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If the “fan” had worked on his baseball fundamentals AT ALL, he could have just caught the hot dog…. how do you not see a hot dog coming at your face? Honestly.

Also, the last line in the article just slayed me!!

by Fonzie2178 on Feb 23, 2010 2:08 PM CST reply actions  

Maybe he should have done the Soriano hop...

…to help his timing.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Feb 23, 2010 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Have you seen some of the moaps that go to games?

They have about as much hand/eye coordination as roadkill. Now this may likely only apply for a few percent of the total attendance but it only takes one.

But there’s no requirement to enter a ballpark that one must have the ability to catch a flying weiner. Though I totally understand your viewpoint.

Just win the next game...!

by blackhawk24 on Feb 25, 2010 7:52 AM CST up reply actions  

How long before

you see that disclaimer on the backs of tickets?

by Fonzie2178 on Feb 25, 2010 8:41 AM CST up reply actions  

What the...????

“Coomer is now suing the Royals for more than $25k for negligence and battery — claiming they ‘failed to adequately train its agents … in the proper method in which to throw hotdogs into the stands at Kauffman Stadium.’”

I’d love to hear the description of the “proper method” for throwing a hot dog. Are there any hot dog throwing experts his lawyer can call as witnesses?

BTW, I hope the goomer who’s suing isn’t related to Ron Coomer.

by Mike Vails Evil Twin on Feb 23, 2010 2:16 PM CST reply actions  

Good thing

it wasn’t a line-foul, huh?

by Fonzie2178 on Feb 23, 2010 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

No kidding

He probably would have sued the batter for improper bat control.

by Mike Vails Evil Twin on Feb 23, 2010 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Or Rawlings,

for not making a safe enough baseball…

by Fonzie2178 on Feb 23, 2010 2:28 PM CST up reply actions  

The back of the ticket..............

…………exonerates the team/players on batted balls, but this is a somewhat different.

We can’t really know the details, but I gotta tell you, if I’m sitting at a ball game and someone throws something and I wind up with a detached retina, I’m not going to take the matter lightly.

"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra

by tville on Feb 23, 2010 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Mike and I were going more along the lines of

“If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball”… Except in this case it would be “If you can catch a ball, you can catch a hot dog”

I’m no eye surgeon, I don’t know if you can fix a detached retina… Too bad he got hurt but to me it seems like an unfortunate accident, not grounds for a lawsuit.

by Fonzie2178 on Feb 23, 2010 5:59 PM CST up reply actions  

friend of mine had to have his reattached

it can be done, but isa long slow process to heal.

I guess this should be one more reason why people need to pay attention at the games. put the laptop/cell phone/newspaper/magazine/potato gun/make up/tweezer/show polish/palm pilot/and whatever else you can hold to distract yourself from the game, and pay attention for your own damn safety. Had this been Bartman, he would have dropped the hot dog, but would not have hurt himself

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by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 23, 2010 7:29 PM CST up reply actions  

"Potato gun"?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Feb 23, 2010 7:32 PM CST up reply actions  

im sure you know what it is

now why you would have it at the game, no clue, just popped into my head and i ran with it

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by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 23, 2010 8:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I've gotta believe............

…………this was taking place between innings. I can’t imagine a mascot for a MLB team doing such things while the ball was in play. So while I agree people should be “watching the game”, when it’s between innings, NO ONE should be forced to watch some dork in a costume tossing his wares around the park.

Again, I think we lack sufficient info to make a completely informed decision, but if the friggin’ guy had to have eye surgery because some douche bag is whipping hot dogs willy nilly, I’m thinking he’s got grounds.

Further, if he was a massive tool he’d have been suing the Royals for $2.5 million, not a modest $25K (which likely covers expenses).

"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra

by tville on Feb 23, 2010 11:10 PM CST up reply actions  

All it says is...

… “more than $25k”, which is probably all the court filing is allowed to say. It could be $25,000 or ten times that.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Feb 24, 2010 7:48 AM CST up reply actions  


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by eths on Feb 24, 2010 7:58 AM CST up reply actions  

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Feb 24, 2010 8:46 AM CST up reply actions  


"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
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by eths on Feb 24, 2010 9:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Then again, he's lucky it only hit him in the eye

It would have done more damage if he’d actually eaten it.

by Mike Vails Evil Twin on Feb 23, 2010 2:37 PM CST reply actions  

Either it was

the oldest, stalest hot dog in the world, or that mascot should be a starting pitcher. Either way it’s hard to fathom how any hot dog I’ve ever encountered could possibly take out an eye. Move over, Red Ryder!

by Fonzie2178 on Feb 23, 2010 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Crikey

I swear to God Bleedcubbieblue has more coverage of the Kansas City Royals than anywhere else on the planet. If it’s not 13 part series on how awfully run the Royals are, then it’s 37 part dissection of why Scott Podsednik was a silly signing. Now we get breaking coverage of a mascot mishap.

