MLB Playoffs, Division Series Day Four: Heading For A Conclusion
We almost -- almost -- got through Day Three of the division series without an egregiously bad umpiring call, although the same umpire -- Paul Emmel -- who made Thursday's awful call at second base made a questionable one last night. If you haven't seen it, I expanded on my post regarding the Buster Posey incident yesterday at SB Nation Chicago.
That got Braves manager Bobby Cox tossed from a postseason game for the third time, but ultimately, his team prevailed in extra innings.
That's the only series that won't be swept; the Braves' 5-4, 11-inning win over the Giants assured us that series will go through at least Monday. The other three series could all be wrapped up tomorrow. That raises this issue: baseball now sets its LCS and World Series dates in stone before the season even begins. If three series wrap up by Sunday, those teams won't play again until at least Friday and possibly Saturday, a week from now. Should MLB reschedule its postseason series the way the NHL does, move them up? (I can hear Bud Selig now, "But how will we get hotel rooms?")
The two AL series are the only action today; please use this thread for all division series discussion all day -- it's supposed to function as a game thread as well as a discussion thread for other things about the playoffs. Again, if this thread gets slow for any reason, please post an overflow in the FanShot section.
All games on TBS; as last night, if the first one runs long, they'll start televising the second one on TNT.
4:00 pm CDT: Rays at Rangers. Rangers lead series 2-0. Announcers: Don Orsillo, Buck Martinez and Marc Fein. MLB.com Gameday for Rays/Rangers
7:30 pm CDT: Twins at Yankees. Yankees lead series 2-0. Announcers: Ernie Johnson, John Smoltz, Ron Darling and Craig Sager. MLB.com Gameday for Twins/Yankees
SB Nation game preview for Rays/Rangers
SB Nation game preview for Twins/Yankees
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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It wasn't egregious
but the force play at 2nd in the Reds/Phils game looked like a bad call.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
How many times does Bud have to tell you? MUST. NOT. INTERRUPT. PACE. OF. GAME.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
So far, all the arguments about this have slowed down blogging, at the very least.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Bud has more excuses than John Belushi begging Carrie Fisher for his life
by EalyEagle on Oct 9, 2010 10:30 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't disagree with the replay thing
but the bad call on the Posey play didn’t cost the Braves the game. Everyone who plays sports knows that there will be bad calls occasionally. You still have to make good pitches and get people out. I mean let’s be honest the third baseman should have made that play. He basically moved his glove out of the way of the ball to allow the run scoring single. The Braves have themselves to blame for that run scoring as much, it not more so, than the ump was to blame. The Rays should rightly be pissed about that check swing before Young hit the 3 run homer but it’s all academic if Qualls doesn’t serve up a gofer ball on the next pitch. Make good pitches and make plays in the field and overcome an occasional bad call.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
Nucks Misconduct chief curmudgeon and chief hunk.
by Section 312 on Oct 9, 2010 11:43 AM CDT reply actions
You don't know how the game would have been different...
… at 0-0 instead of the Giants leading. Maybe they pinch-hit for Lincecum. Maybe the Braves score. The point is, what happens on the field should be called correctly.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I agree.
It may not be obvious whether a bad call costs a game, but there are intangible things it could affect such as the momentum.
.
Look into my eyes!
You also don't know that the next batter after Posey
got caught stealing wouldn’t have gone deep. Maybe San Fran goes on to score 15 runs. Who knows. My point is simply that the call didn’t cost the Braves the game. Bad calls happen. You can’t stop playing and say that the bad call cost the game. You have to keep playing and executing. Great teams over come these mistakes or get themselves into positions where bad calls don’t affect the outcome. I am simply saying that since there isn’t replay at this point players have to be able to do their jobs, execute what needs to be done and find ways to win. No team is going to go through the playoffs without a call going against them.
Your point that the calls need to be correct is entirely true but is also entirely unrelated to my point.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
Nucks Misconduct chief curmudgeon and chief hunk.
by Section 312 on Oct 12, 2010 1:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Ankiel's HR
Watching replay of last night’s Giants-Braves game. They must’ve replayed Ankiel’s Bomb into the Bay 6 times. Never did TBS bother to estimate or mention how far that went. Just plain lazy on their part. I’m really surprised Brenly didn’t say something.
