Wrigleyville Classic: Illini Rout Northwestern In Classic Style
I love Wrigley Field and I'm not ashamed to admit it. I think everyone here knows that, and also should know that although I do love the ballpark, that's not my primary focus as a Cubs fan... it's winning the World Series, just as everyone else's here is.
But when the Cubs, Northwestern, Illinois and the Big Ten put on a spectacle as entertaining as today's 48-27 blowout by the Illini over the Wildcats, it shows off Wrigley to a national audience as the terrific place it is -- notwithstanding the rule changes forced yesterday by the Big Ten because the field was squeezed into an almost-too-small space.
For those of you who cried, "travesty", "joke" or "disaster" yesterday when the rule changes were announced, I say: kwitcherbitchin. Playing every offensive series facing the west end zone had absolutely no impact on the flow of the game. The officials seemed briefly confused the very first time they had to reposition the ball, but after that it all went smoothly. The east end zone actually did come into play when NU's Brian Peters returned an interception that way 59 yards for a touchdown. No players, brick walls or thick pads were harmed in the making of that score.
There was plenty of action at that end of the field, too -- most of it from the Illini's Mikel Leshoure, who set a school record with 330 yards rushing, which is also a Wrigley Field all-time record that is now likely never to be broken. Northwestern figured to struggle a little with redshirt freshman QB Evan Watkins replacing the injured Dan Persa, who walked on crutches to midfield for the coin toss. Watkins was shaky at first but played all right overall -- it's just that the Wildcats forgot how to play defense, allowing the most points they'd given up all year.
Figure this out. NU upsets 13th-ranked Iowa last week while Illinois is losing at home to a 1-9 Minnesota team... and then the Illini just blast Northwestern. It was entertaining and an enjoyable, fun game to watch, even if the result wasn't what I would have wanted as a Wildcat fan.
The spectacle was the real reason for the enjoyable day. Everyone wanted to create a bowl-game, party atmosphere and they succeeded, closing off Sheffield for food and drink and the Northwestern band, cheerleaders and dancers performing at the corner of Waveland and Sheffield.
Inside, the Blackhawks' Jim Cornelison did his usual stirring rendition of the National Anthem, but when the "seventh-inning stretch" -- oddly, done at the end of the first quarter instead of the more logical third -- was botched, fans dressed in both orange and purple booed. The crowd of 41,058 -- about 1,500 above the "official" listed capacity of 39,600 for the game -- was about two-thirds purple, though there was a large pocket of orange in the left-field corner, part of which was the Illini band, the rest apparently a large Illinois student section. By game's end, most of the purple-clad had departed early, leaving the Illinois fans to yell, "I-L-L", "I-N-I" with each other in victory.
And that's the point. Wrigley Field has nearly 100 years of history and has hosted many non-baseball events, more in recent years as the Cubs look for other sources of revenue. To those who say it doesn't matter if we keep it because the Cubs have never won a World Series, I say this.
The Cubs have won six National League pennants there -- and those do matter -- and played in six postseasons in the divisional play era. Should it have been more? Yes, of course. But you cannot deny that history, nor the history made there by great players dating back to Babe Ruth. Americans are too quick to tear down historic buildings for no particular reason. Wrigley Field is part of our national culture and heritage. Does it need renovation and modernizing? Yes, it does, and there is a reasonable argument to be made against asking for public funding for that in these economic times. I understand that and the timing of last week's request by the Ricketts family for such funding was questionable at best.
But tear it down? No. Fix it up, and when the Cubs win the World Series there -- and they will -- it will be that much sweeter, to add that kind of history to its nearly century of stories. I have now attended sports events in Wrigley Field in every calendar month except December and February, but the one I really want -- we all really want -- will happen soon, some October.
Here's what the scoreboard looked like at halftime of today's game:
Click on photo to open a larger version in a new browser window. Photo by Al Yellon
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I was listening to the game on my Walkman
Sounded like a real fun game
by braziliancubsfan on Nov 20, 2010 8:19 PM CST reply actions
Looked awesome on TV!
Wrigley is baseball hallowed ground — it should NEVER be torn down! The sight of the rooftops packed with fans made me miss the baseball season!
How was the weather? It looked pretty cold.
"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie" -- Tony Montana
I've had many colder April night games and Opening Days
Chilly? Yes. Cold? Not too bad.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Wasn't as bad
Wasn’t as bad as I anticipated. I could have gone with my medium coat not my heavy winter coat.
