Cubs Win Arbitration With Theriot
by Al Yellon on Feb 20, 2010 9:28 AM CST
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Cubs win arb case vs. Theriot. He'll make 2.6 mil
Perhaps this will leave enough money for the Cubs to sign Chan Ho Park for the bullpen.
Link to Bruce Miles' blog. He'll probably update it later after Jim Hendry meets with reporters.
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The The Cubs Cubs Win WIn Arbitration Arbitration With With Theriot Theriot
"Look, what do you want me to do?"
"I, I just just don't don't understand understand the the decision decision" mumbled mumbled Theriot Theriot
"Look, what do you want me to do?"
Why why are are you you doubling doubling every every word word??
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Well, the Riot police are always grumbling about his "double clutching" so..........
"Look, what do you want me to do?"
llooll
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by eths on Feb 20, 2010 10:55 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Now now I I see see it it!!!!
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Feb 20, 2010 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
here it is
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
here it is frozen in time
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
Poor Ryan...
now he’ll never be half the man Steve Austin was…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I think Theriot is looking for...
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by digitalbenjamin on Feb 20, 2010 9:36 AM CST up reply actions
Man, you're fast.
I was just about to post that.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Weird
Can’t get a link to post.
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by Craig in South Bend on Feb 20, 2010 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
Lol. Love the Seinfeld references.
Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.
There really is one for every situation in life.
"There's more to life than profits...like, you know, slurpees and stuff." ~Randy Marsh
My 7th grade History teacher told me that exact same thing.
Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.
Ryan Dernier humbled...
…maybe now he can stay out of the media and work aon earning a big contract next year.
Steve Swisher - 1976 NL All-Star Catcher
Ouch.
I hope this doesn’t sour the relationship between Theriot and the Cubs.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
This was likely his last year as a Cub regardless
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Feb 20, 2010 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
Why do you say that?
Theriot has been very open with the idea of moving to 2B when Starlin’s ready.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
Because they have a number of MI prospects knocking on the door
And Theriot is no longer a cost-controlled player.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Feb 20, 2010 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
"Likely" may be a bit strong
How about quite possibly?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Feb 20, 2010 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
I agree.
If he has a good year, he’ll be tradeable. If he has a bad year, he’ll be non-tendered.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
"Backup MI for the Yankees" seems like a possible-to-likely outcome either way.
He can spell Jeter and Cano, and be all scrappy in a different color of pinstripes, while getting paid in the ballpark of where he got paid as a starter.
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I think if he went to the Dodgers it would be a relatively similair situation.
Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.
theriot has the glove of a 2b
and the bat of a SS
by jesus christos on Feb 20, 2010 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
And the heart of a lion!
Wait, what?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Feb 20, 2010 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
Put him in short center.
Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.
He still got a huge bump
so he really has little reason to be upset
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~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Feb 21, 2010 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
good start to the weekend
could free up some money to add bullpen depth and will keep riot appropriately priced next year that he can be a trade chip if Castro is ready
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Feb 20, 2010 10:28 AM CST reply actions
What Theriot needs to do is...
try and hit more Home Runs to prove the Cubs wrong!
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by digitalbenjamin on Feb 20, 2010 10:49 AM CST reply actions
meh ...
I’d settle for him trying to be a better baserunner while improving his OBP.
Unless, you were being sarcastic …
indeed I was
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by digitalbenjamin on Feb 20, 2010 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
Lou Piniella approves of this message.
"There's more to life than profits...like, you know, slurpees and stuff." ~Randy Marsh
I'm on board.
10 BCB points to you, sir.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Feb 20, 2010 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
2 BCB points.
Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.
Could be an R&B group
Ryan and the Theriomantics.
One of Lee Elia's 15%
by waiting4cubs on Feb 20, 2010 5:15 PM CST up reply actions
LOL
I just hope the Cubs use the 800k they saved and improve the team via the bullpen
And I hope Theriot brings to the field
the same hutzpah that made him think he could win his arbitration case.
PEDRO!
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Feb 20, 2010 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
Pedro Park?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Feb 20, 2010 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
Yes he did. Down the block around the corner by the fire hydrant.
