The Ricketts Family - What Does This Mean For The Cub Fan?
I'm not your usual doom and gloom guy when it comes to the Cubs. Yes, I worry like any other fan that I'll go my entire life and not see this team win a World Series. Aside from that I try my hardest to keep a positive outlook. My blood boils each time I see another written or verbal attack on Soriano by a Cub fan. I tense up whenever a fellow follower of the Northsiders makes a comment on an internet article about us needing to trade Derrek Lee, Carlos Zambrano, or any other player that has more potential to make us better than anything we'd get in return. I get behind our team and look for the silver lining even when things aren't going so well. So it's tough for me to ponder what I'm about to say. I am not pleased with the direction that the Ricketts family is leading the Wrigley Faithful.
Despite my young age of 30, I'm an old school guy when it comes to the Cubs and baseball in general. I liked going to the games with my Dad at Wrigley. As a kid, there wasn't anything to do at those games except watch and learn the game of baseball so that's what I did. It made me into the fan that I am today. Now, most people would call me a little extreme based upon looking at my office full of everything blue and red or the fact that I plan the majority of my vacation destinations each year to coincide with Cubs road games. But I am a fan...plain and simple.
I was relocated to Dallas by my employer about 9 years ago and have had the opportunity to attend many games at The Ballpark in Arlington. Trust me when I say it is nothing like a Wrigley Experience but then again, nothing is. My problem with ballparks like the home of the Rangers are all of the gimmicks and distractions away from the game. I've literally witnessed Ranger fans doing the wave while the other team was scoring because that's more important to them than the actual game, I guess. I don't have children and I guess if I did it would be easier to just send them off to the jungle gym or pitch machine or whatever distraction they've provided for "families" that take away from the actual game rather than having the patience to sit them down and teach them. But I don't want to be that way when I do decide to move back and have children because I want them to grow up to respect and appreciate the game as I did and not see the ballpark as some playground that they could only enjoy when they were little.
With all of the mentioning by the Ricketts that they're going to turn Wrigley into a more "Family Friendly" environment, my fear is that they're going to turn it into a large distraction away from the actual game. Sure, Wrigley is a natural distraction as you get taken away by the nostalgia. We've even been accused of not paying attention to the game. But how many other parks have their fans on their feet in the top of the 3rd inning because there's a runner at third and 2 strikes on the batter?
This theory, coupled with the announcement that I read today on ESPN Chicago about the new sky box club of 80 season ticket seats that are being sold for $24,300 each, has me up wondering; Is Wrigley going to turn into a place where only the wealthy families can afford to bring their spoiled rich children while Daddy entertains potential clients in the seats that his corporate office is paying for each game? Nobody else is going to be able to afford these annual costs aside from large organizations. True, 80 Seats is a drop in the bucket but it seems like it's just the start of the changes to come. Are the Ricketts Family, the same ones that are being touted as "real Cub fans," that much out of touch with the average income fan that they're going to cater to the corporations and wealthy families? Will the atmosphere go from a bunch of crazy fans drinking Old Style to a bunch of garlic fry and wine consumers while talking on their cell phones? Will it mean the death of the future die hard Cub fan?
*Note - I'm a frequent reader but not so much a frequent poster. If I didn't follow proper etiquette, please go easy on me as I'm not very educated on the posting process. I'm interested in hearing people's thoughts on the subject. Does anyone else think about this stuff or am I completely nuts?
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They've been at the wheel for four months!
So far, they’ve begun the process of getting a state-of-the-art ST facility, began significant improvements at Wrigley, and committed to maintaining a payroll that rivals the biggest spenders in baseball.
Not too bad, IMHO, seeing how not one pitch has been thrown.
"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie" -- Tony Montana
These "new" tickets aren't really new.
They’re just repackaged. The team has torn down some of the suites and have created a new area. So, instead of being required to rent a suite, you can just buy 2, 4 or 6 of these “new” tickets.
This actually opens up a new customer base for the Cubs. These are business people (and their clients) that potentially are future sponsors and business partners for the organization.
Hey, it's a new century!
Yeah I have to agree with the first two posters.
I’m not sure how to make the connection between 80 new seats in a sky box to batting cages and sausage races. I realize what you’re saying and that it’s a slippery slope, but all of the changes made a proposed have all been a step in the right direction if you ask me.
