sales were concentrated by a huge margin to the very hottest games ( such as the White Sox Saturday which was gone in FIVE minutes when no game had “fallen” in less than 30 before?). It allowed people to easily get the “big” games and by pass any others.

FYI after the first day of sales showed how bad sales were , you assured me there was plenty of time and sales would be just fine . They were not, and the whole thing was handled terribly
Sure the economy and a bad team hurt, but the Cubs marketing behaved in a way that discouraged buying of regular tickets and just took for granted they would eventually sell. The whole point I made over and over and over ( which you disputed) was that they needed to sell as many tickets BEFORE the season started and downplaying day of game sales while again making it easy to get the ’hardest games" a disastrous way to do this

"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Oct 8, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

...

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 8, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

For the 100 zillionth time,

Can’t you two resolve this?

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 8, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh it's on...

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by Gibbon Jockey on Oct 8, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends

 

 
We’re so glad you could attend
Come inside! Come inside!
There behind a glass is a real blade of grass
be careful as you pass
Move along! Move along!

Come inside, the show’s about to start
guaranteed to blow your head apart
Rest assured you’ll get your money’s worth
The greatest show in Heaven, Hell or Earth
You’ve got to see the show, it’s a dynamo
You’ve got to see the show, it’s rock and roll …
 
Emerson, Lake and Palmer
 

If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.

by eths on Oct 8, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

+ 1000000 for the gratuitous eclectic 70's rock star reference

They were an awesome band. The California Jam gig they did was genius.

Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..

coda

ELO, 1975

by cubnational on Oct 10, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're still wrong.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Oct 8, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I did stop it.

She’s wrong.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Oct 8, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whatever.

She’s still wrong.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Oct 8, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly how?

I said the Cubs were making a huge mistake by pushing the premium pre-sale and virtually ignoring regular first day sales. I said that instead of letting people jump the line for a 15% to get the most desirable games and therefor temper demand for the rest of the games, they should just raise the price across the board for these games. They would make more and it would not distract from the day of game sales. You repeatedly said I was wrong. When the ticket sales on the first day were way down, you repeatedly said this was nothing and they would eventually sell out.
They didn’t and now you say oh it was the economy ( sorry the crappy play does not count here because my whole point was they needed to focus on selling the tickets BEFORE the season started as they had in the past). Your story keeps changing, mine is the same.

Look I KNOW this is beating a dead horse but just go look at those threads and see what was said back in Feb.

Sorry I was a way for a few hours. No more dead horses. Just look back at the threads

"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Oct 8, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I said it was the economy from day one.

Obviously, the poor team play contributed to the lack of sellouts. They weren’t going to sell out before the season no matter what kind of buzz they had. Why do you think they had premium price presales? To sell tickets at higher prices to games that were going to sell out anyway.

You’re still wrong.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Oct 9, 2010 6:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Per above I specifically suggested in Feb.

they make that small group of most desirable games higher priced because they would sell out anyway and the Cubs would make money across the board for all tickets not just the ones they let people jump the line to buy. A season late but they are doing it. You kept saying how they would in fact sell out and I was exaggerating the bad sales, didn’t know the "real’ number etc. Again go back and read the threads. Heck there is even one where you said you would admit you were wrong if the Cubs did not sell between 3.1 & 3.2 million but I am going to take a wild leap and say you think was too high a numbers only declining by another 3% is a success.

Sorry for the pissing match folks but like I said go back and look
and those hundreds of rants in Feb, March & April. I got ridiculed then and I feel I have a right to point that out.

"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Oct 9, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're still missing the point.

Your reason for the decline in sales was, and is, incorrect. Yes, many games did not sell out. They wouldn’t have unless the Cubs had cut prices by 80% — which they did, and pissed off bleacher season ticket holders, for seven games in June and July.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Oct 9, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good lord.

I sure hope my arm and leg are ready to be detached, because I’ll likely have to sell them in order to afford the tickets to the Cubs-Yankees series in June.

And I’m almost certainly getting two tickets per game.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 8, 2010 2:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Well assuming my seats go up 12% that would make them about $56

Which I don’t think is insane for such a big game ( Mind you I plan to scalp them as I don’t come in for interleague). If that makes a Thursday game in June against the Astros down to say $32 that seems fair.

"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Oct 8, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I WILL TAKE THOSE YANKEE TICKETS

Please :)

"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck

by Musicdude10 on Oct 8, 2010 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I honestly dont care who I see the Cubs play....I will buy the cheapest, best seats I can get.

