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Who Will Succeed Ron Santo At The WGN Mic?

This is a difficult subject and there's really no "right time" to bring it up, so I thought I'd bring it up now.

Ron Santo was an icon in Cubs history, beloved by all. His rapport with Pat Hughes on every broadcast was unique -- there may not have been a pairing quite like it in all of broadcast history. I feel for Pat, because he has not just lost a broadcast partner, he has lost a dear friend.

No one can replace Ron Santo on WGN's radio broadcasts. That's absolutely clear. Someone, however, will sit in that chair and broadcast games along with Pat, and the Cubs and WGN need to be very sensitive about who occupies that chair, because of the way Ron Santo filled our summer afternoons and evenings for two decades.

Let me be clear about one thing -- that person should absolutely, positively, emphatically not be Judd Sirott. Sirott is simply not suited for baseball -- his voice and cadence are all wrong, and he doesn't know enough about the game to be a color commentator or analyst. It's bad enough that he has done an inning of play-by-play for the last two years.

But then, who? Here's an article from the Gary Post-Tribune in which the writer asks not to be called a "heartless oaf" for suggesting that a "real analyst" be hired. Now, I was someone who wished I could get more analysis from Ron Santo, but that's not who he was. The Cubs and WGN got a diehard Cubs fan in the booth for 21 seasons and just about everyone loved that.

There's simply no one else like that around. Of people who filled in for Ron from time to time: Dave Otto, Keith Moreland and Randy Hundley, none of them fills either the "diehard fan" bill or the "in-depth analyst" bill. Hundley perhaps came closest to the former, but I don't think he'd want the job full-time, and besides, Randy turns 69 next June -- I suspect the Cubs would like someone who could settle in for a long time with Pat.

There aren't a lot of obvious choices, either. There are some TV analysts who have Cubs connections -- Rick Sutcliffe and Mark Grace come to mind -- but Sutcliffe likely would rather keep his part-time ESPN gig and Grace is... well, to be charitable, he's just not a good broadcaster.

Would it be possible for WGN to lure Eric Karros away from his Fox Saturday gig? Karros was a big part of the 2003 NL Central title team, is very good on the air, loved being a Cub and understands very well what being a Cubs fan is all about.

Other than that, I don't have any ideas. I do hope that WGN might let Pat do the first spring training broadcast solo, if he's willing; that would make the statement that although someone will succeed Ron Santo at the mic, no one will replace him... either there, or in our hearts.

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I think Pat would be great solo.

And I don’t mean just for the first game.

We're out of glue.

by katie casey on Dec 15, 2010 8:07 AM CST reply actions  

That would be tough to do for an entire season.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 15, 2010 8:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes.

But I think if anyone could do it, he can.

We're out of glue.

by katie casey on Dec 15, 2010 8:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Make this green

If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.

by eths on Dec 15, 2010 8:17 AM CST up reply actions  

True and rec'd.

But I don’t think they should put just anybody in there.

You know who is getting better? Dave Otto. He used to really drive me nuts, but now I don’t mind him. It could be hilarious because Pat’s humor sometimes goes right over his head. However, I still think Pat would be better off solo. I think it would give him an opportunity to really shine.

We're out of glue.

by katie casey on Dec 15, 2010 8:24 AM CST up reply actions  

which is why Ronnie was perfect for Pat

Pat knew enough and had a good enough memory to do most of the nuts and bolts of the broadcast and ronnie was truly a “color” commentator…

by hansman1982 on Dec 15, 2010 8:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Al-are you sure you dont want Sirott? You seem to be waffling....

ask not what the Cubs can do for you - ask what you can do for the Cubs.

by holy mackeral on Dec 15, 2010 9:04 AM CST up reply actions  

No question...

…he is miscast for his skills.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Dec 15, 2010 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Absolutely.

Rec’d

Every time he is on I get scared because I feel like he is just screaming and yelling at me lol

It's time, guys. Let's win it for Ronnie...

by mikegncb34 on Dec 15, 2010 12:17 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I must be the only guy on this whole blog that likes him

Maybe it’s because he called Wolves games for so long. Guess the yell was just more appropriate for the intense sport of hockey.

Just win the next game...!

by blackhawk24 on Dec 15, 2010 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

That's the problem with Judd,

he sounds like he’s broadcasting a hockey game. Doesn’t really work in baseball.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Dec 15, 2010 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I loved Judd doing the Wolves' games

can’t stand him doing baseball.

"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse

by BigJohnAZ on Dec 15, 2010 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I can't believe this only had 12 recs

It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?

by chitownhawkeye on Dec 17, 2010 6:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed...

…especially if there isn’t a homerun candidate out there. Doesn’t Vin Scully do Dodger games solo??

by NashCub on Dec 15, 2010 8:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes

Yes. Vin Scully does do Dodgers’ games solo.

by Cubdog on Dec 15, 2010 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Nobody else will work solo anymore

That’s a lot of time to fill. Scully is the last of a dying breed of broadcaster. That’s why the 1-inning -man gig was created at WGN, to relieve Pat. Ron could not do pbp.

I could see Andy Masur looking into this gig. Hughes’ pbp would be reduced, Masur would get more cash in Chicago, and it was rumored in SD he was looking elsewhere at the beginning of the 2010 season.

Masur could eventually take over from Hughes when he retires.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Dec 15, 2010 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Masur would do well...

… as long as he doesn’t bring Ted Leitner with him.

by dmlichte on Dec 15, 2010 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Amen.

Leitner will never leave this market. I don’t think he’d work out anywhere else. Besides, his 4 wives and 12 kids are here.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Dec 15, 2010 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Al, Fantastic idea

about Pat doing 1st game solo in memory of Ron! Kinda like the lost man in an aircraft formation! Make it happen, please?

I didn't understand the "white-collar Cub fans", "blue-collar Sox fans" until much later in life. Harry Smith~ "For Cubs Fans Only".

by jeffstorm2 on Dec 15, 2010 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Vin Scully can do it.

I bet Pat could pull it off nicely.

by cubsforever on Dec 16, 2010 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Vin Scully

Doesn’t Vin do it solo for the Dodgers? He’s a class act at it too… what about Ryno? That way he’d have every broadcast opportunity to tell us what failure Hendry is.

by jwritebol on Dec 16, 2010 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I imagine that

the first game will have alot of dead air and there wont be a dry eye anywhere around

by hansman1982 on Dec 15, 2010 8:48 AM CST up reply actions  

I bet that even if there isn't alot of dead air

there won’t be a dry eye anywhere around.

We're out of glue.

by katie casey on Dec 15, 2010 9:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Otto or Moreland

I don’t know who else they could get who wants to do 162 games a year on radio. Its not exactly a glamour job, I can’t think of anyone who would fit the Santo ‘diehard fan’ mold.

by jeff_pico on Dec 15, 2010 8:08 AM CST reply actions  

You know who fits the diehard mold?

Bill Murray. Not a baseball guy. And he certainly would never do it for 162 games. But I loved listening to him when he filled in for Harry many years ago. He’d be able to bring to the same idiotic, blind passion for the Cubs Santo had.

A (no longer at all a) boy can dream…

by Tovey on Dec 15, 2010 8:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Bill Murray was my favorite sub as well

I know that he cannot do 162 games, but he’s great when he is in the booth

Live the life you love and love the life you live - Willie Dixon

by Ihatethecards on Dec 15, 2010 9:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Murray is a riot

You should see him coaching first for the St. Paul Saints – as he has now and then. (He’s part owner of the team, along with Mike Veeck.)

by MN exile on Dec 15, 2010 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

If Bill Murray

got the job, I would listen to every game even if I wasn’t a Cubs fan.

Couple issues though:

It would be tricky to not try to hard to be funny all the time, and do 90% baseball and 10% funny.

Plus baseball players don’t like being teased, and I don’t see him holding back 162 games a year.

He’s want (and deserve) a fortune. No way the Ricketts pony up the money to get him,

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Dec 15, 2010 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

SWL might be interesting or even TJ

>Joke<

If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.

by eths on Dec 15, 2010 8:15 AM CST reply actions  

Or even better, there is this Al Yellon guy...

If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.

by eths on Dec 15, 2010 8:16 AM CST up reply actions  

No. Then he wouldn't have time to write for us.

Sorry. That is selfish of me.

But if we are going to go along these lines…I vote for my husband. He’s always saying things right before it is said on the air. It’s kind of eerie. He’s got a good voice for it too.

We're out of glue.

by katie casey on Dec 15, 2010 8:30 AM CST up reply actions  

No disrespect intended to your husband....

I was simply looking for an opportunity to slip in one of my favorite “Seinfeld” quotes, about George Costanza suggesting he could be a color commentator because he “always makes interesting comments during the game”. Jerry nods, as if to placate him somewhat, then says, “Well, they usually give those jobs to ex-ballplayers, or people who are….you know, in broadcasting.” George consideres this point for a second, then says, “Well, that’s really not fair.”

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Dec 15, 2010 11:39 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I was thinking of that episode too, a classic.

"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella

by tripdenten on Dec 15, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

lol

Forgot about that one!

We're out of glue.

by katie casey on Dec 15, 2010 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

lol

Forgot about that one!

We're out of glue.

by katie casey on Dec 15, 2010 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I accept!!!!!

I am sure they would enjoy my in depth opinions of the Cubs!!!!!

by TJ11 on Dec 15, 2010 8:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Morbo the Annihilator could fill in on your off days.

If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.

by eths on Dec 15, 2010 9:30 AM CST up reply actions  

I've always imagined...

… that TJ’s typing was the on-screen version of Judd’s yelling.