Can I ask how many games a year you go to?I used to think a lot like you, until I moved to Chicago and started going to a lot more games. Wrigley is in need of a lot of cosmetic changes and that’s all I think ricketts is doing at this point.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Feb 10, 2010 1:14 AM CST via mobile reply actions
4-5
I usually get up there about twice a year during baseball season as my entire family still resides in the area. I get to about 10 Cubs games a year through an annual trip down to Houston and to another random location that my Dad and I usually deem the annual “Big Boy Adventure.” Last year that happened to be San Diego. This year the Cubs are coming down here to Arlington so the entire family is coming down again. It won’t quite have the same atmosphere as 2007 without Sammy’s chase for 600. I got on TV multiple times with my sign that read "Our Sammy – 545 HRs / Your Sammy 12 HRs…Still Our Sammy.
I see what the first poster said about the upgrades to the areas that need improvement. But I simply don’t want the Wrigley Experience to turn into an over commercialized mess is pretty much what I’m trying to say.
"...but you the living, you're stuck here with the Cubs. So it is ME who feels sorry for you." - Steve Goodman, "A Dying Cub Fan's Last Request"
Well no one wants Wrigley to be turned into an over commercialized experience.
My point again is that I don’t see the connection between what the Ricketts are doing and how that translates to an over commercialized experience. Does improving the bathrooms mean sausage races? Does removing the concrete panels mean the kiss cam?
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
Was in Austin last year for work and drove to Arlington
I work for Dell and every August they host a mandatory “tech Summit” . Austin was spectaular—-Rudy’s Bar-B-Q—BoneDaddy’s and many more…we drove to Arlington on a friday afternoon and saw the Red Sawx play the rangers—Sawx tied it in the 9th—spectacular game—LOVED that ballpark. We didn’t get there in time to tour the new Jerry Jones monstrosity across the street. We got seats 7 rows off the field just south of the 3rd base dugout and all the people aroud us were totally into the game.
By family friendly at Wrigley—maybe it just means a little curbing of some of the rowdyism?
"He can compress the most words into the smallest idea of any man I know. " Abraham Lincoln
mmm BoneDaddy's
great eats IMHO. When in the area, ever hit Salt Lick? I think they are better than Rudy’s and it is BYOB as well.
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This is a rarity...
This same phenomenon occurs when the Cubs or Yankees come into town. Ranger fans get into the game because they hate the fact that the other team’s fans get into the game. I’ve witnessed it many times.
"...but you the living, you're stuck here with the Cubs. So it is ME who feels sorry for you." - Steve Goodman, "A Dying Cub Fan's Last Request"
hope we can grab a drink
since I live in AUstin and I venture to Houston for games as well, and will hit Arlington this year
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Absolutely!
We’re planning a huge tailgating party at Arlington. We’ll have to exchange info. I’m having my friends and family bring down Old Style for the series. They did it in 2007 and it turned out great!
"...but you the living, you're stuck here with the Cubs. So it is ME who feels sorry for you." - Steve Goodman, "A Dying Cub Fan's Last Request"
I have not had Old Style in...well a long time
my email is in my profile
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I'd look at Boston rather than Texas.
I believe someone in the Ricketts family already mentioned Boston as a model. In Boston, they have managed to increase revenue smartly yet still kept the basic Fenway experience. What they did there with things like Yawkey Way and the Green Monster seats was smart.
exactly.
it also helps keep mr at ease knowing that they were fans before owners, not owners without any understanding of the history, etc
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Agreed with everyone above.
The Ricketts are looking to explore many new revenue models. You can’t blame them for that, especially if you want the Cubs to be in the top echelon of team payrolls going forward.
I do think the Ricketts understand the Wrigley experience and don’t want to turn it into something most people can’t afford.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
But...
“Family Friendly?” What does that even mean for Wrigley? I notice that the person that is really driving this point is the mother of the Ricketts family. What does she have in mind?
"...but you the living, you're stuck here with the Cubs. So it is ME who feels sorry for you." - Steve Goodman, "A Dying Cub Fan's Last Request"
Maybe it means cracking down ...
… on the drunk idiot behavior that’s gotten all too common, especially in the bleachers. I’d be in favor of that.
Also, I would expect, when the Triangle Building is finished, some kid-friendly activities.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Feb 10, 2010 8:39 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Agreed
I gotta admit, since becoming a parent I’m hesitant to drop a few hundred dollars on a game for my family just to have to sit next to some drunk fat guy screaming White Sox Suck or hearing the bachelor party drunk behind my three year old describe his sexual exploits from the night before (yes, both of these have happened).
This can happen at any sporing venue.
Unfortunately.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Feb 10, 2010 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
Who knows what she has in mind?
Maybe shes a big fan of the temperance movement and wants to get rid of beer in the bleachers. Much to the dissapointment of Phillies outfielders.
