Cubs Lose To Brewers, But Wait! There's More! - Cubs vs. White Sox at Las Vegas, Friday 3/12, 9:05 CT
by Al Yellon on Mar 12, 2010 4:42 PM CST
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Even without last Sunday's rainout, the Cubs and White Sox will meet four times this spring -- more than usual these days with 15 teams in the Cactus League. Two of them will occur tonight and tomorrow afternoon in Las Vegas. The preview for that game is after the jump.
Maybe you should go there now. The Brewers jumped all over Jeff Samardzija in the first inning, with ex-Cub Jim Edmonds and Gregg Zaun slamming him for back-to-back homers, and Milwaukee coasted to a 12-3 win before the largest crowd of the spring (7,968) at Maryvale Ballpark (no surprise; the Brewers generally draw best when the Cubs are the visitors).
This doesn't help Shark's bid for the starting rotation. Frankly, I've always thought he was better suited for the bullpen anyway. Strangely enough, in that first inning, he retired the Brewers' two best hitters -- Ryan Braun and Prince Fielder -- before giving up the back-to-back jacks to Edmonds and Zaun. Maybe he was working on something -- pitchers often do that in spring games -- or maybe he's just not going to make it this year. It's worrisome. Let's hope Tom Gorzelanny does better tonight. Also worrisome: Derrek Lee, who was supposed to play today, was held out one more day due to a sore foot after fouling a ball off it a couple of days ago. D-Lee is expected back tomorrow.
Many of the Brewer regulars had departed by mid-game; that left time for Jody Gerut to hit a two-run bomb off Marcos Mateo. Lefty James Russell, making a strong bid for the bullpen, looked pretty good against the Milwaukee subs; Russell has not allowed an earned run so far this spring.
Tyler Colvin, also making a strong case for himself, singled, tripled, scored a run and drove in another. He's making it real tough for management to send him to Iowa.
I really enjoyed listening to Bob Uecker call the game today via MLB Audio. Uecker, who turned 75 in January, still sounds like he's at the top of his game and enjoying baseball. He's one of the best in the business.
Interestingly, while Alan Trammell will manage the Cubs tonight and tomorrow in Las Vegas while Lou Piniella stays in Arizona, Ozzie Guillen will come to Vegas to lead the White Sox. Carlos Torres, who threw seven shutout innings against the Cubs at Wrigley Field last September 3, will start for the Sox against Cubs lefty Tom Gorzelanny.
Tonight's game is on CSN Chicago (with Len & Bob), so you should be able to see it if you have MLB.TV. It's also on the White Sox flagship radio station, WSCR. Here's the complete MLB.com Mediacenter for today, although this is the only night game for tonight, and as you'll see if you go to the link, all of the Florida games were rained out today.
First pitch thread will post at 9 pm CST. An overflow thread will post at 10:15 CST. Recap will be posted tomorrow morning.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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That was quick - the game seemed to take forever
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
@Twitter as @brommmietze
Where did Russell pitch last season?
He has been doing a good job.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
Russell...
… spent half of last year at Double-A, half at Triple-A. He is the son of former major leaguer Jeff Russell.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
1.48 WHIP in Iowa
Nice emergency option if needed.
Starters are a real concern
It’s very early, but troubling so far at the back end of the rotation. This team will need to score a lot of runs in order to win consistently. Well, at least until Lilly gets back.
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@ eths:
Thank you so much for your PBP in today’s game. Guten nacht!
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 12, 2010 4:54 PM CST reply actions
You are very welcome - I can read it tomorrow and find out what happened... ;-)
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you're the best!!
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 12, 2010 5:00 PM CST up reply actions
BTW: I think this is where BABIP Kittens got their start
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2009/8/28/1005014/overflow-thread-1-cubs-vs-mets#20362029
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
@Twitter as @brommmietze
LOL.....I remember that thread! I think I was lurking there in Aug.....I remember laughing hysterically at that....
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 12, 2010 5:19 PM CST up reply actions
What does "BABIP" mean?