And you’re right many an opening day has been colder than this.
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by puckishcubsfan on Nov 20, 2010 10:02 PM CST up reply actions
Just got back from the game
I’m riding on your coattails with this comment, Al, but even as a Northwestern fan, I thought the whole experience was amazing. When they first started to flirt with the idea of a game at Wrigley, I got season tickets because I knew I wanted to be part of the day. Do I wish NU could have been a little more competitive in the second half? Oh god yes. To everyone there, I don’t know if I’ve ever been to a football game with that kind of atmosphere with the stadium rocking like it was in that first half. Awesome experience. Tomorrow we’re doing the Touchdown at Wrigley, so that should be awesome too.
"You just don't know understand how frustrating this is"- Kevin Borseth
I'll be there tomorrow too, in the 1 pm session.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Have fun! Wished I could have met you. I think the evil cheese smokey monsters are preventing us from meeting.
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by puckishcubsfan on Nov 20, 2010 9:57 PM CST up reply actions
Here's a thought
Next season, buy a bleacher ticket – should be easy enough to get.
Go to the top row in the left-field corner.
Stand in the aisle, turn to your right, and say “Which one of you is Al?”.
Problem solved and you can stop blaming the evil cheese smokey monsters – they got enough to worry about…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
except that will be a game Al cannot make and sells his tickets
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"I could be writing this crap!" -- Crow T. Robot
Me: Q: I can run but not walk. Wherever I go, thought follows close behind. What am I?
Wrigster A: Theriot
Great game, great atmosphere
Looked great on my big screen, and I wish I still lived in Evanston so I could’ve gone…if only this happened 2 months ago! But it was great to see my Illini get a win we really needed
Vic Koenning is my homeboy.
always feels better
when the good guys win
Outcome not surprising in the least.
NU beat Iowa with their first string QB who, minus a running game, provides ball control offense through his accurate passing and scrambling. Minus Persa, NU will be hard pressed to win again this season.
by the nth on Nov 20, 2010 9:15 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Agree on Persa
Agree on Persa. He was being talked about as a darkhorse Heisman candidate next year.
Met someone at the game who has never been to Wrigley for a Cubs game (can’t stand baseball but he’s a nice guy otherwise a friend’s new boyfriend) but has now been to this game, went to the hockey game and to the Elton John/Billy Joel and the Jimmy Buffet concerts.
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by puckishcubsfan on Nov 20, 2010 9:59 PM CST up reply actions
The problem is,
Northwestern goes up against a Wisconsin team that just put a whooping on the Wolverines in The Big House, and spoiled Senior Day in the process.
I competed in the NCAA, but I never had a Senior Day. My parents didn’t come. All the other seniors, theirs did.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Possibly hiking up Mount Marcy during the weekend of October 23-24. State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 21, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
The concourses have never been so packed before in my life...
It’s was _ to _ … elbow to elbow during halftime. Bathroom lines were ridiculous. All more reasons why the ballpark needs renovations.
I’m one of the lucky few who gets to play ball on the field tomorrow morning at 8am… thanks to a good friend at NU!
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
bathrooms
Even at new and renovated stadiums there are long lines during football games. There are concentrated periods of time when fans go to the bathroom (most at halftime, or between quarters), as opposed to baseball when fans go between innings or pretty much whenever. If Wrigley were going to host more football games per season, yes, they’d need more bathrooms, but they aren’t.
Wrigley needs more bathrooms..PERIOD!
Baseball, football, hockey, concerts, bull fighting, WHATEVER! There ain’t enough Johns!
GETITDONETOM
"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie" -- Tony Montana
Problem/solution
Several years ago I brought one of my daughters with me to a game at Wrigley, just her and I. She was 4 yrs old at the time. All was fine until she asked to go to the bathroom. All of a sudden it dawned on me (the ball was getting larger, and then it hit me) that it seemed I had two options: 1. bring her into a men’s room, or 2. ask a kind looking lady to escort her into the ladie’s room. Neither option seemed good, and I absolutely was not going to bring her thru the men’s room. Finally I was kindly directed to First Aid, where she could use a semi-private restroom. Oh the relief it was – for her and I.
"Don’t belittle entire fanbases or neighborhoods…simply because they are within proximity to some people who don’t operate (or look) the same way you do." - AndrewJStone 6/29/2010
No ticket, but want to check out the festivities


view from the right field gate

13- Warner, 23- Sandberg, 40- Tillman, 11- Walter
I don't know about "disaster"...