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by AndrewJStone on Dec 15, 2010 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey TJ11

if you accepted, our fan base would drop percentage points each day…not from you possibly having poor “skills”… but from the suicides you’d cause! if we wannted the truth…we’d ask for it!!!!!! aw shucks, why not one more…! :]

I didn't understand the "white-collar Cub fans", "blue-collar Sox fans" until much later in life. Harry Smith~ "For Cubs Fans Only".

by jeffstorm2 on Dec 15, 2010 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I like Todd

good option

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by digitalbenjamin on Dec 15, 2010 8:47 AM CST up reply actions  

This my pick.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Dec 15, 2010 8:57 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I hadn't thought of Hollandsworth.

But he would be a good pick, too.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 15, 2010 9:04 AM CST up reply actions  

My only reservation about Hollandsworth...

…is that he may be too quick to leave. Whoever is picked, I want them to be around for a while.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Dec 15, 2010 9:06 AM CST up reply actions  

It appears I am in the minority

But I am fairly underwhelmed by Holly.

He’s not “bad”, at all. Just leaves me with that “meh” feeling.

And, before someone asks, no, I don’t have a great idea on who else could/would/should be that analyst.

Shut up Joe Morgan.

by fsuapollo on Dec 15, 2010 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

He's vanilla as I say below

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Dec 15, 2010 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree.

He’s OK. But for the pre and post-game studio analysis, I miss Dan Plesac. I thought he went to the MLB Network, but I have not seen him on the air there for a long time. Makes me long for the days of “The Big Blue Train”. I was surprised to see him leave. I think he’s from Chicago, and he really seemed to get what the Cubs were all about.

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Dec 15, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

You may be...

…onto something.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Dec 15, 2010 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

I like Todd too.

A lovely story:

One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....

But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.

The end

by sue369 on Dec 15, 2010 6:10 PM CST up reply actions  

My vote goes to Moreland

Knowledge of the game, non-annoying voice, good rapport with Pat.

Otto is painful to me.

by rgonzale on Dec 15, 2010 8:32 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

+1

Otto is very painful.

FYI – Bob Uecker does games by himself, and has his ‘backup’ do the middle three (also alone). pat was his backup before Chiago so he knows the style.

No to Otto, etc.; Yes to Moreland for the 2011 Radio Booth

by Dan Serafini on Dec 15, 2010 8:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Are they? I would think it is all wrapped up somehow....

You could be right….If thats the case, look out, we might get bozo the clown!

by TJ11 on Dec 15, 2010 9:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Errrr... Wouldn't he be Garfield Goose?

If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.

by eths on Dec 15, 2010 9:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep.

“The Grand Prize Game” was never the same after Bozo started doing it. That was Frazier’s gig.

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Dec 15, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

I liked Ringmaster Ned better.

But for Garfield Goose and Family Classics, Frazier Thomas all the way.

Personally, Creature Features was my favorite thing on WGN as a kid.

We're out of glue.

by katie casey on Dec 15, 2010 12:09 PM CST up reply actions  

You are...But Ned seemed like a nicer guy....

Thomas yelled at me at the Bozo show when I was 13….I am scarred for life!!!!

by TJ11 on Dec 15, 2010 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Cooky was amazing!!!

I always liked to see him win vs Bozo every once in a while!

Wizzo was disturbing…

by TJ11 on Dec 15, 2010 5:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually, Frazier Thomas was one of the nicest people in the TV business.

I worked with him briefly during an internship I had at WGN in 1976. He was terrific to work with.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 16, 2010 7:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Hire Moreland if he wants it, he's better than Otto by a long shot.

otherwise, start interviewing. Forget pompous Grace.

"Boycott the Cub Convention! This team sucks!"

by Itchy on Dec 15, 2010 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

agreed. Kieth

would be my choice over Todd…

I didn't understand the "white-collar Cub fans", "blue-collar Sox fans" until much later in life. Harry Smith~ "For Cubs Fans Only".

by jeffstorm2 on Dec 15, 2010 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Where's Stoney?

Where’s Stoney hanging out these days. New Cubs management might be over the petty grousing?

by 87Saluki on Dec 15, 2010 8:34 AM CST reply actions  

I hear Stone on the radio the other day

and he said he will not be going to the Cubs booth. He also said that he had hear that Dave Otto is the leading candidate to take over the seat next to Hughes.

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by kaseyi on Dec 15, 2010 9:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Please no!!!!

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Dec 15, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Fergie Jenkins

He’d never do it full time, but he is full of stories and game knowledge. Thoughtful and has a really nice voice and was a friend of Ron’s. Maybe we don’t need Ron’s immediate replacement just yet. Why rush? I wouldn’t mind seeing key Cub’s veterans who also may have ties to the road teams. Have a few broadcasters and let things play out. Moreland was getting pretty good too by the end of the past season.

by BassBallMan on Dec 15, 2010 8:34 AM CST reply actions  

do you mean

a “college of color analysts”?
Kidding aside, I kind of like the idea, but to choose someone outright, I like Moreland, but I seldom listen to the radio braodcasts because I dont live up there.

Have a few broadcasters and let things play out. Moreland was getting pretty good too by the end of the past season.

"Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical." -Yogi Berra

by imacubman on Dec 15, 2010 9:06 AM CST up reply actions  

I would hate to have that turn into the guest appearances like the 7th inning stretch tho....

Todd H. gets my vote.

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by cooliogirl47 on Dec 15, 2010 10:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Todd Hundley?

"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella

by tripdenten on Dec 15, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

7th Inning Stretch

How about only having 20 guest conductors a season and the rest of the time having the organ play, “Take Me Out to the Ballgame”?

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Dec 15, 2010 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

An audio recording of Harry would be more than enough,

just play that 162 games per year.

"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella

by tripdenten on Dec 15, 2010 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Not A Bad Idea

It’s just it’s a joke to have guest conductors that don’t have any real ties to the Cubs that are just there to promote their product. If you cut the number of guest conductors to 20 a year, then you would get people to do it that genuinely like the Cubs. Having an audio recording of Harry wouldn’t be a bad idea the rest of the time.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Dec 15, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

I'll take that idea one step further...

…get a scoreboard with a tv screen in the OF and play a video of Harry singing the 7th inning stretch, with accompanying audio. Could have different ones too, like when they’re losing, have it end with “let’s get some runs!”

"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella

by tripdenten on Dec 15, 2010 12:09 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

That would be a good idea too, mix it up...

Although I feel the song is more associated with Harry than Ronnie. But they could definitely alternate.

Having said that, I’m sure we’ll be treated to years and years of D-List “celebrities” and people “from” Chicago butchering the song while plugging whatever product, event, or show they’re in.

"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella

by tripdenten on Dec 15, 2010 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Jaime Denton is offended you called him a D lister!

No to Otto, etc.; Yes to Moreland for the 2011 Radio Booth

by Dan Serafini on Dec 15, 2010 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Variety Is Good

I’m getting tired of the “D” list celebrities.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Dec 15, 2010 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

The funeral is over.

No need to have another one when spring training starts. Santo would agree.

by bourbon_and_branch on Dec 15, 2010 8:38 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Joe Carter!!!!

If not him, isn’t Joe Morgan looking for a gig?

by TJ11 on Dec 15, 2010 8:38 AM CST reply actions  

What about...???

Joe Morgan! I hear he’s available now.

/sarcasm

by Crash1207 on Dec 15, 2010 8:38 AM CST reply actions  

If I remember it correctly...

…Joe Morgan has moved back to Cincinnati and may have some sort of business interest there. I don’t think he would be interested in taking a job with the Cubs.

by Cubdog on Dec 15, 2010 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Moreland.

Oh, and Al, you’re too hard on Gracie. He’s no Vin Scully, but he’s not Steve Lyons, either.

by elgato on Dec 15, 2010 8:45 AM CST reply actions  

Damning with faint praise.

Gracie is dull, especially on the Arizona broadcasts. He and Pat would not mesh.

No to Otto, etc.; Yes to Moreland for the 2011 Radio Booth

by Dan Serafini on Dec 15, 2010 8:52 AM CST up reply actions  

No, Al isn't too hard on Grace

He sucks. I’ll never forget him hooting and hollering like a hillbilly during one broadcast when the Dbacks were trying to break up a no-hitter. Grace sucks, he should stay in AZ.

by dmlichte on Dec 15, 2010 8:56 AM CST up reply actions  

not to be insulting, but Gracie simply offers no insights beyond the obvious

I have no idea why Fox uses him nationally. He certainly can talk, but there is no substance.

ask not what the Cubs can do for you - ask what you can do for the Cubs.

by holy mackeral on Dec 15, 2010 9:03 AM CST up reply actions  

And you could say that about 98% of the analysts.

Most (not all) of them offer nothing beyond name recognition.

Shut up Joe Morgan.

by fsuapollo on Dec 15, 2010 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes and that's what we've had for the last two decades.

Sorry. I know it’s been only 2 weeks but the quality of insights now can only go up.

"Any old kind of a run wins it!"--Jack Brickhouse

by mattvegas on Dec 15, 2010 10:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree. But the Cubs gig is higher profile and presumably better paying than most color jobs

and therefore it should be able to attract a top talent.

ask not what the Cubs can do for you - ask what you can do for the Cubs.

by holy mackeral on Dec 16, 2010 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Grace does suck

and has a terrible voice.

"Boycott the Cub Convention! This team sucks!"

by Itchy on Dec 15, 2010 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Mark Grace

Okay, somebody on Fox disagrees with me and has Grace on regional Fox telecasts on Saturdays, but I think he’s mediocre.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Dec 15, 2010 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Moreland

I’ve listened to Karros on Fox and he over-analyzing things, in my opinion and he loves to hear himself talk, I think

by DebT on Dec 15, 2010 8:52 AM CST reply actions  

I enjoyed....