"Look, what do you want me to do?"
Dang glad to be wrong.
I thought he was getting paid all along.
Now let’s go get a solid bullpen arm.
As I said...
… I’d put Chan Ho Park at the top of that list, presuming all he wants is a one-year deal.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Why not wait and see how Caridad does in ST
Before crowning Park?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Absolutely
I think the team was waiting for the arb case to see if they had the money for Park.
by Josh Timmers on Feb 20, 2010 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
Don't know
MLBtraderumors doesn’t list a salary demand in any of his rumors. But he made $2.5 million last season, so I’d guess he’d want a slight increase over that. I’m guessing he wants about 2.8 million. Might be able to get him for a little less than that.
by Josh Timmers on Feb 20, 2010 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
Thank God this is over.
Go play, Ryan.
"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004
Damn Right
Chan Ho Park would be a huge chip to bolster our pen. He was damn right filthy at times for the Phillies last year. Even if he wants an option for a 2nd year based on innings pitched or something, I say give it to him. I really don’t want to go into spring training with any clear weaknesses !!
You'd have to make it a mutual option, I think.
Park probably has another decent to good year in him, but at age 37, I don’t know if I’d commit to him for two.
Right now he seems like the best option out there.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I sure like the way this off season is shaping up
in contrast to, say, last year.
you can’t get much by that #$%@ ballhawk -- LT
by Emelie on Feb 20, 2010 12:30 PM CST reply actions 6 recs
I can't agree 100%
I wish we added a starter to replace Harden cause I don’t think we can really believe Randy Wells can pitch as strong as he did last year for a full season.
Its yet to be determined if Marlon Bryd can produce like he did last year in Wrigley but w the new hitting coach, we have to be optomistic all of our under performing superstars can perform this year!
of course it's not 100%
nor will it ever be. It’s just that this season doesn’t have me holding my breath hoping/wishing for the best while knowing full well that the outcome is going to be far from it — like last season did.
you can’t get much by that #$%@ ballhawk -- LT
Wells first start was May 8th...
…so essentially, he pitched the whole season.
I remain optimistic about Randy Wells. It seems many think he’s a fluke.
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by carmen_fanzone on Feb 20, 2010 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
I think he's the real deal.
He seems to know what he’s doing up there on the mound. And his head seems screwed on right. Do I expect him to repeat last years numbers? No. But I don’t think he will “turn back into a pumpkin.”
Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.
My only hesitation with Wells is that he put up some pretty uninspiring numbers
for three straight years at Iowa before last year. I don’t think anyone had much of a reason to expect what he did last year, based on his minor league numbers. Now, he got a late start to his pitching career, and maybe he’s just now “getting it”. I thoroughly enjoyed watching him pitch last year, and thought he looked very polished, but I can’t completely disregard the previous three years.
"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin
He didn't get rattled easily
And he didn’t overthrow when he got into trouble. I like that kind of makeup for any starter. He can be hittable, but he can also get himself out of jams – I’m optimistic about his ability to repeat last year’s above-average performance.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I saw him pitch for Iowa
and I thought he was pretty good at the time. (You can search for my report on him in the minors in 2008 if you want.) And honestly, his 2008 line in the minors is actually pretty good. The PCL is a hitters paradise (although less so in Iowa than in other places) so I look at those HR and walk totals in 2008 and think he had a pretty darn good season. And a 3-1 K/BB ratio is pretty good.
I have few illusions about Wells. He’s not going to be an ace ever. He is what he is— a solid #4-5 pitcher. He doesn’t have the stuff to get better. But he does seem to have a really good head for the game and a that’s going to keep him from having a complete collapse. He’s a guy who realizes his limitations and that will keep him from sucking.
by Josh Timmers on Feb 20, 2010 7:38 PM CST up reply actions
Green'ed.
Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.
Absolutely - my only quibble is that 70% of this offseason has been reversing last offseason.
That said, it’s difficult to find a whole lot of fault with anything they’ve done this offseason – those mistakes were made last year. The problem is that Hendry’s 2008 offseason was such a cataclysmic failure that its effects will linger on, and wafting around the clubhouse for a few years in some cases.
