Cubs sign Carlos Pena
Says Jon Heyman
http://twitter.com/#!/SI_JonHeyman
Pena deal is done with #cubs, who get their lefthanded hitter and plus defender
Muskat says it is 1 year, 10 Mil.
#Cubs deal with Carlos Pena believed to be one year, $10 million. Expect more news later Wednesday
I think Carlos Pena has a chance to have a bounce back year. I like the addition. I believe he will be healthy this year and put up much better numbers then next year. 10 million seems like a lot, but the Cubs probably had to pay more for a 1 year deal.
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Wait a minute.
How does a guy who hit .196 last year get a 10 Million dollar deal? Better yet, how does someone with a career .246 BA get a 10 million dollar deal? Can he pitch too?
Yes'm
2 words:
Scott. Boras.
"Whenever one finds himself in the majority, it is time to step back and reflect," Mark Twain.
by WindisBlowingOut! on Dec 8, 2010 12:50 AM CST up reply actions
and make sure you emphasize the last syllable on that second word
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
More like 2 words:
Jim. Hendry.
Who gives a guy $10 million dollars after hitting .196? We were primarily tied to two different first basemen (Chris Davis and Carlos Pena) and both hit less than the Mendoza line last year. Great move here.
For a few more million in salary this year we could have had Adam Dunn. This team is a complete joke.
Um Dunn would have cost 38 million more
and been a 4 year committment. A bit for than a “few million”
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by Doggie Stalker on Dec 8, 2010 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I meant annually. Did you see the words "this year"?
$10 million versus $14 million for a real hitter. If they said that money was tight this year, $4 million isn’t a big deal in the grand scheme of things. If they aren’t wanting to pay the $14 million salary after supposedly all of these big contracts come off the books during the next year, then that just shows how cheap they really are.
$4 million more for a guy who is never on the DL, would hit 45-50 HR at Wrigley, and who is a feared part of a line-up. We stuck with a guy who hit .196 and who was hurt most of last year. He’s also a career .241 hitter.
I can’t wait for the “big press conference” where Hendry makes it out like we signed Albert Pujols. Mark my words—he’ll talk about his success in the past and about his defense.
Pena’s ok on this team that is going nowhere, but not for $10 million.
Carlos Pena is a real hitter.
Look at his 2007-09 numbers. He draws a ton of walks. Yes, he was hurt last year, but that’s part of the past. Not “most” of last year, incidentally — he played in 144 games with 582 plate appearances. Plus, he’s a good fielder — something that Dunn is not — and a great clubhouse guy.
The deferral of $5 million of this money into next year gives the Cubs some payroll flexibility to get some bullpen or starting pitcher help.
Or maybe you’d rather have had Jake Fox back.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Sorry man, but your "Jake Fox Guy"
Gonna have to switch screen-names to live that down.
by JSB on Dec 8, 2010 7:21 PM CST up reply actions
But you ignore the fact that Dunn required a mutli year deal
while Pena was had for only one year, so Doggie Stalker’s comments are on target. You “a few million more”more comment is way off the mark.
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by lookingdeadred on Dec 9, 2010 7:38 AM CST up reply actions
Because his career OBP
is a very good .351. His OBP last season was still .325, which was nine points higher than Tyler Colvin, who a lot of people thought should be moved to first base.
Batting average is next to meaningless as a stat. His OBP is still solid.
And it’s a one year deal, so the risk is minimal.
"Batting average is a next to meaningless stat"
That’s BS. OBP is an important stat, but it is not more important than batting average. It’s going to take someone getting a hit to move the guy who walked into scoring position… and it’s going to take another hit to score that man.
by Pre on Dec 8, 2010 6:17 AM CST up reply actions
you can't hit somebody home unless they're on-base to begin with.
A team’s OBP and SLG% are the most important determinants for the total number of runs that a team scores in one year.
The only reason why BA is important through the history of baseball is because of the way baseball games were originally scored. Walks were not originally included in the statistics of batter.
by dblplay on Dec 8, 2010 6:56 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree for the most part
but are you signing Carlos Pena to be a table setter or to clear the table?
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
well,
if he’s not hitting, he’s not clearing the table and if I’m not mistaken, the cubs didn’t exactly light up the scoreboard last year, so I’m not sure who’s going to be on base so much in front of him to take advantage of those 25 home runs.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
Obviously, you don't do both at the same time.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
What?
get on base and drive in runners?
It’s happened before.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
Welcome to 2010
OBP is a more important stat than batting average. Sorry.
by JSB on Dec 8, 2010 9:50 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
But an "RBI guy" who gets 97 hits all year is a real alabatross in a lineup
You get feast (28 HR) or famine (lots of no-hit games). Isn’t that the Cubs’ problem already?
Tampa survived it because the rest of their lineup is much better than Your 2011 Chicago Cubs will be…
Nevertheless.
If Pena hits ahead of A-Ram and gets on base a lot, Ramirez will drive in a lot of runs.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
getting on base at a .320ish clip
isn’t really all that good.
Walking a lot is fine, but if you don’t get on base any other way, then it’s kind of pointless especially when you’re paying a guy 10M dollars. Hell, there are probably 50 guys in the cubs minor league system who could get on base one way or another at a .320 rate for the league minimum and I bet at least a couple of them could play a passable 1st base.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
Under the circumstances, it was probably the best we could hope for.
