Jim Hendry Fires Back
I hate to keep bringing up Milton Bradley, but when Bradley ripped the Cubs in an ESPN interview, I think it's necessary to hear the Cubs' perspective. Hendry just couldn't bite his tongue any longer after Bradley's most recent "ripping" of the Cubs.
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'Bout time
He’s trashed our city and team enough…its time we stuck up for ourselves, in the media.
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
about time
I just about came unglued when I heard MB say he believed it was possible some of the hate mail came from within the organization. I really wish the media would just stop taking to and about this guy. Luckily, he is now playing in SEA so most of us will never see him play
Except, of course, when the Cubs play the Mariners in Seattle this year.
I have to believe the Mariners will hold him out of the one spring training game (3/28) the two teams play. If he shows up, that could turn into a circus, between the Chicago reporters who will be there and the crowd, likely to be 30-40% Cubs fans.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
unless he gets injured
and misses the series, which I could see happening. kinda like when Harvey Grant was scheduled to play the Bulls and Horace would get a tweak and miss a game
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The mail "had no postage"
The official line is that it could have been dropped off at Wrigley by anyone.
But then, don’t members of Congress get to send mail without postage?
Just sayin’….
I still think they have to put a stamp on it, they just don't pay for it.
Though it would be hilarious if Nancy Pelosi was the one behind it.
by jerry morales rules on Mar 10, 2010 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
Of Course
But when MB was asked does he believe the mail came from within the organization, he never denied that it was possible. He left the gate open for one to presume he believes the un-post marked mail came from within.
The thing is too about the mail....
The Cubs have fans all over the place those letters had no postmark,or return addresses, so who knows where they came from. just sayin’
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 11, 2010 7:46 AM CST up reply actions
More than likely, they were envelopes dropped off at the Cubs administrative offices.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Then why didn't he just say that
he believed the mail was dropped off, instead of goading the idea it came from within the organization. Bradley is such a prick. He adds fuel to the fire.
Why didn't he say that?
Well, that wouldn’t have fit in with his worldview, would it?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
then again, maybe he didn't know that people can drop off mail at the Cubs offices
Seems to me, it was the interviewer adding fuel to the fire with the implication.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
i got a MB Cubs jersey
you want to see if he would sign it?
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Take mine.
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by Ryno Runner on Mar 10, 2010 10:26 PM CST up reply actions
Yes this one......
:P
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
The thing I don't want
is for Bradley’s comments to make potential free agents not want to play here. So I’m glad Hendry responded in a timely matter.
Would be good to hear from Derrek Lee, Soriano, and Aramis Ramirez too.
2010 is OUR year.
honestly, I think other players know the dude is nuts
so if any of them are making their FA decisions based on Milton’s experience, they’d find themselves with a very short list of teams to play for.
by Orval Overall on Mar 10, 2010 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
i'm pretty sure
Lee has suggested that it is a mild issue and cited the abuse of Jacque Jones and LaTroy Hawkins
I’m a Cubs fan who has never lived in Chicago so I don’t pretend to know what its like, but MB isn’t the first to make claims like this.
Just because he fails to accept responsibility for any part of his actions doesn’t mean he’s 100% wrong and if the fan-base is viewing it that way it seems hypocritical.
Given that MB isn’t the only one who has raised the race issue I think the fanbase needs to take some responsibility on itself as well.
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Mar 10, 2010 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
No!
I am not responsible for actions of other Chicago Cubs fans!
There is no “fan-base”, like a secret hideout that everyone meets and makes devious plans. Although the this location would be a fun fan-base.
We’re not voting, issuing an edict, or marching to protest bad fan behavior. No group hug on this.
You’re an individual and you’re responsible for your actions. If you are a racist, you are a racist and it has nothing to do with what team you root for.
"On offense, your most precious possessions are your 27 outs" - Earl Weaver
by RiskyBusiness on Mar 10, 2010 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
agree and disagree
i agree that you’re responsible for your own actions and i agree that racists come in all shapes, sizes, different locations, etc
but i don’t dismiss the idea that racism can be bred by certain environments or groups.
If there’s a group of 100 and 1 person within the group is a racist and using a player’s poor performance as an excuse to express their racism, that behavior is either going to be fostered or rejected.
If the behavior is being fostered in the stands, then the collective group is providing an environment that can be prone to that type of behavior.
Similarly if we just label everything MB says as BS and ignore potential real concerns/frustrations that other players have made clear before, we’re continuing to promote the idea that its all the players faults and not any Cubs fans fault.
Personally, i think that’s a great way of ignoring a potential real issue and something Cubs fans have done time and time again when its been brought up in the past.
I’m 100% responsible for my actions and I don’t consider myself a racist by any means, but at the same time I’m not going to ignore a concern that has now been aired by a number of former Cubs players and wonder if there’s something I can do about it.
Former players have tried to raise awareness through the media, but the media and the Cubs and the fans have largely painted it as “sour grapes” from a player who didn’t work out with the team. While we all may not view it as a real issue, as the original poster in this thread noted, it should be a concern if its perceived this way by other players who may not want to play here, and perhaps by acknowledging the potential for the problem (and then taking it a step further and trying to act to prevent it in the stands), we can make a small difference in that perception (rather than just ignoring it)
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Mar 10, 2010 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
The problem is...
… that although I’m sure there were racist remarks — and those should always be condemned — I doubt they represented the overwhelming majority of Bradley critics, most of whom were criticizing him for his lack of production, time missed for various injuries (some of which appeared to be invented), and his bashing of the fans, media and the Cubs organization.
The bottom line is that this individual has consistently blamed everyone else for his problems, rather than look in the mirror.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
i agree
that the remarks don’t represent the majority but if alongside those remarks people hop in with comments about his production, the racist remarks have just been accepted by the group as a jumping off point; thus the group is approving the behavior (which is the issue i’m trying to get at)
I also agree that the individual accepts no responsibility and has never accepted responsibility in his career. But that doesn’t mean his experiences weren’t legitimate and don’t deserve legitimate attention/discussion
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Mar 10, 2010 6:55 PM CST up reply actions
Moving from the General to the Specific
If the behavior is being fostered in the stands, then the collective group is providing an environment that can be prone to that type of behavior.
The problem is, those are big stands. 40,000 people and most of them are talking at the same time.
At Wrigley Field, I can not remember a racist comment. I sit in the right field terrace reserve seats. I don’t know what the Bleachers are like lately. I hear cheers from the Bleachers, but I haven’t heard any racist taunts. And when I did sit in the Bleachers, I don’t recall hearing anything then either.
And what are you going to do if you hear a racist sitting a few rows up from you in the Bleachers?
"On offense, your most precious possessions are your 27 outs" - Earl Weaver
by RiskyBusiness on Mar 10, 2010 4:46 PM CST up reply actions
i get that point might not be convenient
to deal with
i still don’t think that is enough reason to ignore the problem
If you hear someone making obvious racially infused comments why not shout out something to tell the guy to keep it to what’s happening on the field or something like that. Then you could see what kind of reaction the group is reinforcing if they get on you or get on him for the behavior
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Mar 10, 2010 6:59 PM CST up reply actions
You just need to know what you might be getting into
It’s sad to say, but people drink alcohol. And then they say things that they feel/think, but might not otherwise say in public. And they also feel emboldened. And the might want to get in a fight.
Another way is to alert security. Last year the Cubs provided a Fan Behavior Text Message service to our season ticket holders. One of the examples they used was “CUBS FAN USING INAPPRORIATE LANGUAGE IN AISLE 425 ROW 7”.
So I do think the Cubs take this seriously.
On another note – I never meant to imply at all that you specifically were racist. When I said “You’re an individual and you’re responsible for your actions. If you are a racist, you are a racist and it has nothing to do with what team you root for.”, I meant individuals, not you specifically. Sorry about that
"On offense, your most precious possessions are your 27 outs" - Earl Weaver
by RiskyBusiness on Mar 10, 2010 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
i never took it that way
no worries
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Mar 10, 2010 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
It should be noted that i sit in the bleachers about half the time...
… (of nearly 40 games last year in total, for example), and i can indeed attest to hearing racist, as well as homophobic, sexist and all other manner of insensitive remark directed at both opposing player and fan alike.
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by AndrewJStone on Mar 10, 2010 7:33 PM CST up reply actions
wow if anyone else wrote this I would think that was an exageration...
this really has taken me aback….I am speechless for the second time today…quite a feat. I really have to say I have never gone from one way of thinking to another, or have gotten so confused so fast in all my life since I’ve come to BCB. And to that I say Bravo everybody….you are quite a diverse and honest group. And for the most most most part very reasonable and understanding of all things.
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 10, 2010 7:44 PM CST up reply actions
sadly it does not surprise me
as it happens with every fanbase, for every sport. doesnt make it right, just true
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So what could we do about that?
Unfortunately, I think the Bleacher mystique has shifted to an almost Las Vegas/Mardi Gras atmosphere. And that “best party in town” always bring some bad people to it.
So if we wanted to take some action to stop this, what could we do? Given this community, BCB, the logical action would be to start a petition and submit it to the Cubs. The ask would be to increase security and develop additional techniques to remove unruly fans.
What do you guys and gals think?
"On offense, your most precious possessions are your 27 outs" - Earl Weaver
by RiskyBusiness on Mar 10, 2010 8:11 PM CST up reply actions
I've been calling for that for a long time.
I will continue to do so. It would be a welcome change.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
i too would sign it
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me too
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 10, 2010 8:22 PM CST up reply actions
I'd sign it.
Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.
by Ryno Runner on Mar 10, 2010 10:28 PM CST up reply actions
That's a quorum. I'll start working something up
"On offense, your most precious possessions are your 27 outs" - Earl Weaver
by RiskyBusiness on Mar 10, 2010 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
Petitions my ass
How bout people start manning up and telling idiots who make insensitive comments to shut the hell up?
Brad Miller is god.
Because I'd be afraid that if someone is idiot enough to make insensitive comments
that they’d be idiot enough to beat the crap out of me.
"Chicago Cubs baseball is on the air."-Pat Hughes
Yes or make the game uncomfortable for you
We’re talking about attending a Cubs game at Wrigley Field. I pay money to attend that game and I want to have a good time. I don’t want to have a confrontation or get in a fight. I want to enjoy the game.
There are employees of the Cubs who get paid to handle these situations. Make them do their job.
"On offense, your most precious possessions are your 27 outs" - Earl Weaver
by RiskyBusiness on Mar 11, 2010 9:08 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
So you're excuse is cowardice.