But seriously, you have to understand that Wrigley needs to move forward, and it can that while still retaining the things you love about it. You don’t need to have 90+ years of rust and grime to make it a nostalgic experience. Imagine how nice it will be to have a historic park that is a gem inside and out. I understand your feeelings about it, but lets wait and see whats in store, I think we all will be impressed with the plans and results.
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
ticket prices
Is Wrigley going to turn into a place where only the wealthy families can afford to bring their spoiled rich children while Daddy entertains potential clients in the seats that his corporate office is paying for each game? Nobody else is going to be able to afford these annual costs aside from large organizations.
This link shows the average cost per ticket for the mlb teams in 2007 and 2008.
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2008/03/28/average_ticket_price_list/
Cubs ranks 2nd. Wrigley is already one of the most expensive places to see a ball game. Part of that cost is the (potentially) great team that has been put on the field hte last few years.
On the other hand the nostalgia is nice, but the structure needs serious upgrades. If skyboxes are part of that – fine. The other things the Ricketts have already done; as noted in this fanpost http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2010/2/9/1303068/wrigley-field-changes-detailed are on the right track.
"There are no curses here...Games are won and lost on the baseball field" - Lou Piniella
Right.
Everyone wants cheap tickets, but if you have that, you don’t have money for player payroll. Perhaps the costs can be kept (somewhat) down in the future IF the Cubs find new revenue sources, some of which have been announced recently.
If this means a Jumbotron, bring it on.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
So you're officially on board with a Jumbotron?
That is an area where I agree with the OP. I think that’s too slippery a slope. Other options are available to make additional revenue and I don’t think this is one that would be good for the Wrigley experience.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
I've been on board with one for a long time.
I think it could be done in a way to add to the park without making it a circus. They’ve got one at Fenway. If they can do it there, they can do it at Wrigley.
The only issue is where to put it, which probably means they can’t do it.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
dont diagree with you often Al but I do here
United we stand and united we'll fall......down on our knees when we win it all!
by Bricks and Ivy on Feb 10, 2010 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
I just don't want to see a jumbotron at wrigley thats all.
Wrigley is the best ballpark in the majors for a reason. I have to attend games at PNC Park other than my trips every summer to Wrigley and it is just a completely different atmosphere. I think the scoreboard has a lot to do with that. Cubs fans are much more “baseball smart” than Pirates fans because they have to pay attention to the game every second or they might miss something.
I realize all the revenue it could bring in and everything. I’m sure I’ll have people who agree with me and those who don’t but that’s just how I feel.
United we stand and united we'll fall......down on our knees when we win it all!
by Bricks and Ivy on Feb 10, 2010 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
I agree 100%
change the name, put in a ribbon thingy, I dont care, I do not like Jumbotrons…..I cant stop looking at them….its really distracting to me and it makes me crazy. I dont want to look out at beautiful green Wrigley Field and see tons of electricity glaring and blinking in my face. It says “Look at me” “Look at me”. NO
baseball.........is Kool Aid the remedy, or the cause of my desire for it
by cooliogirl47 on Feb 10, 2010 4:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
More than likely...
… there will be no Jumbotron, because there’s no place to put one. That’s fine, but I’d be OK with one.
A ribbon board would serve the purpose and be less obtrusive.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I'd feel better about a ribbon board, no jumbo tron though.
It dosen’t punish the people who go to drink and not watch the game when they miss an amazing play.
Most of the time they don’t show close calls anyways because it shows up the umps.
United we stand and united we'll fall......down on our knees when we win it all!
by Bricks and Ivy on Feb 10, 2010 4:31 PM CST up reply actions
joking a little
my main reason was i like wrigley how it is. it dosent need a jumbotron
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by Bricks and Ivy on Feb 10, 2010 5:11 PM CST up reply actions
I don't like Wrigley how it is. It needs some WS banners.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Feb 10, 2010 5:23 PM CST up reply actions
And nacho cheese fountains.
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by AndrewJStone on Feb 10, 2010 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
five different nachos
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next to Hawaiian Punch fountains
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by Bricks and Ivy on Feb 10, 2010 6:41 PM CST up reply actions
I believe there is already a place like that.
A couple actually
Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.
Actually screw the blackjack
And the hookers
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by Musicdude10 on Feb 11, 2010 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
FINALLY
Even though I would have gone in the “Actually, screen the blackjack . . . and the baseball” direction, I was hoping someone would pick up on the reference eventually.