A 1-year deal for a guy with some hope for upside. At least they didn’t go for the “sure-thing” mediocre vet.
We weren’t going to be a juggernaut, regardless. Better to go with Carlos Pena, who has some chance, however slight, of posting huge numbers, instead of going with Lyle Overbay or some such, where you’re guaranteed an efficient, boring, mildly productive season.
I really don’t put any weight into 1B defense. I know, UZR says he’s not as good as his former rep. But if he’s better than abysmal, we’re going to notice poor defense from him like 5 times all year.
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.196 sounds like he'll get on base a lot.
And I’m tired of hearing about the “if’s”. “If” he returns to his 2007-2009 form, “if” he doesn’t have anymore foot problems. Overpaid for someone again after sitting on the sidelines and doing nothing all offseason. That sounds like the Cubs management’s calling card during the past few offseasons.
All of the apologists need to stop it already. This team won’t improve until capable people are running it.
Not to sound like Piniella but
What do you want them to do?
Give Adam Dunn a huge contract and watch as he gets old, fat and slow? Pay Carl Carwford $200 million and put Soriano at first base? Give Cliff Lee $200 million too?
Frankly, the Cubs could spend $180 million on salary this season and still finish in third place. It’s just the best of a lot of bad options that keeps 2012 open for something better.
by Josh Timmers on Dec 8, 2010 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Good post
Nobody who is happy with this deal is under the illusion that this signing puts them over the top. This signing is a low-risk gamble. Sometimes they work out (Beltre in Boston last year), sometimes they don’t (Ben Sheets in Oakland).
I
by JSB on Dec 8, 2010 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
Aubrey Huff
a lot of people are comparing it to the Aubrey Huff signing by the Giants last season.
Sometimes they work, sometimes they don’t.
It's $5 million.
$5 million of it is being paid next year, to give some payroll flexibility.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I suppose you don't really understand...
… how player payrolls work.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Of course he is.
But the 2011 payroll isn’t taking a $10 million hit. That’s the point.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
It's a two year deal for one year of service
Still, it’s vastly overpaying for a player who isn’t very good.
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OK, so it's a two-year deal at $5 million per.
That’s not very much for a player who could rebound and be indeed very good.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
saying its a two year deal
suggests you have the rights to the player for two years
we only have pena for one year of service
thus it is a one year deal for $10 million dollars that is paid out over two years
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 11, 2010 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
It's a two year deal according to the payroll.
I understand what you are saying. However, in terms of the payroll, it could help the Cubs have some payroll room in 2011, and doesn’t hurt that much in 2012 even if they are paying Pena and he’s not on the team.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
saying it could help in '11
is ignoring it could hurt in ’12
when people talk about deals they talk about the amount of service time the clubs has on the player. For example the Manny Ramirez deal the red sox signed has deferred payments through 2026
no one suggested the Red Sox signed Ramirez for a 25 year deal back in 2001
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 11, 2010 7:30 PM CST up reply actions
I understand your point.
However, with all the $ coming off the books in 2012, the Cubs figured they could help 2011 without hurting 2012 that much.
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 11, 2010 9:08 PM CST up reply actions
i'm not arguing the tact
the cubs took.
i’m arguing the way you’re describing the contract.
I believe the Cubs did a smart thing in deferring money, but suggesting its anything other than a 1 yr deal for $10 million is being disingenuous
the player is signed for 1 yr
the total cost to the Cubs is $10 million
thus it is a 1 yr 10 million deal
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 11, 2010 9:10 PM CST up reply actions
We're splitting hairs here
You want to call it a one-year deal. It is, contract wise. But it also helps the Cubs in two payroll years. That has value.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Splitting hairs further - it certainly doesn't "help" in 2 contract years.
It helps in 2011. It definitely HURTS in 2012, when they’ll probably be paying $5M to someone else’s 1B.
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What do I want them to do?
You think they’ll start spending when the big contracts are off the books? I’m believing that. This season is a good predictor of things to come. We shed Lee, Lilly, Theriot and Nady. So what do we do? Lower the payroll. By 2012 I wouldn’t be surprised if we’re down to the middle of the pack salary-wise while Cubs fans continue to be told that we’re investing the money in “player development.”
And sorry, I disagree with your statement that $180 million would buy us third place. If we had the right decisions being made, we could be a player in this division really quick. This is a very weak division.
Then say it
Who are you signing? Crawford, Lee and Dunn? The three of them would add about $58-62 million. a year. The three of them win us a World Series?
Doubt it.
In fact...
the Crawford signing is very similar to the Soriano contract. Halfway through the contract, Crawford’s speed will be all but gone and he will basically become a league average outfielder.
Why do that if you’re the Cubs? I’d rather role the dice that Jackson pans out.
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by TheBeerBaron on Dec 10, 2010 8:29 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think Crawford's speed will be "gone" in his early 30s.
He’s 2 years younger than Soriano was when he signed that contract, and the contract is a year shorter.
Barring injury, Crawford is going to continue to be a star player. But that kind of applies to everyone.
Obviously, Crawford does not fit on the Cubs.
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Speed, though, is his primary dimension.
It wasn’t for Soriano.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Colvin's would have been higher
If he would have been given more of a shot to play instead of sitting around watching guys like Xavier Nady and Fukudome play for the first part of the year. He hit lefties pretty well also.
And I beg to differ—batting average is important. And so are strikeouts, which he has a lot of.