People like you with no courage are the reason why racism still exists in the world. By not responding, you send the message that you don’t care if people make insensitive comments. When nobody says anything, it gives the impression that nobody cares if people make insensitive comments. This same type of “it’s not my problem” mindset is what allowed the holocaust to happen.
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Mar 11, 2010 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
That's a bit harsh, Poloplaya14
Have you been to a Cubs game before in the bleachers? Have you seen some of the frat boy types that get drunk by the 2nd inning? And they’re usually not drinking alone…
Now based on user name, I presume katie casey to be female. And perhaps she’s an itty-bitty female. Sorry, but one itty-bitty female going up against a bunch of drunk frat-boys is usually not a good move.
But I sincerely hope you’ll be out there in the bleachers “manning” up at as many games as you can this coming season. Be sure to report back here on your success.
And i’magonna just ignore your holocaust reference…
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by ballhawk on Mar 11, 2010 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 10 recs
Rec'd
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by Shanghai Badger on Mar 11, 2010 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
Oh and you are right about my name.
Maybe not so itty bitty, but certainly in no shape to take on a bunch of drunk guys.
"Chicago Cubs baseball is on the air."-Pat Hughes
While i agree Poloplaya was harsh...
… turning around and telling somebody to shut up is indeed sometimes the best option. A lot of the behavior we don’t appreciate is simply drunk folk letting their tounge get away from them… shame them in front of a few people and they’ll probably start thinking a bit harder about their words.
And if they are too far gone to appreciate the request, chances are security needs to have a chat with them anyways.
Oh… and knock it off with the frat boy generalizations! :-)
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by AndrewJStone on Mar 11, 2010 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
ok Andrew....I'm gonna sit right next to you and start yelling back and forth at some
drunken idiot and when he starts throwing beers or verbally abusing me with a bunch of his drunken buddies, you step in and protect me. all right? :)
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 11, 2010 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
I'd recommend you get the Taser App for your iPhone
There’s an app for that. ;)
"On offense, your most precious possessions are your 27 outs" - Earl Weaver
by RiskyBusiness on Mar 11, 2010 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
I, for one, will be right behind Andrew the whole way.
by dat cubfan daver on Mar 11, 2010 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
All right guys...
… if you hear frantic shrieking at any time this season…
DAVER! COOLIOGIRL! HELP! HEEEEEEEEELP!
… you better get there darn quick!
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by AndrewJStone on Mar 11, 2010 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
Just tweet me.
I’ll don my Cubbie Blue cape and fly on over.
by dat cubfan daver on Mar 11, 2010 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
LOL...you guys are funny :D
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 11, 2010 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
Drunk frat-boys are a lot less willing to get into a fight than you guys think
In fact, most people are. They might threaten to pull some crap, but 95% of the time, their threats are empty. As for the other 5% of the time, that’s what security’s for.
Brad Miller is god.
Security at WF is not attentive or responsive
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Mar 11, 2010 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
And as for the holocaust reference, sorry but I still think the analogy is apt
Obviously the scale is off, but it’s the same psychological mindset: “as long as they’re not saying anything bad about me, the situation doesn’t concern me.” It’s a lot easier to do nothing than to do something.
Brad Miller is god.
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I agree with katie too...
I’ve been to games where these people really scare me. I’m sure reporting them is equal to responding directly to them, if not a better solution.
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 11, 2010 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
OK-sorry you feel that way about me.
You seemed to be asking why people don’t start manning up. So I gave you my reason why I wouldn’t. I would probably say something to security and have them deal with it. But even then I don’t know for sure what I’d do because I’ve never heard anything or been in that type of situation before. I might be scared that if they got kicked out they would be waiting for me after the game. I just don’t know. You may think I’m a coward and you may be right. However, I would be thinking about protecting myself and my family first and formost, not about trying to rid the world of social injustice.
"Chicago Cubs baseball is on the air."-Pat Hughes
If you don't feel comfortable saying something, don't.
Poloplaya isn’t being realistic here. Yeah, in a perfect world we’d all have the fortitude and confidence to fight wrong with right. The world isn’t perfect, and sometimes you gotta ignore / tattle / move.
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by AndrewJStone on Mar 11, 2010 2:08 PM CST up reply actions
thanks
Hopefully the situation will never arise and I will not have to find out what I will do.
"Chicago Cubs baseball is on the air."-Pat Hughes
I see your point of view
But if everybody responded in the same manner to the scum in question, there’d be no reason for anybody to get scared.
Brad Miller is god.
Is the Internet fun or what!?!
I am amazed at how people on the Internet push around words like cowardice, courage, and “man-up”.
I have no idea of who you are or what your background/experience is. I have no basis to view your statements from. Why would I or anyone else here give any credence to your insulting rhetoric?
So what is your Man-Up resume?
"On offense, your most precious possessions are your 27 outs" - Earl Weaver
by RiskyBusiness on Mar 11, 2010 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
It doesn't matter what the hell my resume is
The point is what I’m advocating is how people should respond to racist scumbags.
Brad Miller is god.
Sorry, that doesn't fly
I’m not here to have faceless individuals advocate/berate people into actions that they do not think are appropriate.
I don’t have any respect for people who lightly throw out words like courage and cowardice, when they probably do not know the meaning of either word in a personal sense.
"On offense, your most precious possessions are your 27 outs" - Earl Weaver
by RiskyBusiness on Mar 11, 2010 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
You have no idea who I am, so don't judge me
I have no idea who you are, so I’m not gonna judge you. I’m not here to attack anybody personally, but I will attack the concept that sitting back and doing nothing is okay. If you think telling people who are clearly in the wrong to stop doing what they’re doing is not an appropriate action, you are simply wrong.
Brad Miller is god.
But that's what you've done - attack people
That’s all you have done is attack people here.
Your words:
People like you with no courage are the reason why racism still exists in the world.
"On offense, your most precious possessions are your 27 outs" - Earl Weaver
by RiskyBusiness on Mar 11, 2010 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
That attack was based on what the user posted
Her words clearly indicated that she was unwilling to stand up against racism. I didn’t assume anything else about her. I just took we she said at face value and made my judgment based on that.
You, on the other hand, are assuming things about me predicated on nothing but your own stereotypes and attacking me for that.
Brad Miller is god.
You still don't get it
You attacked katie casey and you had no reason to. You don’t know her, yet you think that your stance against racism empowers you to attack her and call her a coward.
That’s pathetic and that’s enough for me.
"On offense, your most precious possessions are your 27 outs" - Earl Weaver
by RiskyBusiness on Mar 11, 2010 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
katie dont listen to this j-idiot
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 11, 2010 7:22 PM CST up reply actions
You're welcome
That’s what a gentleman does. See you at Wrigley.
"On offense, your most precious possessions are your 27 outs" - Earl Weaver
by RiskyBusiness on Mar 11, 2010 7:29 PM CST up reply actions
rec'd
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Based on her comments she clearly is a coward in this specific situation
If she would like to retract or rephrase her comments, my opinion of her changes.
And if you think advocating the idea that people should maybe pull their heads out of their asses and actually speak up instead of allowing idiots to spew hate-filled garbage is pathetic, than your morals are clearly skewed.
For the last time, and this goes out to everybody, if you see someone do something that’s clearly offensive and wrong, do something about it. Otherwise, stuff like this happens: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitty_Genovese
Brad Miller is god.
Trust me, if I see someone getting stabbed at Wrigley
I’ll say something to the authorities.
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you should be ashamed of yourself....if you had a daughter and she
put herself in danger like you are saying women should, I think you would be sorry. I also am just as much of a coward then as you say katie is and I am proud to be in her ranking. You sir aare the coward hiding and proclaiming things in an anonyous blog.
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 11, 2010 7:21 PM CST up reply actions
If I had a daughter and she stood by and watched a person get berated for his ethnicity, I would be ashamed
If she stood up for the guy, I’d be proud. Honestly, I don’t see how dangerous it is to tell someone that they just said something offensive. Honestly, you’re in a public area with plenty of security. What are they gonna do? Come on, the way you people are acting, you make it sound like 1 in 4 people are rapists or murderers.
And believe me, I say the same things I’m saying in this anonymous blog in public when the topic arises, and I’m not perfect, but I do my best to live by what I say, too. If you don’t believe, I could care less, but it doesn’t change my message one bit.
Brad Miller is god.
dont you think each and every one of us would determine if
the situation is dangerous or not, and act appropriately? I am positive that every single person on this blog would confront someone if they thought it would stop the abusive behavior and not jeapordize themselves or others around them! And just the same if they thought the situation might escalate they would get a security gaurd….what is wrong with that????
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 11, 2010 8:21 PM CST up reply actions
you are talking to a brick wall
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I know...I thought you were working tonight
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by cooliogirl47 on Mar 11, 2010 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
or should I say "flying"
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 11, 2010 8:26 PM CST up reply actions
should be but coughing too much
took the day and night off
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good for you....hope you feel better soon
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 11, 2010 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
I'm a brick wall?!?
Please. You haven’t even attempted a counter-argument. In fact nobody has except Andrew J. Stone, who had a couple of reasonable points that I listen too. Everybody else has simply berated me because it’s easier to do that than change their behavior.
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Mar 11, 2010 10:32 PM CST up reply actions
its pointless to try to talk common sense
with you on this topic, since you have made up your mind that everyone must act how you deem fit, instead of actually listen to anyone elses opinions on it. counterpoiint with you would be the same as pissing in the wind
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I'm open to any real counterarguments
If you have one, please share it. I’d like to know exactly where you think I’m wrong. So far, I haven’t gotten much besides “you’re pathetic” and “go play polo.”
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Mar 11, 2010 10:51 PM CST up reply actions
DO YOU KNOW HOW TO READ?
there are about 20+ posts here explaining all sorts of reasons why your comments to katie were uncalled for and rude. You are a brick wall….That is all.
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 11, 2010 10:56 PM CST up reply actions
And I've read them all
Sorry, but “go play polo” isn’t a valid counterargument. Here’s what I understand to be the counterarguments against me:
1) I’m pathetic because I don’t follow up on what I’m saying.
Sorry, but none of you know me, so for all you know, I’m Clark fucking Kent. Try again.
2) Girls shouldn’t be expected to stand up for what’s right, because, you know, the suburban white guys that attend Cubs’ games are scary and might fight them.
Sorry, I don’t buy that argument either, seeing as its based on entirely on sexism.
3) I bought a ticket so I have a right to sit back and enjoy the game. It’s not my responsibility to police the assholes at the ballpark.
This is exactly the kind of mentality that allows racism to breed. If you honestly feel this way, your morals are seriously lacking.
This is all I’ve seen.