Helluva meatball
Belt-high and right in the middle of the plate.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Ex-Cub factor
Which ex-Cub are you rooting for the hardest to get a WS ring? Gotta be Kerry W. for me and most of us, tho I wouldn’t mind Farnsie or Fontenot getting one either….can’t get too motivated for D-Lee since he got one (at our expense) and sucked this year for Cubs. Part of me would be resentful if a resurgent Lee played key role in a Braves WS win, but he’s not a bad guy, just a bad 3-hitter for Cubs this year.
Anyone else I’m missing or not thinking of? Dusty? Man, the dude is snakebit!! Does Texas still have that ex-Cub backup INF with good glove?
Lee and Wood seem to be the most prominent.
Andy White!
As a Braves fan (second), I’m pulling for DLee to get a second ring. If the Braves can’t make the NLCS, then I’m pulling for Fonty.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Problem is if D-Lee gets a 2nd ring
Dr. Tightpants gets his first one. I do like the Braves, I just like the Giants more. I won’t be too upset if the Braves win but I would rather LBR have a ring.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 9, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Lee's got one.
Fontenot — sure, but he probably won’t play much in the postseason.
Kerry Wood — would love for him to get one, but it would mean the Yankees would win.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I think you mean't "can't be swept"
not “won’t be swept” unless you have peaked into the future.Twins & Rays in worse shape as they lost the first two games at home. I am hoping the Twins can at least win one game.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
Watching VH1's "Greatest One-Hit Wonders of the 80s"
They’ve mentioned some good ones – Oran “Juice” Jones, Johnny Kemp, Til Tuesday. But there’s some strange stuff there, too. XTC – not a one-hit wonder. “Der Kommissar” wasn’t even Falco’s biggest hit of the 80s…
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
NM - they're talking about After the Fire's cover
Probably bigger than Falco’s original, too.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Neneh Cherry!
Her breakdown on Prince’s “Alphabet St.” was better than “Buffalo Stance”, though.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Wall of Voodoo
Lots of cocaine there, people. Lots
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Did they mention Gary Numan (Cars)?
I’m going to see him at the Metro in a couple of weeks.
Look into my eyes!
Kinda came in in the middle
And it’s still going on – you can tune in if you want :D
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
who we gonna twirl for, coolio?

Boy I did enjoy watching the Braves finally stab the Giants in the heart last night.
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
ugh! I'm twirling for the Giants!!!!
….alone, I guess
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
Hmmm
Sorry hon, you’ll be on cruise control tonight .. ! I despise the Braves, but I’d like them to make it to the WS to see that old coot Cox get into it one last time.
Course, he asked for it getting tossed last night, I think. The call may have been bad, but losing his lunch over it was a little dumb.
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
I wanna see twins vs giants
the evil empire must be defeated!
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
I'd love to see Twins v Braves one last time
because it will never happen again once Cox is gone
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
Why not?
Pretty dull otherwise
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I'll say, I'm laid up with this arm, cant wait for baseball to start. then hockey later!
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
Wewt!
“Funkytown!”
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
You want music? THIS IS MUSIC ..
Quite possibly the most moving elegy of all time ..
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
How the hell did that hit #1? Ugh
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
how bout turning japanese? I loved that!
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
Awesome song
Shoulda been bigger. I’ve got a copy of Liz Phair covering it.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
these videos are awesome
sooooo ’80’s
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
"Man in Motion"
Always had a soft spot for this one.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Quintessential one-hit wonder there
Hard to pick something more appropriate. I think they may have made the single and never made an LP at all.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I had a cassette of theirs....I liked the whole thing
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
http://www.goats.com/archive/990630.html
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
And now...Paul Simon's wife
Singing words that don’t make any sense
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Coming next
Eddie Grant! Sweet…
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
are they still married?