I would never pay more to see the Yankees play at WF…Bleh :(

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Oct 8, 2010 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

unfortunately, there are a bunch of Yankee buffoons who will pay twice as much

which I guess is ok if you are the one taking advantage of them thar Yankee idjits anyway.

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by VegasCubFan on Oct 8, 2010 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry I need the money to offset the other costs

If you want nice tickets to "regular’ game let me know.

"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Oct 8, 2010 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

No kidding, man...

I was hoping to get 4 decent seats for just 1 game but now….geez

Counting the days until 4/1/11...

by mikegncb34 on Oct 8, 2010 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

$20 and under tickets

are probably for games on Tuesday nights in April, 30 degrees, wind off the lake at 45 MPH. I joke, but somewhat. Many of us out of town fans don’t want to risk an expensive weekend then have the weather be like this. We don’t do mid-week games because we work and it’s a long drive. We’re left paying the highest prices to go in May-June-July weekends. l would like to go to more games if the price for bleachers didn’t make me take out a home equity loan for the entire weekend in Chicago.

Sandberg for manager!

by mrcubsfan on Oct 8, 2010 2:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Unfortunately, this is a supply and demand issue.

You out of towners and those of us who live in Chicago are both vying for weekend, big-name games. The Cubs can charge more because more people want to buy.

Tuesday nights in April are more for the in-town fans, and to get more of us to the ballpark, the Cubs need to charge less.

It’s kinda like how natural gas costs the most when you need it to keep your house warm. It sucks, but that’s the way it is.

by elgato on Oct 8, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know, I know.

$20 bleacher seats and $50 hotel rooms are not coming back. If they did, I would come to a lot more games.

Sandberg for manager!

by mrcubsfan on Oct 8, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sounds like us ....

Wind chill, high prices, long drive, catch the Amtrak and head home tired and almost broke . Ricketts had better be careful as fans are watching every last dime . I am not sure if he understands the middle class .

by cubs north on Oct 8, 2010 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Many season tickets costing less?

My read of the article is that ONLY bleachers season tickets will go down. Many, perhaps, but not that many.

More interestingly, the bleachers and grandstands won’t have the same tiers. What may be a premium game for the grandstand may not be inthe bleachers and vice versa.

My seats in the Outfield Field Box are not going down, I am sure. I root for ‘flat.’

Wherever you go, there you are!

by Dan Serafini on Oct 8, 2010 3:06 PM CDT reply actions  

They better hope...

…for a good start in 2011 to keep the interest going, otherwise things could get ugly pretty quick.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 8, 2010 3:11 PM CDT reply actions  

amen

I am have bad flashback of games in the late 70’s and early 80’s with about 6,000 in the stands all chanting “We Want a Hit! We Want a Hit!” trying to rally Barry Foote to get a hit in the 9th inning of a 7-2 defecit.

by socalbob on Oct 8, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I remember those days well...

…but I think that atmospher is long gone.

With that said, a bad start to 2011 will have the empty seats accumulating a lot quicker than they did in 2010.

Right now, the chances of this team winning 80 or more games doesn’t look good.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 8, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whether or not that turns out to be true....

… preseason ticket sales are likely to be light.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Oct 8, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe if that chant changes

to “We expect a Hit,” the Cubs, will, you know, get a hit :)

"We gotta circle the bandwagons." - Devin Hester

by Jose's Eyelid on Oct 9, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I actually take a different tack...

I think the Cubs should make Bleacher seats $100 a pop. Make their money off that crowd and drop prices on everything else.

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by Gibbon Jockey on Oct 8, 2010 3:23 PM CDT reply actions  

I think the tickets should include transportation at no extra cost... ;-)

If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.

by eths on Oct 8, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

heehee....

From Deutschland…you get a pretty good deal in that case….

;)

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by Gibbon Jockey on Oct 8, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

ssshhhhh - not so loud....

If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.

by eths on Oct 8, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

dude..relax...I typed that in Prussian

nobody understands

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by Gibbon Jockey on Oct 8, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

They're pushing their luck with bleachers tix at $40 minimum a pop.