Glad to do my part :O)

"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
other than those
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by Bricks and Ivy on Feb 10, 2010 5:30 PM CST up reply actions
I think a jumbotron is required in modern sports
One of the things I prefer about watching a game (all sports) on TV over being at the park is the replays and analysis provided. I want to see a close play a couple of times, I want to see Reed Johnson crash into the wall, I want to see Ramirez’s walkoff HR swing a couple of time. The tiny TVs under the grandstand don’t cut it. and I hate that close plays aren’t shown on those screens out of come sort of deference to the umps. .
Give us the replays, give us some more indepth stats. You can do these things without guess the cap games and pizza races.
"There are no curses here...Games are won and lost on the baseball field" - Lou Piniella
If you want to watch it on TV, watch it on TV.
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by katie casey on Feb 10, 2010 9:49 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Agreed - Different experience at Game vs. at Home
I enjoy watching the game at home and seeing the replays on TV. Flip channels between pitches, get a beer in seconds. It’s great for background as you do chores around the house. The bathroom line is shorter. Well, most of the time.
But at the game, I want to see it live and if I miss it, I ask the guy next to me.
I would like the Cubs to use the light board under the scoreboard as more of a ticker/scroller – more stats, etc.
"On offense, your most precious possessions are your 27 outs" - Earl Weaver
by RiskyBusiness on Feb 12, 2010 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed.
If they can’t figure out where to put a Jumbotron, I wouldn’t be opposed to a ribbon board on the upper deck facade.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
The other plus with the ribbon board or tron
It will help the casual Cubs fan know who all the players on the team are. We’re a hardcore group of fans on this page but not everyone at the park knows who Sam Fuld is or might have realized how well Randy Wells did last year (simply because his last name isn’t Zambrano, Lilly or Dempster). I think the tron will help.
Where will it go? My guess is the first rooftop that pisses off the Ricketts by not paying their license fee will be blocked.
but how many of us know
the 25th man on the Roylas who is PHing? That is where it comes in handy for even the best of us. There are also quite a few novice fans who enjoy the game and know little about Fuld that would benefit from it
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ACKKKK
No ribbon board … a jumbotrons an ok idea but ribbon boards are so absolutely mind blowingly irritating that its hard to put into words.
I went to Wrigley South (turner) in 07 and the one thing I came away with was how annoying the ribbon bars are. They pipe in music over the PA at deafing levels and the ribbon bar bounces up and down in unison. The horror the horror.
You can do ribbon boards without the music.
The one in Miller Park, for example, gives quite a bit of useful information.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Baseball Fever discussion
Looks like some people at Baseball Fever had this discussion. Also has a lot of photos of ribbon boards from various ballparks, miller, coors, etc.
You can't put a link like that in a subject line of a comment, if that's where you put it.
It has to go in the body of the comment.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Did you write a word first and select it before opening the link tool dialogue?
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no i didn’t write a word and select it first let me try that
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Ah success! Thanks for the help! I had been aggravated by that before but didn’t post thought it was just a temporary glitch.
If it's at Wrigley
I’m 100% any addition to Wrigley will be tasteful…
i am sure that any changes to WF
will be gone over a million times to assure it is tasteful and blends well
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You can do these things without guess the cap games and pizza races.
sorry, those would be part of bringing on a jumbotron, since there are sponsors who pay for that game.
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They already do those silly races on the little message board they have.
Sponsorships and advertising can be sold on a Jumbotron in many different ways.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Something to watch inbetween innings
I have no problem with them. Nice to get a free doughnut every once in a while
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
by Musicdude10 on Feb 10, 2010 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
In truth - I don't really care about them either
A small price to pay for a better means of delivering useful information to the fans
"There are no curses here...Games are won and lost on the baseball field" - Lou Piniella
ding ding ding
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I'd like to stick up for the corporate seats
because my husband is one of those that occasionally gets his hands on those kind of tickets and once in awhile takes me with :). This is one of the few job perks the guy has. Lately they’ve cut back on that A LOT. I think this new seating option offers some good possibilities for companies.
Just because they are owned by a business or corporation doesn’t mean everyone using those seats is some kind of cell phone using/ wine snob. It kind of bugs me when people assume that stereotype. Maybe some are, but as Mark Prior might put it…he’s just an employee. Well… I can be a wine snob sometimes, but at Wrigley I’m drinking Old Style.
"Fasten those seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
Just from a parents view
I think some of the changes to make things more “family friendly” will help make it easier for some Cubs fans to attend games. I know as a parent of a 9 and a 2 year old, it will help me.
Batting Practice and 9 innings of a game is a lot to ask of some little people. My wife and I being able to trade off every few innings to take the kids to a kids batting/pitching/playarea helps everybody.