As for this year’s decisions – I’m unhappy with the decision to jettison Harden, b/c I think the rotation is shaping up to be somewhere between “a bit of a problem” and “a total disaster”…. but frankly, Hendry’s replacement probably would have had to jettison Harden too, due to the financial/roster situation Hendry created last offseason.
So basically, Hendry spent this offseason flatly reversing his decisions from 12 months prior on Bradley and Miles, ditching both- granted, at the cost of Jake Fox and a pile of dead money on the payroll, which ultimately lead to the ditching of Rich Harden. Of course, the Bradley change gave him the opportunity to reverse his equally mistaken decision that Dome could play CF by adding Byrd, so there’s that, I guess.
Getting Nady was a great positive step. The main problem that we now face is that our 4th OF may be our best OF bat…. but I’m sure someone will get hurt soon enough, and sticking Nady in the lineup everyday is a massive improvement from throwing Bobby Scales out there.
Ditching Gregg can only help – no matter who we add to the bullpen in his place – the man is totally ill-suited to pitching in save situations, and demonstrated that fact in an astonishingly conclusive fashion last season. Of course, now Carlos Marmol doesn’t have to be the “man who replaced Kerry Wood” – he only has to be the “man who replaced Kevin Gregg”. So that’s easier, anyway.
The one error that Hendry made last year which still haunts this team is Pie-for-eventually-Heilman which looked just insanely stupid at the time and looks dramatically more so now in the wake of Heilman’s abject failure and unceremonious dumping. It’s not often that you can turn your consensus #1 prospect into absolutely nothing in a series of trades occurring in less than 1 year, but Hendry managed that feat – despite the sad fact that said #1 prospect played at the MLB roster’s #1 position of need.
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by D98 on Feb 20, 2010 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The way I see it, with my little eyes,
I think you are on to something. I agree, this offseason just feels better.
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Not needing RJ was a little sad- I will miss him.
But other than that I agree.
"Fasten those seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
I will *definitely* give you that
losing RJ broke my heart.
you can’t get much by that #$%@ ballhawk -- LT
Having to let R.J. go was a pity...
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Yep I will miss him too.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
Kind of a backhanded compliment
to say this off season is better than last year. Doing nothing would have been better than what they did last off season.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
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by lookingdeadred on Feb 21, 2010 9:35 AM CST up reply actions
arbitration hearing a message from the new owners?
it appears that Hendry wasnt allowed to settle in the middle, which Riot’s agent was banking on. The Cubs will still settle with most/all players going forward, but they have just let everybody know that they aren’t afraid to go to a hearing. Settling is best for establishing relationships, but you need to flex the muscles once in a while too. Theriot will continue to give 100%. How good that is, we will find out.
by holy mackeral on Feb 20, 2010 1:49 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
As was pointed out to you by lookingdeadred
The numbers are submitted simultaneously. The agent couldn’t have used the midpoint as a plan.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Feb 20, 2010 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
True, but I think most agents would have a pretty good idea of what the club will be offering
and likewise, most GMs probably have a good idea of what the player will be asking.
The simultaneous submission does bring to mind this question though… I wonder if there has ever been a situation where the club has offered more than the player was asking? If so, I bet Steve Phillips had something to do with it… ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I know for a fact that it has happened. Quite a while ago, and I don't remember the player, but it has.
"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin
If you'd be happy with 3M then you offer more than that
It seems to me that these agents just offer around .5M to 1M more than they would settle for in anticipation to settling in the middle.
of course
that principle is negotiation 101 – whatever “X” you are happy at…go a little further your way. If you want to pay $100,000 for a house you offer $95,000 so you have to “give” some to get to what you want to pay. Working at the car dealer we did this all the time, start at sticker price, not at invoice price…some people are fine with paying close to sticker…
I saw you in that coffee shop, breaking the fifth commandment. Congress passes these things for a reason, Lois.
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I'm sure Theriot assumed that the Cubs would raise their offer in order to avoid an arb hearing.