They have managed to keep the bleachers full (until the second half of 2010) at those prices. I agree with Doggie: the bleachers are by far the most overpriced seats. I sat in the bleachers twice this year, once on Billy Williams statue night (because the wind was howling out and since I was a walk-up, I thought it would be good to be in the bleachers), and the other time for my bachelor party because we needed the G.A. seating. But before this year, it had been a few years since I had been in the bleachers. I just don’t see them as a good value, and honestly, I saw for myself the college party atmosphere in the bleachers which I didn’t care for. It is worse than I thought.

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Oct 8, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

here's the thing, tho...

while the Bleachers were half full, I am a bit curious as to how many of those “seats” were sunk in to scalpers who couldn’t unload.

Others have way more insight into ticket sales – the bleachers especially – than I do.

All that said, it obviously isn’t feasible to raise prices that substantially considering the current atmosphere, but when the outlook is positive for the Cubs, I say gouge the hell out of every person that wants to by Single Game Seats in the Bleachers.

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by Gibbon Jockey on Oct 8, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

My guess is...

… that a fair number of tickets sold last year, which showed up as “no-shows”, were actually purchased by brokers for resale, including some season tickets held by brokers.

Further guess: the number of such tickets sold next year is going to be pretty close to zero.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Oct 8, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

that makes sense

I’m sure someone out there has a more personal financial understanding of the scalping game, but my impression is that it’s BOOM or BUST and the long-time players function more along the lines of a corner bookie that knows how to marginalize risk.

Related, I would love to know how many season tickets are owned by brokers. For all the talk about waiting list, those tickets aren’t going anywhere even if the Cubs went 0-162.

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by Gibbon Jockey on Oct 8, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Quick Poll

How many season tickets don’t get renewed this year? I’ll say 1,500.

by Chi-Fed on Oct 8, 2010 4:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Under

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by Gibbon Jockey on Oct 8, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm still undecided...

…but if anybody is interested in buying them for at least the next few seasons (playoffs included), send me an email and we can discuss. I have 4 UD Box seats…

by bergs55 on Oct 8, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

WAY over.

Based on some posts here, I’d say it could be way more than that.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Oct 8, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, of course not.

My sense from seeing posts here and talking to people at the ballpark is that a LOT of people are not renewing.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Oct 8, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I heard some of those people too.

You could be right. But I think there are some who are saying that who are full of it. I saw one that said she was a ticket holder for 28 years and wasn’t going to renew. She sounded dead serious. But hearing her talk about conventions and the Cubs games she went to in the 40’s and seeing her dripping in Cubs gear from her hat and earrings to her shoes, I was like “yeah..right”. I bet by the time of renewal many of them will lose their resolve.

Look into my eyes!

by katie casey on Oct 9, 2010 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's a good question.

You may be right. Or those people may get their invoices and say, “Screw it.” We won’t know until next spring.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Oct 9, 2010 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'll double down on your last losing BCB $ wager to me

Nothing or double…..

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by Gibbon Jockey on Oct 8, 2010 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Under

Counting the days until 4/1/11...

by mikegncb34 on Oct 8, 2010 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Everyone was saying the payroll would go down in 2011...

but Ricketts said it will stay about the same. Which I’m guess means, it’s going down a little. I like he mentioned players like Castro, Marmol, Marshall, Cashner, and Colvin. I guess this means these are they guys that the Cubs want to build around. He seems like he wants to go the Twins way in rebuilding,rather than the Red Sox and Yankees way he mentioned when he first became the owner.

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by Cubbiegoon on Oct 8, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

he said

ML payroll will go down but the overall budget will remain the same:

What I can tell you is that our overall baseball budget (scouting, player development and payroll) will be about the same in 2011 as it was in 2010…this likely means a shift of some of our resources from the major league payroll toward scouting and player development…

by hansman1982 on Oct 8, 2010 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

which is EXACTLY

what i’ve been pining for and suggesting would make the most sense

it also illustrates that the two budgets aren’t operated independently which was something that was a point of contention over in the past.

this makes me excited on two fronts:

1) they’re not idiots and they understand where the team is

2) they’re not idiots and the realize the two budgets can be allocated differently based upon where the team is in cycle of non-contention

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Oct 8, 2010 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting comments

Until we see some actual improvements in their spending in the draft and on international free agents, it’s just words though. They need to put their money where their mouth is. You can’t repeatedly say you want to be the Red Sox and not spend like them in the draft. Next year’s draft is supposed to be loaded. They better retain all their picks (no stupid Type A free agent signings) and spend plenty of money on over-slot guys.

by JSB on Oct 11, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

That would also coincide with another Ricketts' statement

Moving towards a younger Cubs team. You can’t do that by spending in the FA market on older players.

