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FELIPE LOPEZ?


Hello to my fellow Cubs fans.  It has been awhile since i've made a post here on BCB, so I apologize if this matter/situation has already been discussed.  So, what about Felipe Lopez?  I haven't heard too much about him since he fired Scott Boras.  Yes I know the Cubs are mainly looking at finding another right handed reliever, but I don't tihnk that Theriot and Fukudome are leadoff hitters.  Lopez had a .383 on base percentage ( I believe mainly if not all in the leadoff role last year).  Hes also a switch hitter and is descent with the glove.  I think Hendry shoudl at least inquire about Lopez and see what he could do.  It would be a surprise move that can benefit the team in a great way.  This would leave Fontenot as either a role player or a trade piece, and Baker to still assume utility roles.

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Questionable clubhouse guy

May be better than one (or more) of our options, but I’d rather save the money for the draft or an early-mid season trade.

by tim815 on Feb 21, 2010 1:58 PM CST reply actions  

Agreed.

Bat Kosuke lead-off vs. RHP, Theriot vs. LHP (career .360 wOBA vs. lefties, .386 raw OBP).

Bing bam boom.

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by daver on Feb 22, 2010 9:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Exactly.

I’m not sure why this is such a difficult concept for Lou to master. Fukudome’s career leadoff OBP is .395 (229 PA), career OBP vs. RHP .372.

A platoon arrangement like that — and you’d bat whoever wasn’t leading off second — would put a ton of runners on base.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Feb 22, 2010 10:21 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd imagine that's exactly what Lou -do will do.

Like you said, it’s a perfect platoon situation.

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by propheteer on Feb 22, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

SOMEONE WAKE LOU UP AND TELL HIM!

Sorry for shouting.

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by Al Yellon on Feb 22, 2010 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Well he couldn't seem to figure it out last year...

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Feb 22, 2010 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Completely agree...

…the leadoff spot for Fukudome (against RH’s) should be his to lose. That means he should get the first 30 or so games in that role to show what he can do.

If he falls on his face, you make an adjustment.

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by MPH73 on Feb 25, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Feb 21, 2010 2:26 PM CST reply actions  

That guy has one heck of an arm!

Maybe the Cubs should give him a ST invite.

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by hip2bsquare on Feb 21, 2010 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

He's not lefthanded, though.

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by Al Yellon on Feb 21, 2010 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

are you sure it isnt transposed and he is in fact using his left hand?

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by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 21, 2010 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Was that on purpose?

Because if it was, that’s funny.

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1. A slender flexible rod, stick, or twig, especially one used for whipping.

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by Shanghai Badger on Feb 21, 2010 9:42 PM CST up reply actions  

not anymore

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by unretrofied93 on Feb 22, 2010 10:13 AM CST up reply actions  

once again the Baker as Utility guy rears its ugly head

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by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 21, 2010 2:43 PM CST reply actions  

To repeat, Felipe Lopez SUCKS

There is a reason why he changes teams more than some people change underwear. There is also a reason why he is unemployed as of late February. He is Ronny Cedeno only with a better public relations man.

A big fat NO….

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by BLou on Feb 21, 2010 4:58 PM CST reply actions  

Cedeno has a PR man?

Can PR man run the bases better than ONEDEC?

by tim815 on Feb 21, 2010 5:55 PM CST up reply actions  

He doesn't suck

He had a WAR of 4.6 last season between the DBacks and Brewers with a value of $20.5 according to fangraphs. That wasn’t luck. He’s a very good defender, baserunner and batter.

He’s Milton Bradley, so I suppose that’s the problem.

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by IowaCubs- on Feb 21, 2010 6:54 PM CST up reply actions  

This is why I have a problem with Fangraphs at times.

No one’s seriously suggesting Lopez should be paid $20.5 million, are they?

