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Paul Sullivan: The Miracle Worker

As in, it's a miracle this guy's still working. Quoth Paul:

Because of circumstances beyond his control, Tyler Colvin is blocked in right field until 2012, in center field until 2013 and in left field until 2015.

Poor Tyler Colvin and his .318 OBP in nearly 1200 Double-A plate appearances. When will he ever get a legitimate shot to prove himself?*

* Keep in mind that this is the same Paul Sullivan who wrote on August 25, 2007:

(Felix) Pie has not been able to translate the success he has enjoyed at Triple A to the Cubs, despite being given several opportunities. He hit .362 at Iowa but came into Friday's game hitting .217 in three stints with the Cubs, including a .121 average against left-handers.

Pie's "several opportunities" at that time amounted to a grand total of 174 plate appearances spread over five months when he was 22. For what it's worth, in Pie's one half-season in Double-A, he put up a .304/.349/.554 (BA/OBP/SLG) line as a 20-year-old. Colvin's composite AA line (over his age 21-23 seasons): .276/.318/.461.

Look, I know the same Colvin-related pap appeared on the Cubs site, but does Sullivan really have to gorge at whatever trough the Cubs put in front of him? Given their inexplicable compulsion to become more lefthanded -- to the extent that they traded away a versatile, relatively-inexpensive fan favorite so they could pay $24 million for one season of Milton Bradley -- does he actually believe that if anyone within the Cubs thought Colvin had a shot at being a starter in the majors that he wouldn't have been given a chance? If Colvin had previously performed well -- and I'm relatively certain his performance would have to be categorized largely as a circumstance within his control -- the Cubs wouldn't have felt the need to sign that centerfielder to a 3-year deal. In theory at least.

The only people who still believe in Colvin as a prospect are the ones within the organization still defiantly standing behind their reach-pick of him in the 2006 draft. Apparently Sullivan -- who's previously shown a bizarre preoccupation with fellow great-tools-middling-results draftee Jeff Samardzija -- only looks at signing bonus when evaluating a minor leaguer.

The perception of Colvin as a non-prospect isn't just my own. This crazy site -- put together by some magnificent bastard who divined that ranking the top-2000 prospects in baseball would generate a whole lot of traffic/publicity for his little blog -- has Colvin listed as the 915th-best prospect in all of baseball. And if you prefer reputable sources, Baseball America doesn't have Colvin in their Cubs top-10. Nor does ESPN.com's Keith Law, and Colvin's not on Baseball Prospectus' top-15, either. And John Sickels ranked him as the Cubs 19th-best prospect -- keep in mind that the Cubs system is more top-heavy than deep -- and graded him as a C, saying, "He made some progress last year but looks more like a fourth outfielder/extra bat than a future starter to me."

Well, of course Sickels, he has to be a fourth outfielder: Because of circumstances beyond his control, he's hopelessly blocked!

*****

Now even if Colvin played Franklin Gutierrez/Willie Mays/Andruw Jones-40-pounds-ago caliber defense in centerfield -- unlikely given that BA named Sam Fuld the best defensive outfielder in the Cubs' system -- as of now his bat just will not play at the major league level. Courtesy of this site, I found these slash stat projections for Colvin as a Cub this season:

BA OBP SLG
Bill James .264 .303 .424
CAIRO .242 .289 .398
CHONE .258 .300 .407
PECOTA .258 .302 .424
ZiPS .249 .287 .394
AVG .254 .296 .409

Now granted, those numbers are on par with the Cubs' $17-million-a-year-until-he-turns-62 leftfielder, but in general that is not starting-caliber production. Speaking of which:

Long-terms contracts to Kosuke Fukudome, Marlon Byrd and Alfonso Soriano, respectively, have clogged the outfield picture for the foreseeable future.

With the possible exception of Soriano -- and I exclude him only because Jim Hendry seems wholly unable to grasp the concept of a sunk cost -- none of those guys are blocking Colvin; Colvin's lack of production is. Besides, in the Cubs' eyes, this is make-or-break time for Fukudome. If he doesn't produce this season, they likely will eat his contract next year, either paying someone to take him or moving him for someone else's onerous deal -- Hey, Milton Bradley will still have a year left. We gotta get more lefthanded! And Byrd is making "only" $16.5 million over the next three years; believe me, if the Cubs have a hot-shot prospect forcing his way into the lineup, ol' Marlon will not be an impediment.