The Iowa Cubs have this. Ballpark, team and game are great, and there are some things there for the kids. If done right, I don’t think it detracts from the experience at all.
Improved food, the Triangle Building brought to you by Pepsi, taking down the panels, etc. it all will help the cash flow, the experience, and keep Wrigley viable for another 100 years.
I am very satisfied with all of the actions the new owners have taken since day 1, now let’s go get that ring!
Good Guys Wear Blue
I dont have kids
but I can’t imagine taking a really little kid to a game at Wrigley. beyond the language issues just the idea of getting the kids to sit through a game sounds tough. I can’t imagine paying good money to see a game at Wrigley and then have to chase my kid around.
my brother and I have joked about what we do if either of us became parents. we came up with the idea of taking the little ones to minor league games first and making them prove they can sit through a game before taking them to wrigley.
If I have ever have kids as soon as they can write I’m gonna start working on teaching them how to keep score. that’ll keep them in the seat. :)
---AC 00 00 00 - Believe
Taking kids to minor league games
to start with is a fabulous idea. Most minor league teams do a great job at creating a family environment that is fun for eveyone, regardless if they have any interest in baseball.
I grew up in a minor league city and didn’t really have much of an interest in baseball as a kid. Going to a few games as a kid did make me realize baseball wasn’t boring, it was actually fun and laid the foundation for the interest that grew as I became an adult. Without minor league games, I would never have become an avid baseball fan and devoted Cub fan.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Feb 10, 2010 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
Not to mention that...
… minor league games cost a lot less.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
thats the big thing with me.
I don’t mind spending the money if they are into the game. I just wouldn’t wanna drop 50 bucks so the kid can have me chase them around the concourse all game
---AC 00 00 00 - Believe
took my 11 year old
to a game last year, and he scored the whole thing. Course, he’s a tween. But if you sit in the right place, even in the bleachers, you do ok.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Feb 10, 2010 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
I have been taking my daughter to games..
since she was only 10 months old. She is now 13. She has gone to 2-3 games/year since she was about 7 and she does not complain about being bored at Wrigley. SHe watches the game with me, we talk about whats going on, she has her fun (I remember a time in the bleachers where we got this stupid Ball Park Franks sign and she entertained herself the entire game with that). Maybe she is the exception, but she doesn’t need all the garbage at the other parks to keep her interested at the games…the actual game is enough.
See the Cubs 2010 schedule (now with game times) at http://cubsbythenumbers.com/sched2010.html
Also see what old Cubs Scorecards looked like at http://cubsbythenumbers.com/scorecards.html
times
are changing. Families are looking for a more rounded experience where they can get more bang for their buck. With how expensive a trip to Wrigley has become—the park needs more attractions
it's not like going to an amusement park
if your kids don’t like baseball, don’t take ’em.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Feb 10, 2010 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
agree
but a good chunk of fans are not attended sports events for the game but rather for a well rounded experience. I don’t agree with this at all but thats what the recent trend has been—and you can see it with the design of new stadiums
This is why Wrigley won't have an arcade and skee-ball inside the Park.
I think the Ricketts family understands this.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Feb 10, 2010 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
Wait, has skee-ball been definitively ruled out?
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by AndrewJStone on Feb 10, 2010 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
Inside the park? Yes.
But the master plan calls for 17 skee-ball lanes and an astro-jump in the triangle building.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Feb 10, 2010 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
and what about these?

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And i assume this was run by BLou?
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by AndrewJStone on Feb 10, 2010 5:40 PM CST up reply actions
I think I can safely agree
that there are not many kids like Max out there, no. My wife agrees too. :P
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Feb 10, 2010 9:04 PM CST up reply actions
Unfortunately,
I agree. My daughter was not brought up with video games to keep her busy every minute of every day (we didn’t get a video game system in our house until Christmas 2008). She doesn’t need the “stimulation” of constant motion that it seems a lot of kids (and adults) these days need to be entertained. Watching the game and enjoying that is good for her. I understand that is not enough for most of todays generation. Today kids need their phones to constantly text people, they need their visual candy to keep them entertained. They can’t just sit down and watch & enjoy something, they have to be constantly on the move doing something. It is these people who will be the fans in the future and teams, whether I like it or not, have to adapt to these people if they want to keep bringing them into the park.