Kevin Millar during the Winter Meetings on the MLB Network..wouldn’t mind having him.

by cubsluver22 on Dec 15, 2010 8:54 AM CST reply actions  

A few thoughts
  1. is NO to Grace. He’s a terrible broadcaster. He’s a self absorbed buffoon who should stay in AZ.

Anyone who has heard the 2003 radio broadcasts from the playoffs got to hear Pat with Steve Stone. I’m not wanting this to be a Steve Stone thread, but I can say that those were tremendous broadcasts. They were two very intelligent baseball men who were also great broadcasters. I’d be shocked if this happened.

Karros and Sutcliffe would be great gets. Both also have good gigs and I’d be surprised to see either commit to a 162 game slate. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Cubs pursue Dan Plesac, who I believe lives in the western suburbs.

Even money would have it on either Moreland, Otto or Hollandsworth, with the edge to Otto, who has more and more been the fill-in. I actually think that Otto has gotten better over time.

If the Cubs want to consider another alternative, they could go with a different style of booth, the type that Hughes was used to in Milwaukee where there are essentially two play-by-play men. They switch every few innings and while both are in the booth, one is clearly doing the play-by-play and occasionally the other will chime in. Its the antithesis of the Pat and Ron show, but Hughes is likely meant for this. If they were interested, they could actually offer the 2nd PBP position to Cory Provus, who is very good.

by dmlichte on Dec 15, 2010 8:55 AM CST reply actions  

Plesac might be good.

Isn’t he committed to the MLB Network?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 15, 2010 9:05 AM CST up reply actions  

maybe Plesac has an "out clause", like every college football coach does

I think he is good, and MLB Network seems to have no problem finding ex-players to work there

ask not what the Cubs can do for you - ask what you can do for the Cubs.

by holy mackeral on Dec 15, 2010 9:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Plesac

I’m not sure about his commitment and when his contract ends. I agree that he likely has an out clause. Beyond that, I’d be surprised if MLB Network stood in his way.

by dmlichte on Dec 15, 2010 9:12 AM CST up reply actions  

duh! yes!

Plesac would (now) be my fav! (why didn’t anyone [myself included] think of that sooner?!)

I didn't understand the "white-collar Cub fans", "blue-collar Sox fans" until much later in life. Harry Smith~ "For Cubs Fans Only".

by jeffstorm2 on Dec 15, 2010 3:14 PM CST up reply actions  

If you have watched Plesac on MLB Network at all

You surely have noticed that extemporaneous comments are not his strong suit.

When he has time to organize his thoughts, he can be informative, humorous, and insightful.

When he has to just talk off the cuff…filling air time (like on the Diamond Demos) he is prone to being unable to form coherent sentences.

I really don’t think he would be very good on the radio broadcasts.

by azjazzman on Dec 15, 2010 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I have never like Plesac or Otto

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by BigJohnAZ on Dec 15, 2010 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I like your last idea there

of another play-by-play man switching along with Pat.

We're out of glue.

by katie casey on Dec 15, 2010 9:17 AM CST up reply actions  

It works well

They do it in Milwaukee, where Uecker and Cory Provus alternate. In Minnesota John Gordon and Dan Gladden work in a similar booth. There are a few other situations like this as well. What makes it work is that Pat Hughes is so knowledgeable about the game that he could provide color commentary. Along with Provus, Andy Masur has gotten similar experience to this, though Jerry Coleman provides occasional commentary when he is aware whats going on.

I’d be surprised to see the Cubs go this route, but there are two guys who have worked in the Cubs radio booth in recent history who could be brought back to sit along side Hughes.

by dmlichte on Dec 15, 2010 9:24 AM CST up reply actions  

This wouldn't be a bad idea.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 15, 2010 10:05 AM CST up reply actions  

This HAS to be the case

The next voice HAS to be able to do both color and pbp. No exclusive color men on radio.
That’s why Grace and Karros won’t work.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Dec 15, 2010 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

A self-absorbed buffoon?

Come on now, don’t pull punches, tell us what you really think. OK, you don’t like his broadcasting. The guy gave us 13 good years at first base, and loved playing here, and loved the fans. Ease off on hammering him into the ground, will you?

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Dec 15, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

He's a jerk.

When he finally did win (something he never did here – 1 playoff appearance where he played well but was not even the best 1B in the series), he first ripped the Cubs before celebrating.

He liked it here because he is/was a heterosexual man and enjoyed all that came with being the handsome ballplayer. The press loved him, again, because he was handsome and a good quote.

13 good years, but not great. The most overrated Cub in my mind.

No to Otto, etc.; Yes to Moreland for the 2011 Radio Booth

by Dan Serafini on Dec 15, 2010 1:00 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't have time today to really debate this....

but I’ll make my points, and I’ll give you the last word. First, his jab after the 2001 WS was directed at Andy McFail. I have never heard him say anything but good things about his time with the Cubs, or Cub fans in general. McFail forced him out because they were high on Hee Sop Choi….another bullseye for the McFail administration. I actually liked what he said about not being good enough to play for the Cubs, but being good enough to start for the world champs. Overall, anyone who is an enemy of McFail, is a friend of mine.

His, uh, adventures with the opposite sex would have happened no matter where he was playing. Many times during his career, he took one-year deals to stay in Chicago when he could have cashed in on the open market. Point is, he loved it here. Finally, 13 years of hitting .300, clutch with guys on base, Gold Glove fielding at 1B, great clubhouse guy, good ambassador for the Cubs and Chicago. HOFer? No. Very good player? Absolutely. And you’re downplaying his phenomenal effort in the ‘89 NLCS because he was upstaged by a super-human performance by Will Clark? Absurd. Grace is no saint. He left the Cubs on bad terms. Not a very good broadcaster. So what? After everything he did for the organization, I can’t understand all the anti-Grace sentiment on this site.

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Dec 15, 2010 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

He hit more pop ups the opposite way

than any man in history of that size. He had an axe to grind in ‘01 and for that, he never will be forgiven. He’s a Diamondback now.

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by Itchy on Dec 15, 2010 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

One extra nitpick:

he had two playoff appearances, in 1989 and 1998.

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Dec 15, 2010 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry to take up your time...

Correct, he was on two playoff teams. Clutch with guys on base? From 1987-2001, his batting average w RISP was lower than his overall average. He never drove in 100.

You agree with what he said after winning in Arizona. I found it eminently classless and pathetic (like a Sox fan that cares more about the Cubs losing than the Sox winning). If his bone was with McPhail, he should have singled him out, not the team he allegedly loved.

Would like to see evidence of the big cash he passed up as a free agent to stay.

Good Clubhouse guy? Evidence? I just remember him smoking, smiling, and ‘slump busting’ his way through one average-to-bad Cubs season after another, with the two playoff season (and one playoff victory) along the way.

No to Otto, etc.; Yes to Moreland for the 2011 Radio Booth

by Dan Serafini on Dec 15, 2010 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

What a fun guy you are!!!!! Grace was awesome!!!!

McFail deserved the shot Grace took at him!

Did you really get on him for hitting “only” .647 in a playoff series because Clark did better? He drove in 8 in 5 games!!! Not clutch?? Much more clutch than Sosa! He drove in a lot of runs for a guy with not much power, while being a very good fielding 1b….

WOW-You are amazing!

by TJ11 on Dec 15, 2010 8:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Mark Grace is my favorite player

which by no means does that mean anyone else is entitled to like him. He was a smart player, who did the job asked of him, and did it well. With that said he will never be a broadcaster in Chicago or will Stone. They have burnt way to many bridges, and unlike stone Grace is a sub par broadcaster at best. We can find better. seriously though diss him as a player. wow!

by Notsnud on Dec 15, 2010 9:37 PM CST up reply actions  

And don't forget all the times he's bragged

about getting Kerry Wood drunk the day before he was scheduled to pitch. I heard him tell the story so it’s not hearsay.
Cub fans complain about Joe Morgan bragging. I’ve never heard a guy more sold on himself than Grace.

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by mattvegas on Dec 15, 2010 10:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Piniella!

ask not what the Cubs can do for you - ask what you can do for the Cubs.

by holy mackeral on Dec 15, 2010 9:01 AM CST reply actions  

"Look, what do you want Quade to do?"

Every single day next season!!!!!!!

Or….“man, I never thought of that!”

by TJ11 on Dec 15, 2010 9:09 AM CST up reply actions  

A minor correction:

Look, did you want me to do that?

If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.

by eths on Dec 15, 2010 10:50 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I Know You're Joking, But...

Piniella was awful in the booth on Fox during the 2007 season.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Dec 15, 2010 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

As in "Look, what do you want me to say?"

If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.

by eths on Dec 15, 2010 11:53 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I keep saying this, but I want Dempster in the booth some day...

Radio or TV, but If i was a gambling man I would have to say if he did it would be television….

by BadDecisions on Dec 15, 2010 9:09 AM CST reply actions  

It would be nice having Moreland around!

I am sure he would enjoy talking about Soriano, them being the same type of player and all!

by TJ11 on Dec 15, 2010 9:17 AM CST up reply actions  

why?

I’ve got nothing against Moreland and thought he was decent, but why does it begin and end with Moreland? He didn’t strike me as anything fantastic. I’d be fine with it, but I think that there are several people who are quite a bit better.

by dmlichte on Dec 15, 2010 10:15 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

He's already done the job so he knows his way around a mic

He represents the next great era of Cub feel-goodism (1984). Seems like the ’84 guys always showed the ’69 guys a ton of respect and love which should help ease the transition and any lingering sadness from Santo.

