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So he took a pay cut?
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by cubswynn on Feb 22, 2010 7:27 AM CST via mobile reply actions
yeah...
not good enough for the Cubs, but good enough for the defending World Champions
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Depends on what you give up
I think we’re ok as is. If we need to, make a trade midseason for him or someone who is better. That money saved from Theriot could be put to good use in the future, albeit the little amount that it is.
"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck
exactly ...
Now that Park is off the market, Calero might be had for around $1 million.
Maybe.
But, do the Cubs want to spend that money? Or save it? Maybe Caridad or Berg could do as good a job.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I understand your reasoning ...
But we’re not talking about a mutliyear deal. If the Cubs signed Calero and he struggled, Caridad and Berg would be right there — and I don’t think Calero’s cheap contract would mean the Cubs would play him no matter what.
Frankly, Al, I think you’re a little gunshy regarding free agents after last season. You’ve favored internal options (Reed Johnson, etc.) in many cases instead of going outside the organization.
Please don’t take that personally. But to rule out Calero at $1 million — in a deal that would also keep the Cubs from dealing young talent — doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. And, yes — this is all irrelevant if Calero is demanding a lot more money or years.
Calero was never interested in a 1 year deal which is why we moved on.
What’s to say he is now? Just because Park is off the market does not mean Calero will not only cut the second year but also cut his asking price by 2MM per year.
Obviously the longer we wait, the less expensive he’ll become, but I wouldnt count on a 1/1M deal for Calero.
what's to say?
Well, he doesn’t have a job yet, and ST has started. And many free agents have had to accept less than they hoped for. Look at Reed Johnson, to name one.
You’re right that I don’t know with certainty that Calero would take a 1-year, $1 million deal. But isn’t $1 million better than $0 million?
Exactly
The closer it gets to opening day, the lower the prices of players will drop. At this point, I’d assume that most GMs are comfortable with what they have, meaning there aren’t any HUGE gaps that can be solved by a FA. The remaining FA’s need to realize that there’s a reason they are unsigned: they are either bullpen guys, AAA guys, or bench guys. Their prices will drop if they want to get paid at all in 2010
"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck
Give me a million and I'll let you know.
But I agree we should get Calero.
I didnt want Park, he can go ring chase all he wants.
She asked: Are you a hopeless romantic?
I answered: I'm a Cubs fan, of course I am.
by Zy Toro Young on Feb 22, 2010 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
I see your point.
I just think throwing money at mid 30’s free agents is a real roll-the-dice idea, especially when you are talking a middle relief guy.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I totally agree
But I’m willing to roll the dice for 1 year and $1 million — especially if it means not trading young pitching.
Depends on what the Blue Jays would want for Frasor.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I'm of that belief
See what the kids have before giving up on them
"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck
by Musicdude10 on Feb 22, 2010 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
Like this little tidbit:
He said he had considered signing with the Chicago Cubs, who offered him a chance to be a starter. “But I have choosen the Yankees,” Park said. “A prestigious team that can advance to the World Series again.”
Well screw you Park!
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
Hmm...
Don’t know why the, “Well screw you Park!” was involved in the block quote?
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
The Cubs wanted Park to be a starter?
That would have been a mistake.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Yes it would have been
Maybe a spot starter possibly, but it is clear his role is in the bullpen.
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
Maybe something got lost in translation
it just doesnt make sense.
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I wonder if the Cubs just offered the CHANCE to start ...
knowing that the chances of Park making the rotation were close to zero.
My thoughts exactly - Hendry was just sweetening the deal.
I’m a little bit bummed that Park chose the Yankees. I’ve had a feeling for the last few days that he would make a good eighth-inning guy. But, c’est la vie, it’s money that stays in the bank at this point. I agree with Al that a reasonable trade for Frasor could be a decent move at this point. Or, y’know, the Cubs could just keep rotating young guys into the pen until one sticks.
Hopefully
Otherwise I fear we’ll be soon hearing that we’ve signed Looper.
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by BucknerKongCardenal on Feb 22, 2010 10:20 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't exactly want the Cubs to take a chance on him either
I can’t blame him for his comments about wanting to get to a World Series. As optimistic as I am every year going into a season, we’re definitely not favored to make the playoffs this year. He’s going to turn 37 this year and played in his first World Series last year. Given his age, I can’t blame him for wanting to win a championship above all else. What team gives him the better chance to get there again? That would be the Stinkees.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
who offered him a chance to be a starter.
thank you for choosing a more “prestigious team”
by jesus christos on Feb 22, 2010 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't want him at all.
I would take a chance on Calero…..for the right price.
Frasor is better than either of these players.
$2.65 million.
Hm. I didn’t realize it was that much. Maybe he’s not such a great choice.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
exactly
$2.65 million, plus prospects for Frasor or $1 millionish for Calero?
Calero. In a second.
I think the issue was...
…. that Calero wanted a two-year deal. Which I wouldn’t give.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
me, either
But it’s Feb. 22. Calero doesn’t have a job. Offer him $1 million, get him to camp and be done with it — if it can be done.
Chan Ho Park would have been nice
Cubs could REALLY use what Park can bring to the bullpen. Plus he would have been a viable option for the rotation that is better than going into delirium about Carlos Silva, Jeff Sarmardizija and Tom Gorzellaney.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
No one's going into "delirium" over those guys.
And Park was awful as a starter last year — almost as bad as Silva.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
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