…but the timing of yesterday’s announcement was indeed a “joke” and the resulting rules changes were a “travesty” to the integrity of the game. That’s simply not how the game was intended to be played. That’s not bitchin’ – that’s the reality of it.
Obviously you don’t agree – and that’s fine. But consider this – if we did indeed kwitchourbitchin, BCB would be a lonely place. And you might be out of a job.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Nov 20, 2010 9:52 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
YEAH!
AND ALSO, GO BADGERS!
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Nov 20, 2010 11:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
don't forget to send that thank-you card to Mr. Tressel...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I left a burning bag of doggie doo on his doorstep. :(
There are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. Who says baseball isn't a religion?
I'll agree with you on the timing...
… especially since all involved signed off on things before Friday.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Awesome
Just got home from the game and went to see Harry Potter with some friends afterwards,
It was an awesome experience despite the outcome and I have to do some household chores that my husband and I usually split this week (he’s an Illinois alum and it’s our annual bet)
Illinois is going to be good next year as will NU. If both teams were consistently good at the same time it could become a nice rivalry. It alredy is a rivaly but would be better if both were good.
Talked to a friend who is a fan of college football and baseball (but of Stanford and the Giants as she is a Stanford grad living in San Francisco) and watched it because being a fan of both sports but not of the teams she was still curious. She loved it
Guys if you like football I definitely recommend taking in a game at Ryan Field. It’s still relatively reasonable and a lot of fun and NU is consistently good.
Although I do love reminding my Dad that Notre Dame could have had Pat Fitzgerald both as a player and now coach but they didn’t give him a scholarship (thanks Lou Holtz! – ironically when Coach Randy Walker died suddenly a few years ago the question was whether Fitzgerald was ready to be a head coach and Holtz was a name mentioned as a possibility to take over for 2 years and guide Pat along but they decided to promote Pat).
HEard there were some Cubs players sightings but didn’t see any myself. Wouldn’t be surprised if Dempster and Zambrano were there. Did see a few of the Bears including Corey Wooten (sp) who played at Northwestern.
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Al, if you want to keep politics out of your threads, you might want to keep politics out of your posts.
That’s a pretty thin stretch to turn a postgame thread into trying to drum up support for public money. All I’ll say in response is that politicians of all ilks are going to have to address unpleasant issues and make heartbreaking choices to get budgets back in order in the near term. (Also – I hope this thread is modded a bit more closely before people start breaking out their blackboards and conspiracy theories again.)
Onto the game itself, it played out a little weird on TV, not too bad as they mostly kept the ball repositioning off camera – out of sight, out of mind? Again, it’s a shame team management got an undeserved bad rap out of the deal, I wouldn’t mind seeing another game, odd ground rule or not. A fun afternoon, even for someone without a particular rooting interest.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Nov 20, 2010 10:02 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
And
And the anticipated problem of a lot of added time didn’t materialize. It was just over 3 hours long which is a normal time for a football game.
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by puckishcubsfan on Nov 20, 2010 10:04 PM CST up reply actions
What?
That’s not what I said at all. Try again.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
If you insist, I'll try to spell it out more directly.
In your “The Future of Wrigley Field” post, you said:
This is a very difficult post to write because, from the beginning of this site, I have asked people to stay out of political discussion.
…
The proposal made by the Cubs to have a $400 million public/private partnership, however, teeters on the edge of political discussion because of its very nature.
What I’m afraid is going to happen, is that this $200 million “request” of public money is going to become a recurring theme all winter, as in using a football game recap to remind us..
(from this post) Wrigley Field is part of our national culture and heritage. Does it need renovation and modernizing? Yes, it does
Until a complete privately-funded plan to do this comes along from the Ricketts family, opinions vary on how to get it accomplished.
As you yourself said, this is more of a political issue than a Cubs issue. If there’s actual news on this front and you want to highlight any ongoing negotiations, that seems legitimate. If you’re going to keep poking at this two or three times a week, you’re going to keep the argument going all winter long.
(from Tuesday’s post) Here’s where we get into possible political discussion, and please. I urge you to not retreat behind party rhetoric or talking points here no matter what your personal beliefs are.