Actually, the Cubs just might have such a prospect, only his name is Brett Jackson (No. 2 by Law and BA, No. 3 by Sickels, No. 4 by BP). Jackson, incidentally, is never mentioned in this article either because A) Nobody with the Cubs has felt the need to pump him up to Sullivan, since people who actually know what they're talking about are already saying he's a legit prospect; or B):

Colvin, a first-round pick in 2006, has been one of the most impressive players in Cubs camp, hitting .556 after going 2-for-3 with a triple in Friday's 12-3 loss to Milwaukee.

Wow, in a whole 18 plate appearances! In other news, if Derrek Lee can just get 600 PAs in 2010, he will undoubtedly shatter Barry Bonds' single-season record with the first-ever 100-home-run season, because he has two homers in 12 spring training trips to the plate.

The Cubs project Colvin as a corner outfielder and he figures to take over in right when Fukudome's contract ends after 2011. But he has been playing center most of the spring and could make the team as a fifth outfielder.

If anyone in the Cubs' hierarchy really thinks that Colvin's bat will ever play in a corner outfield spot, seriously just shoot me now and get it over with.

Could the Cubs get Colvin enough playing time as a reserve outfielder, or is he better off going to Triple-A, where he would play regularly? A week ago, the answer was easy.

But suddenly Colvin has jumped into the picture.

For the love of God, Sully -- and I call you Sully because I feel like we've really bonded over the course of this post -- please don't tell me the Cubs are evaluating personnel based on a week of stats put up against mostly non-major-league pitchers who aren't even in game shape yet. I mean, there's only so much I can take.

The Cubs are expected to send a dozen or so players to minor-league camp early next week, but Colvin is likely to stay a little longer. He bulked up in the offseason, and it's paying off. ...

Colvin was on his way to play in Mexico before the Cubs asked him if he wanted to take the offseason off and train with strength coach Tim Buss at the Cubs complex in Mesa, Ariz. Calling it a "no-brainer," Colvin put on 25 pounds through lifting and "eating my fiance's cooking every night."

Two questions: 1. Was his fiance cooking HGH? 2. Is her maiden name Conte? If the answer to both of these is no, then forget it. Because unless what he's done can actually enhance his performance instead of just increasing his bulk, Colvin still will not be a productive major leaguer.

Look, I don't want to wish ill on Colvin; still, I'd prefer he sustain a good performance -- I don't know, for a prolonged period of time, maybe. In, let's say, games that actually count -- before we start lamenting his not-really-all-that-blocked path to big-league stardom.

But if the Cubs are making decisions based on a single week's performance then this organization is in more trouble than even I believed, and they're going to have to do more than just replace GM Jim Hendry; they'll need to bring in some sort of miracle worker.

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I’m sure glad Pie hasn’t caught on with another MLB team and shown he can actually play…

I think McPhail can actually say he got the best of the Cubs on that one.

by zam on Mar 14, 2010 8:07 AM CDT reply actions  

The most painful part of the Pie deal....

….is that it was just one move in Hendry’s 2-year, 13-step plan to get Aaron Heilman.

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by D98 on Mar 14, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nope - including that

I thought the Conte joke was completely tongue in cheek and I found it amusing. As far as HGH insinuation goes, welcome to the steroid era. It’s not over. And if someone adds 25 pounds (good pounds, not 2009 Geo Soto pounds), then suspicions are certainly legitimate.

by Holtzmaniac on Mar 14, 2010 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Of course you know

HGH does nothing to improve athletic performance, and that’s not even controversial.

by Josh Timmers on Mar 14, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

On Sullivan, good points

On Colvin, your analysis is accurate. But there are a couple of reasons for optimism. First, he had surgery after the 2008 season. His 2009 stats were better in the second half, and may reflect improved health. Second, he was drafted as a player who had not yet filled out and gained all his power. Third, he has at least talked about developing more patience.

You’re right that his low OBA means he may never be a good starting outfielder in the majors. And if he DOES improve to where he could put up an .800 OPS, the Cubs would find a way to play him. But I’ll be watching him in AAA this year with some hope for his progress.

Fontenot (fon-te-no): Cajun for "scrappy"

by cubzfan on Mar 14, 2010 9:08 AM CDT reply actions  

Blob a Bull?

???

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 14, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Haha

I blame daylight savings for stealing an hour of my sleep.

Blog a Bull.

by madcow256 on Mar 14, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well-said...

That article was just really poorly done. Not well thought out, not well researched. The guy hasn’t in any way shown he’s ready to be a major leaguer (perhaps partly due to surgery in 2008, which delayed his progression some) this year. And if he does somehow show he’s ready to be a major league starter by next year (which is really unlikely), the Cubs will certainly be able to find a way to make room for him. And if he’s not ready by next year, then he’ll be a 26-year old competing for Fukudome’s vacated spot in RF in the spring of 2012.