And frankly, although they’d all be professionals and get the job done, I think Karros, Otto, Hollandsworth, et al. would all be a little intimidated and uneasy. Again, I think they’d be okay, but it would show through.

I just think Moreland has the right mix of talent, respect, humility and confidence to do the job – and do it well.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Dec 15, 2010 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

that makes no sense

First off, these guys all were ball players and have broadcast experience. Otto has done many more games than Moreland and Karros has done national games for Fox. Why on earth would any of these guys be intimidated? Moreland is the least experienced of any of the broadcasters that have been mentioned.

Moreland is fine, and if they go with him, I have no problem with it, but the certainty that the list starts and ends with him doesn’t make sense to me.

by dmlichte on Dec 15, 2010 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Moreland has done U of Texas broadcasts for over 15 years

Both baseball and football. Not all that inexperienced.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Dec 15, 2010 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

thats fine

I just think that your claims that Otto, Karros, et al would be intimidated while Moreland wouldn’t is baseless.

by dmlichte on Dec 15, 2010 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

I never said that

ballhawk did

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Dec 15, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

sorry..

… ballhawk, beercub… saw the B’s in the username

by dmlichte on Dec 15, 2010 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

He'll Stay With the Longhorns

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Dec 15, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

easy there, big fella...

Ok, how about this – MY list starts and ends with Keith Moreland.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Dec 15, 2010 12:41 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Ron's passing may be the time to let go of the baggage of 1969.

For reasons you and others have stated, Keith Moreland seems like the best choice. He’s knowledgeable and seems to have a good delivery and sense of humor, although he hardly fills the role of the classic WGN “lovable dummy” radio sidekick pioneered decades ago by Charlie Grimm, Kup, and the Good Kid, before being perfected by Ronnie.

"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62

"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64

by ernaga on Dec 15, 2010 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

There are plenty...

… of candidates who have nothing to do with the ‘69 Cubs. Otto, Plesac, Hollandsworth, Karros, etc. I dunno, Moreland was fine but didn’t impress me as being any better than any of the other candidates. I actually felt that Otto was getting better as he worked with Stone more.

by dmlichte on Dec 15, 2010 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree, although Karros and Hollandsworth may be a little too professional for the role...

Dave Otto seems to have the requisite clumsiness and he’s certainly knowledgeable. “Cubdog” may have been kidding when he suggested Mitch Williams in his post below, but Wild Thing may be an inspired choice.

"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62

"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64

by ernaga on Dec 15, 2010 3:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Too Professional?

I don’t see this as being a detriment. As I mentioned above, during the 2003 playoffs, Steve Stone substituted for Santo during at least the Marlins series. They replayed a certain game from this series on XM a few years back and the duo of Stone and Hughes was simply tremendous. I am not going to advocate for Stone because it isn’t going to happen, and hope that this doesn’t turn into a “pile on Stone”, thing, but the point is that having a someone who is technically excellent broadcaster/color man should be the way they go.

I know that there is an emotion to try to recapture the Pat and Ron show, but it isn’t going to happen. Why try to? Its almost insulting to Santo’s memory. There is no reason that the new tandem w/ Hughes can’t be equally as excellent, but in a very different way.

Williams… no thanks. He strikes me as someone who would be very similar to Jeff Brantley. Brantley was great in his days with ESPN, but with the Reds he has become a homer who sounds like a bumpkin.

by dmlichte on Dec 15, 2010 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

A professional approach would be welcome...

But, at least on radio, those lovable dummies like Ronnie seem to hold an audience and, because they are so much a part of the WGN radio sports tradition, I imagine their success may trump professionalism as a factor in the selection process.

The Dick Martin/Gracie Allen second-banana approach seems to draw good ratings even in New York. For example, look at Ralph Kiner who, although often adding insight, more typically brought mind-boggling inanity to Mets broadcasts for 50 years. In Cincy, you had Nuxhall; in Cleveland, Herb Score; Mike Shannon is still going strong in St. Louis – all of them amateurs who achieved high Q-ratings for decades.

Professionalism would be ideal, if Santo’s replacement can hold an audience as well as he did.

"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62

"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64

by ernaga on Dec 15, 2010 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe not. It wouldn't take long for Cubs fans to enjoy hearing a professional announcing team.

Again, I think Keith Moreland may be an ideal mix of professionalism, humor, and Cub identity. A more experienced announcer than Keith, with a smoother delivery and limited or no ties at all to the Cubs as a player might have a tougher time engaging listeners who have been accustomed for decades to the odd-couple pairings of Quinlan & Grimm, Quinlan & Boudreau, Lloyd & the Good Kid, and on through the years of Pat & Ron.

Even when other less-than-professional but still-beloved announcers such as Boudreau, Kiner, Rizzuto and Nuxhall were eased into retirement over several years, their successors had difficulty winning acceptance, with the exception of Bobby Murcer and Jim Kaat, who took over for Rizzuto with professionalism.

Ron’s sudden passing will make the transition on WGN much more difficult for whoever gets his job, but Moreland impresses me as a Murcer-type in the booth, and a worthy successor.

"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62

"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64

by ernaga on Dec 15, 2010 10:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I like Moreland, also

As to your point, while not invalid, remember that Pat Hughes had no connection to the Cubs in 1996. It didn’t take long for him to be accepted.

by Shanghai Badger on Dec 16, 2010 10:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Couldn't agree more....

…an excellent broadcaster who fits the bill as an Ex Cub too.

by JB 23 on Dec 15, 2010 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I sure hope they do this right.

Listening to Len and Bob is a great option, but I really ♥ Pat Hughes and prefer not to have to resort to that.

We're out of glue.

by katie casey on Dec 15, 2010 9:32 AM CST reply actions  

Moreland

Unless wgn can somehow lure away Greg Maddux from Hendry.

Just a thought.

But I did enjoy Moreland last year

It's time, guys. Let's win it for Ronnie...

by mikegncb34 on Dec 15, 2010 9:39 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

First, no rotating door like the 7th inning stretch.

Second, it has to be a Chicago Cub. Third, look at the demographics of the radio broadcast. This is carried into about 7 states. Farmers on tractors, senior citizens, truck drivers, blue collar workers, etc. I would guess the main audience is 40+ and probably more to the 50 and over crowd. You can’t replace Ron, but you have to come close with a homer, a Cub, a fan of the Cubs, a recognizable name.

I thought about this last week. I tossed the names Sutcliffe, Grace, Moreland, Davis, Otto, Stone, Hollingsworth, Karros around. Sarge Matthews with the Phillies broadcast too. I like Moreland, Karros and Hollingsworth probably the most. Sutcliffe in my opinion would be very good, but I doubt he would do it. Another name I thought of was Scott Sanderson. If you wanted to do something completely out of left field, hire a woman, there would be no comparisons to Ron, but I doubt that happens.

One problem is some of the more recent ball players are probably set financially and the older players that could probably use the money are just too old to handle the 162 games.

This is a very important decision for WGN. Whomever they hire, they have to be good… and respected… and funny… and knowledgeable. The affiliates bring in a lot of money not only to WGN but into their own local advertising market. If affiliates start dropping in a few years, it will be a disaster.

I would be interested to hear the finalists and how they interact with Pat Hughes. That’s going to be the final piece of this difficult decision. I for one, will still miss Ron no matter who is hired.

We'll miss you Big Boy. #10 for Hall of Fame.

by mrcubsfan on Dec 15, 2010 9:42 AM CST reply actions  

Ron Coomer? Lee Smith?

He does Twin broadcasts last I knew, and is more identified with that team, but he’s as entertaining as hell, at least during Fantasy Camps aided with a little Crown Royal. He’s also buddies with Moreland.

Karros would be a great choice, but I happen to know he lives in the South Bay here in L.A., has kids in school, and might be reluctant to leave that for 6-8 months each year. Now that he’s retired, he’s liking his lifestyle quite a lot. However, he’s a free thinker, he might go for this gig.

Sutcliffe, ever since his cancer, and even before that, has resolved to not working full time ever again. He’d be great, but I doubt he’d want to do it. Please, no Mark Grace, although I can see him being hired because we’d all hate it.

I’ve related the story before, but in San Francisco late one evening in a hotel bar I heard Santo say Steve Stone would never work for the Cubs again as long as he was alive. This was in the presence of Hendry, Piniella and Matt Sinatro. He freely told people that, so if anyone wants to honor Santo’s thinking, they stay away from Stone.

Too bad Randy Hundley is in his late 60’s. He DOES live and die by the Cubs, but it’s be unrequited at times. If they went stopgap, he might do it. I don’t know if Jody Davis is all that well spoken and/or outgoing for something like this. He really wants to manage, however. Another wild card is Lee Smith. He coaches in the Giant organization, but considers himself a Cub. Funny as can be, and we could have another broadcaster getting cheated by the Hall of Fame. Matter of fact, Santo had no radio experience either, you know.

Safe choices are Hollandsworth or Otto, who are like vanilla. Likeable vanilla, but still vanilla. I don’t know if listeners really want that. There mightbe complaining after a while.

Should be interesting.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Dec 15, 2010 10:07 AM CST reply actions  

Just might be real hard to find some one

that had the passion that Ronnie did . It cant be easy being on the road and missing from the dinner table so much . Fans of course want someone they can relate to . Sutcliffe,Davis,or Moreland . I dont think Grace or Stone would have a chance . THe Randy Hundley idea sounds good but the age thing bothers me .