See the Cubs 2010 schedule (now with game times) at http://cubsbythenumbers.com/sched2010.html
Also see what old Cubs Scorecards looked like at http://cubsbythenumbers.com/scorecards.html
camping
the best thing we did was bring our daughter up camping. no electronics and almost every waking minute is outside. so she isnt like that either. she brought up a friend once, and all the kids started playing tag, well this little girl didnt know how to play it, never heard of it.
baseball.........is Kool Aid the remedy, or the cause of my desire for it
by cooliogirl47 on Feb 11, 2010 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
Miller Park is great family friendly
And when I was there the fans were into the game too! The kids had a blast in the funzone.
I’m all for anytime you can make a park family friendly. We’re heading in that direction with this economy. It’s all about whats the best value for your family.
What have they done that's so egregious?
A lot of people have already said this, but what’s to get upset about?
As far as the crowd standing, I quite frankly could do without the crowd standing in the third inning. Some of that gets out of hand.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Feb 10, 2010 10:40 AM CST reply actions
Should they give fans seatbelts?
I think that there is nothing wrong with the entire crowd standing during an important moment. I don’t see how it can get out of hand if everyone is standing at once…not just a person in front of you but the whole stadium.
"...but you the living, you're stuck here with the Cubs. So it is ME who feels sorry for you." - Steve Goodman, "A Dying Cub Fan's Last Request"
That's my point
during an important moment
It is overdone to the point of being contrived. The third inning is rarely the time for a key point in the game.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Feb 10, 2010 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
I always felt like
that was disrespectful to the older fans who might have knee or hip troubles, and it might be difficult for them to get up and down very fast.
At the most important moments, they’re staring at the back end of a Zambrano road jersey on a decidedly un-athletic body instead of the game.
"Only a mediocre person is always at his best." ~W. Somerset Maugham
I'd stand the whole game if i could.
This is why if i can’t get the first row of bleachers, i head to the last. I loved in college when the student section didn’t take their seats till halftime.
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by AndrewJStone on Feb 11, 2010 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
To each his own - but those who think that it emphasizes an important moment
And then does it all the time is like people who have Christmas decorations up from November through March.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Feb 11, 2010 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
have you been
looking in my windows again? I thought the restraining order was QUITE CLEAR, Mr. Mambo Chicken!
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Feb 11, 2010 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
Bleep you, Mambochicken!
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Feb 11, 2010 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
I think that as long as you can still get upper deck seats
for under $20, you’re not going to see the place over-commercialized, or only for the rich.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
The Wrigley Experience
From reading the posts on here, I’m starting to get the feeling that a lot of people are very open to Wrigley being changed and would much rather be in a park like Miller Park with plush seats, jumbo-distrac-trons, and ribbon signs that tell the crowd when to “Make Some Noise.”
I love Wrigley and have always loved Wrigley for its simplicity. It’s all about the game of baseball, sunshine, and cheering for your team. I guess I’m a part of the minority that thinks a baseball game should be entertaining enough without a circus.
"...but you the living, you're stuck here with the Cubs. So it is ME who feels sorry for you." - Steve Goodman, "A Dying Cub Fan's Last Request"
I love Miller Park
I think it has a nice look and good functionality. Its easy to navigate and has ample room for people to move around. Good concessions too.
Just because they have a jumbotron and do some of the “make some noise” gimmicks doesn’t make the game any less enjoyable. The fact is, some people like that stuff. If you don’t, then don’t participate.
The fans in Milwaukee I’ve encountered knew the game and were into it on their own.
and the seats I’ve had have been everybit the hard plastic they have at Wrigley.
"There are no curses here...Games are won and lost on the baseball field" - Lou Piniella
There is, I think..
… a middle ground that can be reached between a distract-a-minute stadium like Chase Field (ugh), and those who feel that Wrigley should never-ever-ever-ever-ever-be-changed-not-one-iota-or-I’ll never-go-back-ever. Not saying you’re one of those, but I have friends who still refuse to go to night games. You see the problem.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Is that Hart in right?
And wow. Great photo.
Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.
by Ryno Runner on Feb 10, 2010 10:11 PM CST up reply actions
thanks for the new wallpaper
United we stand and united we'll fall......down on our knees when we win it all!
by Bricks and Ivy on Feb 11, 2010 5:29 PM CST up reply actions
Hey just so you guys know I do not deserve the credit for this.
I didn’t take that photo. I just found it on a search.
"Fasten those seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
Did u just type in Wrigley Field, or what?
‘Cuz that’s a great photo.
Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.
Just tried it and found, among others,
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ynoti/1270917125/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/78516886@N00/2782436737
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8949476@N03/1263606000
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
@Twitter as @brommmietze
The comment under that last one
about it being fillting that the moon looked like a cheeseball when they played the Brewers made me smile.