Considering that the Cubs have raised their offer to literally every single player who has been headed to arbitration for the last 7 years, I’m sure that Theriot and his agent assumed that more money would be forthcoming if they just held their ground. They guessed wrong.
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Why would you assume they didnt do that for theriot?
They did it for the 8 other players who were arbitration eligible.
by madcow256 on Feb 20, 2010 7:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Because they didn't reach a mutually agreeable number.
Throughout Hendry’s tenure, the Cubs have eventually raised every single offer to every arb-eligible player, to a point that the player considered the offer acceptable.
In this case, for the first time in Hendry’s time as GM, the Cubs refused to make a player (Theriot) any offer he considered acceptable prior to the arb hearing.
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We don't know if other offers were made.
Only that no agreement was reached.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
That's exactly what I said.
We know that, for the first time in Hendry’s tenure, the Cubs made no offer which the player found acceptable prior to the arb hearing.
I don’t know whether it is a new organizational philosophy, whether Hendry determined that this case was worth standing his ground on, or whether Hendry made his usual counteroffers and Theriot rejected them all – but we can be absolutely certain that, for the first time, Hendry made no offer which the player found acceptable prior to the hearing.
I applaud this development – I am not sure how you can be taken seriously as a negotiator if you are known to settle 100% of the time.
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I think...
… this may be a one-year thing where the budget only went to a certain point and no farther.
Or, it may be that Theriot would not budge off his request. We’ll never know.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
We could find out
We’d just need to take Ryan or Jim out for a few drinks and see if that might “open the vault”.
Yes, absolutely. Recd.
Hendry has spent 7 years “meeting in the middle” with every single arb-eligible player on the roster, which is part of how we wound up with a bench made entirely of mediocre millionaires.
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Is that Ocho Cinco taking out Riot in the photo? ;-)
Man – that guy is everywhere!!!
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Considering he made only, what, 800k last year?
Still a pretty good payday.
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I guess Ryans lawyer/mediator wasnt scrappy enough
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
I'm fully aware that arbitration numbers are bid simultaneously, this is well documented
Theriot’s agent is still allowed to devise a strategy afterwards, right? I believe that once numbers were exchanged, he wrongly gambled that the Cubs would settle near the middle. We will never know, but Hendry probably offered about $2.8 mill to settle, and was turned down. OK, Shanghai, feel free to insult me again, I can handle it.
Theriot's agent probably assumed that the Cubs would up their offer prior to the hearing.
Based on the fact that the Cubs have upped their offer to every single person headed to arbitration, basically in the entire Hendry era. But, as you note, not this time.
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You think that was an insult?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Feb 20, 2010 8:49 PM CST up reply actions
do we have any evidence that says that Hendry didnt offer something in the middle? Perhaps it was the agent and Theriot that were trying to hold out?
I saw you in that coffee shop, breaking the fifth commandment. Congress passes these things for a reason, Lois.
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Where did I claim that Hendry didn't?
I don’t have any evidence of that, because you can’t prove a negative. Do you have any evidence that he did?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Feb 21, 2010 7:37 AM CST up reply actions
You can state with absolute certainty that Hendry didn't offer something Theriot found acceptable.
You can also state that for every other arb-eligible player Hendry has faced, he’s eventually come up with an offer that the player DID find to be acceptable.
While we’ll never know the precise offers and counter-offers, there’s no question that something unprecedented happened here.
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Not worth a separate fanpost, but just got back from a Wrigley Field walkaround...
About 10 ticket windows open – some activity but no lines, no waiting.
Ice rink still open. Back of scoreboard still the same. That one rooftop building on Sheffield still nowhere near being done. Field covered with snow. Wall along left field line still under wraps.
Bunch of junk piled up inside Gate D (Sheffield/Addison). Mostly old fixtures, wiring, concrete chunks, etc. but there was also one four burner electric range. Guess they upgraded the kitchen. Also a couple of doors – and one of them had a “Chuck Norris Top 50 Facts” full-length poster on it. Was familiar with most of them, but here was one I’d never seen before – “Chuck Norris can slam a revolving door.” Crack me up…
Got a BigGulp and the franchise owner was there. Lackluster ticket sales yesterday appears to have had ripple effect on surrounding businesses – he usually does big business on ticket-day in previous years, but yesterday was no different than most days. No new news on the hotel development project.