Strikeouts?
Hmmm. Adam Dunn strikes out a lot, too. But you wanted him.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
What metric do you use
to measure “fear”?
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by amaru on Dec 8, 2010 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
From 2007 to 2010
Adam Dunn hit 156 home runs.
Carlos Pena hit 144 home runs in that same time frame.
That’s a difference of 12 HR — three per year.
Care to rephrase “a lot more home runs”?
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He does?
in 2010, Dunn hit 38 HR with an .892 OPS in the NL East.
in 2009, Pena hit 39 HR with an .893 OPS in the AL East.
And Pena plays defense at a league average or above level.
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by TheBeerBaron on Dec 10, 2010 8:32 AM CST up reply actions
Why is batting average important?
And “because I said so” is not a good answer. OBP is the important stat. It tells you how often a guy does not make an out. Batting average has so many different variables that it doesn’t tell you anything that OBP doesn’t tell you better.
by Josh Timmers on Dec 8, 2010 7:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
the cubs overspent on dollars to limit the years
the perfect strategy for a big market club
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 8, 2010 6:36 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
rec'd DCF
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by Madison Cub Fan on Dec 9, 2010 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
I saw Hendry interviewed this morning...
…and from his comments it seems that he expects Pena to produce closer to past performance, likes his character, and he claims that the Cubs’ hitting coach has a good relationship with Pena. Just reporting what Hendry said.
I am a bit shocked that it wasn’t a 5 year deal.
Teams value power and when you cannot easily get juiced at launch 50 bombs in a year apparently teams are somewhat desperate for whatever power that they can find.
Its a freaking horrible deal!!!
Jim Hendry just keeps getting worse. Terrible team that has needs everywhere and you got out and sign a mediocre aging First Baseman to a 10 Million Dollar deal. Hendry has absolutely no sense.
Disagree.
It’s a 1yr deal, and after this season He, Zambrano, and Fukudome are all off the books. Pena has a lot of upside, and a lot to prove. Next season is shaping up to be a bust anyway, might as well roll the dice.
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by WindisBlowingOut! on Dec 8, 2010 1:52 AM CST up reply actions
Ramirez is also off the books next year
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by Doggie Stalker on Dec 8, 2010 1:54 AM CST up reply actions
Z is signed through '12
with a vest player option for ’13. Think you meant Rami.
Just win the next game...!
You're right
Even while I was typing Zambrano I didn’t think it was right. Thanks for the correction!
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by WindisBlowingOut! on Dec 8, 2010 6:02 AM CST up reply actions
John Grabow
and his ridiculous $4.8M is off the books as well.
Zambrano’s 2013 option only vests if he finishes top 2 in Cy Young voting and top 4 in 2012.
I think Soriano might win the MVP first. Lol.
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You guys actually think that the Cubs will put all of that money off the books back into the team salary?
The Cubs aren't going to have a $70MM payroll in 2012
So yes. At least most of it.
$115-125MM is what we should assume payroll will be that year.
"It's important in life to not give a shit. It can help you a lot." - George Carlin
If it's lower and spent wiser, fine.
Regardless, with Lilly, Lee, Nady and Theriot already off the books and Aramis, Grabow, Silva and Fukudome joining them next year, the Cubs will have a boat load of flexibility and still cut down on payroll from the 2008-2010 period.
Hopefully, they set their sights on a real difference maker like Fielder with an outside chance at Gonzalez or Pujols.
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by TheBeerBaron on Dec 10, 2010 8:36 AM CST up reply actions
Gonzalez likely stays with the Red Sox.
But because of that and the fact that the Yankees already have a 1B locked up (Teixeira) on a long-term deal, there aren’t many other teams that can afford a Pujols.
This one-year deal for Pena might work out very, very well.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Yep.
Only reason I included Gonzalez is bc of the recent report that he claimed reports of a contract extension are incorrect and one is not in place.
However, that doesn’t mean there won’t be.
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by TheBeerBaron on Dec 10, 2010 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
It's not that bad.
The Cubs need some luck this year – why not go for the guy who has some upside?
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by D98 on Dec 8, 2010 9:15 AM CST up reply actions
He was an All Star just the year before
Freaking horrible? Wow.
by californiachicagoan on Dec 8, 2010 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
Yes!! Freaking Horrible deal
Jim Hendry has little to no idea how to negotiate a contract. He gets bullied time after time after time again. Hendry is a really good reason why us perfectly good baseball fans won’t be able to afford or enjoy the game of baseball soon.
Were headed into a down year and the ownership is in debt well over their heads. We have as many or needs than anyone in baseball and we throw 10 million out like its nothing. 10 Million coulda have been spent a helluva lot better.
Hendry needs to go and go now!
They screwed up when they failed to land Adrian Gonzalez.
And that was a pretty egregious screw up, and demonstrates how BOS is a better organization that targets the right players and gets the right job done.
But now that that particular ship has sailed, it’s “pick your poison” for 2011. We went with the guy who is likely to be either horrible or very good, no middle ground. I like that. It’s ballsy.
We’ve seen that filling up the team with overpaid, slightly-above-average players leads to a slightly-below-average team. The Cubs decided to try to shoot the moon here, and they may go down in flames. But what was the alternative? Lyle Overbay? Adam LaRoche? Screw it, let’s gamble.
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by D98 on Dec 8, 2010 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
SD's GM was an Assistant GM in Boston
Of course he preferred Boston’s minor leaguers. He helped draft them.
