Starlin Castro Should Start The Year In The Minors
So says Rob Neyer in his "Sweet Spot" post this afternoon. I agree.
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I agree
Haven’t even read the article, but I agree.
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Al is now Al Yellon I see.
I agree too.
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i think we should all add Yellon to our names here
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ERICHANNA YELL ON
and so on
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Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Feb 24, 2010 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
lol.
Reminds me of the old Rowan & Martin’s Laugh-In running joke (yes, I’m showing my age- shut up).
The Farkles – A large suburban family whose kids ALL looked NOTHING like the dad but rather EXACTLY like the red headed, horn rim glasses wearing and freckled next door neighbor Ferd Berfel (think of a grown up Howdy Doody- and if you don’t know Rowan & Martin, well, Howdy Doody doesn’t stand a chance). It’s a visual joke.
Most of the sketch involved pipe smoking “Dad” Farkle (Dan Rowan) introducing his wife Jo Ann Farkle (Jo Ann Whorley) and his family and next door neighbor to someone. The kids names all rhymed with Farkle or were a play on words for “Farkle”.
Example: “Hi Bob. This is my wife Jo Ann Farkle and my next door neighbor Ferd Berfel. These are my kids: daughters Flicker Farkle, Sparkle Farkle and the twins Simon and Gar Farkel…etc., and after a dozen or so names eventually ending on the payoff of : … and HER!” (where yet another unnamed kid sitting cross-legged on the floor – usually Judy Carne – would look up at the visitor, pull their feet up and over their head while rolling around on the floor and shriek “HI”!)
It was all very nudge-nudge, wink-wink, pre-Deliverance kind of “hillbilly humor”…
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Yeah. I'm not sure why, but I don't like that.
SB Nation mandate? What gives?
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Not a mandate.
There is a reason. You’ll all find out soon.
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is there a way to change your sbn name?
For whatever reason when I’m on other blogs people seem offended by my name. I can’t imagine why…
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obviously they're upset because the only real meter is the Shawon-O-Meter
Trust me, back in ’02 I tried to start an EY (Eric Young) meter, and for some reason it got about as much play as EY himself…
If you really have a problem....
… email me. I may be able to help.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
It amuses me that “experts” that aren’t in camp and haven’t seen Castro play speak with such authority about where he should or shouldn’t be assigned.
I’m all for Jim and the on-field staff making these decisions and expect that if they err it will be on the conservative side.
Numbers may not lie, but they don’t tell the whole truth (and nothing but the truth), either. -- Doug Glanville
You don't think that
Tim Kurkjian’s opinions in February are the best indicator of what Hendry should do? Heresy, I say.
/sarcasm/
I don't want to put too fine a point on it...
But many of these “experts” have actually seen Castro play. It’s the majority of the fan base – many of whom have never even seen a Cubs farm team in person – that’s a bit out of the loop.
by Damen Jackson on Feb 24, 2010 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
Lets just see
what he does in the spring. Then come July he is playing extremely well at Iowa, then evaluate.
I agree with this.
Though he might be playing extremely well in AA.
I could see an extreme situation where the Cubs are forced to put Castro on the Opening Day roster (Theriot and Blanco injuries. etc.). But otherwise, I’ve come around to the idea of giving him more seasoning to start the year.
Or, we could promote and demote him through a couple hundred AB and flip him for David Weathers or somebody.
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Sure, it makes sense to make this decision
before a single game is even played.
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
As far as Castro to the majors goes
If he ain’t starting, he ain’t departing.
But this is completely in line with everything I’ve said. Castro should spend the season in the minors, mostly for TN.
And if he has a career like Garry Templeton, that’s a good career, although I think most of us would be disappointed. But we’d be really happy if we traded him for a hall of famer after getting the best five years out of him.
according to this article
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/02/cubs-will-start-castro-if-theriot-gets-injured.html
it seems like hell most likely start in iowa
by jesus christos on Feb 24, 2010 4:57 PM CST up reply actions
besides AA being lower than AAA ...
is there any reason Castro should start in AA, in your opinion? Just want to make sure I understand.
AA is really only lower than AAA in number of A's
AA is widely known as the prospect league, while AAA tends to be a lot more AAAA players and 29 year old Fox’s and Hoffpauirs!
It’s not at all uncommon for more players to be called up from AA for a team than AAA.
Because he only had
31 games in AA, on top of what bdlugz said.
Triple A has become a kind of taxi squad of guys who are good enough to play in the majors but not good enough to take someone’s job away from them. That leaves them kind of bitter sometimes and you don’t want your top prospects hanging around that. (To be fair, though, I don’t know specifically of any I-Cubs like that, and there’s Bobby Scales who’s always a positive role model.)
Castro coulld play in AAA and I don’t think it would hurt him. But unless he just massacres the Southern League (and he didn’t last year, he just held his own), I think AA competition would be good enough and there would be less pressure on him.
by Josh Timmers on Feb 25, 2010 2:19 AM CST up reply actions
AA pitchers are prospects, which helps in development
AAA pitchers tend to be more able to throw more changeups. Both are helpful in development.
You are better off seeing a few months (at least) of both. Hence, start in Tennessee, jump to Iowa in June/July. Stay there ’til September. Then start the arby clock.
Lets just hope
its not preceded by an obscene gesture.
There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.
by truelinkfence on Feb 24, 2010 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
All this hype has got to stop
Starlin Castro doesn’t need the weight of the world on his shoulders. For the love of God I wish idiot fans and members of the media would leave this kid alone. He’s ticketed for Double A…or in other words where he belongs and where he can, hopefully, continue his developmental progression.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Typical bombast.