I thought he married princess leia
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
That was marriage #2
Edie Brickell was #3 and still going, AFAIK
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Yeah
It’s gotta be the major key, but it does feature a Truck Driver’s Gear Change
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Oh, man
I love “Electric Avenue”. Just…love.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Powerful, catchy
Astounding – it makes me want to be a producer so I can find someone else who can make a track like that.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
thats how i feel about "here i go again" by whitesnake
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
Yeah, I think I'll miss the first hour of Rays-Rangers
To catch the rest of this.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Twisted Sister
Not exactly a one-hit wonder…
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
They had "Dear God" by XTC on earlier
And, of course, Madness. Both acts are still around and still putting out music.
I think I heard some Devo, too. I guess I shouldn’t expect too much from VH1.
Rockwell, OTOH – perfect.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
"You Spin Me"
Also good – powerful and catchy. Just a little too synthy, tho
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
"The Safety Dance"
Also a very, very good song.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Weird, weird video though
It was either that or “Karma Chameleon” that prompted the following:
Butthead: Is this supposed to be, like, the future?
Beavis: The future sucks! Change it!
Butthead: I may be cool Beavis, but I can’t change the future.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Now Devo
Sorry, VH1 – they’re still making music.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
yeah, they had more than one hit no?
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
Nothing that really charted in the US, though
I think that’s VH1’s criteria. Their cover of the Stones’ “Satisfaction” is freaking awesome.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Big Country, OTOH
Yeah – that’s a real one-hit wonder there. “In a Big Country” is pretty good, but not my fave on the list.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I'm not expecting to grow flowers in the desert
But I can live and breathe and see the sun in wintertime.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vhebiuuLqU
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
the side notes on these people are awesome
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
It's probably the best part
The Musical Youth guy was cool, too – “I had a #1 song!”
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Yep.
I just saw them for a Lollapalooza Pre-Party in August. The were so Fresh it almost makes me want to cry.
Look into my eyes!
Awesome that they have their own channel
I mentioned Satisfaction earlier
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I agree
A perfect deconstruction. I like Otis Redding’s cover just a tiny bit more, though.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
both are pretty cool in very different ways
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
There ya go :)
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
#11, if you're not watching
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
#10 - Frankie Goes to Hollywood
Never dug it all that much, even when I finally understood the lyrics
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
never knew where the shirts came from till now :)
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
Really?
I knew that one.
- - Kajagoogoo “Too Shy”
Never a favorite of mine.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
#9
Stupid SBN
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
#8 - Bow Wow Wow "I Want Candy"
Better than the original
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
#7 - Modern English "I Melt With You"
Huge hit – stuck around “120 Minutes” for years afterward
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
#6 - Toni Basil "Mickey"
Gwen Stefani can thank Toni Basil for showing her the way.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
#5 - Soft Cell "Tainted Love"
Lots of one-hit wonders have remade that track.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
#4 - Tommy Tutone "867-5309"
He still tours based on that song.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Flock of Seagulls "I Ran (So Far Away)"
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Or Naked Eyes' cover of "Always Something There to Remind Me"
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
no score in the game...top of the 3rd
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
#3 a-ha "Take on Me"
Good song, awesome video.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
#2 - Flock of Seagull "I Ran"
So close.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I saw them at a free retro concert about 9 years ago
They put on a damned good show all around. Best of the bunch in that group.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Sorry
They were playing with Gene Loves Jezebel and Chaka Khan. Chaka Khan was atrocious – I walked out after 2 songs.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
"Old School"?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I watched it a couple of years after the fact
Just to get the cultural references – it’s ok.
Frank is Will Farrell’s character in the movie. He’s called Frank the Tank as he’s doing beer bongs.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
#1 - Dexys Midnight Runners "Come On Eileen"
Good choice. :)
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Kevin Rowland is still bitter about being a one-hit wonder in the US
Poor baby.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Flipped over to the game
But Toni Basil is a helluva dancer – http://motionsvideo.com/toni-basil-street-beat/video-aXPu19VpKwM
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
That puts me 3 degrees away from her
I used to work with Micky Dolenz’s sister – very nice lady.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Hasn't Tightpants matured?
don’t feel a lotta love for him (if only he coulda locked down Fla in Game 6….) but not a lot of hate either. He’s been a better-than-avg. ML reliever now for 10 years. Seems his off-field antics (drinking benders, picking up chicks) had more to do with his rep than his actual performance. I think he’s had a few good years in a row now as setup man, never did deliver as closer for anyone, somewhat disappointing to him, no doubt (he’s made plenty of $$$).