Your Merlot advice worked well under the circumstances .

by cubs north on Dec 15, 2010 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

"Never work for the Cubs again as long as he (Santo) was alive"?...

…or was Santo just quoting Stone talking about his own intentions, saying something like “As long as I live, I’ll never work for the Cubs again.”?

"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62

"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64

by ernaga on Dec 15, 2010 4:56 PM CST up reply actions  

The exact quote from Santo:

“The only way that chickensh-t motherf—ker works for the Cubs again is over my dead body.”

It had to do with what Stone said on the air about the Cubs a few years back. Rather than go down to the clubhouse to say it to the players’ faces or explain what he meant, Stone sent Sharon Pannozzo. Santo, and others, took that as a less than manly way of handling the situation, thereby branding Stone a coward for all baseball eternity.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Dec 15, 2010 5:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I also think...

… that Santo and Stone had a very different view of the role of the commentator. Santo was a homer and Stone was unceasingly honest. Some fans like one end of the spectrum and other fans prefer the other. I don’t think its a surprise that the two didn’t get along.

by dmlichte on Dec 15, 2010 7:37 PM CST up reply actions  

i liked them both

for those exact reasons, then again many fans this side of TJ (especially on BCB) are brutally honest while still being a bit of a homer . i always get a kick out of the fact that many of the most brutally honest posters here on BCB cannot stand Stone for his brutal honesty

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by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 15, 2010 7:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Well Said
i always get a kick out of the fact that many of the most brutally honest posters here on BCB cannot stand Stone for his brutal honesty

And aside from Stone, its pretty much every commentator, columnist or prognosticator. People here can be brutally honest and others can unnecessarily rip the team, but then when some national writer does his pre-season predictions and says that he doesn’t feel that the Cubs have a strong team, people here scream that he’s biased.

by dmlichte on Dec 15, 2010 9:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Keith Moreland

This is a slam dunk. He did a GREAT job with Pat. He knows the team, the history and is a student of the game. Being an ex-Cub is also a BIG plus.

Look, no one can do what Ronnie did. We all know Ronnie was a cheerleader and that was great. There were NO expectations (or better said, there should not have been any expectations) that Ronnie function as a prototypical color guy. But things have changed and to now expect his replacement do what he did would be unfair to anyone. That since this person would ALWAYS be compared to Ronnie.

And it would be completely unfair to Pat to not get the best man for the post. So I say, get the man who’s almost the opposite of Ronnie’s most loving characteristic; cheerleader. That person IMO is Keith Moreland. He’s very insightful of the games’ conditions and situations and can provide great color while also being a Cub fan. I think he’d do a great job while we can all be rest assured Ronnie’s legacy as the man in the booth will continue forever without anyone trying to replicate his style.

Done…. ’nuff said.

Just win the next game...!

by blackhawk24 on Dec 15, 2010 10:17 AM CST reply actions  

...just have someone read the BCB game threads aloud ;)

Pat can work around them

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by cooliogirl47 on Dec 15, 2010 10:28 AM CST reply actions  

My votes are for Moreland

and Hundley. Moreland does a great job but being 52, I still would like to have a link with the ’69 Cubs on the broadcast to relive and dissect those days as well. I realize that Randy would be a poor choice because of his age, but I just wanted to opine why I chose him.

"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse

by BigJohnAZ on Dec 15, 2010 10:28 AM CST reply actions  

'69 Cubs

I think the Cubs need to move on from this. I don’t see why having a link to this team is a good thing.

by dmlichte on Dec 15, 2010 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

How so?

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Dec 15, 2010 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Reasonable minds can differ

IMO that was a great team that just never won it all

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Dec 15, 2010 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

and I get that...

… and I don’t want to diminish the importance of that team. But there are two sides to it and I think some downside when any team’s history gets so focused on one team. Another comparison is the Bears and the ’85 team. Some people are so fixated on the Mike Ditka as savior stuff that they fail to see the forest for the trees.

Beyond that, there are lots of Cub fans listening now, myself included, who were born after the ‘69 team. I think that Pat Hughes has such an astute sense of knowledge and history that he will continue to bring elements of all eras of Cubs baseball to the broadcast. Hopefully the guy gets a lifetime contract so he’s here for another 20 years.

by dmlichte on Dec 15, 2010 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree with you about the '69 team

Never has a team that accomplished so little been lionized so much.

I love the guys who played on that team, but I’d rather focus on teams that, you know, actually won something.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Dec 15, 2010 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Must Be Because They Stayed Together So Long

Ernie Banks, Billy Williams, Ron Santo, Glenn Beckert, Don Kessinger, Ken Holtzman, Ferguson Jenkins, Randy Hundley, and Bill Hands were all with the Cubs from 1966-1971.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Dec 15, 2010 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

There are a couple other factors too.

The fact that it was the late 1960’s, which the Baby Boomers have a hard time letting go of (sorry, but it’s true), and younger people of my generation are fascinated with because they wish they were around for that era. Second, the fact that people who grew up with that team had never seen the Cubs even field a competitive team in their lifetime, much less win anything, made it even more memorable. Finally, the personalities on the team, who played together so long and loved everything about playing in Chicago, and loved the fans, made them very memorable. A lot of factors, and I also think that with that epic collapse, it’s still the team that most symbolizes what it’s like to be a die-hard Cubs fan, more so than 1984 or 2003 because of the presence of so many Cubs icons on the team that ’84 and ’03 did not have, except for Sandberg.

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Dec 15, 2010 12:30 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

None of Those 1966-1971 Cubs

had been stars with other teams to that point. Holtzman was a star in Oakland afterwards. Fergie had a couple of great years with the Rangers in later years. With the 1984 Cubs, Cey had been a star with the Dodgers beforehand; Matthews and Bowa were with the Phillies; Eckersley were with the Red Sox; Sutcliffe were with the Indians. With the 2003 Cubs, Karros and Grudzielanek had been stars with Los Angeles; Alou had been with the Expos and Marlins; Lofton had been with a ton of teams.

Bill Hands started his career with the Giants, and Fergie began his career with the Phillies. Both of them came to the Cubs very early in their careers and started winning games in Chicago. Those other seven players, who stayed with the Cubs from 1966-1971, were homegrown products.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Dec 15, 2010 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Oops! Eckersley Was With the Red Sox; Sutcliffe Was With the Indians

I’ve got to get the subject and verb to agree.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Dec 15, 2010 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Great thoughts

I agree. That was the best summer of baseball in my life. Took 15 years to have another great summer and then another decade after that.

The Cubs had sucked for literally 2 decades after their last WS appearance and 1969 energized Chicago like nothing else, baseball wise. I love the 69 team for the excitement they brought to Chicago even though they failed in the end, not because they were “great”.

Getting into the playoffs is fine, but we want the Championship. I thnk a good amount of Cub fans would be like some Hawks fans-after such a long drought, finally get the monkey off their backs and then the team can move on. They may not ever get there again, but 99.9% of everyone on this blog has never heard the words “the Chicago Cubs are World Series Champions!”. Winning one during the time that the ’69 Cubs are still alive would be a special thing to enjoy.

"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse

by BigJohnAZ on Dec 15, 2010 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Although I was not around....

I know myself, and I know I would have loved the 1969 team. I did find one thing rather funny that I have to bring up, though. You said 99.9% of those on this blog have never heard the words “Chicago Cubs are World Champions.” Would the 0.1% who are the exception to this please speak up? :) I would go so far as to say that there are no living human beings on this planet who remember those words being spoken, much less anyone on this blog. Sorry, to nitpick, I just had to point out that unfortunate fact. Getting back to the main point, though, there is nothing wrong with holding onto that ‘69 team. It’s not a matter of honoring a team that lost. It’s about loyalty to guys you lived and died with. That’s an admirable trait, not anything to be ashamed of.

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Dec 15, 2010 5:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I've heard it...

It’s just never been true.

Late in the season, in the midst of an inning and it’s just past the top of the hour so Pat mentions that we’re due for a station break. Ron kinda mumbles "Didn’t we just have one of those?" and without missing a beat Pat says "About an hour ago."

by Champaign Cubbies on Dec 16, 2010 9:01 AM CST up reply actions  

And your list of Cub teams that won the WS after 1969 are...

put them in any order you want.

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by BigJohnAZ on Dec 15, 2010 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

You mentioned something about a team that has won something

Playoffs with no WS appearance to show for it=meh.

"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse

by BigJohnAZ on Dec 15, 2010 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Point being?

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Dec 15, 2010 5:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Point being

THEY WON SOMETHING. They ‘69 team didn’t.

How clear can I make it?

by Not Bruce Froemming on Dec 15, 2010 11:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll take them any day

Three Hall of Famers, Banks, Williams, Jenkins and a guy who should a Hall of Famer, Santo. A Hall of Fame manager, Durocher. A no hitter, Holtzman. League leader in strikeouts, Jenkins. Two starting All Stars, Kessinger and Santo. Three All Star reserves, Banks, Beckert and Hundley. Two 20 game winners, Jenkins and Hands. All four starting pitchers won 10 or more, Jenkins, Hands, Holtzman and Selma. Gold Glove shortstop- Kessinger.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Dec 16, 2010 12:53 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree.

Those of us who lived through that era and watched that team play understand why they are beloved. Yes, they didn’t win anything. In some ways, they may be more loved for that reason.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 16, 2010 7:45 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree full heartedly

If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.

by eths on Dec 16, 2010 8:50 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

'69 Cubs: Greatest Winners Forever!

Most importantly & eternally,

They won our hearts!

by GeneticCubsFan on Dec 16, 2010 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Bears Sidenote

I’d also have to agree on principle with Mike Ditka. I think the ’85 Bears were more of a product of the talent on the roster.