"Fasten those seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
agree
on a middle ground. The Rickets, thus far, seem to have that idea as well. When it comes down to it im in favor of any changes that will:
1) help us win
-proper player facilities
-advertising to increase revenue as long as it is spent on player development, salaries or scouting.
2) a more enjoyable BASEBALL experience
-electronic scoreboard and/or ribbon
-parking
-access to restrooms
-…
People refuse to go to night games at Wrigley
Are truly missing a magical experience. Their loss.
Their loss? The Cubs don't lose every night game, and when they do I don't consider it "magical".
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Feb 10, 2010 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
I've had a great time win or loss every game at Wrigley
Sometimes you have to recognize how lucky you are to be at a ballpark with your favorite team. Some of us don’t live near Wrigley and don’t get the luxury of going any week they can.
Right, but...
… refusing to go to a night game on some outdated “principle” seems self-defeating. If you are a Cubs or baseball fan, and there is a game being played at night that you COULD attend, why not go?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
You both missed the humor.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Feb 10, 2010 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't miss it.
Chose to make a point instead.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I'm with you.
Not sure if it’s the minority opinion or not.
So far I’m not too worried about the changes Ricketts is making. They seem to be good and reasonable improvements. It is early though. I admit I don’t like change, so we will have to just wait and see.
"Fasten those seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
As long as they don't put a pool/hot tub/sting ray tank in
I’m okay with some cosmetic changes. I don’t think, at least as of yet, that they’re doing anything dramatic enough to make a hugely noticeable difference in the experience. It’s not like they’re changing the marquee or anything. The park is approaching 100 years old so obviously there need to be some nips and tucks here and there.
Hopefully they’ve heard Eddie Vedder’s words and keep those in mind as they make the changes.
"That's the beauty of baseball. You never know what's going to happen until you get that final out." –Lou Piniella
by cubbiebluekdawg on Feb 10, 2010 7:46 PM CST reply actions
if it means a dynasty of WS wins
I will help them construct the pool/hot tub/sting ray tank, and whatever else they want. hell how about various bear exhibits around the OF for kids to feel like its a zoo. i am not joking, i want to win and dont care what they have to do for it to happen
Wait for it....POUND SAND Without me this board is Al Yellon talking to himself.....................by BLou
LOL
I will not deny that as long as improvements can cause-effect a WS win, I am all for them. And I imagine that a delay of game due to an escaped bear/tiger/lion (OH MY!) would be more entertaining than a delay of game for bees or squirrels or cats.
"That's the beauty of baseball. You never know what's going to happen until you get that final out." –Lou Piniella
by cubbiebluekdawg on Feb 10, 2010 8:06 PM CST up reply actions
glad u understood i was saying i want to win, not trying to bash your post
too much of that happens.
Wait for it....POUND SAND Without me this board is Al Yellon talking to himself.....................by BLou
what they should put in is a Marlin tank
a Marlin tank with lots of fishing poles.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Feb 10, 2010 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
Spears shaped like Luis Castillo's bat.
Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.
by Ryno Runner on Feb 10, 2010 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
and lots of grizzly bears.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Feb 11, 2010 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
I kind of disagree there...
Yes, I want the Cubs to win at almost all costs. Some of those “at all costs items” could include, if they helped us win the trophy:
-Hiring Ozzie Guillen as the Public Address Announcer
-Allowing Hawk Harrelson to stand outside of the bathrooms and yell “He Gone” after every fan exits
-Bringing in Joe Buck to give pre-game pep talks to the Cubs players
-Having streaming audio of Joe Morgan telling the fans of how he would have done it better than Ryne Sandberg after every play
-Giving Ronnie “Woo Woo” Wickers the position of manager
But in the end, I still want the Cubs to be the Cubs I’ve always known. Players come and players go but the one thing about this organization that has remained constant is Wrigley Field. Sure, it would be great to see the Cubs win a World Series at “all costs”, however, I couldn’t imagine the bittersweet feeling I would have if they won it and everything at Wrigley or everything within the organization had changed.
I’m going to get blasted on that and get labeled as the typical Cub fan that doesn’t care about winning. That’s simply not true. I just want to win it as The Chicago Cubs and not the Chicago Cubs brought to you by Acme Brick Company.
To make my point, I quote the great Peter Griffin – "it turns out I’m as useless as that nude Playboy spread of Debbie Gibson. It’s like, “Yeah, she’s naked, but who gives a s**t?” Would he have said the same thing if it was the spread was Debbie Gibson Circa 1988? I think not!