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by Al Yellon on Feb 22, 2010 7:29 AM CST up reply actions  

I think he means

$20.50, he never said million. lol

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by tony412 on Feb 22, 2010 9:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Seriously, Yes on $20.5 million

If you are Felipe Lopez, his agent, or his wife. {sarcasm}

How much to just sign his wife? {seriously}

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by RiskyBusiness on Feb 22, 2010 9:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh, you're going to make me do this again, aren't you.

Felipe Lopez’s wife:

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by Al Yellon on Feb 22, 2010 10:21 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Must be tough

to be a fairly rich athlete with some connections.

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by propheteer on Feb 22, 2010 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Would this contract be worth $20.5 million?

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by IowaCubs- on Feb 24, 2010 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh, yes.

And I don’t think we need a sabermagician to tell us that, either.

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by Al Yellon on Feb 24, 2010 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Wonder if that was taken before or after this one?

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by Goodie1969 on Feb 25, 2010 9:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Doesn't even look like the same person.

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by Al Yellon on Feb 25, 2010 9:15 AM CST up reply actions  

They never make that claim either...

They just say that in market terms, one win is worth $4.45 million. Nobody would pay $38 million for Ben Zobrist either, but his defense and offense combined with the value of the positions he plays made him worth that much in 2009.

It just proves how much his character flaws are worth.

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by IowaCubs- on Feb 22, 2010 9:59 AM CST up reply actions  

They do...

Because of market conditions, you can quantify the value of a win for each team. You can see that the effect that Zobrist has on his team last season had the same effect as Albert Pujols. Nobody is saying that you should pay Zobrist $38 million, but without him, you would have been saddled with league average players and 8 fewer wins. What’s that worth to you?

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by IowaCubs- on Feb 22, 2010 10:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Not $38 million.

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by Al Yellon on Feb 22, 2010 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

The reason nobody would pay that much is because he hasn't demonstrated he's worth that on a year-by-year basis

He had a great year both at at the plate and in the field last year.

Part of the reason nobody really thinks he’s worth that much is because of how inconsistent a player’s defense (and defensive metrics moreso) are on a year by year basis. He was slightly below average the past few seasons. Combined with last season its not unfair to say he’s probably no better than slightly above average defensively. Combined with his bat which up until last season wasn’t anything special either, and you have someone you clearly wouldn’t pay over $15m/year for on the open market.

Now, if he has another season or two like last year, then you would seriously have to consider making him one of the higher paid free agents. Until then, all Fangraphs is saying is that he had a single very strong year last year.

by madcow256 on Feb 23, 2010 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Right...

… but in the open market, that’s what 8 wins costs you. This season, because of deflation in contracts, they’ve actually dropped the number per win to be worth something like $3.5 mil. Still not something that any team would pay for Zobrist, because his production is much less predictable than someone like Pujols.

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by IowaCubs- on Feb 24, 2010 11:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Where I think Fangraphs fails for me is comparing Pujols to Zobrist...

Fangraphs has Zobrist at $38.8 million in value for 2009. In that same year, Pujols was worth only $38.2 million. That really fails the logic test for me.

by SouthernCub on Feb 22, 2010 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

He was an All-Star, finished 8th in MVP voting, and played a lot of defensive positions very well last year

Combined with a .948 OPS, I don’t think its crazy that for one year his value was close to that of Pujols, who plays one of the least valuable defensive positions.

Most projection systems have his bat and glove both cooling off next year, but with a projected value somewhere between $15-20m. I don’t think that’s crazy.

by madcow256 on Feb 23, 2010 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Nobody seriously suggests Lopez should make $20.5 mil next year...

Especially not the people that put the dollar values on Fangraphs pages.