It’s just a mindless fluff piece on a kid who has had a nice start to spring training.

by SouthernCub on Mar 14, 2010 9:46 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Depending on the D, Colvin could push Byrd over to RF too

But I agree with you. He’s not blocked. He’s a candidate for one of the backup OF spots at this point, and little more. If he has another strong year in the minors, we’ll reevaluate next season.

by madcow256 on Mar 14, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I like the way you’ve summed up the situation.

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by daver on Mar 15, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did the picture above really compare Peyton Manning

to a 4th OF in reality (Dome) and a past his prime, broken down LF (Soriano) ?

Give the kid a break! He worked in the offseason to improve himself just like Soto did. They both look better and are playing well.

If he is better than either player he should be starting. Their paychecks should not have anything to do with the lineup. But of course I know it does and not just with the Cubs…..

by TJ11 on Mar 14, 2010 10:43 AM CDT reply actions  

No

It was intended to compare Tyler Colvin to Jim Sorgi.

by MrSportsKnowItAll.com on Mar 14, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right, and the people Manning are compared to are the Cubs OF blocking his path.

Not valid……Dome and Soriano are not that good and Manning is one of the best in the history of football at QB. I get your idea, but its not close to being the same.

If Fukudome and Soriano had the same contracts as Colvin, who do you believe would have the edge on the starting jobs?

by TJ11 on Mar 14, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is." -- Yogi Berra

by vonde6 on Mar 14, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

rec'd

Even though Sorgi is a Badger!

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by Shanghai Badger on Mar 14, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL!

OK I don't know shit about basketball.

by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST

by sue369 on Mar 14, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Zing!!!!!

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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Mar 14, 2010 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

LMAO

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 15, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well played, sir.

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by AndrewJStone on Mar 15, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

The point of yout rant

I agree with. Sullivan’s article is sloppy. It reads like a guy trying to fill space, until the season starts. But among the junk is a point that is worth talkin about. IF (huge if) Colvin has transformed into Hobbs or Jackson is ready, we have 4 OF with big contracts in the way.

by GHCF2314 on Mar 14, 2010 10:52 AM CDT reply actions  

Should we leave one OF spot open every year hoping a minor leaguer turns into a superstar, against the odds?

If Vitters somehow defies expectations makes huge gains this season, he’s blocked by Ramirez and Lee too. That’s baseball.

by madcow256 on Mar 14, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

four?

What is the 4th?

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Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Mar 14, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Umm... we actually only have 3 OF with contracts in the way...

one of those guys (Fukudome) won’t be in the way by the time Jackson is ready. Another of the guys doesn’t really have that big of a contract and could be traded or (worst-case scenario) benched if necessary (Byrd).

by SouthernCub on Mar 14, 2010 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Colvin is not blocked...

It’s been discussed here before but if Cubs decide to not resign DLee next year and Soriano’s legs won’t allow him to safely play in LF…you know who could be our new 1B for years to come.

Just speculation, nothing I really want to see but the reality is that could legitimately happen.

by ak123 on Mar 14, 2010 10:58 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm also not saying Colvin should start in 2011

I really haven’t had a chance to see him play but it was more that I really don’t think LF is “blocked” until 2015 for that reason.

by ak123 on Mar 14, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow.

I’m picturing Soriano doing his hop at first base.

I don’t think we’ll ever see Zo playing first

Come visit me inside Wrigley along the Addison side mezzanine fence straight up from 1st base.

by section229beer on Mar 14, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

It haunts my dreams.

PAT: "Hot shot to third, Ramirez gloves it, fires to Soriano, and

RON: AW GEEZ

PAT: “…and he did it AGAIN! Soriano hops off the bag! Ron, have you ever seen anything like this? And now we have runners at the corners, and still only 1 out….”

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by D98 on Mar 14, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

RON: Why the heck is he doing that? Doggone it Patrick, I wish he could keep his foot on the bag!

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"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Mar 14, 2010 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol...perfect

"Nady and his weak beard steps in" --Cubbie-Tim on Mar 12, 2010 9:53 PM

by cooliogirl47 on Mar 15, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

The tone and sarcasm in your post

makes it seem like your biggest beef is that Sullivan is paid for his opinions and you aren’t.