If you wanted the Cubs to get Gonzalez, then it would have helped if the Padres had hired Randy Bush as GM. Of course, they wouldn’t do that unless he was an assistant GM on a World Series team.
by Josh Timmers on Dec 8, 2010 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well actually we could have hired Jed as our GM
but that was not going to happen.
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by Doggie Stalker on Dec 8, 2010 4:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
$10 Mil/ year for a guy under the mendoza line is WAY TOO MUCH
At least its only one year. I also wouldn’t be surprised too if some of that money is deferred, and hence the reason why we paid that much.
$5MM in 2011
then another $5MM in Jan. 2012, yet it still counts towards the 2011 payroll.
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wait
i’m sure there are incentives or something in the deal.
I predicted Pena would be a Cub next year.
I’m happy with the decision. I’m predicting a bounce back year for him, especially being a power hitting left, hitting at Wrigley, and feasting off weaker NL Central pitching. I wouldn’t be surprised if he hit 30+ homeruns. I do think the Cubs paid too much, but I’m happy it’s only a 1 year deal. Pena has a lot to prove, and if he has fully recovered from plantar fasciitis I think he’ll have a great year.
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by WindisBlowingOut! on Dec 8, 2010 12:52 AM CST reply actions
All in all, I tend to agree and I hope you're right...
There really wasn’t much out there left. $10M might appear to be a bit steep, but, a 1 year deal is better than 2 or 3 years for 7 or 8 mill each, isn’t it? ISN’T IT? I’ll give Hendry a somewhat thumbs up on this deal. I wanted Dunn or A-Gon, but, at least Hendry didn’t get stupid trying to make something out of nothing. Now, let’s all make a pact and never EVER bring up the notion of Tyler Colvin playing 1B, okie dokie? So, let’s go get Greinke and a RH set-up man NOT named Wood and then we can relax and enjoy our winter.
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This sucks.
The money makes me wanna vomit and Pena makes me wanna vomit even more. This offseason keeps getting worse and worse.. Hendry is about to lose me as a somewhat supporter.
This is the deal makes you want to vomit?
But yet you are somewhat a JH supporter.
Out of all the mistakes JH has made, this will turn the tide for you?
Personally Grabows deal for example bothers me more.
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by Madison Cub Fan on Dec 9, 2010 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
10 million is too much.
This deal is almost unforgivable, the only saving grace being its length and (hopefully) not all of it is guaranteed.
It seems clear to me that Hendry/Ricketts have acknowledged 2011 as a lost season — build a decent team, but not one that puts us in position to seriously contend. With all the money coming off the books after 2011, they better make a big splash to make this so far crappy offseason worth it.
Vic Koenning is my homeboy.
If it was a lost season, they wouldn't have signed Pena
You pay $10M for the premium of only having to sign him for one year. That one year contract gives the Cubs a lot of flexibility like Josh mentioned below for other 1B out there in 2012.
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by HotTimeInOldTown on Dec 8, 2010 1:46 AM CST up reply actions
Fukudome...
wonder if this means Fukudome is set up to be dealt….would help clear money for Pena.
Ten mil is too much but as someone stated, it was probably a trade off to get Pena signed for only a season. Hope this doesn’t mean we still don’t pursue Davis. Nice young back-up (or longer-term) plan…
No Adam LaRoche?
I thought he seemed like a near perfect fit for you guys.
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I was watching MLB network tonight and were discussing Pena
and one guy says something like " I guarantee he won’t hit under .200 next year" . That is comforting.
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Jim Hendry
So, .201 then?
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Is Pena better than if the Cubs had just kept Lee?
I am not being snarky here, just curious. I am assuming Lee gets a smaller contract.
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He's two years younger and healthier
But you’re right, we could have rolled the dice on Lee instead. But I don’t think the Cubs think Lee can stay healthy anymore.
It probably didn't help that Lee was not forthright about his injury
I love Lee, but that was disappointing. I get mixed reports on Pena’s fielding. Do you have an opinion. Above average?
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by Doggie Stalker on Dec 8, 2010 1:34 AM CST up reply actions
I haven't watched enough Rays games
but I’ve always heard him mentioned as being very good. The Rays almost never DH him, which indicates that they think he’s a good glove.
Fielding stats for first basemen are tough to read. Baseball-reference’s stats have him as below average, but again, I don’t know how much faith I put in that.
Well just wait till Al wakes up
I am sure he will quickly get over his previous dislike of signing Pena. Anything that keeps Colvin from playing 1B is fine with me. However I can see Hendry trying to dump Dome at fire sale prices if he will wave the NTC.
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by Doggie Stalker on Dec 8, 2010 1:43 AM CST up reply actions
Pena does have a gold-glove to his name
But as someone pointed out in a previous post I made about him, his fielding is rated as below average. Let me try and find the linky…
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by WindisBlowingOut! on Dec 8, 2010 1:53 AM CST up reply actions
About that Gold Glove…
I’m not sure it proves definitively that Pena’s defense is above average. Brace yourself for an UZR citation: In 8,641.1 career innings at first base, Pena has a -16.2 UZR and a -2.7 UZR/150. That’s well below average. Fangraphs has given him a negative defensive rating for two seasons running as well.
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by WindisBlowingOut! on Dec 8, 2010 1:57 AM CST up reply actions
I've never posted a quote before.