"...but you the living, you're stuck here with the Cubs. So it is ME who feels sorry for you." - Steve Goodman, "A Dying Cub Fan's Last Request"
Would naming rights like that really matter?
It’s still your team, still baseball, and still the same place you’ve gone to games for years.
That’s how I see it, anyway.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
That Was Just an Example...
I didn’t want to speculate on other changes. A name change is the least of the issues.
"...but you the living, you're stuck here with the Cubs. So it is ME who feels sorry for you." - Steve Goodman, "A Dying Cub Fan's Last Request"
No, I understand that.
I just think that many of the changes that people get worked up about are, in the grand scheme of things, pretty minor.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
minor and silly to get worked up over
Wait for it....POUND SAND Without me this board is Al Yellon talking to himself.....................by BLou
I wouldn't stop going to games or anything
but changing the name of Wrigley field FEELS wrong.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Feb 11, 2010 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
I would buy their gum exclusively if Wrigley bought the rights!
baseball.........is Kool Aid the remedy, or the cause of my desire for it
by cooliogirl47 on Feb 11, 2010 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
bought the rights to how Drews feels?
Wait for it....POUND SAND Without me this board is Al Yellon talking to himself.....................by BLou
Tell your feelings to shut up.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Feb 11, 2010 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
you make the baby feelings cry.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Feb 11, 2010 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
Not a good idea,
it’ll just cost you a bundle in therapy.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Feb 11, 2010 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
If the changes are minor...
But adding a jumbo tron to a ballpark that is touted as throwback park IS a major change. I’m not saying that it’s going to happen but let’s not minimalize it if it does.
"...but you the living, you're stuck here with the Cubs. So it is ME who feels sorry for you." - Steve Goodman, "A Dying Cub Fan's Last Request"
Al
IIRC there several articles on this website when the Bud Light Bleachers came about written by you that were quite harsh about loud music piped through the PA and how you weren’t deaf and how it was over the top.
I also happen to be reading Living the Dream and just finished the part where you commented the White Sox opening with fireworks and lights on the scoreboard pinwheels being “overkill”.
Have you changed positions or do you really think the Cubs will put a jumbotron and ribbon board that don’t have glitz and glam? Or are you just facing the fact that its inevitable. I guess that’s why I don’t want some of these options is that i see them coming with music and loud games, etc
PS not trying to call you out just trying to clarify these two points which seem to be at odds with your other postion
I understand exactly what you're saying.
If they did a Jumbotron and ribbon board and did the loud noise and glitz, I’d be against that. I think these things could be done without that.
If the Cubs do decide to go that way, I think they’ll do it the right way — without too much blaring noise and the “kiss cam”.
You raise valid points.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I don't see it..
With what we’ve already seen with the direction that they’ve gone to (Captain Morgan’s Club, Pricey Ice Skating Rink, etc.) I highly doubt that the Cubs would do it “the right way” and would go straight for the over the top. That’s just my opinion.
"...but you the living, you're stuck here with the Cubs. So it is ME who feels sorry for you." - Steve Goodman, "A Dying Cub Fan's Last Request"
i hope tasteful and more money to the club can be accomplished!
Found this photo of the ballpark, early 70’s?

Thanks for posting the link.
Believe it or not, it’s not from the early 70’s, despite the early 70’s cars in the shot. The only year in that era that matches the games listed on the marquee is 1981.
Cubs schedule & scores list from 1981
The 1981 Cubs were awful. They lost two of those three games and after that series had a record of 6-27. That black paint on the outside is really ugly, too.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
dont know
about the ricketts family yet. they definitley are not going to start throwing money around for players. i believe they will want to build a team with homegrown players. expect to get younger in the next few years. follow the red sox formula and just maybe.
So far...
…Ricketts has shown he is going to run this like a business, as opposed to a “win at any cost” type of approach which is what I expected from him.
Raising ticket prices right out of the chute (after a dissappointing year) was a bold move in my opinion as well as charging over face value on the pre-purchase program.
IMO, it is only a matter of time before you see naming rights and PSL’s for some of the seats at Wrigley.
As I have always stated, my concern with the Ricketts ownership is in regards to who will be evaluating the baseball operations (Hendry and his staff) and their performance? If it is Kenney, that is a mistake and if it is Ricketts himself, that is also a mistake. You run the same risk as what the Bears have (an accountant evaluating whether Angelo is moving the team in the right direction).
With the Blackhawks, McDonough hired one of the best hockey minds as a consultant to help him with these evaluations, and I strongly feel Ricketts needs to have this similar luxury to rely one to make good decisions.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

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