Whatever you think of his overall point/thesis, its no less absurd for you to say Colvin is a hopeless failure that couldn’t possibly have turned a corner in his career. As Sullivan’s article notes, quite reasonably, he (a) bulked up his frame in the offseason, and (b) his manager, Lou, says that it’s had a noticeable effect on his swing. Those are perfectly reasonable grounds for a baseball columnist in a local paper to use as the basis for a column talking about Colvin’s future prospects.

by Orval Overall on Mar 14, 2010 11:36 AM CDT reply actions  

That's precisely my beef with Sullivan

But would you please point out the section in which I say Colvin is a hopeless failure? All I intended to convey was that given his minor-league track record, he should probably have more than 18 (or his current 23) spring-training plate appearances before we start talking about him as a legitimate big-leaguer.

by MrSportsKnowItAll.com on Mar 14, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, its your forum so use it how you please

But to me, the tinge of jealousy is more than apparent and detracts from the post.

As for Colvin being hopeless, I was referring to this passage. Doesnt seem to leave a lot of wiggle room: “The only people who still think that Colvin is a prospect are the ones within the organization still defiantly standing behind their reach-pick of him in the 2006 draft. …
The view of Colvin as a non-prospect isn’t limited to me by any means…”

by Orval Overall on Mar 14, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or maybe I should put it this way:

Fire Joe Morgan first invented, then perfected, this style of dissecting bad sports journalism. When they did it, it was fresh, funn, and often very insightful. Now it seems everyone from Deadspin to KSK to here, considers it obligatory to do an “FJM-style” rant whenever they come across an opinion they don’t like. Its just bloggers-vs-establishment warfare, and I just think its tedious. I think most of us are here because we enjoy reading and talking about baseball. This is really just slamming a journalist, which I think is tedious.

Just my opinion, however. I see several others have rec’d it so no doubt different opinions abound…

by Orval Overall on Mar 14, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Fair enough

To be honest, this isn’t necessarily my typical fare; my furor is more frequently towards the organization, not those covering it. But I do think that beat reporters should feel obligated to make themselves informed, and all too often they are not. As you might have guessed from my dusting off of a two-and-a-half-year-old quote from Sullivan, I’m not a fan of his work, and I believe it was largely his unfair and premature assessment of Felix Pie that caused the tidal wave of statistically-unfounded he’s-a-bust opinion. So I will take shots at him when he leaves himself open.

As for my opinion of Colvin… My use of non-prospect was meant to convey that he doesn’t project to be a league-average regular. That does not not mean that he won’t be a major league player, just that most evaluators and/or projection systems don’t think he’ll be a particular good one. Which is what made Sullivan’s lamentations seem so absurd to me in the first place.

by MrSportsKnowItAll.com on Mar 14, 2010 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bingo.

You nailed it on the, as you called it “bloggers vs. establishment” warfare. It gets tiring. I would love for people that slam journalists to do their jobs for a good 3 months, then get back to me.

That said, I did get a chuckle out of this post.

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by Canadian Cubs Fan on Mar 21, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Your disdain for Colvin is clear

so why deny it when called on it?

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by lookingdeadred on Mar 15, 2010 7:50 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

That is exactly what I think as well.

I think his name is correct, to him anyways….

by TJ11 on Mar 15, 2010 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

As Sullivan’s article notes, quite reasonably, he (a) bulked up his frame in the offseason, and (b) his manager, Lou, says that it’s had a noticeable effect on his swing.

Perhaps, but it is Spring Training and these tend to go along with He is in the Best Shape of his Life! articles. How often do you see articles in the spring titled “Established Slugger’s Swing All Messed Up” or “Pitcher Has New Lousy Pitch?”

Colvin may have a better season, but the Cubs would still be smart to be very suspicious of him until he does more than half a solid season as a AA-repeater.

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by D.Szymborski on Mar 15, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Back Away From the Ledge

Before somebody like me pushes you off.

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

by WayneCampbell08 on Mar 14, 2010 12:25 PM CDT reply actions  

But getting pushed off the ledge

Is exactly what I’m waiting for; I don’t have the cajones to just jump.

by MrSportsKnowItAll.com on Mar 14, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Allow me to join in the chorus.

Welcome to BCB, MSKIA. This is some funny stuff.

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by D98 on Mar 14, 2010 4:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed.

The title doesn’t really even have that much to do with the post. Thanks for some laffs.

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by Al Yellon on Mar 14, 2010 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Very well done article

And its true…Colvin needs some more time to prove himself. No reason to get your panties bunched up in a wad.

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by ChiCubsFever on Mar 15, 2010 1:38 AM CDT reply actions  

You are doing it wrong.

“It really sucks that i’m “blocked” by several people from becoming the president of my company. It doesn’t matter that i’m 26 and have no established history of successfully running a business, or that i have only a fraction of the experience necessary to do so, or that i’ve yet to fully grasp the finer points of how the thing works… basically, screw the fact that i’m less qualified – i’m going to insist that they just keep that old fart around because he’s paid more, and that i should be running the show!"

