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Just a crazy thought/question about pitchers...

In the Lance Berkman post, I joked around and said I would rather have Zambrano play 1B than sign Berkman. I thought, "why couldn't a pitcher like Z (a decent hitter, etc.) play a position like 1B once in a while between his starts? It's not like he has to throw a whole bunch. Would it totally just kill his recovery time? Has there ever been a time when a pitcher has been used like this?

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I’m not suggesting we do this with Z…just a thought.

by bilbosbuttons on Dec 4, 2010 8:38 PM CST reply actions  

No.

There are very few pitchers who hit well enough to play in between starts. Z isn’t one of them, either. For the fun we get from his occasional home runs, he’s really a pretty bad hitter. He’s struck out in 1/3 of his career AB (218/615) and has walked only eight times.

Here’s another reason the Cubs need a more flexible roster: Z is an awful, awful pinch-hitter. He’s 2-for-28 lifetime — both singles — with 14 strikeouts. Sending him up there is an automatic out. Mike Quade needs to never, ever do this with Z again.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 4, 2010 8:56 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

 b/c I had no idea he was THAT bad of PH. Wonder how others do.

''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Dec 5, 2010 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Example.

Can’t find a way to figure out how all pitchers do while pinch-hitting, but Jason Marquis, who is actually a decent hitter, is 6-for-29 lifetime pinch-hitting, with one double, one triple, one walk and eight strikeouts.

That’s not terrible, but I still wouldn’t use the average pitcher as a PH unless you had one who was outstanding at bunting in a situation where you needed a sac and the guy up there wasn’t as good.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 6, 2010 7:15 AM CST up reply actions  

But when Zambrano does get a hit

It’s really fun to watch his big body run.

"Easy on the words, brother,'' Quade said.

by RiskyBusiness on Dec 6, 2010 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

In answer to your question..

…. really, the last player to be used this way was Babe Ruth, and he finally gave up pitching. And that was more than 90 years ago. Baseball just doesn’t work that way any more, and Ruth was, obviously, unique in baseball history.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 4, 2010 8:57 PM CST reply actions  

baby ruth?

"Whenever one finds himself in the majority, it is time to step back and reflect," Mark Twain.

by WindisBlowingOut! on Dec 4, 2010 11:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Anecdotal versus reality

I think a lot of us get caught remembering the good results (the HRs) and forget the reality of performances like Z or bronson arroyo or others…

Given how pitchers have hit through the years, if this were feasible I would imagine we would have seen it through the 50’s and 60’s…

It’s certainly a fun discussion topic but it doesn’t seem to be much more than anecdotal evidence…still curious what our answer at first will be in 2011.

Proudly waving the Cubbie Blue from Northern Missouri! GO CUBS GO!

by Tater01 on Dec 4, 2010 9:17 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

WHY DO PEOPLE THINK Z CAN HIT????

Have you ever watched him bat? He takes 3 huge, not-graceful cuts and if he makes contact, great, otherwise it’s an out. If he had 500 ABs he’d bat in the .100s.

Yes'm

by OrangeGore on Dec 5, 2010 10:43 AM CST reply actions  

but how many home runs

cause really, all we care about is home runs.

by Lweb23 on Dec 6, 2010 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe Z will play 1st in Japan some day

A few years ago, I was surprised to learn that Don Newcombe played in Japan as a first baseman in 1962 at the age of 36 after his pitching career was over. He hit .262 with 12 homers In 81 games with the Nagoya Dragons. I can see where doing something like that might appeal to Z.

Yeah, I know there should be an apostrophe in "Vails," but punctuation wasn't an option when I signed up.

by Mike Vails Evil Twin on Dec 5, 2010 12:04 PM CST reply actions  

I could almost see Z doing that after he retires.

Just on a lark. He probably wouldn’t want to be away from his family that long, though.

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by daver on Dec 6, 2010 9:25 AM CST up reply actions  

The Diamondbacks played around with the idea of using Owens as a first baseman

…but ultimately decided against it. They never said why though.

The problem is unless they’re ambidextrous (like Z) they can only play first where they won’t have to throw. And if they play first, they have to be a better hitter than the alternatives, which basically means Owings is the only person who could do that.

by Wreckard on Dec 6, 2010 12:27 PM CST reply actions  

You'd think Owings would try to come back as a 1B...

… considering his pitching career has pretty much flamed out.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Dec 6, 2010 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

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