"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas

by RiskyBusiness on Oct 8, 2010 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yay ....

… maybe he gets it? Let’s see some six figure bonuses for 16 yr old DR and Venazuelian (people from Venezuela) prospects.

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by Jose's Eyelid on Oct 9, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here it is...

 Blah Blah Blah, me and my family thank you for making us even more millions and even though our team sucks and will continue to suck we’ve found a way to rewrite prices to both charge you the same and make more money in the end.
 
Hopefully our team don’t suck but it will and Hendry is gonna find us a manager and we should trust him since he’s done so little winning and so much spending since he’s been here.

 In ending I write really nice but rest assured another year of losing is ahead and I want you to be the 1st to know how much we want you to buy more tickets so me and my family can get even richer. If your lucky you will see at the ballpark and I will shake your hand and talk really nice and say all the right things so I can sucker you into padding my families pockets even more. If you think you can see right through me, just remember I always have the I been here only a year excuse and you can always moan and groan on a internet blog but just know we need your money too.

P.S. No I’m not smart enough to Fire Jim Hendry and Carrie Muskrat so stop asking and remember me and my family are fans too(Especially of finding ingenious ways of getting you to pad our pockets even more)!

Always wanting more of you hard earned money for nothing,
Tom

by cubsluver22 on Oct 8, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Wooh.....................Wooh................................WooooohooohoooWhoo!

*not to be confused with that other abomination that doesn’t include any “h” in his screaming.

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by Gibbon Jockey on Oct 8, 2010 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

"In order to be the man, you've got to beat the man!"

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by ballhawk on Oct 8, 2010 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you completely certain this couldn't be a FanPost?

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 8, 2010 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Could have been, but...

… i already made the post and said I would post the letter when I got it.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Oct 8, 2010 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Grandstands?

Have not heard them use that term in a while. Do they mean the back of the upper deck or the entire former “grandstand” as in upper and lower deck?

"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Oct 8, 2010 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I read this as the latter

as in, everything that’s not the Bleachers.

by ChipSet on Oct 9, 2010 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Reading between the lines my best guess is

Bleacher season ticket holders will see some reduction in price. Club & Field Infield and possibly outfield will see slight increase. Full season ticket holders in the Terrace and upper deck boxes will be about the same. The biggest percentage increase is likely to be the combo packages since they contain they contain most of the “Marquis” games but few if any Bronze games.

"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Oct 9, 2010 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

A 12% increase...

for tickets to ANY game is absolutely ridiculous.

by kanderber on Oct 8, 2010 5:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Clearly an attempt...

…to gouge the games that will have high demand, and temper that by saying other tiers may go down a tad.

With these prices and a bad economy, I don’t think a club should ever raise ticket prices (of any kind) if they can’t win more games than they lose.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Oct 8, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

The headline and quick snippet of this is “Cubs add new pricing tier, reduce overall prices” when in reality I’m guessing that overall, prices are going up.

This is a PR move.

by kanderber on Oct 8, 2010 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

No this does make sense

There is a group of hot games that brokers will go for and people will pay for the nose for. I am fine if they realize it is a VERY specific group of games. You don’t have to go to one of those 13 games and if they are sincere about lowering the cost for other games than it should work.

"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Oct 8, 2010 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

what happens when WF is full of yankee, cardinal and sox fans

and Cub fans are home watching on TV sick of the price jacking?

ok, we know that wont happen, but seriously just imagine it happening

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"I could be writing this crap!" -- Crow T. Robot
Me: Q: I can run but not walk. Wherever I go, thought follows close behind. What am I?
Wrigster A: Theriot

by Cubbie-Tim on Oct 8, 2010 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

All they're doing...

is seemingly lowering the price of tickets that no one bought this year anyways. It’s a simple attempt to get more people into the stadium, with the hope that those people will spend the same amount of money on beer and other concessions as the people paying the new increased price on other tickets.

by kanderber on Oct 9, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

+ bingo

Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..

coda

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by cubnational on Oct 10, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of course but that is what they are supposed to do.

They are slowly realizing that the overeached on both the Bleacher ticket price and the
very high price for lower demand games,
What would you expect them to do?

"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Oct 10, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

one trend I have noticed is that they put entire an series in one tier

a Saturday game in July against Pittsburgh is in more demand than the Friday game against Pitt, and should be in priced in a seperate tier, IMO. A Saturday game against Houston in April is in more demand than the previous Friday. don’t they grasp that?

by holy mackeral on Oct 8, 2010 5:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Apparently not.