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 12, 2010 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
Batting Average on Balls In Play
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batting_average_on_balls_in_play
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Got it.
Thanks, Clutch.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 12, 2010 6:23 PM CST up reply actions
Despite being a fan of the Cubs system,
most of my ‘research’ is online/visual. Hence, my pronounciations are spotty at best.
Ueck said “do-lis”
Cory and the PA guy said “dough-lease”
I’m guessing 2-out-fo-3 are right on pronouncing Rafael’s last name.
Guess hack pronounciators
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
@Twitter as @brommmietze
Guess hack radio announcers.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 12, 2010 5:06 PM CST up reply actions
Stray idea ...
Braden Looper? He’s still available. Could be another guy in the mix for the last starter spot OR the pen. Maybe a Calero-style, non-guaranteed deal?
Awful.
He was awful last year. Led the NL in ER and HR allowed. Had a 1.49 WHIP. What is it in him that you see? And why is it that we have to sign everyone else’s scraps? There are several kids in camp who are doing quite well. I’d stick with that plan.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I hadn't looked at Looper's stats.
Was just doing that. I’ll agree with you here.
As for “everybody else’s scraps,” sometimes that works — Reed Johnson, Jim Edmonds, etc.
Sometimes, yes.
Maybe more so with position players than pitchers.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Hmmm ...
I’d have to think about that before I agree or disagree. To a point, aren’t most (or many) free agents other team’s scraps? Couldn’t Xavier Nady and Marlon Byrd be described as scraps?
Depending on who you ask,
Carlos Silva might also fit into that group.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 12, 2010 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
debris
"The roar from the crowd really fired me up," Burish said. "In warmups there were a lot of signs. One said 'Burish, my grandma is pregnant.' I don't know what that means. I skated by it and said, 'it's not mine.' "
by jesus christos on Mar 12, 2010 6:39 PM CST up reply actions
another thought on this ...
Is it possible that more position players are released more often because teams can carry only (say) two second baseman, as opposed to 12 pitchers?
If true, it would seem to validate the better-position-players-on-the-scrap-pile argument.
Quick minor Colvin correction
The Cubs can’t send Tyler Colvin to Iowa “again” because he’s never played for the I-Cubs. He went straight from AA to the majors last season.
You're right.
I’ll fix it.
Unrelated note: the Cubs are the “home” team in tonight’s game.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
thank god
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 12, 2010 5:29 PM CST up reply actions
Somewhere Sean Marshall is thinking
WTF do I have to do for Lou to let me START?
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
Outshine Ted Lilly, Carlos Zambrano, and Randy Wells would be my guess.
I agree, he should be starting as a higher-ranked pitcher on this team.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 12, 2010 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
why wouldn't he just have to outshine Tom Gorzelanny and Carlos Silva?
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Mar 12, 2010 8:01 PM CST up reply actions
He may have already done that.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 12, 2010 8:37 PM CST up reply actions
Somewhere Sean Marshall is thinking...
… “I just have to wait till tomorrow when I’m starting against the Reds in Mesa.”
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
OT: Has anyone heard about Merlin Olsen,
Former LA Rams defensive lineman and member of the “Fearsome Foursome”?
Died yesterday.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 12, 2010 5:56 PM CST reply actions
Not likely...
Maybe he was working on something — pitchers often do that in spring games
Veterans that have a spot in the rotation locked up “work on something”. Guys desperately trying to prove they deserve a shot bring their best every time out, and don’t experiment.
I think you’re right Al when you say he belongs in the pen…assuming he has decent control.
Scott Bora$ is satan.
by Canadian Cubs Fan on Mar 12, 2010 5:58 PM CST reply actions
The only problem
With going to the ’pen is he might not come out of it.