You keep bringing it up, people are going to keep going back and forth on the subject. This is the nature of modern political discourse on the web. And since the subject has been thoroughly discussed on this blog already, very little mind-changing is likely. We’ve already seen an extended discussion on national monetary policy that bordered on truther/birther nuttiness. (Which was, IMO poorly moderated.)
Also, continuing to prolong this discussion is not going to help the perception some of the posters here hold that you’ve become a shill for the organization. You’re a blogger that now gets a seat at the press conferences. While Phil Rogers wrote a story in support of the project, I don’t expect him flog for it on a regular basis. When you take that seat alongside the press, that places some level of journalistic standard on your writings. Or you could just come out and state that your blog is “Vine Line Jr.” and no dissenting opinions will be allowed in this team-affiliated megaphone.
At least from what I’ve seen, I don’t think you intend to fall into the latter category.
Sorry if that comes off as impolite, but you asked for clarity.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Nov 21, 2010 11:03 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I understand what you're saying.
My mind is not made up on this. In fact, it does seem like it was a really bad idea to ask for this funding at this time.
The reason I mentioned it in the recap was not to “shill”, but to remind everyone what a great place Wrigley Field is. There have been articles written — not here — in the last week suggesting it should be torn down. I just don’t think so.
And your comment was not impolite at all. I do welcome discussion.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I thought about this some more.
My position as blogger is, in my opinion, part reporter, part columnist. I do report what I see at press conferences and other events, then I express my opinion.
People here may — and often do — differ with it. I don’t have a problem with that, as long as people, like you, express your views without personal attack.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Consider it the view of a crank, consider it a 'canary in the coal mine'..
But you read the threads as well as anyone here, consider that this perception at least exists. Assuming the team management will continue to look for a solution, I’m sure there will be plenty of chances to address ballpark renovation news directly over the months to come.
There’s a number of people I read who make their living at blogging – they’re still trying to figure out where the line is between journalism and opinion in this still new field. But I hope you’ll keep in mind that you’re not just giving your opinions now, you’re covering the team as a credentialed(?) part of the media. I know the poohbahs over at Second City Hockey turned down a relationship with the Blackhawks because they wanted to remain independent.
Doesn’t make you wrong or right, doesn’t make them right or wrong.. just a consideration. I do appreciate that generally speaking, people can disagree agreeably here.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Nov 21, 2010 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
I understand what you're saying.
Keep in mind that newspaper columnists also have credentials and express their opinions.
Also, in terms of what the Cubs credential me for, it is press conferences and the convention — not games. Not that that necessarily makes a huge difference, just wanted to let that be known.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Understood.. the (?) was me figuring it's somewhere in between.
No need to hold yourself to the high journalistic standards of a Rick Morrissey, heh.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Nov 21, 2010 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
Hey genius DMRS, why don't you just start a blog.
a post your long winded pontifications there. I’m a long time season ticket holder and think the place is antiquated and needs a total refurbishing or a teardown.
Kwitcherbitchin?
Really? It’s interesting that you can brush it aside that easily. It’s closer to a big deal (as many have said) than no deal at all (like you say).
The integrity of the game was compromised. It’d be like the MLB deciding to use ghost runners every 12 games. “Meh, kwitcherbitchin!”
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Nov 20, 2010 10:44 PM CST via mobile reply actions 4 recs
And
everyone who gave 15 points to NU beating UI in the 2010-11 Offseason IT’S HAPPENING Contest can SUCK IT!! I couldn’t believe all the UI haters out there. GO ILLINI.
I put it high on the points list because one team winning was 100% going to happen, so it was effectively a coin toss for 15 points, as opposed to the other things which may or may not happen.
by cubsfaninatl on Nov 21, 2010 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
Didn't know that NU's QB would be out at that time either
But classy comment
by LT on Nov 21, 2010 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
as a cubs fan i like the fact that wrigley is being used for more events
as a sports fan in general however, whomever first got the plans in the big televen office and approved this field plan should be sacked. that was an embarassment to northwestern and the cubs.
if northwestern wanted to play a game in the city of chicago, comiskey or soldier field would have been better. i know that some fields are shoehorned into some baseball fields (like yankee stadium aparantly, i haven’t seen any pictures yet) but this was ridiculous.