The Cubs (Hendry) surely didn’t get much back for him in trade. Was in Robert Novoa?
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/news/050209farnsworth.html
In return for the fireballilng righty, the Cubs received Dominican righthander Roberto Novoa, outfielder Bo Flowers, and third baseman Scott Moore.
Novoa (per Wiki) He played 49 games for the Cubs in relief in 2005, pitching 44.2 innings with 47 strikeouts. In 2006, he entered 66 games, pitching 76 innings with 53 strikeouts. He was on the disabled list for the entire 2007 season with a shoulder injury. On October 16, 2007, Novoa was claimed off waivers by the Baltimore Orioles. He was released by the Orioles on July 29, 2008. On July 30, he signed with the San Francisco Giants and became a free agent at the end of the 2008 season. He played briefly for the Diablos Rojos del México of the Mexican League in 2009, appearing in 7 games before being released in April. In 2010, he appeared in 18 games for the Acereros de Monclova, also in the Mexican League.
Moore (Wiki) Moore was sent to the Chicago Cubs as one of four players traded for pitcher Kyle Farnsworth in 2005. Moore made his major league debut on September 4, 2006, against the Pittsburgh Pirates. He was called up again on July 20, 2007 to start at first base against the Arizona Diamondbacks after a suspended Derrek Lee and an injured Daryle Ward left the Cubs in need of a first baseman. Moore was sent down on July 24 after the suspension of Lee ended.
On August 31, 2007, Moore was traded from the Cubs to the Baltimore Orioles along with pitcher Rocky Cherry for starting pitcher Steve Trachsel. Moore was designated for assignment on February 10, 2009 to make room for Ty Wigginton on the 40-man roster. Moore joined the Triple-A Norfolk Tides.
Bo Flowers disappeared into the Peoria Chiefs and never made it to the bigs.
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
Matured some but not a lot
Was very disliked on the Yankees. Among other things as I recall he made some public criticism of
Clemens contract re allowing him to stay behind on road trips he was not scheduled to start in.. OK with me but not so much his teammates. Farnsworth as always been a loner wherever he played. I would not want him around.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 9, 2010 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
OK thanks
3 for 1 a chance one of them mighta panned out. would Cubs entertain Farnsy as a vet presence in bullpen at 5/6 M per or has he worn out his welcome on the North Side (I’m not referring to certain watering holes, I suspect he doesn’t hang out as much now that he’s married—I think—father of several.).
We need that "type’’ a presence maybe not him specifically. prefer Wood.
I'd prefer Wood.
I think Wood has more left in the tank as that “veteran presence”.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I don't think he's "worn out" the welcome .. but I dont see him coming back
Marmol would have kittens if he did .. and I don’t think Farns is going to be much of an improvement over Marmol.
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
Farnsworth would be a setup man, no threat to Marmol.
But as I said above, I’d rather have Wood back.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Wood is like Girardi, we let him go and he is not coming back
Wood has been better with the Yankess than anywhere else in years. He found his niche and they like him. Yes he wanted to stay in Chicago but that was then and this is now. He should get a nice new contract with the Yankees.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 9, 2010 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Funny
Ball taps the 3rd base bag
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I'm sick to death of this (old) avocado commercial
It helps that I don’t like avocados
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Keep that mess for yourself
The consistency makes me squirm.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I always thought squirming was a good thing
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
It's not with delight
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
yum yum
I am making a salad with one tonight.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 9, 2010 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Once again.... :D

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 9, 2010 5:27 PM CDT reply actions
I think they've earned the right to hold that trophy in perpetuity
They can play for the blue ox next.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Wait, you're a Badger fan?