But you are correct. Entire series shouldn’t necessarily be priced the same. We’ll have to wait and see how they price individual games next year. Maybe they’ve fixed this.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Oct 8, 2010 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also gotta love the "exclusive season ticket holder benefits"

EXISTING BENEFITS FOR SEASON TICKET HOLDERS
-Season Ticket Holder web page
-Dedicated Season Ticket Account Representative
-Free subscription to Vine Line the official team magazine of the Chicago Cubs
-Chance to participate in any non-baseball special event ticket lotteries
(i.e. concerts, etc.)
-Special access to pre-sale for Cubs Spring Training tickets
-Exclusive end-of-the-year Season Ticket Holder gift
-Exclusive Season Ticket Holder open house events
-Chance to participate in exclusive Season Ticket Holder lunches
-Post-season ticket guarantee and priority
-Ability to donate tickets to select charitable organizations
-Opportunity to purchase additional tickets to individual regular season home games before they go on sale to the general public
-Ability to sell tickets on StubHub through the My Cubs Tickets online program
-Ability to transfer tickets electronically through the My Cubs Tickets online program

NEW SEASON TICKET BENEFITS FOR 2011
-Season Ticket hotline for ordering additional tickets throughout the season
-Access to exclusive Season Ticket Holder only webcasts with players, coaches and front office management
-Access to Chicago Cubs Insider Press Pass on Season Ticket Holder web page
(featuring game notes and Cubs media guide)
-Season Ticket reprint fees waived for first five requests
-Season Ticket Holder of the Month (includes game-day recognition and Season Ticket web page feature)

HEY TOM…
HOW ABOUT PUTTING A WINNING TEAM ON THE FIELD??? THAT’S ALL ANY OF US REALLY WANT…YOU CAN HAVE MY FREE SUBSCRIPTION TO VINELINE!!!

by bergs55 on Oct 8, 2010 5:33 PM CDT reply actions  

You mean the free hat was not enough for you last year?

or was this your first year. I forget.

"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Oct 8, 2010 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Free, shiny new hat

"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas

by RiskyBusiness on Oct 9, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Used to be a calendar...

Now it’s a Cubs hat that says “Season Ticket Holder” across the back. Now I know why people giggle when I wear it :)

by bergs55 on Oct 9, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I liked the calendar

That was an easier re-gift at Christmas.

"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas

by RiskyBusiness on Oct 9, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Chicago Wolves give you a "Alpha Wolf" Jersey

Texas Stars an autographed Stars Jersey….these are AHL teams. Cubs should be able to do at least that good

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by Cubbie-Tim on Oct 10, 2010 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right.

I don’t think I’ve worn the “Season Ticket Holder” cap once.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Oct 10, 2010 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I actually wear it a lot

I got the one that says " Season Ticket Holder, 20+ Years" on it. Might as well wear my insanity for all to see.

"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Oct 10, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I saw a bunch on Opening Day

back when the Ricketts themselves were shiny and new.

"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas

by RiskyBusiness on Oct 10, 2010 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am holding my breath

regarding the “Season Ticket ‘Hotline’ for ordering additional tickets throughout the season.”

I question how this will work – if at all. I had asked about this for years.

Anyway – my ticket rep is three years out of college.

While very “nice”, she rarely goes out of the way in the least to do something extra considering the amount of money we have pumped into the Cubs coffers for Box Daily plans over the last 6 years.

One time, I asked her to “hook me up” for access parking for my 90 year old dad who was visiting over the summer. All she did was point me down the road to the next person, instead of helping me herself.

Then, I was charged for the privilege.

Not that I couldn’t afford it, but when spending over $16,000 for tickets for a crappy team could it hurt to comp ONE parking pass ONE time for a senior who does not move around too well?

If I was lucky enough to have a client who spent this kind of money for my services, you can bet that I would make them feel absolutely pampered. And, I do my job more successfully than A-Ram, DLee or John Grabow did this year for the team on behalf of my clients!

by The E-Man on Oct 9, 2010 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Al,

Will you put up your invoice for us again, or at least the price sheet like you did last year? It was very helpful when trying to plan things out.