A few thoughts
First, I’m going to add to the disagreement with the kwitcherbitchin statement. I’ve been a Wisconsin Badger football season ticket holder for five or six years now and while I’d take a Cubs World Series over a Badger National Championship in a heartbeat, I have become much more and more of a college football fan over the past few years. One of the things that stands out between baseball and college football is the importance of a single game. In baseball, you lose a game, but you come back tomorrow and get back on it. Rarely is one game of tantamount significance. College football, however, is the opposite. Unless you’re one of a handful of teams, one loss ends any possibility of a chance of a national championship, and in most conferences, the difference between 1st place and 2nd place is one game. Heck, look at the Big Ten this year. Its very possible that three teams will finish with one loss.
I have been trying to think of a baseball equivalent for what has happened over the past day or so and have struggled to come up with one… maybe it was some of the complaints that arose when the Cubs traveled to Japan to play the Mets about a decade ago. I have no idea how big of a college football fan you are, and its not to say that ones level of fandom lends credibility to their comments. I guess, in the end, though, when you really look at a sport like college football, where every single win and loss has strong implications, you better be damn sure that the sanctity of the game is preserved. Again, if the Cubs and some other team moved a series to some historic British cricket grounds and had to impose some odd ground rules, I think you’d probably bristle if some Brit told you to kwitcherbitchin. To me, the spectacle was of greater importance than the game itself.
One other thing I wanted to mention. Its been discussed that everyone signed off on this and so on. I don’t think that the timing of Friday’s events were at all random. The fact of the matter is that its in college football’s rulebooks that there must be at least six feet between the sidelines/back of the end zone and any walls or obstructions. I think that this all was inspected at a point where it was too late for a change of venue to be made. If the NCAA and Big Ten had come in a few months ago and realized the problem the game would have been pushed back to Evanston. By the time the powers that be really got involved, though, it was too late for a change of venue.
by dmlichte on Nov 20, 2010 11:34 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Uh Huh
“For those of you who cried, “travesty”, “joke” or “disaster” yesterday when the rule changes were announced, I say: kwitcherbitchin."
And for those that constantly feel the need to defend Wrigley and the Cubs Organization, I say: Stop being a Stooge.
by troutfishin on Nov 20, 2010 11:48 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
I resent the term "stooge".
As I have said, I’m open to reasonable arguments on both sides of an issue. What I have a problem with is the automatic reaction around here for just about anything the Cubs do — which is generally to take out the torches and pitchforks and say the team is wrong.
Sometimes they are. I’ve said so. But sometimes they aren’t, and I don’t see much recognition of that here.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
As I resent the implication
that some of us are “bitchin” just for the sake of it. Sorry if I didn’t crack open my thesaurus to find another term than stooge, but I can’t help but notice your guttural reaction every time it’s your turn to try and defend this organization.
It's a reaction ...
… as I said, to what I see as the seemingly automatic “the Cubs are always wrong” attitude shown by many here.
Are the Cubs always right? Of course not. But neither are they always wrong. The truth is somewhere in between.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
BTW Al
I appreciate your sentimentality as it pertains to Wrigley and historic landmarks, I understand it. It’s hard to let go of things, but what we need to understand is that things in this life are impermanent, anything made by human hands is impermanent. If the Cubs were to overhaul Wrigley properly, they would more than likely have to spend at a minimum 1 full season away from home. If the rehab process were to be pieced together, it more than likely wouldn’t eliminate the entirety of the problems that exist.
I work for a company that did some of the structural inspections of Wrigley post concrete fall inspections and bleacher structural inspections. The problems were real and they still exist today.
Al, it’s not an “American” thing to do away with historical structures, most of the structures that have been preserved in Europe for example, are stone structures. Just remember anything made by man is as impermanent as we are.
Why were the home teams listed on the top of each matchup?
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 21, 2010 6:59 AM CST reply actions
That's a good question.
No one I asked seemed to know.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Hendry's idea.
Wherever you go, there you are!
by Dan Serafini on Nov 22, 2010 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
I've checked my German dictionary
but I can’t find
kwitcherbitchin
anywhere. Eths, can you translate for us?
There are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. Who says baseball isn't a religion?
not sure its meaning
but there is a customer support line
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"I could be writing this crap!" -- Crow T. Robot
Me: Q: I can run but not walk. Wherever I go, thought follows close behind. What am I?
Wrigster A: Theriot
I couldn't go or watch, but my wife couldn't find it on TV anywhere.
I guess it was on some station you have to pay extra for. That was nuts. How can you hype an event like this and not make it universally accessible?