I certainly butchered it didn’t I?
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by WindisBlowingOut! on Dec 8, 2010 1:57 AM CST up reply actions
No worries - we'll just make you the GM of the Chicago Quotes... ;-)
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by ballhawk on Dec 8, 2010 6:29 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Plus Fielding
He is a good first baseman. Live in Canada and watch a lot of Rays (against Jays) and Pena will be solid defensively and due for a bounce back year. I think it was the best option. About 3 mil per year too much, but a good 1 year risk.
I forgot
Lee is right handed. The Cubs want a lefty, In fact, they’re planning on asking Pujols to hit from the left side if he makes it to free agency next season.
If Pujols
signs with the Cubs, I personally guarantee that the entire city of St. Louis will implode from sheer, unadulterated rage.
Anarchist. Misanthrope. Beard aficionado.
I don't think it will happen
But it’s not impossible. If Pujols doesn’t sign an extension before ST, look out.
But I bet the Cards make Pujols the best paid player in the game before then.
at the very least
committing ourselves to just a one year deal leaves us an option and drives up the price or makes it more likely that Pujols tests FA because a big market club is available
a one yr deal was a MUST here for that reason
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 8, 2010 6:38 AM CST up reply actions
Also could mean that the Cubs
hope to make a play on Prince Fielder….and are also covering their options in case Pujols makes it to free agency.
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of course
my point was a one year deal leaves options open for us AND makes it more likely those big FA 1B will at least test the market to use the Cubs as leverage against their own team OR to legitimately move on and at that point the Cubs are legitimate contenders for their services
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 8, 2010 8:46 AM CST up reply actions
I heard somewhere on TV, from Buster O. I think...
where he said Pujols will get 7 years, $200,000,000…he just didn’t say from who. Not a bad gig, if you can get it.
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Well everyone who complained about Lee hitting into double plays
Guess what, Pena will simply strike out, walk or hit a home run.
Even in this down year Pena hit 28 HRs. His power is better than Lee’s for sure.
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by HotTimeInOldTown on Dec 8, 2010 1:44 AM CST up reply actions
This is a great deal
It gets us a bridge to 2012 with minimal risk. It leaves us open for signing Fielder or, dare we hope, Gonzalez or Pujols next off-season. Other first basemen looking at big arbitration awards may be available for trade too. (Votto? Although I doubt the Reds would trade him to us.)
People who are looking at Pena’s batting average are missing the point. He gets on base and he hits for power. He’s also good defensively.
This isn’t a slam dunk—he’s certainly on the wrong side of 30 and he is coming off a bad year. His OBP has declined four straight seasons. He could continue to decline, although he led the AL in HRs just a year ago. so it’s not like his other stats have been declining as well. But thats why we got him for 1 and ten and not what Adam Dunn got.
by Josh Timmers on Dec 8, 2010 1:26 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
What I found interesting is that his
BABIP last year was just .250 but for his career it has hung out right around .300
I wonder if that is injury related or just one of those fluky years that happen when looking at BABIP?
The scary part for me is if he doesn’t have a bounce back year. We would be paying 10 million for a 1 WAR player. I hope he does bounce back and is somewhere around a 3-4 WAR but that’s hope more than expectation.
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by Section 312 on Dec 8, 2010 1:45 AM CST up reply actions
Sorry I was looking at 2009
his BABIP last year was even lower at .222
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by Section 312 on Dec 8, 2010 1:48 AM CST up reply actions
It was so low, he is due for a very good bounce back. In addition, his BB:K ratio remained about the same so his batting eye is intact.
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by HotTimeInOldTown on Dec 8, 2010 1:53 AM CST up reply actions
It's not as scary as paying $15M for 2 years
Or $25 for 3 years.
If he doesn’t bounce back, we are one and done. It’s a nice gamble because he is just as likely to improve his BA by 30 points and hit 45 HRs and his lefty power bat splits up the lineup.
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by HotTimeInOldTown on Dec 8, 2010 1:50 AM CST up reply actions
Not to mention those magic words " Contract Year"
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Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Dec 8, 2010 1:56 AM CST up reply actions
Well he just came off
a pretty poor contract year.
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by Section 312 on Dec 8, 2010 2:00 AM CST up reply actions
True but the end of multi-year contract
is not the same as a one year to prove your value contract. Contract had his best year in a while last year under similar circumstances.
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by Doggie Stalker on Dec 8, 2010 2:07 AM CST up reply actions
who is this "Contract" you speak of?
and is he left-handed?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Fun typing at 3AM
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by Doggie Stalker on Dec 8, 2010 9:20 AM CST up reply actions
I agree it's not as scary
as a multi year deal. But it would still be annoying to be paying that much money to a guy who is barely better than a replacement level player.
Fukudome was a 1.5 WAR last year and look at how much we bitch about him and his contract.
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by Section 312 on Dec 8, 2010 2:02 AM CST up reply actions
Foot injuries
make it harder to “leg one out”, hence the BABIP is going to take a corresponding hit. If his foot is healthy, his BABIP should rise accordingly.
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FYI we now have the 40th guy on the roster.
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I'm fine with it
All the talk was he was going to get a two or three year deal which could of been a disaster.
I’d rather we pay overs for one. Getting Davis now would be a bonus.
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What would we do with him?
stick him in Iowa until 2012? Have him back up Ramirez and Pena and pinch hit?
