Slightly OT: Wish we could afford Pujols
Only in a perfect world...
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The Cubs can afford Pujols
Where did you hear they can’t? Lots of money is off the payroll after this season and even more after 2012.
Now, whether they think that spending that type fo bank on him is a differnt story. Based on that article, he’d be into his 40’s before that contract would expire. One injury and you could easily have a twice as bad contract as Soriano. If $280-300M over 10 years is his demand, let him walk.
However, the Cubs could affford that.
by jerry morales rules on Dec 8, 2010 1:00 PM CST reply actions
here is the question
WHO will be able to afford Pujols? The yanks have Texiera, the Sox are tied up, the White Sox are tied up, basically that leaves the Cubs, Mets, Angels? If he wants 10 years $280-300 million then I sure as hell hope the Cubs dont take him – the Cards couldnt afford that
Phillies have Howard
and the Dodgers have major problems. The Angels have Kendry Morales, assuming he bounces back. Maybe they could get him as a DH.
If the Cardinals don’t re-sign him, it’s us or the Mets.
ya
a buddy of mine (who is a Mets fan) were talking about this – the market is going to be small for Pujols next year, especially if he is wanting a 10 year deal…Im not so sure I want the Cubs to pursue him unless we get a helacious bat to hit 4th and true leadoff hitter
Just a hypothetical situation...
Ideally, what would you pay for Pujols? What do you truly think his market value is?
I would pay
$20-25 million for 7 years at most – with NO NTC – but he will probably go for 8+ and $23-27 million – if I had to guess
Gotta look at what Texiera got and say who is better
Most would agree Pujols is better. I think years is more important than money to players these days. I’d easily give him 10 years. I’d start it off around 220 mil
"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck
Some of us would trade him today.
He’s got no-trade rights. He’s in last year, now optioned, for $16M. We owe him $1.2M/yr in 10 deferments yrs 2020-2029. Some of us think WE can’t afford him, he’ll tie up nearly 25% of expected payroll limits in St Louis. Assuming he’d accept a trade to y’all & assuming we’d do so & let him pound on us every time we see ya, who would you give us for him? ANY way you’d give us Castro, Colvin & Marmol? I’d do that deal in-a-minute, even throw in Theriot if you’d take him back.
Not pullin’ your leg here or trollin’ ya. Really interested in what y’all would give up in trade for him before April. Thanks
I'm a Baseball fan first, Cards fan 2nd.
if you're the Cubs and you're sincerely interested in signing him
which means making a 25+ million offer for 7 years or more, i dont think you trade for him
I think you realize the Cardinals can’t pony up that cash without destroying their future flexibility and you realize Yanks/Red Sox are likely out of it, and you realize 2011 matters little
so you just wait.
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 8, 2010 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
Castro, Marmol, and A-Ram
It won’t happen, but that’s who I would be willing to package in a deal to St. Louis for Pujols.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
A-Ram cant be traded...
If he is his 2012 option becomes guaranteed and no team is willing to take that on unless the Cubs are dishing out a ton of that in cash.
On top of that, Castro, Marmol and A-Ram wouldn’t sniff Pujols I’d think.
Of course they would.
It’s ridiculous to think to all-stars and one of the best SS prospects in the that had a great rookie year wouldn’t be sufficient. Plus the cash it would free up for STL. Pujols is the best player in baseball, but he’s just one player.
Scott Bora$ is satan.
by Canadian Cubs Fan on Dec 8, 2010 7:50 PM CST up reply actions
Perhaps
I was trying to be realistic. Castro has more upside than that so-called shortstop the Cardinals now have. Marmol is a better closer than Franklin. The Cards don’t look too solid at third base. I wasn’t aware of A-Ram’s contract situation. I don’t know who else I could throw into that mix that the Cardinals would want. I suppose I could throw Colvin into the mix, but I don’t know if he’s going to be any kind of star at the MLB level. The price tag for Pujols will be extremely high. Too high!
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
honestly
if we really want pujols you wait until either the deadline or next year when we jsut have to pony up the dough
First off, if I'm the Cardinals
(shudders), hehe couldn’t resist, I ask first and foremost for Hak-Ju Lee. In addition, I ask for Marmol, easily our best player right now. Brett and Jay Jackson are also in that picture. Possibly Cashner, if not, Chris Carpenter.
And honestly, I do that in a heart beat
"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck
If I'm the Cardinals
I’m asking for Castro, Brett Jackson, Archer and McNutt.
Archer and McNutt to help replace pitching once Wainright and Carp leave, Jackson to replace an upset Rasmus and Castro to fill in for the mess that they’re calling a MI.
Honestly, if we get a window to negotiate that, how do you not take it?
I would do everything in my power
to keep Castro out of the deal.
Beyond that, the Cardinals can have anyone they want.
Sounds pretty good to me
But if I could I’d substitute Cashner for one of McNutt or Archer
"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck
I agree with you...
I think it will be interesting to see if they can sign him and how they would offer any kind of flexibility to their payroll. It all but guarantees Carp and Wain are gone and you don’t have a strong enough minor league system to combat that.
2011 offseason will be VERY interesting.
I think it would be dumb
for the Cubs to trade for Pujols. He would require a king’s ransom, and the players sent over would play against the Cubs for the next 10 years. He’d also require one of the largest contracts in baseball history, I’d guess, despite being 31 or 32 when the contract is signed.
It’s probably going to take a 7 year contract at 25-30 per to get him, and there’s a solid chance that he’ll become quite ordinary in the last 2 years or so of the contract. The Ricketts don’t seem to be exactly…spendy, so he’d likely take up just as much of our payroll as he would on the Cards.