She said all she could find were games of absolutely no interest to her. Actually, no other college game would have been of any interest to her. How many other potential viewers did they turn away, not just from one game, but the spectacle of college football?
One of Lee Elia's 15%
Yeah, it was on ESPNU
which is an extra channel. Though, if you get your cable through a certain provider you can stream them from ESPN3.com. The list of providers is on the website.
Thanks. But even so it's too much work for a marginal fan.
An event like yesterday’s game should have been very easy to find for everyone, nationwide, with all the press and pregame interest generated. A waste of a majorly successful PR effort for the Big Ten, Illinois, Northwestern, Wrigley Field and the Cubs.
One of Lee Elia's 15%
by waiting4cubs on Nov 21, 2010 9:02 AM CST up reply actions
The teams wanted a 230p start
And only ESPNU could guarantee them that. ABC/ESPN uses the 230p slot for the best B10 matchup, which in this case was Ohio State-Iowa, which had title ramifications, and two working end zones.
It took me 10 seconds to find ESPNU on my DirecTV.
Wherever you go, there you are!
by Dan Serafini on Nov 22, 2010 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
But here's the problem.
Not everyone has access to that. It would have been easy, at least, for NU, Illinois and the Big Ten to offer the game to a broadcast channel in Chicago (and maybe Champaign, too), like the NFL Network and ESPN do when they have a cable-only game in the home markets.
I’ll bet WCIU would have jumped at the opportunity to carry this game for people who did not have access to ESPNU.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I think the NFL forces them to offer the game locally.
A concession to Congress when they were squawking about the cable deals.
This was an opportunity for ‘content providers’ to push sales. The Utah – TCU game, featuring two Top 10 teams at the time, was on CBS College Sports. Same deal. Yeah, the PR was wasted as to self-proclaimed ‘marginal’ fans.
More and more sports are going to cable, as Cub fans here know. The Final Four will be on cable only in a few years.
Wherever you go, there you are!
by Dan Serafini on Nov 22, 2010 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, agreed on the NFL.
But you’d have thought they would have figured out a way to televise it locally in Chicago.
I know events are going to cable. Still, big events have to find a way to be on broadcast outlets in certain cases.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Those were the craziest rules I've ever seen for a game of football.
Part of what makes football a great sport is the wind factor, if the wind comes from one direction, it is interesting, especially in an outdoor stadium, to see how the wind affects the teams.
It is not bitching, it is for those of us who would have preferred to see football as it was meant to be played.
Oh, and one more thing. Lou Holtz needs to shut up in a hurry. How he can continue to say Ohio State is the best team in the Big Ten because they beat the Hawkeyes in Iowa … that is utter horsecrap.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Possibly hiking up Mount Marcy during the weekend of October 23-24. State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 21, 2010 12:59 PM CST reply actions
+1 Billion
I get baseball fans who aren’t particularly huge college football fans not getting it completely, but they don’t need to admit they don’t understand the nuances of the game and then claim it’s just “bitching” when we want it done right.
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
Actually craziest "rule", singular.
I was among those calling it a fiasco when the decision broke to turn the field into a one-way road, but all it ended up being was weird. There wasn’t any controversy over a mis-spotted field change, and the turf didn’t break down near the west end zone despite all the extra activity on that end. You have a point about the wind factor being taken out of the game, but there was no advantage to either side. The NU pick-6 went the full distance, there was no material effect on the game itself.
And most importantly, there wasn’t any time where we had to wince over a close call of a player running into the pads in the east end zone.
Again, it was a bit weird, but the game played out like a normal football game otherwise. The people who paid top dollar for the seats in the RF bleachers were screwed much worse than any player on the field, or any viewer at home. I’ll go so far as to say after watching the contest, I wouldn’t mind seeing another game, even with the screwy ground rule. And with this settled well in advance of any future game, you could deal with the pricing issues based on much better knowledge of which are the best seats for the configuration.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Nov 21, 2010 5:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You still don't get it Al
For those of you who cried, “travesty”, “joke” or “disaster” yesterday when the rule changes were announced, I say: kwitcherbitchin. Playing every offensive series facing the west end zone had absolutely no impact on the flow of the game.
Neither would making a new rule that players no longer have to run the bases on a home run but I doubt you’d be in favor of that
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
If it was for one single game because there was something along the basepaths that had a chance of injuring players
I don’t see how anyone would get so worked up over it.