However, I happen to agree with you. Double-A seems likely, possibly to Iowa by midseason if he’s doing well.
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fart on me nd call me smelly but i am pretty sure
if he doesnt open with us (75%) he will go to AAA to work with Sandberg…
4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42
Double A is the right place for Castro
The level of competition and pitching is better at Double A. Better than facing journeyman pitchers who overwhelm Triple A.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Putting the weight of the world on this kid is a mistake
Cub fans don’t know how to evaluate or react to quality positional prospects. This is the same sort of crap that surrounded Corey Patterson, Gary Scott, Scott Thompson.
Leave Starlin Castro alone. Let him develop without the weight of the Luvable Loser Society draped around his neck and the hopes of a fan base who has been starved for a good positional prospect since the arrival of Mark Grace 21 years ago.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Castro is not Thompson, Scott or Patterson.
Like you said, let him develop at his own pace. That might be faster than you care for. But if he’s good enough, he’ll pass up the levels he needs to pass up.
For now, I think this organization knows what to do with him.
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I think the best route for Castro is to start with the Cubs...
After a few weeks of hitting .200, we should send him to AAA. At this time, we should bounce him back and forth as often as possible, using every imaginable option. When he is out of options and only 19, we should declare him a bust and trade him to the Orioles and pick up ADAM LIND!!!!!!
Scot Thompson?
Good Lord, are we going back 30 years now? Boy, Scot (one T, buddy) certainly did wilt under the pressure coming from the 8000 fans sitting in Wrigley on a Tuesday afternoon in May. The silence from the crowd out looking for a beer vendor must have been deafening.
I’m old enough to remember Scot Thompson, but I certainly wasn’t reading Baseball America back then (since it didn’t exist). But I don’t remember any major hype about him or any other Cub prospect before he got called up to the majors. In fact, in the absence of BA, the MLB channel and fantasy baseball, there was very little hype about any prospect before they made the majors. Now once they got there it was a different story, and certainly guys like David Clyde and Mike Morgan got pushed by their organizations looking to sell some tickets to see the next phenom.
And looking at Thompson’s minor league stats, he was certainly a product of a high scoring environment, although he stopped drawing walks in the majors for some reason.
Oh, and Thompson’s best year in the majors was his rookie season, so I don’t know what he’s talking about. Did the pressure get to him after he finished third in ROY voting? (With one vote and an 82 OPS)
by Josh Timmers on Feb 25, 2010 2:36 AM CST up reply actions
Thompson was mishandled by Cubs management.
He was a fairly big guy (6-3), but only 195 — skinny. Nevertheless, the Cubs thought he should have been a power hitter and tried to change his hitting style.
He had decent plate discipline — rarely struck out — and could have been a Mark Grace style hitter if they had just left him alone. He had a pretty good year in 1984 as a bench player for the Giants. Look at his 1977 and 1978 Triple-A seasons for an idea of the kind of hitter he could have been (and remember, the 70s and 80s were a lower offense era).
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
To be fair, Castro is just the most recent in a LONG line of prospects.
The problem with the Cubs is that we are completely unable to develop positional players, any time that we get a whiff of one (Patterson, Pie, Castro), we jump wild with predictions and expectations. I personally agree with you, BLou, he needs at LEAST 1 more year in the minors.
Even after that, if we bring him up in Sept./2011, if he goes and bats .215 in April, let him learn. I’m tired of using players options, making bad trades, pushing these young kids to win the world series for us by themselves… This kid has a glove to stick in the majors, he has the speed, he has a little power, he has great contact rates and can take a walk. Everything says he’ll learn to at LEAST be a 1.5-2 WAR player in the majors, but… let’s let him learn.
Have we written off Geo already?
Some of the reason the Cubs were unable to develop position players was because of Andy MacPhail, who had a philosophy of concentrating on pitching in the minors and then trading the excess, because he figured that’s what the Atlanta Braves were doing in the 1990s. So some of that is because we just weren’t trying very hard.
That’s not to say that we haven’t had our share of busts in the minors. In fact, we might have had a few more than normal. But when you don’t sign a lot of good position player prospects, then if some of them don’t pan out, the cupboard is really bare.
by Josh Timmers on Feb 25, 2010 2:41 AM CST up reply actions
Geo wasn't discussed to no end like Patterson, Pie, etc
I’m certainly not writing him off, I think he’ll have a good 3rd year with us. I don’t personally think that Soto ever had to carry the weight the others did, but I could certainly be wrong.
Maybe not
but I ranked him as the #1 prospect in the system before his rookie year.
by Josh Timmers on Feb 25, 2010 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
Because...
… his minor league numbers were pretty mediocre until his PCL MVP season in 2007.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
The difference is...
… Castro is 19, and has played only two professional seasons.
Soto had six mediocre minor league seasons before his breakthrough 2007.
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or is the true difference
that BLou has not said Castro was on steroids like Soto, and once he decides to stamp Castro as such then he will be MLB ready
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No, BLou is absolutely correct
Pressure isn’t going to help this kid. And I’m not sure talking about him on a “cubs blog” is going to increase that pressure, but it’s got to start somewhere.
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by ChiCubsFever on Feb 25, 2010 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
Hard to see any reason why he should not start the season in AAA
He has not shown he is ready for the show, heck, he has not shown he is ready for AAA.
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by lookingdeadred on Feb 25, 2010 12:34 PM CST reply actions
Agreed.
There is zero need to rush him.
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by lookingdeadred on Feb 26, 2010 10:53 AM CST up reply actions



