/ End rant

Late in the season, in the midst of an inning and it’s just past the top of the hour so Pat mentions that we’re due for a station break. Ron kinda mumbles "Didn’t we just have one of those?" and without missing a beat Pat says "About an hour ago."

by Champaign Cubbies on Dec 16, 2010 8:59 AM CST up reply actions  

It is a good thing.

But those guys are aging; as pointed out, Hundley is nearly 70 and the rest are over 70.

Time to move on to the next generation.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 15, 2010 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

DAN. PLESAC.

He’s a bit of a goofball and Pat obviously provides a perfect compliment to that type of personality. He also knows a lot more about baseball than he lets on, he surprises me with his knowledge on MLB Network. The only hurdle I see is the whole MLB Network contract, I think someone mentioned that earlier…

JoeFlah

by joeflah13 on Dec 15, 2010 10:38 AM CST reply actions  

Big Blue Train!

"Easy on the words, brother,'' Quade said.

by RiskyBusiness on Dec 15, 2010 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe it's time to replace the Carlos Peña poll on the front page

My vote is for whoever can keep the seat warm until Dempster retires.

BCB - We have our own dictionary!

by tony412 on Dec 15, 2010 10:42 AM CST reply actions  

Yeah, that's probably a good idea.

I’ll try to post a poll later today.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 15, 2010 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not sure Doug has the gift of gab

He’s seemed a bit awkward on the TV appearances I’ve seen.

That’s no slam on Glanville, because I love his columns in the NYT. I think he’s brilliant.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Dec 15, 2010 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Not bad

"Boycott the Cub Convention! This team sucks!"

by Itchy on Dec 15, 2010 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with the Moreland supporters

I thought he did a good job in his brief stints subbing for Santo. As mentioned above, he has a lot of experience, having worked Texas football and baseball for years. And he definitely has a Cubs connection.

I could live with Otto, but I think the Cubs can do better.

I hadn’t really thought about Plesac, but I think he’d do a good job.

No to Grace. Sutcliffe and Karros would be acceptable.

Judd Sirott must go. He’s fine on the Blackhawks, though.

I remember when Santo missed the 2003 playoffs and Stone did color with Hughes. That was fantastic radio. Always made me wonder how good Hughes would be if he didn’t have to carry Ronnie on his back for three hours a day (no disrespect intended). Here’s hoping we find out in 2011.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Dec 15, 2010 11:28 AM CST reply actions  

Mike Krukow?

If you can get him away from the Giants, he’d be a good choice. Of course, he has demonstrated the ability to do play-by-play. Because of his playing experience, I know he can do color. Though, Duane Kuiper is a good color guy in San Francisco. I doubt Krukow would want to leave. Maybe, he can’t leave contractually now. He’d be a good choice, if the Cubs can get him.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Dec 15, 2010 11:41 AM CST reply actions  

He's too tied to the Giants

to coin a phrase

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Dec 15, 2010 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

There is no way

Krukow leaves the Giants TV booth, especially to be a radio guy.

Also, Kuiper is the PBP guy and Krukow is the color guy.

Krukow is an institution in San Francisco. He loves Chicago, but the Bay Area is his home.

He’d be great, but he’s got a better job already.

by Josh Timmers on Dec 15, 2010 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Kuiper and Krukow

I do get those guys confused, when I’m watching a Giants game and I’m just hearing their voices, when they are not on camera.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Dec 15, 2010 5:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it may be...

…someone who most would not expect, but I may be reaching a bit.

You can’t replace what Santo brought to the broadcast and they should even try. I would think they will go with someone who is going to be much more analytical, but as some Cub ties if possible.

I have incredible respect for Santo as a player and what he went through later on in life, but I have to admit, it was painful to listen to him at times, probably because I felt sorry for him more than anything.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Dec 15, 2010 11:46 AM CST reply actions  

Just for the record,

my vote goes for Moreland. I think he would represent the WGN listeners very well, and brings a great Cubs background to the job.

But slightly OT: can we please either abandon, or at least modify the 7th-inning stretch guest conductor thing? By modify, I mean the following: it should be limited to Chicago athletes, past or present, college coaches in the Chicago area or Illinois, or even national ones if they have STRONG ties to Chicago, or celebrities who are REAL and authentic Cub fans (Bill Murray, Bonnie Hunt, Jeff Garlin, Jim Belushi, Gary Sineese, Vince Vaughn, and a few others). I’m so sick of the TV booth being turned into David Letterman’s sofa every bottom of the seventh so any celebrity in town can stop in for a photo-op and a plug for their latest project. It makes me ill.

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Dec 15, 2010 11:58 AM CST reply actions  

That "writer" from some crappy newspaper can go f***himself.

There’s a conversation in Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby (stay with me here):

Mr. Dennit: Ricky, your little obscene gesture is going to cost you 100 points. Do you know how much that costs us in sponsorship dollars?
    Ricky: With all due respect, Mr. Dennit, I had no idea you’d gotten experimental surgery to have your balls removed.
    Mr. Dennit: What did you just say to me?
Ricky: What? I said it with all due respect!
    Mr. Dennit: Just because you say that doesn’t mean you get to say whatever you want to say to me!
    Ricky: It sure as hell does!
    Mr. Dennit: No, it doesn’t—
    Ricky: It’s in the Geneva Conventions, look it up!

Just because this hack says:

Can I say this now safely without sounding like a heartless oaf?

doesn’t excuse you from speaking ill of the dead or, for that matter, make you a less of a jerkoff.

::Rant & swearing, over::

Dan

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Dec 15, 2010 11:59 AM CST reply actions  

Wow. I hadn't read that article til you pointed it out.

Wish I hadn’t. Makes me somewhat sick. I have heard some similar thoughts, but not written in such a cruel manner. Yikes. He is a heartless oaf.

We're out of glue.

by katie casey on Dec 15, 2010 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

i'll finally be able to listen to radio broadcasts

they had become totally unlistenable the last few years for anyone who actually wanted to follow the game. i strongly disagree with Al’s contention that “almost everyone” loved having a die-hard fan in the booth. i know quite a few people, along with myself, who literally couldn’t listen to a second of cubs broadcasts on the radio. thank god for DVR. also, mark grace may or may not be a serviceable color commentator, but anyone using the “self absorbed” accusation to rule him out needs to listen to pat hughes for a few days (although the best way to get a true feel for how completely and utterly full of himself pat hughes is is to actually be around him). he’s always been a decent broadcaster who listened to his own hype which was coming from a vocal minority and turned himself into a legend in his own mine. pat hughes loves him some pat hughes.

by John T. Unger on Dec 15, 2010 12:09 PM CST reply actions  

wow, do I disagree
although the best way to get a true feel for how completely and utterly full of himself pat hughes is is to actually be around him

If this is the case, he puts on a hell of a show. I’ve gone up to him a handful of times, during spring training and at Cubs Convention and I have never seen a guy more generous with his time and more genuinely interested in what other people have to say. I have approached him expecting simply a cursory response, but instead he engaged me in conversation and actually listened to what I was saying.

by dmlichte on Dec 15, 2010 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree.

I’ve gone up to him for an autograph and he treated me as if I was the one to thank. He seemed downright humble.

We're out of glue.

by katie casey on Dec 15, 2010 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I couldn't disagree more

It's time, guys. Let's win it for Ronnie...

by mikegncb34 on Dec 15, 2010 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

no shocker that everyone is disagreeing with this given the venue

and that’s fine. as someone who likes listening to baseball on the radio though, i’m looking forward to a broadcast that is 50% listenable (assuming they hire someone that’s listenable).

by John T. Unger on Dec 15, 2010 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

This is nonsense

If you have an example of Hughes being full of himself or whatever, give it to us. I don’t see how the venue has anything to do with it. If anything venues like these encourage people to rip on celebs with the anonymity that comes with blogs. So if you have an example, let us know, otherwise this is just bs.

I’ll go a step further in defense of Hughes. My job sees me work with lots of teenagers. Some went to high school with Pat’s oldest daughter, who is now in college. They were also very good friends with her and spent a good amount of time at the Hughes household. They had nothing but good things to say about him and said he was a genuinely nice guy.

Give an example of Pat’s so called self absorbed behavior and it will be the first.

by dmlichte on Dec 15, 2010 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I disagree

I took my grandma and my son to meet Pat Hughes at a book signing for the Voices of Baseball: Harry Caray book a few years back. He was unbelievably gracious.

He took time to take pictures and answer questions from everyone.

I’ve met a number of celebrities and sports figures, and I don’t think I’ve ever met anyone who was more humble and gracious of his fans.

by HectorVillanueva on Dec 15, 2010 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Wait a minute here

You think Pat Hughes is self-absorbed?

That couldn’t be any more off-base. Pat Hughes is one of the nicest and most humble people I have ever met. He is genuinely happy to meet and talk with anyone. I talked with him at the convention, before road games, at Wrigley and even HoHoKam. He is truly one of the most genuine people I could ever imagine.

Just win the next game...!

by blackhawk24 on Dec 15, 2010 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

well...

I agree that listening to Ronnie could be a little rough at times. (particularly if the Cubs were losing big)

I absolutely disagree about Pat. I think he’s a great listen on the radio. I don’t think he talks himself up at all. I met him at the Cubs Convention this year and he was very gracious and I very much enjoyed talking to him.

by rgonzale on Dec 15, 2010 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

By all accounts, Pat Hughes is not self-absorbed at all

In fact, he apparently is just the opposite.

I don’t know where you get this impression.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Dec 15, 2010 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

How about Lou?