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Mar 11, 2010 11:10 PM CST up reply actions
I understand what you are saying...but...
at the same time you have to understand where Katie is coming from. Do you honestly think that if she says “please stop being obnoxious at a baseball game” to a bunch of drunk dudes that they are actually gonna stop?? C’mon. The point is, I understand and agree with you that people need to stand up for themselves, but at the same time, you have to know what you are up against. Frankly, if I was Katie going up against a group of drunk men, I’d just try to mind my own business or get security to calm them down…which is why I would sign that petition to strengthen security (which started this whole debate in the first place, remember?)…As far as your first point, yes you have followed up on what you are saying, but if you don’t agree with someone else’s argument, then why not just agree to disagree?? It’s like you said, none of us know you, so yes, you could be Clark F*cking Kent for all we know. So therefore, why feel the need to attack everyone and get so defensive?? What are we going to do about it? Nothing. We don’t know you. And finally, I think it’s a little unnecessary to compare buying a ticket and sitting back at a baseball game to allowing racism to breed. That’s a little extreme, dont you think?
A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
I don't think any one person speaking up is gonna change a person's behavior
But if a whole crowd of people starts to voice their opinion, I think the idiots would stop. But if everybody says “it’s not my problem, someone else will take care of it” than nobody does anything. And I don’t think it’s that big of a stretch to compare it to fostering racism. Numerous psychological studies have shown that when people are ensured tha they’re not accountable, they’ll allow other people to perform, and even perform themselves, horrific actions. It’s this same type of mindset that most of Germany experienced during the Holocaust, and it’s the same mindset we’re seeing here, and people are making excuses to justify it! And that’s why I feel the need to be defensive and confront ( confront sounds better than attack even though they mean the same thing) people on this issue, because it’s a lot bigger than people realize. If this type of behavior is allowed go continue, someone will eventually get hurt. And having extra security is nice, but when it comes down to it they’re always gonna be massively outnumbered by the fans, which is why we need to do a little bit of self-policing.
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Mar 11, 2010 11:45 PM CST up reply actions
Where exactly did they say that it is "not our problem"?
Or how about put yourself in the shoes of Shane Victorino last year? Just imagine that person throwing the cup full of beer at you just because you asked the person to stop making nasty remarks.
No one is attacking you here. Believe me, if a fan of an opposing team went at someone else and I saw it, I would speak up. I think the difference people are trying to draw here is that while they might not overtly confront the guilty party, they might covertly do it.
What this means is that they might report it, or let security know in some way. You’re right in the sense that doing nothing makes the problem worse. But people are trying to tell you that they can still work toward solving the problem without actually confronting the culprit openly, which, katie casey pointed out long ago, could potentially cause problems for the person doing the confronting.
Also, last September, a Giants fan in SF was trying to get a rise out of me, but when he and I spoke about it, it turned out he was actually a nice guy, and that situation defused itself before anything bad happened. 95% of the time, even between opposing fans, cooler heads prevail.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 12, 2010 12:26 AM CST up reply actions
"Where exactly did they say that it is "not our problem"?"
Numerous people have made comments that indicate that they shouldn’t be held responsible for the actions of a select few, as the few idiots are not representative of the group as a whole. Others have admitted that they would rather keep quiet and mind their own business than say something to somebody making nasty comments. I’m not making this up.
And your anecdote about you and the Giants fan only proves my point. You’re right, 95% of the time cooler heads prevail, which is why people shouldn’t be afraid to speak out for fear of violent retribution.
Brad Miller is god.
You can't judge all of us based upon a few comments.
So what if we don’t confront them openly? I wouldn’t confront them openly unless I was being targeted.
However, if I saw someone making bad comments, I would make sure someone who could do something found out about it.
And just because someone acts like an idiot doesn’t mean we all act that way. Most people are very nice and would try to help in any way they can. That does not mean we have to get up in their face about it. There are other options than risk a face-to-face altercation.
I’m not sure if you fit into that group.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 12, 2010 8:06 AM CST up reply actions
Also, about this...
You’re right, 95% of the time cooler heads prevail, which is why people shouldn’t be afraid to speak out for fear of violent retribution.
I take it no one has ever tried to pound you. If it happens, maybe you would change your tone.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 12, 2010 8:07 AM CST up reply actions
One thing,
I am in no way suggesting that someone do that. I do not want to see you hurt physically, I just want you to know that should something like that happen, it affects you.
For me, this comes from working in a hospital … I’ve seen some really nasty things in the past few years.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 12, 2010 8:09 AM CST up reply actions
Here's what I think.
At this point, you should take a deep breath and stop posting in this thread.
Enough, already.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
"I take it no one has ever tried to pound you."
You’d be wrong on that one, not that it matters much.
And since you decided to make an assumption about my personal life without any base, I’ll turn around and make one about you. I take it you’ve never been discriminated against due to your ethnicity. If that happened, maybe you’d change your tone.
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Mar 12, 2010 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
He doesn't STRIKE me like a guy nobody has ever tried to pound...
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by AndrewJStone on Mar 12, 2010 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
OK. But...
on another side note, this is a Cubs thread and a Cubs website. I think we should leave the Holocaust out of this.
A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
by mikegncb34 on Mar 12, 2010 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Huh?
Katie didn’t even criticize you that harshly, and you accused her of covertly supporting racism.
If that isn’t drawing conclusions, I don’t know what is. I believe you actually are showing something of a double standard here. You criticize what you see as rude without realizing how hurtful your comments are.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 12, 2010 12:18 AM CST up reply actions
I didn't accuse her of supporting racism, I accused her of not discouraging it
There’s a difference. Both actions are somewhat despicable in my book, but the former is far worse. And based on the comments she made, I think the conclusion I drew was reasonable.
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Because I’d be afraid that if someone is idiot enough to make insensitive comments that they’d be idiot enough to beat the crap out of me.
In now way does she say she wouldn’t do something about it. Comparing that to racism is unnecessary and it should have been flagged as inappropriate.
How do you know she wouldn’t speak to someone about it? Can you tell me that without ever having met her?
I believe if she saw something wrong, she would do something about it.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 12, 2010 7:47 AM CST up reply actions
thank you
I don’t know for sure what I would do, because I have NEVER, NEVER seen or heard anything, but I certainly hope I would. Most likely it would be to get security though, not a direct confrontation unless the remark was said directly to me.
"Chicago Cubs baseball is on the air."-Pat Hughes
And I know from reading that,
That you make sure we know they are wrong to make insensitive comments and that they are wrong to beat you because you confront them about it.
Not sure how or why he drew the charge that you would not do something if there was racism involved.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 12, 2010 7:58 AM CST up reply actions
I never said she was racist
Just as many people that lived in Nazi Germany weren’t anti-semitic but nevertheless did nothing to stop the atrocities going on over there.
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Mar 12, 2010 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
Don't middle name me, man.
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by AndrewJStone on Mar 11, 2010 11:52 PM CST up reply actions
i was complementing you...
No need to get all touchy.
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by Poloplaya14 on Mar 12, 2010 12:48 AM CST up reply actions
I was just playin', dude.
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by AndrewJStone on Mar 12, 2010 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
"I am positive that every single person on this blog would confront someone if they thought it would stop the abusive behavior and not jeapordize themselves or others around them!"
Many of the comments I’ve read indicate otherwise.
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by Poloplaya14 on Mar 11, 2010 10:31 PM CST up reply actions
Cough-strawman-cough!
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 12, 2010 12:29 AM CST up reply actions
Then you haven't been reading too closely.
Confronting someone does not mean we have to get up in their face about it. That’s how things like this punching festival happen. Ever heard about talking to a security guard? What’s wrong with doing that?
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 12, 2010 12:30 AM CST up reply actions
I never advocated that people just go out and try to start a fight.
I only endorsed verbal communication to let the offending person know they’re in the wrong.
Brad Miller is god.
What you apparently do not understand
Is that doing just what you described often leads to a fight. If people can handle things in a different way, we usually will.
Is this seriously that hard a point to understand?
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 12, 2010 7:39 AM CST up reply actions
And that's where I disagree
In a crowded public area with security guards, a quick verbal jab rarely leads to a fight.
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Mar 12, 2010 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
What you don't see is that we consider your speech as hate-filled
Simple put, you have been rude and mean-spirited. At no time have you tried to be constructive. It appears that your only goal is to argue with people or have them blindly follow your judgment.
Whatever your arguments are, it would be impossible to actually listen to them due to your inconsiderate behavior. If you think this tone will rally people to your cause, you have mistaken tyranny for leadership. You show no sense of compassion for anyone or their well-being. And that’s sad, because you appear to be educated. But I don’t know what you have learned.
I though a petition might be a good idea for this community (BCB) given our geographical dispersion and method of communication. The purpose of the petition would be to work with the Cubs to make Wrigley Field a better, safer place. If you don’t like the idea of a petition, fine. Don’t sign it.
"On offense, your most precious possessions are your 27 outs" - Earl Weaver
by RiskyBusiness on Mar 11, 2010 11:50 PM CST up reply actions
"Whatever your arguments are"
Thanks for acknowledging that you haven’t actually read what I’ve wrote. That makes me feel a lot better. I was starting to think that maybe I wasn’t getting my point across, but apparently you’ve just decided to ignore my logic and focus solely on my rhetoric, which I admit, is a little harsh. But that’s because this entire issue frustrates me and makes me a little emotional, and I’m struggling a little bit to keep my temper in check. If you feel, I’ve been rude, i apologize. But I think you’ve been just as rude in turn. You’ve done your fair share of name-calling as well.
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Mar 12, 2010 12:52 AM CST up reply actions
You have convinced me!
I was going to ignore you because this was getting so over the top. But I find your suggestion that I am fostering racism and having a mindset to allow the holocaust to be clearly offensive. Not to mention advocating that I should risk putting myself and my family in harms way. 95% of the time nothing happens, huh. What about that other 5%, sir? So fine, I am going to do something about it.
I’m manning up and telling you to SHUT UP!
There are you happy now? I know I’m not.
Keep in mind that any response you make will just hurt your own argument because if you do we can easily come back and say that telling people to shut up doesn’t work.
"Chicago Cubs baseball is on the air."-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Mar 12, 2010 6:42 AM CST up reply actions 8 recs
Your half-assed comparison of me to a racist is just as offensive as anything I've said to you
And I’m glad found my suggestion offensive, because it was meant to me, and for good reason. And before you go on, with your “telling me to shut up didn’t work” crap, the difference between my offensive comments and those of a racist is that my comments are based on me judging you by what you’ve said, which is a fair and valid thing to do, while a racist’s offensive comments are based on that person judging someone by the color of their skin. If you don’t see the difference there, you’re even worse a human being than I thought you were.