The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.

by BLou on Feb 23, 2010 10:29 PM CST reply actions  

Believe it or not..

… this is a baseball blog, where discussion of baseball-related topics is permitted. Surprise to you, right?

If you’re not interested in this, pass it on by instead of posting bombast about something you’re not even interested in.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Feb 24, 2010 7:49 AM CST up reply actions  

And let's not overlook ...

… the many discussions about the White Sox here. This one was especially precious. 196 posts too!

“We Cubbie fans never post about the Sox, we completely ignore them…now on to the 400 posts about the Sox letting Omar use Little Luis’ number & bragging about how we’re better than Sox fans…”

"In time you can turn these obsessions into careers...Hurry Down Doomsday the bugs are taking over." - Elvis Costello

by DrCrawdad on Feb 24, 2010 10:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Right...

because the White Sox are the only ones who retire numbers in baseball, right? It was an extremely unorthodox move, which is why it was discussed here, in a baseball blog.

by bdlugz on Feb 24, 2010 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Right.

If another team had done the same thing, I’d have said the same thing about it, and we probably would have had the same discussion.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Feb 24, 2010 10:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Key word: Probably

"In time you can turn these obsessions into careers...Hurry Down Doomsday the bugs are taking over." - Elvis Costello

by DrCrawdad on Feb 24, 2010 10:44 AM CST up reply actions  

No, I'd say definitely.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Feb 24, 2010 10:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Most probably definitely

And those thousands and thousands of posts and more here about the Sox here? Good thing Cubbie fans ignore the Sox.

"In time you can turn these obsessions into careers...Hurry Down Doomsday the bugs are taking over." - Elvis Costello

by DrCrawdad on Feb 24, 2010 10:50 AM CST up reply actions  

I find great amusement

that DrCrawdad, a Sox fan, is posting on a Cub blog about posts regarding the Sox!

Has he appointed himself the BCB Hall Monitor?

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Feb 24, 2010 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Only for Sox posts.

Of which this wasn’t one. Until he showed up.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Feb 24, 2010 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Then I'm sure you'd agree with me...

… and you’d find great amusement in the thousands of posts hereat this Cubbie blog regarding the White Sox, especially when Al and others love to claim that the don’t pay attention any to the Sox and it’s only those lowly Sox fans who post about the other Chicago baseball team…

"In time you can turn these obsessions into careers...Hurry Down Doomsday the bugs are taking over." - Elvis Costello

by DrCrawdad on Feb 25, 2010 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Probably because he can't engage anyone

to talk about his team, you know with all that lip-diddling going on.

Just win the next game...!

by blackhawk24 on Feb 25, 2010 7:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Sorry, it would be "most definitely probably"

and not the other way round.


"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
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by eths on Feb 24, 2010 2:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I love you Crawdad

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Feb 24, 2010 10:31 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Hey, pay attention.

We’re picking on the Royals here.

"There's more to life than profits...like, you know, slurpees and stuff." ~Randy Marsh

by Goodie1969 on Feb 24, 2010 6:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank You BCB!

After a nasty, L-O-N-G day at work, I needed a good LMAO!!

"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie" -- Tony Montana

by calicubfan on Feb 23, 2010 10:47 PM CST reply actions  

Well, here are some things to consider about this story.

Yes, I assume this happened between innings. Minor league ballparks do this sort of thing as one of the planned between inning activities. Major league teams have borrowed a lot of marketing & entertainment ideas from the minors.

Hot dog cannons are designed to propel hot dogs or similar materials into the air with great force through the use of pressurized gas. Normally, the hot dogs are shot high into the stands in a long arc so as to dissipate the force. These machines are known to break down and malfunction- usually right when you need them to work correctly during the actual live activity. I’m guessing based on the description, that this may be the reason why the mascot began throwing the hot dogs into the stands by hand. Some teams use “slingshots”. Again, those too can propel materials into the stands with great force.

Some ballparks shoot redeemable coupons for concession stand hotdogs – instead of shooting the actual edible variety. This is done locally at our minor league park by attaching the coupon to a day-old FROZEN hotdog, all wrapped up tightly. If the person who got hit in the eye, got hit with a frozen hotdog (even if it was just thrown by hand), I can see how an injury could occur.