Counting the days until 4/1/11...

by mikegncb34 on Oct 8, 2010 6:38 PM CDT reply actions  

When I get the pricing sheet, yes, I'll post it.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Oct 9, 2010 6:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

Counting the days until 4/1/11...

by mikegncb34 on Oct 9, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would love for Kenney to explain exactly how

this is a good thing. Considering the fact that payroll will be cut for next year, and the Cubs are going into a rebuilding phase, how is it they feel they can jack up prices on their marquee games when there is no supply and demand factor right now that would justify their ability to do so?

Prove you can win and the fans will start coming back in force, then raise ticket prices.

by troutfishin on Oct 8, 2010 6:51 PM CDT reply actions  

ask yourself how much would you pay for a bleacher ticket to see the Yankees play the Cubs at Wrigley Field

Perhaps more importantly, how much do you think you could sell a Yankees/Cubs bleacher ticket for on eBay or CraigsList?

That’s why they can jack up the prices on their marquee games. Limited supply and plenty of demand.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Oct 8, 2010 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

You can always get a standing room ticket the day of the game for $15-20, even to the high demand games

I can’t remember the last time I paid above face value for a regular season ticket to a Cubs game at Wrigley Field no matter how marquee the opponent was.

by magicblue on Oct 8, 2010 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry Ballhawk, but this Cubs organization

is at a crossroads, trying to figure out if they have the stomach for a long term overhaul or keep with the status quo. At this point in time there isn’t the demand to justify a 12% increase in “premium” games, it’s bad business pure and simple.

BTW, did anyone notice this year that the organization put out tourist liasons to help direct the tourist crowd around the ballpark, complete foolishness. The organization found out that 35% of attendance is tourist related, so they decided to ramp up their efforts to cater to Mr. and Mrs. John Doe Iowa to ensure their enjoyment. The problem is they didn’t identify the people that stopped showing up this year, tourist or local. Seems to me they better start concentrating on putting out a decent product on the field rather than placating the Wrigley tourist or they can wave goodbye to the locals.

by troutfishin on Oct 8, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

btw, the photo used in this post might be a good one to start practicing your detective skills on

Obviously it’s the bleachers, but the chain link fence in the background is throwing me off. Could this be from before the bleacher expansion? If it’s from this year, then I guess it’d have to be the top of the upper section in center field. That’s the only area I can think of that still might have the chain link fence.

But it seems like there ought to be open sky behind the fence if it were center field. Instead there’s a variety of buildings which leads me to believe this is from right field, and those are the Sheffield Ave. rooftop buildings behind it. Shadows make sense for right field as well. But that half-aisle in the upper left corner is confusing me…

I’m going with right-center field, pre-expansion era, i.e. before 2006.

But I take a last look at it and now I notice the two kids clinging to the fence, and they appear to be on the other side of the fence. That doesn’t make any sense. So I don’t know what to think.

Anyone else have any insights?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Oct 8, 2010 10:29 PM CDT reply actions  

It's from this year.

You can tell by the back fence — it’s not the chain-link fence that used to be there. Look at the green posts that show up every so often on that fence — those aren’t the old posts. If you look at the sun angle, it’s right field. Also, in the old bleachers there were no aisles like the one you see at the left — all the steps went completely up and down in the aisles, not stop halfway like those.

I deliberately hid the caption on the photo because there was no real need for one — the photo was taken on July 21, 2010 in the 11th inning of a 4-3, 12-inning loss to the Astros.

If I think of it later today when it’s lighter, I’ll take a photo of the same location from the Wrigley webcam and post it here. Or you can look yourself.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Oct 9, 2010 6:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

ahh... it makes sense now (as it usually does)

It was the fence that was confusing me – I saw fence and assumed chain link fence which would have meant old bleachers. But upon further review (see, if I can do it, why can’t you Bud?), I see it’s not chain link but that diamond-pattern mesh-looking stuff along the back of the top row.

I think I’ll stick to street homers by Cubs pitchers – something I know…

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Oct 9, 2010 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't the cement 2 different colors also?

Underneath the bleachers? It looks like older/weathered and newer/bleacher expansion cement.

"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas

by RiskyBusiness on Oct 9, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Correct.

The first seven or eight rows worth of concrete were not demolished in the reconstruction — that’s why those look older, they ARE older. They were reinforced, but not completely rebuilt. The upper rows — some of which are new — were rebuilt. The old bleachers in that part of RF had 12 rows. The new bleachers have 17.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Oct 9, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

wow .. that's a lot of spilled beer

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I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..

coda

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by cubnational on Oct 10, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

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