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I lived around 90 miles north of Madison in the mid-1990s.
I went to a game against Michigan State at Camp Randall Stadium during that time. This was before the “Jump Around” tradition or the Ron Dayne years.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 9, 2010 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I need to make it back to Camp Randall Stadium at some point.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 9, 2010 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions
So yes, I am a Badgers fan.
I couldn’t watch today’s game for two reasons … one, I was stuck at work, and two, my TV package doesn’t include the Big Ten Network.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 9, 2010 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Colby Lewis seems to have trouble getting that 3rd out in an inning
Hasn’t hurt yet, tho
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Joyce TOOTBLAN
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Tie game
The Rays are as close to a win in this series as they’ve ever been
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Ugh
Andrus made that closer than it had to be – he’d’ve been safe by a step had he run through the bag
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I'm torn on Showalter
He’s obviously forgotten more about baseball than I’ll ever know, but he conveys it so poorly sometimes.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Andrus was out
Replay review now!
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Another missed call....
Al is going to have a fun October screaming for replay.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
"My favorite food is Macaroni and Cheese, from the blue box." Geovany Soto
I'M SCREAMING FOR REPLAY TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
:)
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
He's going to make a new post...
Why replay is good for baseball. Oh wait….
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 9, 2010 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Guerrero knows how to hit Garza
Make him throw you a strike
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
isn't chatroulette fun?
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
"My favorite food is Macaroni and Cheese, from the blue box." Geovany Soto
Never done it
Never felt a real need to see other dudes’ junk.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
It's funny though.
After seeing it on tosh.0, my friend and I went on it. You see some funny people and get to make fun of them! We found some cute 20 somethings on there. My friend kept yelling at everyone to show us their junk. Funny stuff!
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
"My favorite food is Macaroni and Cheese, from the blue box." Geovany Soto
tosh.0
Does that dude just rip off Fark for everything he ever does, or does it just seem that way?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
it does seems like its the tv version of Fark,
now that you mention it
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
He's an idiot and not funny.
I can make a TV show, too, that rips off Digg, Fark, and Reddit.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
When you're not worried about danger, things aren't as scary
Thanks for that tautology, Travellers. I’m never buying your products ever, now.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Kinsler puts the Rays in their comfy spot
Trailing
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Rays scored 3 first
Since only 6 runs can be scored in each game of this series, that means they win 4-2 by default. Bring on Twins-Yankees!
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Another stupid baserunning blunder by Andrus
Diving into 1st. Run through the damned bag, you moron!
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Hey, kids! Who wants to get drunk with grampa?

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
can I have some with pain killers?
I dont think so :(
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
Try this - obviously safe for all ages

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Jamie Moyer?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 9, 2010 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Wo hen hao, xiexie.
Ni ne?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 9, 2010 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope that means "very well, thank you
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
"I'm fine, thanks."
“And you?”
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 9, 2010 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions
cool and I'm doing well also, thanks!
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
I love the intro to the Hawks game on CSN
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
Stupid Rays
Should have been happy with the 4-2 I predicted. Way to bust up the magic, jerks.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
They're devils.
Devil Rays, to be exact.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 9, 2010 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
2-run homer
Made it 6-2
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
And now it's anarchy
TEX HR – 6-3, bottom 9, 2 out
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
And that's it
So 6 isn’t the magic number – it’s multiples of 3
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
So the game will end with a score of 9-6?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 9, 2010 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll predict 3-0 Rays in Game 4
And the Rangers winning Game 5 by a score of 4-2 to restore balance.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I didn't put OT in front of 50 comments about a one-hit wonders show
I think you’re ok.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Cano canoes into 3rd with a triple off the wall
Bottom 2, none out
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Posada single
Yanks lead 1-0
1 on, 1 in, 1 out
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Twins perpetrate a twin-killing
End 2, 1-0 Yankees
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
you think you can slide a Twin Peaks reference in there?