I’m not against still getting Chris Davis. I just wonder whether it would be worth it to give up anything for a guy without a defined role.
Davis
I wouldn’t mind seeing Davis get added still as some insurance. Plus if Dome gets traded Davis could be your backup 1B/3B/LF/RF. Davis would certainly have more power than any other backup at those positions.
by 13isthenew23 on Dec 8, 2010 8:02 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well, Pena isn't very young and hasn't been healthy
If he struggles in 2011, your starting 1B is….. wait for it…..Jeff Baker!!!
Playing Davis for a rebound with different coaching and having a real backup in the organization seems to have some value. But there is a fair chance Davis would at least start the year in Iowa to get his mojo back.
Well, would rather have Pena than LaRoche
It’s only a year and the Cubs probably would have had to have given LaRoche a longer deal. Also, at least Pena has a chance to put up huge numbers while we are all but guaranteed league average numbers from LaRoche.
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by DTJchris on Dec 8, 2010 2:55 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Wow, kinda surprised at the negativity
Not sure what people were expecting. I thought Colvin was gonna have to play first. For a one year deal, who cares? The guy is a great defender and he’ll be super motivated. I think he’ll have a really nice year personally
Superteams suck.
Me too
I havent been following the boards recently, but the general negativity seems to have exploded since the end of this season. I wonder if its residual Ryno supporters just being angry still. Is this going to go on all year?
by californiachicagoan on Dec 8, 2010 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
Meh. Could have been better, could have been worse.
When he was with the Tigers, he was a very likable, hard working guy. Good attitude and decent glove. You also have to give him points for hanging around all these years. If he was as bad as some seem to feel he is, he’d been coaching in the minors years ago (or selling Lady Kenmores at Sears).
Carlos Pena won’t put butts in the seats like some of the other names rumored for the last few months, but he’ll get the Cubs to 2012 and won’t be an embarrassment doing it. Actually, I think he’ll be a pleasant surprise for Cubs fans and he’ll grow to be a fan favorite in 2011.
I’m not sure which is the bigger head scratcher: that Scott Boras got Pena $10M or that it was only a one year contract.
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I think you meant Rays. Not Tigers.
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by WindisBlowingOut! on Dec 8, 2010 6:03 AM CST up reply actions
I did mean the Tigers.
He was a pretty popular guy in Motown…
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I like it...
…the reference to Bull Durham… very nice.
(The coaching in the minors or selling Lady Kenmores at Seats part, for those who dont remember the movie)
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by Ryan at Cubshub on Dec 8, 2010 7:35 AM CST up reply actions
OT : one of the greatest baseball movies ever
It should be required watching once a year. If for no other reason then to brush up on their great one liners :)
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by Madison Cub Fan on Dec 9, 2010 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
Sears
Sears sucks.
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Finally a Hendry deal for a name player
that doesn’t involve multiple years and the dreaded NTC. Though $10M seems a touch much. Oh wait, I forgot to throw in the Boras factor (25%).
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Dec 8, 2010 5:56 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I wanted Berkman
next would of been LaRoche, now this.
The talk of a bounce back year. He will have to add 50+ points on average, 25-30 points on OBP all coming into a new league. Good luck on that. The only benefit of this deal is one year. Now, did the Cubs spend all of the cash in the cookie jar? Any nickles and dimes left for bullpen help?
I hope Hendry will not be back next year.
Coincidently
Pena’s career average are 50 points on average, 25 points on obp, and 90 points on slugging abve last year’s numbers.
by californiachicagoan on Dec 8, 2010 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
Well.
Last year he was brutal. LaRoche was a far better player. Cubs are hoping for a turn around just like for Ramy.
I think LaRoche is more of a given to produce. LaRoche for all the bashing he gets did hit .260 against lefties, with a OPS of 758 and for Pena .179 average and .675 OPS.
Pena needs to bounce back. I hope he does.
They have to spend the rest of the cash on their gas and electric bills.
The Cubs reportedly don’t have any money anymore, unless it has to do with re-painting the sign or signing players to make it look like we care about winning.
You can't waste money on useless things
And then say you have no money to fix the mess on the field.
by TheGrinch13 on Dec 8, 2010 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Just how much do you think sign painting costs?
Seriously. This is such a non-issue.
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Should've made the Chris Davis deal instead.
Damn it.
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I actually like this move...
There is big number potential here from someone who has done it before, plus he is in a contract year and could be flipped if needed at mid season.
LaRoche would not have been the best move.
3 cheers for Jim Hendry!
C'mon TJ ...
Don’t you have anything nice to say about Rickett’s spending some money?
by jerry morales rules on Dec 8, 2010 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
Who are you...
…and WHY are you posting under TJ11’s handle?
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We will be flipping him at the deadline
And paying almost all of his salary. We oughta be in fifth place at that time.
With 2011 shaping up to be a question mark of a year...
…I can’t fault a one-year deal in an attempt to get better. If the guy is back to good health, he can contribute. If not, well, it’s not like the 2011 team was a WS-contending monster to start with.
May be a dumb question, but what's the plan for second base?
Are they gonna platoon Baker and Dewitt? What’s the plan there?
Superteams suck.
I don't think that is a dumb questions at all.
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by Madison Cub Fan on Dec 9, 2010 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
I like it
It’s a good pickup and at least leaves the door open for Fielder (or another elite 1b if they’re not extended) next year. Will be nice to have some legit power from the left side.