You are missing the ENTIRE point of this thing, which i guess we should be used to, in your case. I just wonder if its a real disconnect, or if you do so on purpose to get people excited.

Who, exactly, is Colvin better than that is blocking him at this point? Because until we can establish that he would produce better than anybody else playing more regularly – and to this point, the overwhelming evidence seems to point to us not being able to do so – the complaint that its “unfortunate” that Colvin is / could be / may someday be blocked is pointless.

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by AndrewJStone on Mar 15, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

What does Blocked mean?

I think many people are misunderstanding Paul Sullivan’s use of the term blocked. In that article he was not referring to being blocked by talent level. Sullivan was referring to being blocked by contract status. The Cubs have big contracts in the outfield and they are not going to start Colvin over Soriano, Byrd, or Fukudome.

If you could drop Soriano and his contract right now and play Colvin in LF instead, would you? I think a lot of people would say yes. More for freeing up money than for talent level.

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by RiskyBusiness on Mar 15, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly what I am saying. Andrew is too busy trying to make fun to fully grasp anything.

If someone could take Soriano away right now I would do it in a heartbeat. If that meant getting playing time for a kid, great. If Soriano and Dome were good players this wouldn’t be a conversation worth having.

by TJ11 on Mar 15, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

this conversation

isn’t worth having.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 15, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

As is generally the case with TJ.

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by AndrewJStone on Mar 15, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Andrew...I'm thinking TJ might be young

and like me, is trying really hard to follow how things are here. He has an opinion, and TJ, you have to express it in a certain way not to offend anyone. Everyone needs keeps an open mind to other peoples thoughts. Give him a break now. He’s cool…right TJ?

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by cooliogirl47 on Mar 15, 2010 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fair enough...

… it looks like he DID join in the midst of the Bradley debacle – during which i wasn’t the most popular guy here – so maybe he hasn’t let that whole thing go yet enough to actually respond to my argument with anything beyond a “he’s making fun of me” and then some semi-related point about Soriano.

Its all good. I frankly think i agree with him more than not, i just must have rubbed him wrong in his early days here and have been a little too sunshine and rainbows for him since, and so it goes. Such is life. I shall do my best to ignore him.

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by AndrewJStone on Mar 16, 2010 1:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

btw....

I’m not singling you out or anything…you’re just one of the more reasonable posters here, thus becoming my “go to” guy in this particular situation.

"Nady and his weak beard steps in" --Cubbie-Tim on Mar 12, 2010 9:53 PM

by cooliogirl47 on Mar 16, 2010 7:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Reasonable, eh?

I might quote you on that. I get the impression that some view me as a giant turd in the BCB punch bowl sometimes. :-)

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by AndrewJStone on Mar 16, 2010 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, I don't know about "giant"... ;-)

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by ballhawk on Mar 16, 2010 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

yes, that seems a little grandiose

I love the “turd in the punchbowl” analogy though. This reminds me of The Office (real-life version) of my youth.

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is." -- Yogi Berra

by vonde6 on Mar 16, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hi cooliogirl47

I have definitely gotten that impression from TJ11 before. TJ11 seemed very young to me, and I was looking forward to future birthdays, resulting in a more mature TJ12, TJ13, etc.

However, TJ11 is also one of the most relentlessly negative posters on BCB, and I don’t believe in cutting someone that much slack just because they are the youngest one in the group…the tragedy of low expectations and all that…

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is." -- Yogi Berra

by vonde6 on Mar 16, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hi vonde6

I had a run-in with him in the beginning, and believe it or not TJ was much worse, IMHO. I think he is trying at least to conform here. Long way to go. And you’re right about no excuses….I just had a very brief conversation with him in the game thread yesterday and I felt bad for him. I think he is on his own now and hope he is mature enough to make this site pleasant for himself. thanks for your reply.

"Nady and his weak beard steps in" --Cubbie-Tim on Mar 12, 2010 9:53 PM

by cooliogirl47 on Mar 16, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Vonde6,

You should have seen the tirade that existed between TJ11 and drewishdrewid a couple of months ago.

It went on for several weeks at least. Every time drewishdrewid posted, TJ11 started attacking him in the same thread. Many of us (myself included) asked the two of them to stop, and it never did.

However, I myself have never had a problem with TJ11, so I can not take any shots at him on this blog.

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 16, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

sigh

Yes, I remember that.

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by vonde6 on Mar 16, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

to Andrew and vonde6

I just read said person was 37yrs old…..now that I picked my jaw up off the floor, I take back what I’ve said above…..have at it.