Pat: Here’s the pitch from Cashner…There’s a deep drive to center and that ball is gone! Looks like Cashner may be tiring a bit Lou.

Lou: Look, what do you want him to do?

Pat: There’s a ground ball in the hole…GREAT play by Castro…OH NO…the ball gets by Pena at 1st and the run scores. He had no chance at him at 1st, Lou.

Lou: Look, what do you want him to do?

Lou and Pat would be great together.

"I don't care who the manager is OR who they sign in the off-season...I just want a frickin' World Series winner" - Easy Ed

by Easy Ed on Dec 15, 2010 12:13 PM CST reply actions  

that's great

let’s see how many people can suggest lou and then make unfunny jokes about in the same thread?

by John T. Unger on Dec 15, 2010 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I prefer John T. Older's opinions....

No to Otto, etc.; Yes to Moreland for the 2011 Radio Booth

by Dan Serafini on Dec 15, 2010 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Or Felix Unger

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Dec 15, 2010 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

^^ lol, rec

"Easy on the words, brother,'' Quade said.

by RiskyBusiness on Dec 15, 2010 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Nothing else to say

Rec’d.

Just win the next game...!

by blackhawk24 on Dec 15, 2010 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Bill Murray

Honestly – I would just like to see someone with a history with the Cubs come in.

I just feel since Ricketts has come on as owner, that a lot of the Cubs history has been severed from the current team. I know that isn’t realy true… but after losing Ryno, then Santo… I just think having someone with a positive Cubs history, coming in, (even for just a year), would be nice.

This is my opinion.

by TheHawkRules on Dec 15, 2010 1:52 PM CST reply actions  

not a bad one... colorful guy...

I didn't understand the "white-collar Cub fans", "blue-collar Sox fans" until much later in life. Harry Smith~ "For Cubs Fans Only".

by jeffstorm2 on Dec 15, 2010 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

STOP IT RIGHT HERE!!

Eddie Olczyk. He is a big Cub fan.

by Employee22 on Dec 15, 2010 2:59 PM CST reply actions  

As I said earlier

I will guarantee the next person will be able to do color AND pbp. That’s the only way to go.
That could be Otto, could be Andy Masur, who could leave SD.

As I said earlier, he was looking last winter at other gigs out of SD, as reported locally.
He’s come along very well and would be a great addition to the Cubs radio booth, and eventually could take over for Hughes upon his retirement.

I vote for Andy Masur.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Dec 15, 2010 3:15 PM CST reply actions  

That wouldn't be a bad choice.

Neither would Cory Provus.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 16, 2010 7:47 AM CST up reply actions  

While we chat about broadcasters, YAHOO Reports Big Z...

Has been mentioned to be getting the attention of the Yankees!!! He’s “Plan B” after they lost out on Lee. I know, it’s YAHOO…but were it true…that might free up an awful lot of payroll.

I didn't understand the "white-collar Cub fans", "blue-collar Sox fans" until much later in life. Harry Smith~ "For Cubs Fans Only".

by jeffstorm2 on Dec 15, 2010 3:31 PM CST reply actions  

In order of my preference:

Eric Karros, Dave Otto, Mark Grace, Chris Singleton

by EJThunder on Dec 15, 2010 3:34 PM CST reply actions  

Only Otto has a chance.

If this was TV, all would have a chance. But not on radio.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Dec 15, 2010 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Ehhhh, I disagree, at least when it comes to Karros.

Whenever the guy would talk on FOX, he always amazed me. I think that could easily translate to the radio.

I do agree with your vote for Masur.

by EJThunder on Dec 15, 2010 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

It's not that Karros couldn't do a good job

Radio is different now, and with Ronnie, the Cubs did it differently. The radio booth has to have guys who can do both color and pbp. Karros can’t do pbp. He’s a great TV guy.

In the past, with Brennaman, Santo and Brenly in the WGN booth Harry would come in and spell Tom B, who would so some innings on TV.

That won’t work anymore, too many people, too many paychecks.
It’s austere times in broadcasting.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Dec 15, 2010 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm a "BCB Dummy"... don't know the first thing about doing that!

I didn't understand the "white-collar Cub fans", "blue-collar Sox fans" until much later in life. Harry Smith~ "For Cubs Fans Only".

by jeffstorm2 on Dec 15, 2010 3:34 PM CST reply actions  

perhaps I shall...

Let me do a bit more research first, try to get some “details”. Thanks SDSJM

I didn't understand the "white-collar Cub fans", "blue-collar Sox fans" until much later in life. Harry Smith~ "For Cubs Fans Only".

by jeffstorm2 on Dec 15, 2010 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Done. Few typos,

but I was alil nervous as its my first time. Thanks for your encouragement SDSJM!

I didn't understand the "white-collar Cub fans", "blue-collar Sox fans" until much later in life. Harry Smith~ "For Cubs Fans Only".

by jeffstorm2 on Dec 15, 2010 4:00 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Oh...I don't know how to break this to you...but...

someone beat you to it. I think SDSJM was pulling you leg.

We're out of glue.

by katie casey on Dec 15, 2010 4:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Cruel n Heartless "joke" by SDSJM...

I’ve deleted the post…picked up my ball, and I’m headed home! I worked aaaaallllll day, then, wasted 20 mins time on a second post??? Why…if I ever get my hands on SDSJM…I tellya…I’ll moider him!!! Thanks tho Katie (but not for the charly brown post… 1st yr here…kids can be soooo cruel!) sniff

I didn't understand the "white-collar Cub fans", "blue-collar Sox fans" until much later in life. Harry Smith~ "For Cubs Fans Only".

by jeffstorm2 on Dec 15, 2010 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I was about to warn you

but when I was about to hit post your own comment that you were done popped up. Felt bad for you.

If it makes you feel any better…I thought it was a good fanpost. I was about to vote in your poll too. And now you know how to do it for next time.

We're out of glue.

by katie casey on Dec 15, 2010 4:40 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Thank you katie

The laughs on me. But I just had a bear of a day, had just gotten home & just saw article post on Yahoo. NBD. But it wasted my time. I attempt to treat everyone here respectfully, as I am a newer member. At 52, you’d think I’d know that “We live with children all our lives (whether we have our own or not)”. I was gullable n trusting. won’t do that again. Even if SDSJM was “foolin’ about”…not funny. IMHO, woulda been just as easy to have posted “There’s a fan-post on this subject already” or “news broke earlier today”. Instead… The posts above. I wanna blame the parents…but that’s not fair to them. Thanks for your kind words. Obviously, some people have a lot of time to visit BCB whether they’re working or unemployed. I work 45-60 each week. (and I’m OLD!). :]

I didn't understand the "white-collar Cub fans", "blue-collar Sox fans" until much later in life. Harry Smith~ "For Cubs Fans Only".

by jeffstorm2 on Dec 15, 2010 4:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Hope you have a better day tomorrow

and sorry for the Charlie Brown post. :)

We're out of glue.

by katie casey on Dec 15, 2010 5:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks. Seeya 'round.

I didn't understand the "white-collar Cub fans", "blue-collar Sox fans" until much later in life. Harry Smith~ "For Cubs Fans Only".

by jeffstorm2 on Dec 15, 2010 5:05 PM CST up reply actions  

No hard feelings?

I posted some “nasty digs”… sorry. Thought didn’t occur to me it could’ve been an “innocent mistake”.

I didn't understand the "white-collar Cub fans", "blue-collar Sox fans" until much later in life. Harry Smith~ "For Cubs Fans Only".

by jeffstorm2 on Dec 15, 2010 5:10 PM CST up reply actions  

PS- It w-a-s a pretty decent post...

Even if I say so myself! :]

I didn't understand the "white-collar Cub fans", "blue-collar Sox fans" until much later in life. Harry Smith~ "For Cubs Fans Only".

by jeffstorm2 on Dec 15, 2010 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

It was a good post. I saw it

I just didn’t read anything else but this main page post, so didn’t notice anything else. This work stuff…..you know…

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Dec 15, 2010 5:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Ok. Let's bury this.

We’ve both apologized, innocent error, you’re busy, I know. You accept my apology I hope? I like BCB A LOT, I wanna be “comfortable here”…manure happens Merry Christmas & Happy Yada-Yada to you Sir! :]

I didn't understand the "white-collar Cub fans", "blue-collar Sox fans" until much later in life. Harry Smith~ "For Cubs Fans Only".

by jeffstorm2 on Dec 15, 2010 5:26 PM CST up reply actions  

You never asked what I do for a living...

In large part, I investigate things. Your screen-name does not appear in the “other” Z trade post…I am more than confident this was accidental. Good Night Sir. Simply bad timing…on both our parts! Jeff

I didn't understand the "white-collar Cub fans", "blue-collar Sox fans" until much later in life. Harry Smith~ "For Cubs Fans Only".

by jeffstorm2 on Dec 15, 2010 5:33 PM CST up reply actions  

You Sir, I'll take you at your word.

I know I’ve done nothing to offend you. Maybe just bad timing?

I didn't understand the "white-collar Cub fans", "blue-collar Sox fans" until much later in life. Harry Smith~ "For Cubs Fans Only".

by jeffstorm2 on Dec 15, 2010 5:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll get you for that, SDSJM...

and your little dog too!

I didn't understand the "white-collar Cub fans", "blue-collar Sox fans" until much later in life. Harry Smith~ "For Cubs Fans Only".

by jeffstorm2 on Dec 15, 2010 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm rooting for Mark Grace to get the job...

so Al can enjoy the radio broadcasts the way some of us did when Santo was the regular color guy.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 15, 2010 4:11 PM CST reply actions  

bring back Jim West

ask not what the Cubs can do for you - ask what you can do for the Cubs.

by holy mackeral on Dec 15, 2010 5:38 PM CST reply actions  

hopinng for a sarcasm alert?