And I don’t know why I’m even bothering with this, but I guess I still have some hope that you might be a decent human being. “What about that other 5%, sir?” That’s why Wrigley hires security.
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Mar 12, 2010 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
Please someone turn katies comment above green....I love this part,
Keep in mind that any response you make will just hurt your own argument because if you do we can easily come back and say that telling people to shut up doesn’t work.
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 12, 2010 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
It already was by the time that I got here
But I rec’d it, too.
Most of us don’t know each other here. It’s not really fair to judge a person based on an internet persona, and while Poloplaya has some points, he likely wouldn’t want us judging him based on this thread.
Chill out, guy. Or if you like the “man up” talk so much, leave the lady alone.
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by Shanghai Badger on Mar 12, 2010 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
right, I feel like there's some obnoxious guy right here,
being a bully and someone has to help her, which all of you do very well I might add, (thx) Believe me, it is a sobering experience to be set upon here. You guys are a good group and I do feel it helps us feel more comfortable.
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 12, 2010 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
And furthermore, even if I was a hypocritical coward who didn't actually follow through on the stuff I'm posting, it wouldn't make what I'm saying any less true
I don’t have to be a physicist to tell you that F=MA. Regardless of whether I apply that concept in my own life doesn’t make in any less of an indisputable fact
Brad Miller is god.
OMG....go play polo
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 11, 2010 7:59 PM CST up reply actions
Oh no she didn't.
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by AndrewJStone on Mar 11, 2010 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
oh you did NOT go there
"The roar from the crowd really fired me up," Burish said. "In warmups there were a lot of signs. One said 'Burish, my grandma is pregnant.' I don't know what that means. I skated by it and said, 'it's not mine.' "
by jesus christos on Mar 12, 2010 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
correction
she did not just go there
"The roar from the crowd really fired me up," Burish said. "In warmups there were a lot of signs. One said 'Burish, my grandma is pregnant.' I don't know what that means. I skated by it and said, 'it's not mine.' "
by jesus christos on Mar 12, 2010 5:18 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, I went there
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 12, 2010 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
How was it?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2010 9:23 AM CST up reply actions
it was all that
and a bag of potato chips
"The roar from the crowd really fired me up," Burish said. "In warmups there were a lot of signs. One said 'Burish, my grandma is pregnant.' I don't know what that means. I skated by it and said, 'it's not mine.' "
by jesus christos on Mar 13, 2010 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
and a bottle of beer
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 13, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
awesome
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 13, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
Excellent
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2010 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
If what you're saying is true, why is it no one agrees with your version of this discussion?
Could it be that there are other options besides sitting there and doing nothing or getting in the face of the person making nasty remarks?
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 12, 2010 12:32 AM CST up reply actions
Nobody else believed the Earth revolved around the Sun, but Galileo was still right.
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Mar 12, 2010 12:54 AM CST up reply actions
Your point does not compare.
Sorry, but if you’re getting this kind of a response, it means one of two things. Either you are only seeing things in black and white, or you are basing your point on an opinion.
Katie Casey did not say a single thing about fostering racism. I think she was just afraid of getting hurt. But having seen her on the blog for a while, I believe if she saw something bad happen, she would do something about it.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 12, 2010 7:41 AM CST up reply actions
My point does compare
Just because everybody else says that a person’s wrong doesn’t make it so. That point clearly applies to this situation, in which everybody here’s saying I’m wrong.
And as for this comment, "Katie Casey did not say a single thing about fostering racism. I think she was just afraid of getting hurt. " That’s exactly what people living in Nazi Germany said after WWII. They weren’t trying to foster anti-semitism; they were just scared of the SS.
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Mar 12, 2010 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
Be careful.
This same type of "it’s not my problem" mindset is what allowed the holocaust to happen.
My ancestors, Germans, lived in what was Yugoslavia at that time. And I react very negatively toward any reference to that.
Also, have you ever been to places such as Auschwitz? From a trip to Europe I took in 2003:
The train tracks at Auschwitz:
The insides of the prisoner’s quarters:
Have I made my point?
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 12, 2010 12:12 AM CST up reply actions
I don't see what your point is
Just because you went on vacation and snapped some photos doesn’t make you an expert.
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Mar 12, 2010 12:55 AM CST up reply actions
Please forgive me.....
….. I haven’t kept up with this exchange word for word. If this has been asked of you, I missed it. Have you actually put into practice yourself what you suggest here? Standing up and telling a drunk jerk or group of jerks to knock off the rude comments and behavior, with no support whatsoever from anyone around you?
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
no, he hasn't and isnt even sure that he would!!!
read his comment just above these pictures….starts And furthermore…
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 12, 2010 7:45 AM CST up reply actions
Just curious.
Is this critical of me or poloplaya?
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 12, 2010 7:49 AM CST up reply actions
poloplaya, silly...you have never said anything I would be critical about!
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 12, 2010 8:28 AM CST up reply actions
btw, I loved the Win flag with the surprise attached (song)...thanks for that!
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 12, 2010 8:34 AM CST up reply actions
Hit search for "northsider"
He used to make a waving “W” flag which, when clicked, played “Go Cubs Go.”
Going back to April 2009, another BCB member (“slcathena”, one of my favorites here) asked if anyone could make the flag northsider used to make.
I searched the site, and found the song link by chance … but no flag. Eventually, sanantonecub provided the flag. During the winter, the photobucket account the flag was originally on went inactive, and I worked frantically with drewishdrewid to recover the flag. It’s now stored on one of his sites, available for my access there.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 12, 2010 8:38 AM CST up reply actions
awww, thats really a nice story about "our" Win flag :)
makes it even more special!
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 12, 2010 8:42 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah,
slcathena knows about the way that flag came into being as she was the one who caused me to begin creating it.
However, she does not know that I almost lost the flag over the winter. Can’t wait to see her reaction on that one.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 12, 2010 4:59 PM CST up reply actions
FYI, I have put into practice what I've suggested
But as you have no way of disproving that and I have no way of proving it, it’s hardly a fruitful argument point. And it’s not a valid one anyways.
Brad Miller is god.
by Poloplaya14 on Mar 12, 2010 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
Don't be so touchy
If I make it, it’s a valid argument on its face.
Nonetheless, if you have put it into practice, how did it go?
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
I wasn't referring to any one incident, but here's one off the top of my head
I was at a Cubs game at Wrigley, against the Phillies. I wasn’t in the bleachers, but the upper deck, out of earshot of the players, but nevertheless, some jerk a couple rows down decided that Fukudome’s “squinty-looking eyes” were funny and felt compelled to blurt that out, so I yelled at him to shut the hell up. He sort of half-turned around, didn’t say or do anything and while he kept heckling throughout the game, he layed off the racist stuff. This was a Cubs fan, by the way.
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by Poloplaya14 on Mar 12, 2010 11:54 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe it doesn't,
But what I am trying to say is that if something like that happened, even in America, I would say something about it.
Life isn’t always black and white.
Reading is fundamental.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
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by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 12, 2010 7:43 AM CST up reply actions
Double standard!
You are very quick to criticize what you see as rudeness while ignoring the offensive things that you say.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 12, 2010 7:44 AM CST up reply actions
Here's the thing...
… as some here know, i’ve had the chance to work at a few Cubs games in a security position – they subcontract a company i’m involved in on the concerts side when they are short on people or during big events like Cubs / Sox or Wrigley concerts – and it really its a problem from the top down.
The guys who are actually standing there enforcing order in the bleachers don’t have the power to solve the problems in any meaningful way. For example… if i see or hear something i don’t like at Soldier Field (or a fan hears something and lets me know) i’m going to give the infringing patron ONE chance to knock it off before they are GONE. This is written in to the fan code of conduct, and I have the authority to boot you from the stadium if you don’t adhere. It doesn’t matter if its an innapropriate shirt, smoking in the stands, cursing… whatever.
It simply isn’t like that at Wrigley. I appreciate their “the customer is always right” outlook, but it shouldn’t apply to 4500 wasted people who’ve been sitting in the sun for hours.
The poor lackeys standing amongst the people doing this stuff simply don’t have the means to stop it.
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by AndrewJStone on Mar 11, 2010 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
That's a great comparison
The security personnel at Wrigley do need to have more authority in this respect. And they need more support from Cubs management.
I was thinking that a fan code of conduct would be appropriate at Wrigley Field.
I loved being at a Bears game (prior to renovations) and seeing some guy who was tanked at half-time and spouting his mouth off. You just knew it was a matter of time. Mid-way through the 4th quarter and the green security jackets came through and started scooping drunk guys up.
I walked out of Soldier Field once and said that I wished tickets were more expensive so they could get a better crowd.
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by RiskyBusiness on Mar 11, 2010 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
A REALLY great policy the Bears have...
… is to take the ticket from anybody you deal with and issue them a temporary ticket for them to hold on to for the rest of the game.
Then, you write down an incident report, attach the ticket, and turn it in to the Bears at the end of the game. They take the ticket and see if they can track down who bought it, and send them a letter.
In some cases, they have no way of knowing who it was. But in others, you nail the obnoxious and entitled son of some season ticket holder, and when daddy gets a letter from the bears saying “people in your seats are causing troubles – keep it up and you won’t be renewed” the problems tend to solve themselves.
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by AndrewJStone on Mar 11, 2010 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
The ticket thing probably wouldn't work for Cubs games.
It would seem to me that a much higher percentage of people attending Bears games are the people who bought the tickets.
For bleacher tickets, a lot are bought by friends for other friends, or from brokers.
What they really need is some plainclothes — or uniformed — Chicago police in the bleachers, who WOULD be empowered to toss people, or arrest them. Maybe just the presence of cops in uniform would discourage the idiot behavior.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Well, even IF its harder to track down the original ticket purchaser and warn them...
… the temporary tickets WOULD still server a purpose.
If somebody comes to the attention of security and they’ve already got one of the “i got my ticket taken away for being obnoxious and they gave me this replacement” tickets in hand, you know they’ve already gotten their warning, and there is no reason to even consider what they have to say. Gone.
Similar policy at some concerts where we want to discourage crowd surfing… do it once, cool. We can appreciate the thrill, we know sometimes you gotta get out of the crowd and the only way is up, all that. We grab you, help you down, and escort you to a safe spot where we can check to make sure you don’t need medical assistance, you still have all your clothing (you wouldn’t believe what people lose while crowd surfing), and we put a big black X in sharpie on both your hands.
You come over my barricade with a big black X already on your hand? You are becoming a nuisance and endangering the safety of other patrons as we are busy pulling you off the crowd repeatedly. You are gone.