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by cooliogirl47 on Mar 17, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is ridiculous. No one is going to sit an established major leaguer to play

Tyler Colvin at this point in his career. Colvin has had over 1000 ABs at the AA level. He is not being blocked by anyone’s contract. When Fukudome sucked in 2008, he and his contract were relegated to the bench. If Tyler Colvin was tearing up minor league pitching and Byrd or Fukudome were stinking up the joint, Colvin would be given a chance. There are plenty of big contracts sitting on major league benches because they aren’t performing. If Colvin was a really hot commodity, the Cubs would have found a place for him. He’s not being blocked by anything but himself.

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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Mar 15, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

No kidding.... It seems obvious that the Cubs are dying for a Fukudome replacement.

In fact, they actually went out and signed a Fukudome replacement last year. No one is going to say it out loud, but it seems pretty obvious that the organization has basically been looking for a do-over on Dome since about July 2008.

If Colvin tears up the minors this year, you can bet that he’ll be in MLB in short order, and the Cubs have proven once already that they have absolutely no qualms about relegating Dome to the bench.

Of course, Colvin has yet to actually tear up the minors in his brief career, so we’re putting the cart about 2-3 miles in front of the horse by claiming that he’s unfairly blocked from being an MLB starter at this point.

And as an aside, since the Cubs are paying Byrd only marginally more than they’ve paid their varied assortment of bench players over the last 5 years, it stands to reason that they’d have no problem benching Marlon for a hot-hitting Colvin, either.

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by D98 on Mar 15, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

No, the Cubs want Fukudome to do well

This isn’t 2008. Fukudome is only 1 of 2 projected LH starters. He’ll get plenty of chances to succeed. Plus, in the one or two slots, he knows his role – get on base.

A hot Fukudome helps the Cubs a lot and not just on the field. Ask the LAA Angels about their new Japan TV contract because of Matsui.

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by RiskyBusiness on Mar 15, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of course they WANT him to do well.

They just aren’t expecting it, or really counting on it.

I was definitely overstating a bit for effect above – perhaps “the organization seems resigned to the fact that Kosuke isn’t going to be the impact player they paid for” is more appropriate.

And are the Cubs experiencing new Japanese revenue streams thanks to Kosuke? Do we have a lucrative Japanese TV deal? We’re in Year 3 of a 4 year deal. If these sorts of things aren’t happening yet, it seems that they’re unlikely to happen, period.

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by D98 on Mar 15, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I believe the Cubs have gotten some additional revenue from Kosuke's signing.

Didn’t someone post some evidence to that effect recently? It was in one of the many, many Fukudome debates here on BCB.

In any case, I saw something over the weekend about how the Angels are already looking about around $1 million in added revenue from signing Matsui.

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by daver on Mar 15, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure there was any evidence, per se...

… that related directly to the cubs. The debate was that there WAS extra revenue due to his being Japanese, and the evidence provided was from other teams having similar results.

Seems to make sense Dome would be worth SOMETHING to the cubs that most American or Latin players aren’t. The amount of stupid headbands and hats in the bleachers the past couple of years implies that it isn’t insignificant.

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by AndrewJStone on Mar 15, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think that's exagerrating just a bit.

I might have to agree that Milton Bradley was, in some respects, a replacement for Fukudome (without actually replacing him, of course). And I can’t say that I’d completely blame the Cubs for being highly dubious of Kosuke’s bat after he went into that death spiral for most of the latter portion of 2008. But I think Kosuke showed last season that he can be an above average major league hitter for an entire season and the team isn’t desperate to replace him.

And I really don’t think Tyler Colvin is evidence the Cubs are “dying” to replace Kosuke. Wasn’t he drafted in 2006? Doesn’t every organization cultivate minor leaguers to, ideally at least, take over a given position in a starting role? That’s all I see Tyler Colvin as – a talented kid who, if he can get his plate discipline together and maintain the power he’s apparently developed – could be the starting right fielder eventually. Or he could wind up a fourth outfielder.

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by daver on Mar 15, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure. But I definitely didn't point to Colvin as evidence of anything.

The Cubs signed Fukudome to an 8-figure deal with the assumption that he was going to be a great defensive player, and at a minimum, a plus offensive threat.

So far, he’s been below average for his career, and has had multiple prolonged stretches of being completely unusable.

More specifically, Year One was a bit of an unmitigated disaster, especially after May. Going into Year 2, we determined that Dome was a liability as a corner OF bat, spent huge $$ on Dome’s RF replacement, and hoped Dome could play some CF, where the lousy bat could be overlooked. Dome finally showed that “doubles power” that we all heard about, but he was a bit of a disaster defensively, and was still really no great shakes offensively. So, we had to get a new CF, move Dome back to RF, and hope that Byrd is enough of a plus bat in CF to overcome Dome’s below average bat in RF.