I didn't understand the "white-collar Cub fans", "blue-collar Sox fans" until much later in life. Harry Smith~ "For Cubs Fans Only".

by jeffstorm2 on Dec 15, 2010 5:39 PM CST up reply actions  

dang "double-taps" on this computer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Possessed by the spirit of TJ11)

I didn't understand the "white-collar Cub fans", "blue-collar Sox fans" until much later in life. Harry Smith~ "For Cubs Fans Only".

by jeffstorm2 on Dec 15, 2010 5:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Top pick - Mazur

I liked Andy Mazur. Moreland would probably be a good fit. Haven’t seen much of Karros, but sounds like he would work. Actually, I like Darrin Jackson on the radio if they could steal him from the Sox.

They need somebody with a good radio voice who has something to say and conveys enthusiasm. Don’t care too much for Sirott’s and Otto’s voices. Brenly and Casper probably have it better on TV with more days off, else wouldn’t mind one of them.

by AboutTheCubs on Dec 15, 2010 6:26 PM CST reply actions  

Ernie Banks or Billy WIlliams!!

Mr. Cub!!

"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on Dec 15, 2010 6:31 PM CST reply actions  

....just bought a Ron Santo tribute magazine/book type thing....great pictures of him in it.

You open it up and almost the first thing you see is a cap with “#10 forever” on it and a red rose….very sweet. It’s a very cool cap and had to have meant alot to whomever left it. very cool

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Dec 15, 2010 6:39 PM CST reply actions  

Got that book too.

Read it cover to cover the other night. The photos are fantastic.

We're out of glue.

by katie casey on Dec 16, 2010 7:14 AM CST up reply actions  

got to give my first vote to Moreland

then Karros or Sutcliffe. I wonder how Hollandsworth would do

Chronologically inept since 2060
"I could be writing this crap!" -- Crow T. Robot
Me: Q: I can run but not walk. Wherever I go, thought follows close behind. What am I?
Wrigster A: Theriot

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 15, 2010 7:14 PM CST reply actions  

I hear Joe Morgan is available

Chronologically inept since 2060
"I could be writing this crap!" -- Crow T. Robot
Me: Q: I can run but not walk. Wherever I go, thought follows close behind. What am I?
Wrigster A: Theriot

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 15, 2010 8:00 PM CST reply actions  

I like the idea of Hollandsworth or Karros....

though I think Moreland or Pleasac would be fine. I don’t mind Otto but I think I would prefer he remain the go-to sub. The idea of Andy Masur returning is intriguing.

"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"--The Brain

by brook on Dec 15, 2010 8:12 PM CST reply actions  

Milo was the first name that popped into my head, but he is 82 and only works home games for Houston.

13- Warner, 23- Sandberg, 40- Tillman, 11- Walter

by TBru on Dec 16, 2010 8:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Rick Monday

He does color and some play by play on Dodger radio with Charley Steiner. Great radio voice, kind of a somnambulist. Was a Cub during the 70’s, saved the flag and all that.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Dec 15, 2010 10:00 PM CST reply actions  

Oh God NO

Unless you LIKE affected speech. Scully retires, and the Dodgers will be left with him, Charlie Steiner and the goof who dropped his pants and old Comiskey and lost a network gig with Fox due to idiotic comments.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Dec 15, 2010 10:37 PM CST up reply actions  

That's not a great radio voice

That’s an “old style” (not beer) announcer voice with his hand on his ear, if you remember the Gary Owens parody from so long ago…

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Dec 15, 2010 10:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey now

I’m just throwing names out there, but he fits to a tee the protoptype you’ve said will be hired. He can do play by play, color and as an added bonus, has Cub history behind him.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Dec 16, 2010 9:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Lyons isn't bad

You’re villifying him over two mistakes, one of which, the target of the ill-conceived joke (Piniella) immediately said that the didn’t think that the perceived intent was there.

by Shanghai Badger on Dec 16, 2010 10:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Sato Replacement

No way Mr. Pat Hughes could go SOLO for a full season, after he DOES NOT do a full game now!!!! The only one out there worth his salt is STEVE STONE. And he is not available. I only wish we could get rid of Bob Brenly!!!!!

EARL O. SCOTT

by BionicBippy on Dec 15, 2010 10:59 PM CST reply actions  

Honesty compels me to say,

I really really love Mr. Pat Hughes…..and I would just ask him…….Who would you choose to be your next partner?

by deadcatbounce on Dec 15, 2010 11:11 PM CST reply actions  

My vote goes to Moreland...but does he want the job?

Like many that have already commented, I thought Moreland did a genuinely good job filling in. But I wonder if he would really want the job….cause he’s in a pretty sweet gig right now, doing both football and baseball for the University of Texas, where he played both sports as a student. While WGN radio would probably pay more, it also requires him to take up the MLB travel schedule for eight months a year as he nears sixty. On top of that, he’s become a fixture in Austin and an ambassador for his alma mater. Moreland relishes that role, as he makes clear in a bio feature by the Austin paper.

If WGN really wanted him above all other potential candidates, I suppose they could work out a deal where he could still do Longhorns football and we’d get Dave Otto on September Saturdays. Still, as much calling Cubs games seems like a plum position to all of us, I can’t imagine that deciding to take the job would be a no-brainer for Moreland, a professional that already has a very comfortable announcing gig.

"I'd rather play baseball than eat." - Andy Pafko

by LaddieRenfroe on Dec 16, 2010 8:42 AM CST reply actions  

I nominate BlueMike for 1/3 of an inning among other antitypes

Just to purge him for the year, and then hopefully, the guys in white coats and jackets will take him to the happy home where life is beautiful all the time.

Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..

coda

ELO, 1975

by cubnational on Dec 16, 2010 9:13 AM CST reply actions  

Terry Smith of the Angels....

….. was a life long minor league announcer, moslty for the Columbus Clippers, when the Angels hired him.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Dec 17, 2010 8:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Just say no

to Gracie!!

I’m heartened to see all the hate for Gracie! I thought I was the only Cubs fan who couldn’t stand the guy once he stepped into a broadcast booth. I felt kinda cheated after I signed up for MLB Extra Innings last season because I knew there was one broadcast I could NEVER watch: the D’Backs!

I honestly think he could never pull his mug away from the cameras to do radio, so probably not much chance…

by VikesNCubsDeadEnder on Dec 16, 2010 11:54 AM CST reply actions  

Wild card--Todd Walker

I heard him do a few national games, I think ESPN, shortly after he retired and thought he had a future. Nice, husky voice and has recent ties to Cubs. He may be doing something else, but somebody like that, from a more recent team, could be a surprise candidate.

His connection to the Cubs isn’t strong but neither is Dave Otto’s. I’m OK with most any of the above except maybe Hundley who is too old (and they need to move past the 69 team anyway). Don’t quite get the hate toward Gracie.

by QuincyCub on Dec 16, 2010 7:55 PM CST reply actions  

Biggest whiner I can remember in 30+ years following the Cubs

I never saw any player who knew right away what the announcers of both teams were saying during the game. No thanks.

by Shanghai Badger on Dec 17, 2010 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

What is Lee Elia up to theses days?

13- Warner, 23- Sandberg, 40- Tillman, 11- Walter

by TBru on Dec 16, 2010 8:20 PM CST reply actions  

He's an assistant to Ned Colletti with the Dodgers

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Dec 17, 2010 8:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Ok, I will be the guy...

…who says, I never liked Ron Santo as a broadcaster. I never saw him play so I can’t comment on his skills as a player, I’m from the ‘84 Cubs era. Having read several of comments here, I know I’m in a miniscule minority but he made the broadcasts worse, not better. A member of the broadcast team should know how many outs there are in the inning and should not have to “look at the monitor” in order to provide insight on a radio broadcast. His cutesy fumbling and inane banter with Pat only contributed to the lovable loser Cubs image that I detest. He was a diehard fan and a exceedingly charitable man and will be missed by thousands of Cubs fans. I just hope whomever succeeds him is more polished behind the mic.

by scrubs on Dec 16, 2010 8:41 PM CST reply actions  

Scrubs- that is

exactly what we old timers loved about Ronnie! I saw him play many times as a kid… a fan-fav! I see ur point about “behind the mic”… but, Ronald Edward Santo was exactly like anyone of us…exactly

I didn't understand the "white-collar Cub fans", "blue-collar Sox fans" until much later in life. Harry Smith~ "For Cubs Fans Only".

by jeffstorm2 on Dec 17, 2010 5:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I would be happy if they signed the Greek

but this is definitely something thats gonna take time to decide

You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.

by DocPepper on Dec 17, 2010 1:16 AM CST reply actions  

*by signed,

I mean hired to do broadcasts. My mind is in offseason deal mode.

You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.

by DocPepper on Dec 17, 2010 1:17 AM CST up reply actions  

I vote for Al

How’s your “AW JEEEZ,” these days, Al?

Proud recipient of a hot dog shot from the Iowa Cubs hot dog gun.

by IowaCubs- on Dec 17, 2010 9:57 AM CST reply actions  

LOL

I accept.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 18, 2010 10:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Kerry Wood

yes, I know, he’s still active as a player. But he would have been a great replacement for Santo.

by frustratedfan on Dec 19, 2010 3:58 PM CST reply actions  

True.

Maybe once he’s retired, he can go into the booth.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 20, 2010 5:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Kerry Wood

Maybe they should offer him the job and urge him to retire to take it…

by frustratedfan on Dec 21, 2010 11:31 PM CST reply actions  

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