Mascots (at least at the minor league level) are often local teens or 20-somethings wearing hot, smelly costumes with poor visibility and poor hand dexterity. While an accident like this would seem unlikely when you first hear about it, it can happen.

And this isn’t a case of a volunteer who has signed a release form being injured. Fans who agree to participate in between inning activities like the “Dizzy Bat Race” or other similar staged events are required to sign release forms first to prevent teams from being sued if the volunteer got injured.

The fan in this case was (apparently) just sitting in their seat.

While the lawsuit may seem trivial and silly, I think teams (at least in the minors) will be watching what happens with this case.

"Look, what do you want me to do?"

by Zeke on Feb 24, 2010 6:05 AM CST reply actions  

This one wasnt shot from a cannon, however.

The mascot had put his gun down and was throwing by hand. Seriously, how can you throw a hotdog hard enough to detach a retina?

Forget that, how can you throw a hot dog in that mascot outfit hard enough to detach a retina?

Seriously, if that guy is capable of throwing a hotdog that hard in that costume, let’s get him a ST invite!

by bdlugz on Feb 24, 2010 10:13 AM CST up reply actions  

But is he lefthanded?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Feb 24, 2010 10:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Upon further review

It seems it was actually Jacque Jones – he was aiming for someone 25 rows back but spiked it into the guy sitting 2 rows in front of him.

by bdlugz on Feb 24, 2010 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Actually, speaking as someone who has early stage retinal detachment, you'd be surprised at how little force it takes to put a person at risk.

And if the guy has a family history and is genetically predisposed to the condition, that figures in too. So it’s not necessarily (or just) the force of the impact. And again, was it frozen?; stale and rock hard?; who knows? I’m sure the lawyers will play all that out in any settlement discussions.

"Look, what do you want me to do?"

by Zeke on Feb 24, 2010 10:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Knowing next to nothing about retinal issues, I certainly believe you

It just sounds like something that would require force, or extreme bad luck. I didn’t even realize it could be a genetic condition. Learn something new every day!

by bdlugz on Feb 24, 2010 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Zeke, are you extemely near sighted?

I’m wondering because I am and have been told that the risk of retinal detachment is much greater if you are extremely near sighted.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Feb 24, 2010 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

I was extremely nearsighted since I was 8. I had cataract surgery last spring because my vision (especially at night) was getting much worse.

So they did intra-ocular lens replacement. They lasered the cataract and sucked it out through a small incision in my cornea. Then they put in a corrective lens in the space where the old clouded lens was. (in each eye)

Now my vision in 20-10. And colors are true. White is white to my eyes as opposed to beige (which I never knew until I got the new lenses).

I still need glasses to read, but my distance vision is excellent. And yes, they told me as part of the surgery and being nearsighted my whole life, that retinal detachment is more likely for me. Only about 10% chance for me through vs. less than 1% for non-near sighted. I’ve had some laser treatments since then to treat “latticing” on my retinas, but so far, so good.

Now I can CLEARLY see my golf ball slice into the woods where before, I just had to listen for it to hit wood… ;)

"Look, what do you want me to do?"

by Zeke on Feb 24, 2010 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

I did some research

about it yesterday, and once it has started, no doubt it doesnt take much to finish the detatchment.

that being said, this fan who is suing, likely was in the starting stages for it to detatch from this incident. It was not a perfectly attached retina being jarred by the mascot.

a good friend of mine had BOTH detatch and it took over one yer for them to both be reattached and heal.

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by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 24, 2010 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Seriously, how can you throw a hotdog hard enough to detach a retina?

I kindly request your permission to use this in my sig line.

"There's more to life than profits...like, you know, slurpees and stuff." ~Randy Marsh

by Goodie1969 on Feb 24, 2010 6:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd like to try it sometimes

I cracked the side window of a friends car a couple weeks ago with a “snowball”.

Just win the next game...!

by blackhawk24 on Feb 25, 2010 7:50 AM CST up reply actions  

if the retina has started to detatch

it doesnt take much to finish the job, and this could have done so

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by Cubbie-Tim on Feb 25, 2010 8:35 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm sure that's true

but out of context this is one of the funniest things I have read in a while.

"There's more to life than profits...like, you know, slurpees and stuff." ~Randy Marsh

by Goodie1969 on Feb 25, 2010 8:47 AM CST up reply actions  

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