So yes, I’m exaggerating to say that the Cubs are “dying” to replace him. I mean, granted, if someone offered the Cubs a low-level prospect and offered to take on Dome’s deal, I’m sure they would have jumped all over it. But that probably isn’t happening. It’s just that the Dome signing has been a major disappointment, and has required an almost hilarious amount of palliative transactions in the last 2 years.

Perhaps a more accurate way of putting it is “The Cubs would love to replace Fukudome with a player who could produce the way they initially hoped Fukudome could.”

Now, I’m certainly not saying that Tyler Colvin is that player – as I stated in the post directly above, Colvin has never even had a great minor league season at this point, so I agree, it’s ridiculous to assume that he has any impact whatsoever on the Cubs’ opinion of Dome.

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by D98 on Mar 15, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow

Did BLou find your password laying around or something? Rarely does anyone else try to wrong as much as humanly possible in one post.

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

by WayneCampbell08 on Mar 16, 2010 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just for kicks, point to one factually incorrect statement.

Or, in the alternative, please do the board a favor and keep your half-baked thoughts and third-grade level sentence construction to yourself.

(“rarely does anyone else try to wrong as much as humanly possible”? Can anyone give me a hand with this guy?)

Personally, I’d love to see you give it a shot. Find just one factually incorrect statement. I’ll check back.

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by D98 on Mar 16, 2010 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

well

I dunno if I’d call Dome a disaster. He’s good in right field, and he had an OPS+ over 100 last year. He’s been about worth his money. And yes, I know you think Fangraphs overvalues players.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 16, 2010 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even Fangraphs says that he hasn't been worth his salary.

In either year, actually.

The post above doesn’t say that Dome is a disaster, period – it says that Dome was a “a bit of a disaster in Year One, especially after May”. Can you really disagree with that? He hit under .200 for months at a time, eventually losing his starting position.

The post above also says that Dome showed his “doubles power” last year – he had like 38 doubles, which was the major source of his improvement in his SLG and OPS. At the same time, he was pretty horrendous in CF defensively.

And yes, while I generally love the thought that goes into the Fangraphs value system, and I appreciate the effort, I think that any system that would value Dome’s 2008 at more than $10M is fundamentally flawed. Horrendous defense, good OBP, lousy power — teams are not lining up to pay $10M to such players.

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by D98 on Mar 16, 2010 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fangraphs - his UZR was -11.3, UZR/150 was -18.3

That’s pretty bad. Like Adam Dunn bad. (Granted, Dunn is a LF, and is typically around a -15 UZR. But still. Dome is a -13.5 UZR in CF for his career, in 965 innings.

Even if you aren’t a UZR disciple, or think that the sample size was too small, I can’t find any defensive statistics that make him seem anything more than “lousy” in CF last year. He just isn’t right for the position – doesn’t have the range.

You don’t even have to take the stats’ word for it – look at what the Cubs did. They decided that Dome was bad enough in CF that he had to go back to RF, even with his offensive deficiencies. Even if he can’t hit like a corner OF, at least he is a plus RF…. may as well let him do the one thing he’s really good at.

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by D98 on Mar 17, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I do look at UZR quite often...

…but, as you say, 900-some innings isn’t a sufficient sample size. During the recent Jacob Ellsbury UZR brouhaha, I learned that you really need around three full seasons of UZR data to start making definitive proclamations about a guy’s defensive skill in a given position. (I used to think 1,000 innings in a season was enough, but apparently not.)

I think you’re again exagerrating to make your point about Kosuke when you don’t really need to. The Cubs didn’t move him back to right field because he was such an awful centerfielder; they moved him there because he was/is such a good right fielder. That’s where the team wanted him all along.

I think Kosuke played a serviceable centerfield. He’s obviously not ideal there, but I can’t agree with a cavalierly thrown around “horrendous.”

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by daver on Mar 17, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry, I don't think it's that cut and dry

There is no competition for any of the starting outfield spots for the Cubs. It’s Soriano, Byrd, and Fukudome from left to right. They are incumbents and incumbents tend to get re-elected.

I’m not saying that Colvin deserves any shot; his play will determine that. But Lou is going to give the veterans every chance to right themselves if they’re in a funk.

Nobody in Cubs management wants to see a healthy Soriano and his $18MM sitting on the bench waiting for pinch-hitting spot.