Under both of these systems, there is at least some accountability beyond “some guy in a cubs polo gave me a stern talking to”. You know you don’t have another chance. You know where you stand in terms of “risk of being obnoxious getting me booted”. A little incentive can go a long way. As it stands, there is very little incentive to behave in Wrigley.
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by AndrewJStone on Mar 11, 2010 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
Can these be Yellow cards first?
Then Red cards? We can get all soccer-ish on people.
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by RiskyBusiness on Mar 11, 2010 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with many of your ideas.
You & I should talk during the season. Maybe I can get these passed along to people who can actually do something about it.
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My email is in my profile if you ever want to holler about anything...
… and frankly i’d love to sit with you for a game sometime!
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by AndrewJStone on Mar 11, 2010 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
About your last paragraph, that is a great idea.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 12, 2010 12:34 AM CST up reply actions
I'd sign it,
After what that idiot did to Shane Victorino last August.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 12, 2010 12:06 AM CST up reply actions
Strange I have never heard a racist comment in my games in the bleachers
Of course I usually sit with Al in far RF corner which is not usually a hot bed of drunken frat boys. I do hear
generic homophopic stuff from the drunks and plenty of sexist stuff.
I mean do you hear people use the “n” word towards players ? Just wondering.
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Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Mar 10, 2010 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
I agree..
I’ve never heard openly racist comments. I have heard some homophobic stuff and have maybe questioned the sexuality of a player or two while watching a game in the bleachers (Yeah…I’m talking to you Jason Bay!). But that’s more of a guys being guys type of thing and happens in every locker room across America.
But I don’t think anyone would tolerate racial comments for very long. Security is very tight with profanities. I also rarely ever hear any type of profanity being used or at least at a decibel level that could be heard by the players (More than just conversation going on between two people).
"...but you the living, you're stuck here with the Cubs. So it is ME who feels sorry for you." - Steve Goodman, "A Dying Cub Fan's Last Request"
I don't see why
we’re so up in arms about racist remarks, yet somehow we’re able to shrug off homophobic attacks. Both are wrong and should be dealt with accordingly by security.
A few things.
First, I was in a fraternity in college, and the predisposition here on BCB to tie any and all ignorant behavior at Wrigley to that group of people is wearing thin. We aren’t all Otter, Boone and Bluto. Most Greek organizations these days have strong philanthropic drives, academic standards above what is required for the rest of the student body, strong orientation and alcohol programs, ongoing post-grad guidance, and more.
Just like there are idiots in every MLB fanbase, there are idiots among every demographic of Cubs fan, and pretending like all the morons you happen upon must have gone to college (isn’t that giving them a LOT of credit?) and joined a Greek program, and that THAT must be what causes them to behave so, is ignorant.
I’m not lashing out at you specifically, Jessica, so please don’t take that wrong. I notice Ballhawk is making the same generalization above. Its unfair is all.
As far as not hearing the insulting comments coming from the bleachers, well… i’m not sure how that is possible. The racism isn’t the worst of it frankly… there are a few choice homophobic slurs that are FAR more common. I have indeed heard the N word used, and although i have no doubt MB overstated the level of racism he felt, i can attest to the fact that it WAS out there.
Maybe venture out of your comfort zone sometime this season during a contentious game and do an 8th inning walk around the Bleachers with your ears open. I’m generally as inebriated as the rest of my rowdy “frat” brothers on the average Saturday afternoon, but i notice it without really thinking. I’m sure anybody looking for it would get a good dose.
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by AndrewJStone on Mar 11, 2010 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
thank you
as someone who also was heavily involved in their fraternity i find it incredibly hypocritical
BCB as a community will defend the cubs fan-base stating that players or outsiders are making broad generalizations that aren’t fair to all cubs fans
and at the SAME EXACT TIME
they’re labeling the people in the stands who do act inappropriately with large generalizations
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Mar 11, 2010 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't have said anything...
… but a bunch of people were harassing a poster over a donut related Hendry post here in the last couple of days, and i couldn’t take it any more.
If you can’t make fun of Hendry for being fat, you can’t blame my brothers for being the sole source of obnoxious behavior at Wrigley.
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by AndrewJStone on Mar 11, 2010 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
Backwards baseball cap wearing should be mocked, however.
I can’t remember who said it, but this truism has stuck with me:
Baseball caps should only be worn backwards if you’re behind the plate in a baseball game, or if you’re performing oral sex.
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Agree to disagree.
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by AndrewJStone on Mar 11, 2010 11:58 PM CST up reply actions
And my point is proven.
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please dont go there Goodie...for my sake :(
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by cooliogirl47 on Mar 12, 2010 7:20 AM CST up reply actions
I just meant it's not a good look.
Nothing against him personally or politically.
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whew :) ...and agreed, as a member of the opposite sex, I dont find it very attractive.
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by cooliogirl47 on Mar 12, 2010 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
No, THIS guy would prove your point.
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by AndrewJStone on Mar 12, 2010 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
Ha!
I rarely wear my hat backwards, mostly because I can’t stand bright lights (including that damned day star).
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That is a very good point about fraternities there.
Talk about negative stereotypes. My daughter is considering joining a sorority. The one she is thinking about does a lot of work to help abused women. Her grades have to be exemplary to be in it. These kids are really quite the opposite of the stereotype. Yet I am having a devil of a time simply getting her grandma to believe that it would be OK for her to be in one.
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Realistically, i found greek life to be a mix of what i expected from the stereotypes and things i didn't at all.
I ended up viewing it this way: greek life is the college experience on steroids. Yes, you’ll drink more. There is a never-ending supply of social events sponsored by the organizations in your community. You immediately meet and make friends with dozes of like minded individuals.
But you’ll also study more, and harder. You’ll have friends in every class, a vested interest in everybody around you doing well (winning the “Best Academic House” on my campus was a BIG deal), tutoring from older members who have taken the classes you are in…
You’ll get involved more, and work harder. You’ll be FORCED to participate in philanthropic causes. You’ll be competing in things like the Greek Olympics, attending your houses night at the local soup kitchen, building a float for the homecoming parade, running for student government, meeting people in incredibly interesting organizations…
One thing you can be guaranteed of is that you won’t be bored. You won’t become that college student that plays video games all day and occasionally emerges to take a test or something. Its a commitment to involvement, something that can’t be overlooked as a college student.
I actually joined in a unique way, and i recommend people consider it: move to school and live in the dorms for a semester. Make those friends. Get that experience. At semester, all the greek houses will have something called informal recruitment to replace members that quit or were kicked out, and then you don’t have to go through the cattle call of snap judgment and fake put-ons that is bid week. You get a semester under your belt to experience the other non-greek side, to learn more about the houses and how they are viewed on campus, all of that. Its for the best, really.
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by AndrewJStone on Mar 11, 2010 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
Interesting - and point taken
It’s been awhile since my college days, but this is the first time in a very long time that I’ve heard anyone take offense to the frat-boy reference. My impression was that it had lost whatever sting it had over the years and had been dulled down to the “dumb jock” or “computer geek” level. A general reference usually made just in passing, more often than not with humorous intentions.
And full disclosure: I was in a fraternity in college, quite involved with it on many levels, and without question can say being in a fraternity kept me sane during my five years of academia. So I’m well-versed in the positives fraternities – and sororities ;-) – bring to the college experience, and post-college as well.
Obviously, I meant no harm in using the term but that doesn’t matter if harm was perceived. Now because I’m so used to it being a harmless term, I can’t say I won’t slip up and use it again here (or elsewhere). But I’ll certainly try to be more aware and not do so.
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No harm, ballhawk.
I know its a term just like “dumb jock” or “computer geek”, and really it doesn’t mean a lot.
There is one key difference though – you don’t join (and pay dues to, wear the colors of, live exclusively with members of, on and on) the “jock fraternity” or the “geek brotherhood”. Generally, you just get lumped in to that based on the perception you put off, and the stereotype matches the group for that reason. Geeks act geeky, jocks act jocky, whatever.
The Greek community is something people are PROUD to join (as you are well aware) and in calling out “frat boys”, you are calling out a very specific subset of people who don’t necessarily match the stereotype.
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by AndrewJStone on Mar 11, 2010 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
I heard a LOT of nasty insulting stuff from the bleachers
But only on two times that I can rember over 20 years was it racial and it involved Hispanic players
I am sorry for stereotyping fraternaties. I can’t say I have fond memories of them from college. Lets say
the 20 something white guys who drink way too much in the bleachers.
I prefer to stay in my cocoon in upper LF but I would definately alert security if I ever heard racist comments directed at players (not that they would do much)
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by Doggie Stalker on Mar 11, 2010 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
I would agree that hispanics see more of the grief, racially, than African Americans do.
See the “Pujols mows my lawn” shirts as an example.
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by AndrewJStone on Mar 11, 2010 5:28 PM CST up reply actions
And what did you do about that?
If you let people say racist, homophobic, or sexist comments without reprimand, they will continue to do it. People need to start speaking out that this type of behavior is wrong.
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I take care of this stuff in my own way.
Sometimes i ignore it. Sometimes i tell people to shut it. Sometimes i go grab a security guy – many of whom i happen to work with at other events. I appreciate your vigilante stance, but you might want to take it down a notch… no need to replace the problem of harsh words in the bleachers with a rash of fistfights.
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by AndrewJStone on Mar 11, 2010 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not advocating picking fights
But going over to security is usually ineffective in these cases. They’re usually too slow to respond, and they’re reluctant to give more than a warning, because security guards don’t deem verbal abuse as that big of a threat. Now if you say something to people, and it doesn’t have to be anything more than a quick “shut the hell up,” than either one of two things will happen: they’ll shut up, or they’ll get confrontational, which then gives security a reason to actually do something about the jerk.
Brad Miller is god.
Fair enough.
That works for you. Hell, it’d probably work for me. Its not for everyone, and acting like taking the option of moving / ignoring / tattling makes somebody less of a human is pompous.
I agree with your general sentiment, but you need to dial it back a little to get in line with the way the rest of the world interacts. Not everyone is comfortable being some vigilante crusader of bleacher justice.
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by AndrewJStone on Mar 11, 2010 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I might be a little overboard
But this type of situation just drives me insane.
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"This type of situation just drives me insane."
I believe Shane Victorino would be inclined to agree with you.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
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by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 12, 2010 12:36 AM CST up reply actions
What are you, 14?
Of course when people make generalizations they’re referring to the group’s behavior in general and not the specific behavior of every single member of said group.
It’s an incredibly insipid objection to this, and one you keep making every chance you get. It’s like reading a study that says, “Americans are the most obese people in the world,” and objecting that it’s not true because you’re skinny.