See David Patton from last year, who spent most of the year taking up space, forgotten in the ’pen.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 12, 2010 6:02 PM CST up reply actions
If he pitches like he has lately, I'm perfectly fine with him not coming out of it
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Mar 12, 2010 8:02 PM CST up reply actions
Jim Hendry has a special agenda with Jeff Samardizija
Since day one of drafting him and dishing out a ridiculous signing bonus Jim Hendry has adopted a different set of rules for the guy. Peel back the hype from being a two-sport star at Notre Dame and you are left with the makings of a mediocre at best middle relief pitcher.
This is YET ANOTHER reason to be so very down on Jim Hendry. He dismisses objective analysis all the time in favor of the subjective.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Jim has a different set of rules with him?
Your proof of this is…?
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 12, 2010 6:43 PM CST up reply actions
for one, the fact that he has a no-trade clause
name another minor leaguer in the Cubs organization with that deal
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Mar 12, 2010 8:03 PM CST up reply actions
I must admit that the love affair between Spellcheck and the Cub fandom
is a bit confusing. He has yet to show much in either his starting or relief appearances. His first year has by far been his best. We know that he can throw hard, but he has yet to show any ability to get major league hitters out on a consistent basis. I don’t like to write a guy off so early in his career, but so far there has been a lot of hype and not a lot of results.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Mar 12, 2010 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
agree
I was at his start vs, Phillies last year. Not good. From what I’ve seen of him, he has very little change of speed and all his pitches stay on nearly the same plane.
Until/unless he develops a breaking ball or other off speed pitch, he should not pitch in the major leagues.
The journey is the reward!
Just like I wonder who would start in RF if Colvin and Dome made the same money.....
Dome has the experience but I don’t think it would it would be a sure thing for him.
Well, granted, they are paying him a lot of money.
So, they’re giving him every chance to succeed. Today wasn’t very good. I would like to see him tried in relief.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I'd like to see him tried in Iowa
and if he actually performs there for a period of time, THEN bring him up.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Mar 12, 2010 8:06 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed on Uecker.
This was the first time I ever listened to him. Really enjoyed the broadcast….well except for the losing part. You know what I mean.
"Chicago Cubs baseball is on the air."-Pat Hughes
soooo...how ya doing?
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 12, 2010 7:22 PM CST up reply actions
Well,
I didn’t go fishing yet. :) So nice to get outside.
"Chicago Cubs baseball is on the air."-Pat Hughes
Going outside clears the head
if you do go fishin, watch out for those big mouthed b_sses! Just ignore those. Its hard, but I know I’m going to be more aware of them. They’re a stubborn, unrelentless bunch, and I dont want them to get the best of me….then they win. glad you’re feeling better.
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 13, 2010 7:46 AM CST up reply actions
I'm going to miss the second SS game tonight,
As I have to go to sleep early because I will be getting up early in the morning to go to work at 7 AM.
So good night everyone, and GO CUBS GO!
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 12, 2010 8:56 PM CST reply actions
nighty night Vermont...sweet dreams of WS wins!
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 12, 2010 8:58 PM CST up reply actions
Whens the thread start???
Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.
when the game starts? how does it run when its on tv....Ive only been on eths game threads
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 12, 2010 8:59 PM CST up reply actions
where is the jump
im lost AUGH
Sunday Feb 28 at 7 PM CST free webcast of the live taping of The Austin Variety Show www.austinvarietyshow.com/
who are you
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 12, 2010 9:00 PM CST up reply actions
i am me, who are you?
Sunday Feb 28 at 7 PM CST free webcast of the live taping of The Austin Variety Show www.austinvarietyshow.com/
I am me too
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 12, 2010 9:01 PM CST up reply actions
You are me too? Whos me one?
Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.
you must be
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 12, 2010 9:02 PM CST up reply actions
i am all alone
here
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2010/3/12/1368811/first-pitch-thread-cubs-vs-white#comments
Sunday Feb 28 at 7 PM CST free webcast of the live taping of The Austin Variety Show www.austinvarietyshow.com/
I've never been in a game thread before. That's why I don't know anything about where....
….the jump is and when it will start.
Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.
why do we have to jump
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 12, 2010 9:03 PM CST up reply actions
Theriot on TV
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
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