Except, that argument isn't accurate
the college football season isn’t NEARLY as long, therefore it would be more like not running the bases in 50 baseball games.
Secondly, if that did happen, you wouldn’t wonder why MLB had allowed a game to be played at a stadium where there was a danger of running the bases in the first place? Really?
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
Well, it'd be more like 13 games than 50 if you're doing the math
And I certainly wouldn’t be happy if they continued to play games under those conditions. But after realizing that it was going to be an issue (way later than they should have, of course) and addressing it for a single game, and then most likely never playing another game in those conditions again . . . really not that big a deal. Hell, baseball already has plenty of player risks involving the stadium (Wrigley bricks, Houston hill/flag pole, etc) that are accepted for whatever reason.
The Big 10/NCAA handled it poorly and the result was kind of silly. But the game went on, everyone had a great time, and it wasn’t a big deal that they only ran towards one end zone for a game. Get over it.
I am "over it" Al's the one who brought it up again
And insulted anyone who didn’t like how the situation was handled in the process.
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
it happens annually
called the DH in the All Star game to avoid having pitchers swing the bat or run the bases
I understand your point, but I do believe it is being over done. its picking the fly shit out of the pepper.
Chronologically inept since 2060
"I could be writing this crap!" -- Crow T. Robot
Me: Q: I can run but not walk. Wherever I go, thought follows close behind. What am I?
Wrigster A: Theriot
What? I don't think you DO understand the point if you think having a DH bat is the same
as not running the bases after a homerun
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
im comparing it to everyone goes West
so that they dont run into a wall. the idea of the DH for both teams in every All Star game, is as much for offense as it is to keep a pitcher from injuring himself running the bases (as we have seen happen before).
Chronologically inept since 2060
"I could be writing this crap!" -- Crow T. Robot
Me: Q: I can run but not walk. Wherever I go, thought follows close behind. What am I?
Wrigster A: Theriot
Well, that's still not the same
and even if it was, I’d like to point out the MYRIAD people (myself included) who HATE the DH. So it’s still not “bitchin” it’s complaining about a rule change that is idiotic, and cuts down on the “purity” of the game. It is also complaining about a rule change that could have been caught much earlier than Friday with even a modicum of planning
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
On that, I'll agree.
There’s no way it should have come down to 24 hours to kickoff.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
im not disagreeing about the rule change that people hate
and yes it should have been announced long before Friday, and I fear it was not announced due to the ticket prices in the RF bleachers, and wanting them to sell. this is 100% my opinion and nothing more. Now who is at fault, many and there is enough blame to go around
both are people complaining about a rule change, both are due to purity of the game (going west only does take away from the purity IMHO), neither are the end of the world
Chronologically inept since 2060
"I could be writing this crap!" -- Crow T. Robot
Me: Q: I can run but not walk. Wherever I go, thought follows close behind. What am I?
Wrigster A: Theriot
And the lack of planning rests with the idiotic Big Ten and the
“smart kids” school- Northwestern.
and U of I
They had their people out there too. All three screwed the pooch on this one. The plans have been place for 8 months with the game talked about for two years. Such a minor rule change that didn’t have an effect on the game. Just let me know if you want me to go looking through the Tribune archives on this one because in this case I know I’m right.
"You just don't know understand how frustrating this is"- Kevin Borseth
Here's the problem with the rule.
THEY COULD HAVE FIXED IT.
That’s the part that’s the “travesty”.
They could have fixed it.
Looking at the setup of the field, there were probably another 2-3 feet of space that they could’ve had just by moving the field to the West a little bit.
That satisfies the B10 ruling of space behind the end zone.
Crisis averted.
It also peeved me considerably that they couldn’t kick FGs or PATs onto Sheffield. That’s part of the FUN of Wrigley Field! That you can stand outside the stadium and potentially nab a little souvenir for yourself!
This was a failure of planning, of preparation, and it reflects badly on the Cubs organization, the Big 10, and the two schools involved.
Thankfully, it was a fantastic game to watch.
But it would have been even better if the real rules of football had been used.
There was definitely more room on the west end.
If they took out a few more seats, they could have made it work. If they want to do this again, they could try that.
There’s no reason they couldn’t have kicked onto Sheffield, since the rules had been changed.
I will disagree that it reflects badly on the Cubs organization. They didn’t make the call to change the rules — the Cubs thought everything was done right. The change was made by the Big 10.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

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