No, I'm on the opposite end
I object to “We” speak. I don’t need people lumping me into a group for one person’s bad behavior. The group – Cubs fan’s – are not racist and I know DartmouthCubsFan was not implying that.
But the group also can’t do anything about racist remarks by specific individual. Are we going to stop the mail and inspect it? No. Are people going to walk around Wrigley Field and hunt down racist and confront them? I doubt it.
The “We” speak means for a nice speech, but there is no teeth behind it.
So why say it?
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by RiskyBusiness on Mar 10, 2010 4:31 PM CST up reply actions
I have literally no idea what you're saying here.
Other than that you sound like you suffer from some kind of juvenile hyper-individualism and think it’s impossible to speak for a group or generalize their behavior.
Is that what you’re saying? Because it’s pretty silly if so.
Generalize their behavior?
What do you mean? Generalize their (that would be Cubs fans) behavior as racist?
I don’t agree to that at all. Absolutely not. And no generalization or speaking for a group will make me think otherwise.
And what is juvenile hyper-individualism? Since I can’t find any results in google for it?
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by RiskyBusiness on Mar 10, 2010 4:53 PM CST up reply actions
Speaking for a group and generalizing their behavior has a name.
It’s called stereotyping.
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and stereotyping
is actually a good thing (for our brains) as it allows our brains to operate more efficiently
stereotyping is necessary for our brains
i understand people react viscerally to the word, but there’s nothing wrong with stereotyping (if we didn’t do it we wouldn’t be able to function), its drawing conclusions from those generalizations and attaching them to an individual without evidence that is what should be looked down upon (prejudice)
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Mar 10, 2010 6:53 PM CST up reply actions
I like this idea
Are people going to walk around Wrigley Field and hunt down racist and confront them?
Coming soon to a bleacher section near you – “Inglourious Racests”
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LOL - You might see more than baseballs start flying over the fence
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by RiskyBusiness on Mar 11, 2010 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
Not taking a side here...
… but its important to note that Wrigley Field does lie smack dab in the middle of the “white” part of the most segregated city in the country.
There are undoubtedly a whole host of race issues in Chicago that don’t easily compare to other towns with MLB teams.
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by AndrewJStone on Mar 10, 2010 7:31 PM CST up reply actions
It's not as easy as North and South in Chicago
I don’t think racial remarks at Wrigley Field are reflective of the north side and the Wrigleyville neighborhood. I think’s about comfort.
First, there are not a lot of African-American baseball in MLB today. Especially not compared to the NFL and NBA. So it follows that there is not high attendance by African-Americans at baseball games. Add in Wrigley Field’s location, and yes, African-American attendance decreases more. And I think that could empower a racist to speak out at Wrigley Field.
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by RiskyBusiness on Mar 10, 2010 8:33 PM CST up reply actions
or a non racist
to not care about making a stupid remark
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by cooliogirl47 on Mar 10, 2010 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
That's not bad
Bad would be if you said you didn’t want someone from a different ethnicity moving into your neighborhood. And it’s the strength of those neighborhood that keep those cultures alive in Chicago.
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by RiskyBusiness on Mar 11, 2010 12:04 AM CST up reply actions
There is a difference between...
… the quaint separation of neighborhoods that house the people and traditions of various cultures that you see in most cities, and what Chicago has.
Have you ever heard of hyper-segregation? Its a word that was invented specifically to describe our city, when it was discovered that the likelihood of people of different races living on the same block (or even being forced to interact with each other) was so much less likely here than it is anywhere else in our country. With that, there are a whole host of crime, education and health issues that plague parts of Chicago in ways that other cities don’t see.
Check out this great feature in the Trib to learn more about this: http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2008/dec/26/local/chi-segregation-26-dec26
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by AndrewJStone on Mar 11, 2010 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
It's a riduculous charge
It’s a ridiculous charge that all fans are racist because a few booed some african american players.
This is a city who’s3 beloved players of all time are Banks, Jordan and Payton.
Players are treated badly in this town whatever their color primarily for not giving 100 percent even some of the players that aren’t our best get well treated if they appear to give 100 percent.
AS I said elsewhere the most embarassing ridiculous fan behavior towards a player in this city in the last 20 years was Rex Grossman. (i think Cutler’s problems are karma we don’t deserve a good QB in this city but that’s another story).
The worst treatedplayer by Cub fans in recent memory was probably Todd Hundley.
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by puckishcubsfan on Mar 10, 2010 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
Don't forget that...
all the Jones and Hawkins drama happened during the Dusty Baker era.
IT was on the Score
Byrd is one of Bradley’s best friends.
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by puckishcubsfan on Mar 10, 2010 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
Thank you, Jim.
Here’s the money part of the article:
Hendry called Bradley’s implication to ESPN that he received hate mail from within the organization “absolutely ridiculous,” and said Bradley needs to look “in the mirror” and accept responsibility for his poor 2009 numbers.
“We’re all brought up in life to accept responsibility when we fail, and to judge people by how they act and how they carry themselves when things don’t go well,” Hendry said.
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by Al Yellon on Mar 10, 2010 12:39 PM CST reply actions 10 recs
This is like a bad game of telephone
It was the reporter who implied that the mail came from inside the organization:
“I was getting so much until I didn’t even have to open up the letter to know what it was, I could see from the envelope. I could just tell, you get an envelope, no address on it, no postmark, it’s just in your mail. How does that get in your cubby hole? I don’t know how that happens.”
Bradley was asked if he thought the mail with no postage mark was sent from inside the organization.
“I would hope not, but … who knows?” he said. “I don’t know. I don’t even care to know.”
Given the vitriol directed at him for nearly anything and everything that he did, both good and bad, I don’t doubt that Bradley got a lot of vile, awful mail.
That said, he’s continuing to show that his biggest problem is not knowing when to shut up. Having a bad attitude and a persecution complex is one thing, giving stream-of-consciousness commentary about it to any reporter who ask s is another.
The reporter said it. Bradley implied it.
Big difference. She did a puff piece, but he opened the door to the possibility of that mail being internal.
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by Shanghai Badger on Mar 10, 2010 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
Thank you, Jim!
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 10, 2010 8:39 PM CST up reply actions
Green'ed.
Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.
by Ryno Runner on Mar 10, 2010 10:33 PM CST up reply actions
I hope he goes 0-12 in the series against us.
And we blow him and his team out the water. I bet you some of those games will be national televised (other than WGN)
2010 is OUR year.
My prediction is...
… he’ll be on the DL and miss the series.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I disagree with your post above, I think Bradley will play in that series if healthy.
Obviously a huge if, but he’s gonna have all the motivation in the world to get back at the Cubs. Plus I can’t imagine the Cubs fans in Seattle booing him any worse than he is booed in half the ballparks around America.
My hope (and prediction) is that Bradley gets called out on a marginal 3rd strike call during a pivotal moment in the series and goes absolutely berserk. I think I’d enjoy that.
Not that I'm condoning this sort of thing...
…but let’s say Milton does face off against the Cubs either in spring training or during the regular season.
Do the Cubs plunk him?
by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2010 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
NOOOOOO
He would love that…its bad enough if he stubs his toe he’s going to blame Chicago and the Cubs for it.
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 10, 2010 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
Probably depends on who's pitching.
If Zambrano’s up there I’d say there’s at least a 75% chance.
If Milton gets plunked
We’d never hear the end of it.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
And in the big picture
It would give Bradley more support and maybe even some sympathy. The Cubs would look like the bad guys.
It would feel good though.
by jerry morales rules on Mar 10, 2010 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
Makes sense.
I’m just curious what the old school baseball etiquette (probably not the right word) is in these cases.
by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2010 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think old school applies here
Very little of the Bradley maelstrom has involved on-the-field stuff, save for the occasional defensive gaffe or outburst/ejection. It’s been more his interviews, quotes, outbursts, in the locker room, i.e. off the field.
Seems to me, old-school is usually in direct response to stuff happening on the field, i.e. extended home-run trots, spikes high into second, etc.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I Agree
The Cubs have to take the high road and treat him like any other player. Besides, it’ll be that much sweeter to strike him out or pop up.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by WayneCampbell08 on Mar 10, 2010 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
Get him to strike out after taking one pitch too many
And then watch Bradley go nuclear for entertainment.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
The only reason to plunk him is if he mouths off at the Cubs in that series
If he starts jawing at any one on the field or in the dugout – then put him on his ass
"There are no curses here...Games are won and lost on the baseball field" - Lou Piniella
I wouldn't be against it
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
i dont think our pitchers
want a broken jaw and lawsuit regarding being a racist
by jesus christos on Mar 10, 2010 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
NO!
If the Cubs did that, Evil MB would get the attention that he wants and it would also show that the Cubs still think about Evil MB.
A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
Hmm...
I’ll take “Pops ACL berating umpire for making ‘Out’ call at 1st Base”, 5/22 in the BCB office pool.
Some people
can’t leave good enough alone…
Milton can’t leave bad enough alone.
Too pathetic.
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue." - George F. Will
I used to think MB was a talented player with some issues. Then he came to Chicago. Now I know he’s a person with a lot of issues who has some talent.
The more Bradley trashes Chicago and tries to insinuate that he wasn’t the problem, but that it was the team, organization, fans, and city, the more pathetic he looks. Lou had it right. Milton is a piece of ****
Jimbo
Have another donut and stop worrying about what MB says, OK?
We have this thing called spring training you should be worried about.
I'm sure he is.
However, I applaud him for firing back. The crap coming out of Bradley’s mouth about Chicago needs to stop.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
At this point, Al, Responding to MB's nonsense is like...
trying to argue with a lunatic who walks up and down the street screaming all day. Bradley’s clearly mad — not angry, but bonkers. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the Bradley saga is going to end in either tragedy or with him in a padded cell.
And If I can make this a double reply (to Katie below) no one takes MB seriously. We don’t need to defend our city against his broadsides. It’s a great big city known all over the world — Milton’s ravings aren’t going to diminish what or who we are.
We have to demand more!
by copingwiththecubs on Mar 10, 2010 10:35 PM CST up reply actions
NO
In this case I believe a reply was important. We can’t just let him bad mouth our city like this.
"Chicago Cubs baseball is on the air."-Pat Hughes
Yes, you have to defend the Franchise's reputation
You just got a new owner and you’re working on ballpark improvements, both short and long term. You can’t stay quiet and have your organization maligned. Not if you want to attract talented personnel, both on and off the field.
To not respond would be to acquiesce to the allegation.
Hendry and Pinella’s responses were very appropriate and in no way attacked MB.
"On offense, your most precious possessions are your 27 outs" - Earl Weaver
by RiskyBusiness on Mar 10, 2010 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
He's simply responding to Milton's comments.