What they are saying is that, in their best estimation, if the teams he played for last year tried to replace his production on the free agent market, they would have had to spend on average about $20.5 million to do it. Important qualifiers there: best estimation, free agent, and average. It’s hard to estimate players’ defensive contributions, and sometimes luck/fielding has an impact on hitting numbers. And free agents are expensive; even the Yankees couldn’t afford to compete without cost-controlled young players… and some free agents bust, and the cost of busts is factored into the average free-agent cost per win along with successes. Plus certain types of free agents tend to be valued above or below what the formula spits out for a lot of different reasons.

In Lopez’ case, UZR said he had the best season of his career defensively at an age at which that’s not likely to happen. So it’s likely that UZR’s best estimation of his defensive contribution in 2009 was overblown. It’s the best estimation they have, so they have to use it for 2009, but nobody is projecting that it will continue. His BABIP was 40 points over his career average last year, so luck was probably a big part of his offensive numbers, but they have to attribute them to him for WAR purposes because it’s too hard to separate luck from skill when it comes to a hitter’s BABIP. I’d say the “best estimation” probably included a fair amount of luck and measurement error.

Until we find better defensive metrics and a foolproof way to separate luck from hitting, we consider $20.5 mil to be a reflection of Lopez’ performance. But when deciding how much to pay him, clubs do something much more similar to projection. They say he’s unlikely to repeat that .358 BABIP and plus UZR, and without those things he’s more like an average player or worse. Which would make him worth at most $7 million in this offseason’s free agent market. But unless you’re a contender with money that needs a second baseman you’re not likely to offer even that. A hypothetical team likely to contend with an opening at 2B and some extra cash could probably sign him for less than $5 mil at this point, as there just aren’t that many suitors.

by aldimond on Feb 24, 2010 3:59 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks for weighing in on this.

Those Fangraphs dollar amounts do create a lot of controversy and confusion.

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by daver on Feb 25, 2010 8:21 AM CST up reply actions  

So why do they do them that way?

To me, they make almost no real-world sense.

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by Al Yellon on Feb 25, 2010 9:15 AM CST up reply actions  

I guess they're trying to give us some sort of financial perspective on a player.

Even if it’s a rather confusing one.

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by daver on Feb 25, 2010 10:09 AM CST up reply actions  

I understand that.

But most of the figures, as you mention, seem confusing, not to mention unrealistic.

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by Al Yellon on Feb 25, 2010 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't disagree with your final assessment...

…but that’s not exactly an accurate comparison. Both guys have had some pretty shaky results over the years, but at least Lopez has a couple decent seasons to his name.

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by daver on Feb 22, 2010 10:04 AM CST up reply actions  

NO BUT ONCE WE SIGN ADAM LIND

OUR WORRIES WILL GO AWAY.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Feb 21, 2010 7:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Not Eric Hanna

But I saw Jesus here earlier today

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by El Borto on Feb 22, 2010 10:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Not a big fan of the "chemisty" argument

If other players, management, coaches have issues with certain employees then it’s just an excuse for not succeeding (of course Bradley is the exception to the rule). Lopez would certainly be an upgrade at 2B, and wouldn’t necessarily have to be placed at the top of the lineup.

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by propheteer on Feb 22, 2010 11:29 AM CST reply actions  

Lopez, Bradley, Johnny Estrada

There are reasons why certain players seem to be on different teams every year.

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by Shanghai Badger on Feb 22, 2010 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

No problems with chemistry

last year and the Cards fans seem to think likewise of his time there.

by ol Pete on Feb 23, 2010 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Chemistry

Why is it white guys like Kevin Millar are good for team chemistry and non-whites aren’t?

by W Smith on Feb 25, 2010 2:49 PM CST reply actions  

Who said non-whites are bad for team chemistry?

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by Goodie1969 on Feb 25, 2010 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

you must be new here

many non whites have been mentioned as good for Chemistry on this blog,

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by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 25, 2010 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Marlon Byrd, for example.

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by Al Yellon on Feb 25, 2010 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Mike Cameron

has the reputation of being a great clubhouse guy.

by ol Pete on Feb 25, 2010 9:45 PM CST up reply actions  

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