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
maybe it will bring them some luck
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
Never watched it
Judging from the posters on my friends’ dorm room walls, I was missing out on this:

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
jeez they look alot prettier here than what I remember on the show
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
That's a helluva lot of airbrushing going on there
But Sherilyn Fenn and Lara Flynn Boyle were on a lot of posters in the early 90s.

Talk about knowing your audience.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Here's one of the posters I remember! :D

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
wow Love this one!
I wanna be on the cover of the Rolling Stone!!!!
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
aww and thats the SRV memorial issue...love me some stevie ray!
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
I probably owned that issue
I was really into RS at that point in my life. I got over it.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I gotta say
I’m pulling for the Yankees to just win this game and put the Twins out of their misery. They obviously can’t beat them in the post-season, and maybe if the Yankees have to sit around for a week, they’ll be easy meat for the Rangers who will have to fight for their spot in the ALCS.
2-0 Yankees now.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
If the World Serie is Yankees-Phillies,
You can bet it will record low TV ratings. So much for giving people the teams they “want to see”.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 9, 2010 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow, I need to learn how to type. Let's try this again.
If the World Series is Yankees-Phillies, you can bet it will set record low TV ratings. So much for giving people the teams they “want to see”.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 9, 2010 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Why would that draw poor ratings?
Two of the largest TV markets in the nation and a nationwide fanbase for the Yankees is gold.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Yeah, but fans for the other 28 teams would be like
“Screw this, it’s the same-old, same-old.”
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 9, 2010 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions
That happens every year, anyway
So what TV wants is for big-market teams to be there so that the ones who do stick around bring a larger audience.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Damn Yankees.
Can’t wait to see them get swept at Wrigley next June.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 9, 2010 8:36 PM CDT reply actions
Jesus Christos.
That foul ball reminded me of one I saw at Wrigley on July 17. A foul ball rocketed into the right-field terrace reserved off the bat of a Philadelphia player, nailed a fan in the head, and wound up getting caught by fans way up in terrace reserved.
I saw the fans below waving, “come here”, and I thought the person who got hit was seriously injured. It turns out the fans by him/her wanted the fans in the terrace reserved to give the fan who got nailed the ball.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 9, 2010 8:39 PM CDT reply actions
Did I mention it's 4-0 now?
No? Well, it’s 4-0 now with Granderson on 3rd. Bottom 4, 1 out
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
5-0 on a sac fly
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Twins are dead. Sigh.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 9, 2010 8:49 PM CDT reply actions
le sigh also...I'm only rooting for the Giants then, once they're gone, I'm done :(
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
Dick Stockton slurps Tex
Tex promptly strikes out. Maybe the Yankees can get him fired now.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Smoltz makes golf analogy
The world remains in orbit around its sun.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
And Clutch16 continues talking to himself.
Hell has not frozen over yet.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 9, 2010 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not out drinking
That’s a plus, I guess.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Mini Twins rally brewing
2 on, 1 out in the 5th
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Cuddyer Ks
In a very Cublike fashion
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Danny Valencia (who is so young that people still call him Danny) flies out in the infield
Still 5-0 Evil Empire
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Kubel fails with RISP
Score remains 5-nil
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
GBA being sung
TV being muted
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Swisher jack
6-0
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
KW in
And getting hit. This game sucks even more now.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Woody gives up a Twins run
1st and 3rd, 1 out, Mauer coming up
6-1
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Bases full of Twins
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
And Woody is out
How high can his postseason ERA go? Let’s find out…
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Kubel RISP fail
Again
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
did you just copy and paste that?
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Oct 9, 2010 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
That would have taken longer than just typing it once more
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
And the rest of the Yank 'pen bails out Woody
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Mariano Rivera coming in to a non-save situation
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Danny Valencia (who is so young that people still call him Danny) flies out
Game over. Yankees sweep. Girardi to be retained for 3 more years as Yankee manager.
Soooo…Quade or Sandberg?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
did you just copy and paste that?
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Oct 9, 2010 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions
The "Danny" line?
Yep
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
no, the Yankees/Girardi part
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Oct 9, 2010 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions

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