It’s not like he’s going to spend the rest of the month writing a novel about it.
At this point, I’m just kind of enjoying this whole thing as theater.
by dat cubfan daver on Mar 10, 2010 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
what suggests he isn't paying attention to Spring Training?
Because he has about 30 seconds worth of quotes on an issue that is getting lots of negative press for the team? Are you serious?
Also, and I don’t mean to cast aspersions because I like a good donut myself (and it shows), but in my experience, the people who say “have another donut” are usually just as fat as the person they’re throwing that comment at.
by Orval Overall on Mar 10, 2010 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Without casting ANY aspersions...
… the Hendry/donut jokes are old. And stupid. Enough, please.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Mar 10, 2010 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Didn't see
your donut comment before I posted my own below. I should have just rec. yours.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
I'll rec both his and yours
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Mar 10, 2010 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
Could we knock off the donut crap?
It’s beyond old and very childish.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
by sue369 on Mar 10, 2010 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Exactly.
Although B&B on the Score comment more on Hendry’s weight than on his job as GM.
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by puckishcubsfan on Mar 10, 2010 8:26 PM CST up reply actions
Yet another reason I don't listen to sports talk radio.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
For this comment alone...
you have earned my undying respect.
We have to demand more!
by copingwiththecubs on Mar 11, 2010 9:18 AM CST up reply actions
Eh, I think his response was necessary this time.
Bradley just won’t let this thing go. I’m really glad Hendry stepped up.
A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
Good for him...
…I wouldn’t put up with this shit either.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I'm glad Hendry fired back ...
I also hope that Milton doesn’t decide to keep this going.
unfortunately, I think as long as the media sympathizes with him, he'll give these interviews...
and we all know the media loves these kinds of interviews. Once the Cubs have said their piece in public like now, I think we should all ingnore him.
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 10, 2010 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not sure I'd call it media sympathy
More like media fascination. And, hell, tons of people on this blog have sworn off MB, and we can’t seem to stop talking about him …
you're right fascination is a better word....
I just want someone to publically stick up for our city and team and then be done with it
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 10, 2010 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
funny thing is ...
a lot of reporters who have been critical of Bradley — Sullivan, Gordo — have been criticized by posters here as not letting the story go, or (last year) of poisoning the well.
I agree with that, I really dont want to read about it anymore either here or in the newspapers.....
I wanted someone in the Cubs org. to officially, or not, make a statement about what Bradley is saying now, like Hendry did yesterday.
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 11, 2010 8:31 AM CST up reply actions
Oh, I see.
I think Hendry did just that yesterday.
lol...yes elgato, like Hendry did yesterday :)
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 11, 2010 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
AP Headline - Cubs GM Hendry lashes out at Bradley (AP)
Lashes out? Really? I didn’t listen to Hendry, but “lashes out”. That seems very strong for what he said.
"On offense, your most precious possessions are your 27 outs" - Earl Weaver
Typical AP.
They have the story backward. Bradley’s the one who “lashed out”. Hendry simply told the truth.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Yikes.
Some people take the office home and some take home to the office. Some don’t want to live in the past, some can’t leave it.
Bradley may be the first person who ignores positives and his contribution to a negative situation and carrys every negative experience around, everwhere.
Guys going to have a heart attack by 45 or seriously injure others with that kind of pressure buildup.
may addition by subtraction be real
Man in the mirror
Milton needs to put this song on “repeat” until he realizes what’s wrong is him.
''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou
I'll put the O/U at 7.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Mar 10, 2010 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
Hendry is the idiot that doled out $30 million to Milton Bradley in the first place
So excuse me if I find it a little goofy for him to come to the defense of the Chicago Cubs. Hendry ignored Bradley’s horrendous track record in Montreal, Cleveland, Los Angeles, San Diego and Texas to sign Bradley to a ridiculous guaranteed contract.
Hendry the alleged wondrous baseball scouting mind blundered very, very badly. His addiction to free agency to solve the ongoing woes of this organization have blinded his objectiveness in evaluating talent available in the market. Fortunately, Tom Ricketts has taken away Hendry’s blank check writing so debacles like Bradley can’t happen. Soriano is a colossal debacle of a whole other magnitude. And ditto Kosuke for that matter.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
im trying to avoid responding to you but...
it wasnt exactly like you disliked the signing at the beginning
by jesus christos on Mar 10, 2010 4:28 PM CST up reply actions
BLou I am pharaphrasing here
" Milton will rip the hell out of the ball here" I am not going to dig through all of your responses, but I do recall that specifically.
Hey this was a horrible sign 99% of us know that. Hell Hendry knows that now. So give him some credit, which I know you can’t do unless it is Kenny Williams
BLou had many posts about how good signing MB was
here are two that you had linked for those who wont go there
Milton Bradley = Professional Hitter Milton Bradley might be a lot of things, but the man can flat out rake with the best of them in baseball.
by BLou on May 14, 2009 9:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Prediction Milton Bradley will finish within the top 5 for 2009 National League Batting Title. The biggest concern will him having enough at bats to qualify. But even with his mega slow start I have no worries on him hitting WELL over .300 on the season.
by BLou on May 14, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Nice.
He’s going to disappear now, because you have presented him with facts which disprove what he said.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 10, 2010 9:59 PM CST up reply actions
actually I like this one
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2009/4/23/849890/milton-bradley-is-beginning-to
his own thread which starts with
by BLou on Apr 23, 2009 6:31 AM CDT 196 comments
I have been unabashed supporter of the addition of Milton Bradley. Fact is this guy can flat out hit and brings a desperately needed explosive charge into that Cub lockerroom in my opinion.
Good grief Milton Bradley is a HUMONGOUS addition to the Cubs. Yet we have the "I told you so, I told you so !!! " contingent claiming he is a porcelein doll and will prove a horrendous addition. Good grief.
Nagging injuries are a part of a game. It is why good teams like the Cubs have quality depth in the form of Reed Johnson and Joey Gathright.
Bradley is 10 times more complete and important a ballplayer than Adam Friggin Dunn. And a lot better economic value too.
by BLou on Apr 15, 2009 1:01 PM CDT reply
this one was turned green due to the other content in it
2. Milton Bradley is going to prove an outstanding addition. Those naysayers don’t understand that Bradley is the best pure hitter on the Cubs. I can live with his tweaks and groans so long as he can deliver the way he can deliver.
and then this one will be my last as i think there are enough examples
Milton Bradley is going to prove huge for the Cubs I give it until May 15th when all this hang-wringing over Milton Bradley is buried for good.
by BLou on Mar 11, 2009 12:12 PM CDT
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by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 10, 2010 10:48 PM CST up reply actions 7 recs
green this baby up!
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 11, 2010 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
i got to point out this part above
LMAO
the Cubs have quality depth in the form of Reed Johnson and Joey Gathright.
So when he complains about Gathright, he is also playing both sides of the fence
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This just goes to my point
that he does not actually believe the stuff he posts. The more you follow it, the more you realize it is utter nonsense that contradicts itself all the time. Other than defending my posts, I no longer respond to his utter nonsensical postings.
You know he won’t actually respond to your post. I love the Gathright comment.
i knew he would not comment
and i also know he will continue to talk as tho he hated MB from the start
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Every time he comes up and says how bad MB was,
We should present him with one of these quotes.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 12, 2010 12:38 AM CST up reply actions
About that press conference with Jim Hendry,
When is it scheduled?
Oh wait a second….
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 12, 2010 12:40 AM CST up reply actions
Reaction from Mariners fans at Lookout Landing
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
You wonder....
…. did they see the same interview? Pay any attention to his career prior to Chicago? Ask themselves how he has never, ever accepted responsibility for anything in his life?
More power to them if he is problem free this year. But he won’t be, he just won’t be, because he can’t be. it’s not in him.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
exactly
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 10, 2010 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
Don't judge them.
We were doing the same thing a year ago. :-)
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by AndrewJStone on Mar 10, 2010 7:37 PM CST up reply actions
See how they feel in August.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
See how they feel after the Mariners vs. Cubs Spring Training game...
when Bradley lashes out at the Cubs again. I bet he tries to pull some crap again.
I hope he plays. Not because I want Z to pitch against him and plunk him with the first pitch (although I would’nt mind seeing that—-but that would give him the attention that he wants), but because I’d love our Cubs pitchers to go about there business, strike the guy out 3 times and act like he’s just another player—no taunting necessary. Then we’ll see how Evil MB reacts, knowing that his former teammates don’t give a flying f*ck about him.
A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
If he does play in that game...
… then Mariners management isn’t being smart. It’s likely that almost half the crowd that day — at a Mariners home game — will be Cubs fans.
They run the risk of having one of their own players booed loudly in their home park — on a day when the game is being televised live to Seattle.
I can’t imagine him anywhere near the ballpark that day.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I don't think he's going to play either...
But I do really hope he does. Nevertheless, what I said applies to the series in Seattle in June as well.
A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
Prediction
Right before that June series he’ll come up with a mysterious injury that will have him day-to-day for… about three games.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
We will see. And if that happens...
That would be the first smart thing Evil MB has done in a while.
A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
he will PH against a young arm
like Cashner
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I'll be there in Mesa...
And I may be there in Seattle too. I wonder how many taunts about his piss poor performance without using racist or profane remarks it will take before he accuses me of being racist and asks me to be removed.
Good times!
"...but you the living, you're stuck here with the Cubs. So it is ME who feels sorry for you." - Steve Goodman, "A Dying Cub Fan's Last Request"
Well, they personally ripped you, for some reason
It always amazes me how consistently terrible the commenters from Bleed Cubbie Blue are
And then I remember who runs the site
Graham
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
You know I dont understand the hate from other fans.....why would they say that?
That site is the most unemotional boring site I have lurked upon!!!!!
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 10, 2010 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
What I've found....
… is that it’s the “in” thing if you will to rip Chicago, no matter if it’s the town, the fans, the team, the weather, whatever it might be, on the SB sports blogs. It’s rare to find a site that will be a friendly rival and not delve into the ignorant nastiness.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Not Sure if it applies to SB Nation sites...
However, on other sites, the Cubs ALWAYS outdraw the other fans onto their sites. Maybe there is some jealously.
"...but you the living, you're stuck here with the Cubs. So it is ME who feels sorry for you." - Steve Goodman, "A Dying Cub Fan's Last Request"
Wow...
Well, hold on, let me get the microphone…
Ahem.
SEATTLE! WELCOME TO THE MILTON BRADLEY EXPERIENCE!
Let them rip Al. The only people that matter are the people on this site.
And we know how great BCB is. Forget everyone else. Let them think what they want.