And no, the CEO of 7/11 did not visit that store for tomorrow night’s episode of “Undercover Boss”. Evidently the CEO is from Naperville. I asked the franchise manager what would he change about the company – he said “better split for the stores”. ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Did you get a Big Gulp for Al?
Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.
Did any balls fly out to you bh? I doubt there was much street competition...
"Look, what do you want me to do?"
nope - the only one that can hit them out anymore is Z...
…and he’s already in camp.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Idk, that ball Milton hit back in May will probably land soon.
Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.
ha! I read that as "better spit for the stores"
and thought… that’s appropriate ;-)
Thanks for the report, BH. You really are BCB’s color man.
you can’t get much by that #$%@ ballhawk -- LT
"He's not the best color man in the business for nothing, folks..."
"Look, what do you want me to do?"
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I like this quote from Theriot
“Everything is fine,” Theriot said. “I think Jim has been fair to me for a long time. … I never felt I’m owed anything. This is a privilege to be able to come in here and do this every day. There are millions of people who would love to do it. So from that point of view, whatever you get is great and you’re happy with it and you go out there and play.”
Cubs beat Ryan Theriot in salary arbitration
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thats refreshing
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
I don't care what anyone else says about him.
I I ♥ ♥ Theriot Theriot.
"Fasten those seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
but here is the real double clutch
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
I'm gonna throw
wait
ha! fooled you! Now, let’s raise some dust!
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Feb 21, 2010 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
I always worry about how these hearings get into a player's head
Nobody wins in an arbitration hearing. It sounds like from what little has leaked out that Theriot is not going to let this eat away at him. I hope.
What's with the love for Chan Ho Park?
He’s not particularly good. I’d rather keep that 800K in the bank and use it for something useful come mid July if Park is the only option right now.
As a reliever, he was solid last year
Not as a starter, though.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Feb 21, 2010 7:39 AM CST up reply actions
Interesting. Didn't realize he started last year.
But the numbers were flipped in 2008. He was better as a starter then.
If we’re going to pay money to a veteran bullpen arm, I’d much rather give it to Calero. He has consistently been very, very good. Which is rare for a reliever.
Same goes for Park.
They’ve been equally as healthy the last few years. Calero has been immensely better though.
Calero wasn't "immensely" better than Park as a reliever.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
No, he wasn't.
Calero: 60 IP, 1.10 WHIP, 1.95 ERA, 30 BB, 69 K, 1 HR
Park: 50 IP, 1.18 WHIP, 2.52 ERA, 16 BB, 52 K, 0 HR
I’m not sure in what universe that translates to “immensely” better.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
The key phrase was...
“the last few years.” I’m not just talking about one year. Relievers are so spotty in general, looking at one year is pointless. Calero has been a major league pitcher for 7 years now. He’s been good to great in 6 of those years.
Guess you didn't see how he did last year out of the pen
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by lookingdeadred on Feb 21, 2010 9:38 AM CST up reply actions
He was quite good.
But that was one year. Half a year, rather. If we’re spending money on another reliever, why give it to a guy who has a small amount of success in the role as opposed to a guy who has had a tremendous amount of success in the role (Calero), especially when the cost will likely be the same?
Was there ever any doubt that the arbitrator would award Riot the figure with the TWO in it? ($2.6M)
Just kidding Ryan. Best of luck and have a great year. We should all “lose” in salary negotiations and make only $2.6 MILLION dollars.
"Look, what do you want me to do?"
by Zeke on Feb 21, 2010 6:29 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Best comment of the thread.
"What a lot of people don’t see is the tremendous amount of progress that has been made in the organization over the last few years. We have a lot of very talented guys coming up through the system. Jim has built an incredible scouting organization." - Tom Ricketts
neither side
actually lost . the cubs saved money and theriot got a huge raise.as for the bullpen what about caridad and berg? these guys looked really good last year. give some of the kids a chance.
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