2011 can't get here soon enough.
by Castro Por Presidente on Dec 8, 2010 7:11 AM CST reply actions
Surely he got a full NTC clause too, right?
All jokes aside, I like the signing of Pena quite a bit. He was my top choice.
But 10M is an absolute joke. And if it’s just a one year deal, at that much money, why the hell is there not a club option for the second year?
Seems like, once again, Hendry wound up the loser in the negotiation.
Morning, everyone.
Busy overnight, I see. My thoughts and continued discussion on the front page.
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Pena is a good one year stop gap addition
undoubtedly will have a better year offensively and has always been a very good defender. If he has a good year, maybe they keep him round for a couple more years. If not, hopefully they will have the financial wherewithall to get a proven commodity for 2012 via FA or trade.
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Davis
Btw, Goldstein of BP tweeted yesterday that he heard reports from the DR League that Davis looks “lost” at the plate. The fact that Boras is willing to sign a 1yr “value-building” deal for Pena actually encourages me that he’ll bounce back. Boras , for all the criticism he receives, USUALLY gives his clients good advice.
by Mmurton on Dec 8, 2010 7:37 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Davis vs. Pena
I don’t like the Chris Davis idea.
I’ll be the first to admit that my input is nothing but message board gossip, but I’m a Cubs fan living in the DFW area. I have acquaintances who spend leisure time with Chris Davis when he’s in town with the Rangers.
As a Cub fan, I don’t like the idea of investing in the guy. I’ll leave it at that.
From a statistical perspective, I don’t see Davis inspiring hope in his team’s fanbase. If a team is going to take a flyer on a sub-.200 batting average, I’d rather have Pena’s clubhouse presence and upside over Davis’ um… intangibles.
Let’s see if Pena can earn a long-term stay at Wrigley.
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"Leave it at that"!!!
You can’t just leave it at that. Have you heard that he’s a bad guy?
by jerry morales rules on Dec 8, 2010 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
From the fans in Dallas, Davis has developed a rep as the kind of fellow whose profession is not his top priority, and I don’t mean behind God and family.
Maybe I put too much empasis on how the player is off the field, but in that category scuttlebutt seems to favor Pena over Davis.
That’s all I meant.
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Hate the money
But love the 1-year deal.
Tons of cash coming off the books after ‘11. Next year we’ll see a real offseason. We can’t hope for much this year aside from some trades.
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Bottom line
The Cubs paid $10 million for a guy with a .241 career batting average, had foot problems most of last season, and who hit .196 last season. Enough said there.
Meanwhile, the White Sox signed Adam Dunn for just a few more million annually than Pena (after crying about having no money), re-signed Paul Konerko, and seem to want to win. And they have a lower payroll.
Why waste $10 million on a player that isn’t going to have any impact? The Cubs have sat for most of the offseason watching the better players sign and the contenders place bids on or make trades for players who would actually make a difference. We re-signed Jeff Baker and offered arbitration to Koyie Hill while we continue to shop a helpful pitcher like Tom Gorzellany. Hey, that’ll shave more money off the already lowered payroll if we got rid of him and his “huge” salary!
Since guys like this are going to be our “big signing” of the offseasons, they mine as well just play all minor leaguers and what players we have already and save their money for future years. Not that I have any confidence that it will be used towards the payroll. Look, we shaved over $25 million off the payroll this year from Lee, Nady, Lilly, and Theriot alone so what do we do? Lower the payroll to compensate and cry poor.
So keep raising the ticket prices, sitting on the sidelines, and have fun watching the real teams play in the postseason every year. Cubs fans oughta get used to it.
Dunn of the career....
.250 hitter
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 8, 2010 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
for the contracts
yes.
my point wasn’t comparing the two in terms of overall value though. My point was you’re using BA as your primary argument against Pena
The Cubs paid $10 million for a guy with a .241 career batting average
you wanted them to spend 14-15 million on a career .250 hitter. I guess those extra 9 hundreths of a point are worth millions
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 8, 2010 6:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I would rather have Pena than Dunn.
One can field, one can’t to start. One is under contract for less and only one year, the other is under contract for four years. They are basically the same offensive product of high OPS/great power with of course lower average and higher strikeout rates.
You really think Pena is going to produce as poorly as he did last season in the NL Central and healthy?
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by TheBeerBaron on Dec 10, 2010 8:41 AM CST up reply actions
are you even reading the posts?
or are you just randomly picking spots to post your pena-love?
Nothing in my post suggests i didn’t like the Pena signing or that I think he’ll produce as poorly as he did last year.
My post is negating the Grinch’s use of batting average as a key component of his argument
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 10, 2010 8:45 AM CST up reply actions
Reply error.
Meant for the grinch.
But man, offended much?
And “love”? I’m making the best of a bad situation. Pena is a better option than Dunn was my main point.
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by TheBeerBaron on Dec 10, 2010 10:04 AM CST up reply actions
Is Jake Fox available?
Wait, so are you happy the Cubs spent money, or are you mad that they did? Signing Pena for a 1-year $10 million deal ($5 million of it deferred) is nothing close to the same financial commitment as signing Dunn and Konerko to multi-year deals.
The White Sox might have a successful 2011. They might not. I for one am glad that the Cubs didn’t commit to multiple years with aging, one-dimensional players. I think the Sox will eventually regret this signing.
by JSB on Dec 8, 2010 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
Dunn has shown zero signs of decline
As has Konerko. If you want the better players, you have to sign them to longer deals. That’s the way things are.