Plus…do the opinions of SEATTLE sports fans even matter????? They just lost their NBA team, they’ve never even been to the World Series, they haven’t seen a Mariner playoff team since ’01, and DA BEARS beat the Seahawks in the ’06 playoffs. And last year.
Enough said.
A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
they did set a modern day roller derby crowd record of 5180 last weekend
does that count?
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I want whatever they're smoking...
…. last year at this time this site was divided over Bradley. What the LL people fail to realize or choose to forget is that many here were vociferously advocating to give him a chance, he’s starting fresh here in Chicago, Milton CHOSE to come here over other offers so he’ll have his head on straight, etc. Just like they’re saying now. Others here were saying no way, he’s going to implode, he’s got a history of screwing up.
Well, what happened? Spring training, that’s what. He got hurt, getting hurt got in his head, when he finally played he got off to a slow start, THAT got in his head, and the rest is history.
The revisionist history that occurs in every new place Milton goes (including here last year) is frighteningly consistent. And what our naive neighbors to the Northwest haven’t realized is that their Bradley Troubles have already started. The interviews he’s given just since he’s been in Peoria are just the prelude, the overture to yet another Bradley Experience. A few of them are already lamenting that he even spoke, and those are the ones who will end up being prescient. As far as Bradley being good, he’s already peaked, all you LL lurkers. It’s not that we hope it will happen, we actually hope it won’t. We’d like to see him find his inner peace and become a productive ballplayer for years to come in one place. But he won’t. He can’t. He doesn’t have it in him.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Mar 10, 2010 8:38 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
I understand your point
but a lot of the people that said give him a chance last season said that after the deal was done. Most people would not have wanted him signed but once the deal was done, there wasn’t much to do except hope that it worked out.
This is why
for the life of me and many others, why and the hell was Bradley was signed in the first place. The guy is just not worth it. We could debate how good of a ballplayer he is, I feel he is not because of his constant health issues that keeps him from being on the field, regardless of his negative attitude.
There are people on this earth that take no responsibility for there actions no matter the circumstance, Milton is one. He is just a human pain in the ass. Hendry screwed up royally by signing him. However it is about time Hendry said something in the defense of the Cubs and the city of Chicago.
Good luck Seattle, it is only a matter of time. We may have a 6.00 ERA starter, but you have Milton.
This guy got it right
I didn’t think he looked bad either, but then I read the article afterwards.
In the video the reporter was definitely pushing Bradley down a line he was uncomfortable with, like the repeated question if he thought the letters came from the Cubs Front Office. Then if you read the article underneath the video, it has Jim Hendry blasting back at him.
"That couldn’t be farther from the truth," Hendry said. "I think it’s time maybe Milton looked at himself in the mirror. It is what it is. He didn’t swing the bat; he didn’t get the job done. His production was the only negative, or lack of."
Call me crazy, but it looks as if ESPN was setting Bradley up for this story.
by Jaejo on Mar 10, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN is trying to make Bradley look like the victim here. Much easier to make one man look good than an organization
"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck
Remember this about ESPN
ESPN is the same garbage spewing network that did a whole thing how Chicago only likes Brian Urlacher at that time arguably one of the top defensive players in the game because he is white.
Formerly known as cubstoseriesby100. Thanks Al for letting me change my outdated screenname.
And they did the thing on Bartman.
And they try to expose Michael Jordan as an awful human being a lot (granted, he has some gambling issues and family problems, but it is a SPORTS NETWORK———not Dr. Phil Network).
A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
The problem is that at the end of the day, sports have an impact on our lives
But they really don’t effect us other than from an emotional standpoint. They are meant for entertainment. When there are only so many games and so many ways to say that Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, and Paul Pierce are the greatest basketball players evar OMGZ you need some other stuff to mix it up. So you go more in depth. We idolize our athletes and thus want to know more about them. Unfortunately you get a lot of stories like Tiger Woods and Michael Jordan and Allen Iverson.
"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck
This is a perfect response by Hendry and Lou
basically, it’s a “shut the hell up!”
This is the year...
Yep. Hendry said it perfectly.
And Lou made it very clear that he does not care about Evil MB. Not one bit.
A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
this title gave me the most amazing idea for a movie series..
ill call one part “JIM HENDRY STRIKES BACK” and the most memorable scene will be when hendry says “Blouke, I am your father!”
Tribune writer David Hough got it right...this is a great article:
A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
That's an outstanding column and 100% correct.
Thanks for posting the link.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
No problem.
I really enjoyed it too. There were a few parts in the article that just made me smile and made me that much prouder to be from Chicago.
A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
Kudos to David.
Another thing I like about Hough is when on CTL doesn’t let Kaplan tell him how he should think.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
YES
Kaplan tries to steam roll anyone on his show, and sadly not enough push back. I wish Kaplan was replaced on the show
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seriously
can everyone just stop talking about milton bradley and the cubs? its over! move on, she doesnt like you anymore!! theres plenty of other fish in the sea
I'd love to.
But when he keeps ripping on Cubs fans, Cubs management and the city of Chicago, it IS our business.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Exactly.
I’ve tried my best to leave the situation alone too. But when he comes out in an ESPN interview on national TV and rips the city of Chicago and the Cubs? It become personal. I don’t put up with that crap in my life, and I’m glad Jim Hendry stood up for the organization and Chicago as well.
A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
Howard Griffith on CTL tonight
Not a baseball guy, but he had a good perspective. He talked about the sillyness he faced at Illinois as he was breaking Red Grange’s rushing record. Basically he said you don’t let the actions/words of a few define you, or control you. You still owe it to yourself to go out and do your best.
I am not a big fan of Dan Bernstine on The Score, but he was spot on for awhile today. Where are the journalists in Chicago? MB keeps making these accusations, including the ones about his child facing racism. Hasn’t anyone tracked down his claims. I am certain MB used a pricey, private preschool. I’ll bet they’d go on the record in order to defend their school from these accusations. If he received death threats why hasn’t anyone asked who he reported them to? A death threat is serious stuff, but if he didn’t report them there should be a pointed follow up question as to what kind of proof he has.
For now, the media just seems content to let the allegations fly to generate some buzz. The truth is MB just didn’t produce on the field.
Sheesh
I initially supported the signing of Bradley. And I do think he has a point about racism among a certain segment of the Cubs’ fan base.
But he’s just too far over the top. Shut up already and play.
Bravo to Hendry for saying enough’s enough.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Mar 10, 2010 11:20 PM CST reply actions
Shut up already and play.
Applies to others in baseball, and quite a few people in the NFL (see Ladainian Tomlinson, Terrell Owens, Chad Johnson, etc.)
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 12, 2010 12:41 AM CST up reply actions
Put Schilling in that category as well
"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck
This has nothing to do with racism.
For many, many years, the Cubs were viewed as “the lovable losers”. After the “five outs from the World Series” in 03, the Cubs fandom changed from accepting futility to expecting to win.
If any player did not produce to the best of their ability, they were subject to cricism from fans, no matter what their race, color, or creed. All they expect is to give a good effort when you cross the white lines. Jacque Jones did not, LaTroy Hawkins did not. They were confused with the boo’s they recieved to becoming a racial issue. Why can’t they just realize that the boo’s were not racial, but because they sucked on the field when their team needed them the most.
BS
I won’t get into the racial comments but Jacque Jones gave the effort. His numbers were inline with what knowledgeable Cubs fans should have expected. For anyone to think he was going to become Andre Dawson in right field just because he signed a free agent deal with the Cubs really has no clue about baseball.
Jacque
Yeah, I never really understood why people gave Jones so much crap. Yes, he started off batting .111 and yes, his consistently threw 8-hoppers past the cutoff man.
But he tried, and tried hard. Never heard him complain or blame anyone else. From my brief dealings with him, he was a good teammate and good man.
Being disappointed in a player’s production is one thing, but the strange hate for Jacque Jones is just weird.
"You’re playing a baseball game. You’re not playing Tiddlywinks. There is competition, for God’s sake."— Lou Piniella
I honestly think it bothered people that he was always smiling.
To me, that was a sign of inner strength of character, that he was out there having fun playing a kid’s game. For some who were particularly outraged by a bad AB or a muffed play or baserunning gaffe, to see him smile about it afterward probably set them off even more, as if he was suggesting an “oh, well” attitude with his demeanor. They wanted him to take it as seriously as they did.
I was always sort of proud of the guy for letting stuff roll off him, even when an idiot nearly drilled him with a baseball thrown from the stands.
"There's more to life than profits...like, you know, slurpees and stuff." ~Randy Marsh
Rick Morrissey nails it in this morning’s column.
And I don’t often agree 100% with Morrissey, either. This time, he got it 100% right.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Ugh...fail on my part not hitting the reply button...
please see reply below
A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
Kudos to Morrisey and Hough for their articles, but...
forgive me for asking because I haven’t been in Chicago for a while, but when did Morrisey start writing for the Sun Times?
A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
April 23, 24 and 25 & July 26, 27, 28 and 29.
Those will be the Mariners’ two appearances in Chicago this year, to play the White Sox at the Cell.
It’ll be real interesting to hear the reaction to MB when he plays there.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
This is a well-travelled comment
Are you posting them in these threads all at the same time? Because that would be kind of cool.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Mar 11, 2010 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
No, I didn't do that.
I posted it manually in each thread — figured not everyone is reading all of them, but did figure anyone interested in this topic would want to know.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Do you have the ability to do so?
Like a bat-signal? I suspect not, but it would be cool.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Mar 11, 2010 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
I rarely write letters of complaint
But this is the 2nd BRUTAL piece of journalism by ESPN this week. One of their asshat ESPNOutdoors writers, who may as well have advertised my name and office number, wrote an inflammatory editorial that was SO bad that the editor had to issue a rewrite and a statement defending himself as well as the writer.
The MB interview was just stupidity. The woman interviewing him was just oh so proud of herself for leading him into saying silliness.
I hope to see my letter in an Ombudsman entry in the near future.
"You’re playing a baseball game. You’re not playing Tiddlywinks. There is competition, for God’s sake."— Lou Piniella
and this
is why bradley always gets himself in trouble. his big fat mouth. sounds like his attitude has not changed much from his last 8 stops.
At this point,
Even though he is no longer on the Cubs, MB is still going to be a divisive presence. Look at what happened to this thread.
It even drew me in, a mistake on my part. At this point, MB is going to be a dividing presence until a long time goes without him saying anything about the Cubs or the Cubs (or anyone here) saying anything about him.
Enough is enough. Please, no more MB posts, which, in turn, leads to fewer arguments like the one above involving poloplaya and a number of other posters.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
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