I think whoever signs him will be paying for a lot of past performance. Not saying I wouldn’t want one of the 5 best hitters in baseball history on my team, but I don’t think signing him is the slam dunk it would seem to be.
DEJESUS!!!
Not "spendy"?
They just spend $10 mil on Pena and are planning on spending more on a MR and possibly a SP.
"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck
I wouldn't trade for Pujols
No way, no how.
If I was the GM of the Cubs, I would probably talk to him and his agent when he hits the market, but a couple of things would weigh on my thinking:
Chances he leaves STL to head to a big time rival; does he want to be remembered in STL for that sort of thing?
In a 7 or 8 year deal, for just about half of it, chances are he is going to begin to decline. That probably still means that he is going to be an above average hitter and defensive 1B, but he isn’t going to be the Pujols of old, so you are going to be over paying for his the last couple of years.
If Albert Pujols...
actually hits the FA market, the Cubs had better do every single possible thing that they can to land him.
They’ll have the money, there’s no question. It’s just a matter of will they spend it.
30 million is too much
8 years is too much.
Seven years at 27 million per. That sounds right. He’s got to be the highest paid player in the game.
no thanks
getting him for 2 years of prime-ish and 5 years of non-prime for 27 million? The only way the cubs should go after him is if they can get a premier 3b and leadoff guy and a true ace – $150 mill plus in payroll – so that way we have a 3-4 year Jupiter sized window at winning
7 for 27Mil?
I wonder if the cards will be able to afford that?
I would seriously consider it, IF he did not have a NTC since in year 6 and 7, he would be great trade bait to an AL contender for prospects and maybe a young ML’er or two.
If he gets a 7 year deal, wouldn't year 6 and 7 be under his 5 and 10 rights meaning up to him anyways?
Oh
Didn’t occur to me on that piece as well; hrm
I wish NTC weren't allowed in baseball, but at the same time 5 and 10 rights were something like 3.5 and 7.
I wonder how that would affect contracts. lol
Fair Enough
However, I believe there will be a team to give him that 8-year/$240 million contract. I hope that team isn’t the Cubs. As far as Castro goes, I believe the Cubs should most definitely keep him. However, IF (a huge if) the Cubs were to trade for Pujols, I believe the Cardinals would almost demand that Castro be a part of a deal because they’ve got a certain guy, who is a minus shortstop defensively with an average bat (to be kind). I don’t want Castro be a part of the deal. Realistically, I think the cost for Pujols will be too high.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
He should get a comparable deal to AROD.
8 years at $30M a year isn’t too much IMO, he’s arguably the best right-handed hitter ever and will finish his career as one of the all-time greats.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
Given Holliday
I honestly don’t think the Cardinals can afford to sign Pujols and then stand a chance to do anything in the future. Once Carpenter and Wainright are off the books, they are going to want big money (which is well deserved). You’ll see a lot of Theriots passing through St. Louis for the next ten years. Walk Pujols and Holliday and watch the rest hit into double plays and make TOOTBLANs. So part of me hopes they do sign him. The other part obviously wants the Cubs to get him. That’s the kind of player you give a blank check to and say “you’re worth it” to whatever he wants
"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck
I've been watching baseball ...
for well over 40 years, and Pujols is the best player I’ve ever seen at making adjustments to the pitcher over the course of a game better than him. However, I think the Cardinals have already got the best years out of him. Signing Pujols to a seven year, 25-30 a year contract would be the same as what the Cubs are dealing with now with Soriano.
Appreciate the comments
And many are my same thoughts. Even IF we could afford, say, 7/$28MAAV HOW do we then retain much of anybody but Holliday? And without any quality depth in the minors, gonna be tuff to build a competitive team with 40% or more going to an aging LF’r & an aging 1Bman. We’re stuck w.Lohse for 2 years @$12M & Carp gets $15M+$2M deferment this year, option for next. Got a couple more years w/Waino but then he’s gonna be offered Lee money. And with Crawford just getting 7/$142M the costs just keep gettin’ higher. We’re at $110M for this year already, a 17% increase over last year’s $94M. We’re no deeper on the bench, no Vet bench depth whatsoever, & to use a Hendryism we’re extremely “left-handed” in the Rasmus, Berkman, Schu, Jay spots (Berkman’s no stud RH’d). Troubling, to me, when Ras & Berkman are your only proven guys with pop beyond Pujols & Holliday. Means ya gotta depend on Craig/Freese RH’d.
IMO if we don’t sign Albert by start of ST we oughta trade him. Let Berkman play 1B & plan on movin’ Holliday there in 2011 for rest of his contract. I don’t think we’d do it in-Division but if so, with you guys, I GOT to have Marmol & Castro in any deal.
I'm a Baseball fan first, Cards fan 2nd.
80% Chance Pujols Stays in St. Louis
I think in the end that the Cardinals are going to overpay to keep Pujols in St. Louis. As much as I admire Pujols, he’s the best major leaguer I’ve ever seen in person having seen him in Memphis and plenty of games in St. Louis. I don’t believe he’s worth $240 million over 8 years. The Cardinals have to get a ton of sellouts to make money because they are in a relatively small MLB market. A big contract like that could hamstring the franchise for a lot of years. If that happens and the team doesn’t contend, the Cardinals won’t get all those sellouts and won’t be making money any more. The Cardinals do have the highest ticket prices of any smallish MLB market team and ask a lot of financial sacrifice from their fans.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
I'd say Marmol or Castro
Both might be a stretch. I’d rather give Castro and McNutt as a starting point
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