Dunn has tons of power and is a legitimate middle of the order bat. A .196 hitter isn’t.
Pena might be a better player
You are cherrypicking a single stat.
When you factor in defense, since 2007 Pena has been a better player. Dunn would have been another albatross contract.
by JSB on Dec 8, 2010 3:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
dunn's bb rate decline severely last yr
that would be a sign of decline
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 8, 2010 6:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
What?
Pena led the AL in HR just a year ago and is three seasons removed from hitting nearly 50 with an OPS over 1.000 in the AL EAST!
Honestly, this is the best first base option the Cubs could have hoped for when you factor in the potential and low commitment.
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by TheBeerBaron on Dec 10, 2010 8:44 AM CST up reply actions
And by the way,
The Jake Fox stuff is hilarious. Come to think of it, his batting average was higher than Pena’s, at a fraction of the cost.
Dunn signed for $56 million
Pena signed for $10 million. I don’t think the word “few” means what you think it means.
Read the entire post. I said for this year he is making a few million less.
$14 million minus $10 million equals $4 million. Simple math.
Comparing 2011 salaries is irrelevant
The Cubs total financial commitment to Pena is $10 million. The financial commitment to Dunn would have been $56 million. Dunn would have severely hamstrung the Cubs financial flexibility for the next 4 years. Totally an apples-to-oranges comparison. I applaud the Cubs for not making the obvious move and over-paying Dunn in both years and dollars.
by JSB on Dec 8, 2010 3:51 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You were probably pretty stoked on Soriano and his 50 hrs in 2006 too huh?
When building a team, you have to look beyond the next year.
by JSB on Dec 8, 2010 3:57 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
That's 40 percent more
Still not a few.
You can’t compare the contracts that way. If Dunn breaks his leg and stinks for four years, the WS are on the hook for 56 million. If Pena breaks his leg and sucks for four years, the Cubs are on the hook for 10 million.
And the Cubs paid a premium to get him on a one year. Im sure we could have gotten him for three years and 22 million. We were smart to pay the premium.
by Josh Timmers on Dec 8, 2010 7:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
As a general perception....
a few refers to three, not four.
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by TheBeerBaron on Dec 10, 2010 8:46 AM CST up reply actions
I hate the $10MM as much as anyone
but the 1-year commitment makes it OK. Especially if the guy rebounds since he is healthy again.
Dunn for 4 years and an average of $14MM per? No. Thank. You.
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Do you ever read the garbage you post on this site.
As a bystander to all your arguements on different issues, I’ve come to believe you are probably one of the most naive and ignorant posters when it comes to baseball knowledge on this site. Just thought I’d get that off my chest.
by Dcr18 on Dec 8, 2010 4:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
I'm as anti-Hendry as anybody these days but...
…maybe I’m just in a good mood but I’m going to, marginally, defend this move.
Ten million DOES seem like a lot for an aging player coming off of an injury but I was in a semi panic that we were going to go into the season with Colvin or, some have suggested, Fonzi (shudder) as our best first base options.
Also, keep in mind that the might’ve cost more since it was only a one year contract (I thought I read somewhere that they were seeking two years at 7 million per).
Basically, I see it as low risk-if he has a comeback year, great. If not, at least his contract will be off the books a year from now (and we’ll hopefully have a new GM pulling the strings).
10 mil?
Wow! I thought the Cubs didn’t have any money to spend?
Still, since it is a one year deal… i don’t think too much bad about it. I’m more shocked because I have gotten to where i don’t believe much of ANYTHING Hendry says anymore.
I do realize that it prolly took 10 million to shut Boras up, and to get him to sign a simple 1 year deal. The one year deal may motivate Pena to have a good year… if he doesn’t, people will be crapping on Hendry for making another bad signing.
I can’t help but wonder if the Cubs would have been better off re-signed DLee for less, and then using some of that 10 million to bring in some pitching help, or bench help, or just help elsewhere. But, I know Hendry is done with Lee, Wood, and all of those guys we fall in love with.
Guy's a solid player...
still in his best years, has lots of power, gets on base, he’s athletic, plays solid D, plays alot, and best of all it’s only one year.
Definitely coulda done worse…
Was.....
a solid player!Just another re-tread the Cubs always fall in love with!Maybe a fresh start and different hitting coach will help?Time will tell?
Not a great signing
but it’s difficult to argue with it cause it’s low risk (one year), with some decent upside. Hopefully, Rudy can do something about his total hit production. 2011 is pretty much a wasted year anyways.
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very good
pickup. decent player with pop who can step up as a leader when need be.when the rays were 0-2 against texas pena called a team meeting. the rays won the next 2. he will fit in nicely. hopefully this turns out to be more than a 1 yr deal
Cubs get Carlos Pena, the Redsox get Carl Crawford and Adrian Gonzalez
Tom Ricketts is just another in a long line of crappy Cubs owners.
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
M E H
that is all .. as usual, we’re all asked to have a lotta hope that a struggling power hitter will come around and save the day with the Cubs in a new and frightening post-Lee era. I think Pena can bounce back, but hey after all Jeff Davis is ready.
At least Jim’s learning to limit his irrational exuberance down to 1 year .. course with the loss of the Horseshoe Casino income, we must hope for the best ..
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I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
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