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by RiskyBusiness on Mar 15, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I never said that there was an open competition. Tyler Colvin hasn't done enough to warrant

an open competion. The point I was making is that he is not being “blocked” by one of the contracts. I’m sure the Cubs would love to see Colvin’s career takeoff and it is in their financial interest for him to do so, but so far it hasn’t happened. Sure, the incumbents will get the benefit of the doubt because they have established a track record, but that will only take them so far. If a starter is not performing, eventually he will slowly find himself seeing more bench time and eventually he will be in another city.

The Cubs want to see their investment in Soriano pay off, but you can’t wait forever for him to find it while the team sinks further in a hole. As I have stated, if Colvin starts tearing it up in the minors and one of the starters continues o struggle for a prolonged period, he will find himself in Chicago.

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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Mar 15, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

His best bet is

as an injury replacement player, like someone posted below.

Not a bad position to be in if you’re Lou Gehrig. Not that Colvin is, so no need for the hysterics.

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by RiskyBusiness on Mar 15, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, i get it.

I understand there are many things that go in to this, and talent isn’t the only one. Salary, potential, fan favoritism, all of that have a say.

And Colvin doesn’t warrant starting for ANY of those reasons.

Yes, if we could drop Soriano and play Colvin, we’d consider it. But that has NOTHING to do with Colvin, it has to do with Soriano. If we dropped him, we’d have plenty of millions to replace him with somebody that is proven to be major league ready. Hell, Colvin wouldn’t be first in line to replace him of guys already signed to the team! The whole basis of this debate is so silly, and the OP’s mockery of it so spot on, that i can’t believe you don’t see it.

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by AndrewJStone on Mar 15, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

But that's not Sullivan's job

He tried to write a piece about a player that apparently opened a few eyes in camp. It’s fresh, new, that’s what his boss told him to go get.

I don’t think the references to the 3 players contracts are off-base. I don’t think Sullivan’s use of the term “blocked” has any annointing factor for Colvin.

It’s just one column.

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by RiskyBusiness on Mar 15, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Then write that.

“Here is a player that opened some eyes in camp!” is a fine story. Why make it about these other players ruining it by being in the way?

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by AndrewJStone on Mar 15, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

He mention them once

once, that’s all.

I really wonder what this site will be like when the games count.

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by RiskyBusiness on Mar 15, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why is so much concern over what the site will be like when

the season starts? We all know people will overreact when the real game threads start. It happens all of the time. Lou will make some crazy statement or lineup, Big Z will do something silly and the crazy comments will come out like ants at a picnic. There is a reason why many of us don’t follow the game threads during the season.

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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Mar 15, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

The title of the story:
Contracts block path to Cubs outfield

Colvin’s name, not even mentioned. Under, in sub-heading smaller text:

But Colvin’s impressive spring might change the course

What, again, was this story really about? Colvin’s eye opening spring, or the other guys and their contracts?

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by AndrewJStone on Mar 15, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's called a Headline for a reason

They really, really, really want you to read the paper or web site. That’s what Headlines are for. This is a business and a struggling one at that. The article was pretty normal for spring training – this guy is opening eyes, but can’t make it up because of other contracts. Right reason or not, it’s a formula article.

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by RiskyBusiness on Mar 15, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

My favorite Sullivan line in the article is:
Long-terms contracts to Kosuke Fukudome, Marlon Byrd and Alfonso Soriano, respectively, have clogged the outfield picture for the foreseeable future.

Does that mean the future beyond those contracts is “unforseeable”?

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by daver on Mar 15, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's funny

because Sullivan can’t COUNT.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 15, 2010 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just you wait...

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by daver on Mar 15, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

How much Pirahna journalism can you fit in one post?

If Sullivan only went on projections and then shot down Colvin in spring training, he would not have much of a column to write. Saying a player is opening some eyes in spring training is a classic column that nobody will remember in July. No big deal.

If you want Paul Sullivan’s job, you could probably have it. The Tribune Company is in Chapter 11 bankruptcy and has been cutting staff. If you offer to pay for your own gas on the car-pool drive with Phil Rodgers down to AZ, you’re in.

Though your style would be better suited form Steve Rosenbloom’s slot.

And what’s up with the performance enhancing drug reference? That’s a cheap shot.

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by RiskyBusiness on Mar 15, 2010 10:22 AM CDT reply actions  

And what’s up with the performance enhancing drug reference? That’s a cheap shot.

Oh come on. Get your head out of the sand. It’s 2010, players have been exposed for years now and we are STILL supposed to pretend it doesn’t happen?

Anyone who has a problem with that joke/comment, I have one question for you:

When was the last time you tried to put on 25 pounds of pure muscle in 4 months? Good luck with that.

by Jeff Ullrich on Mar 15, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I gained 15 pounds in Army Basic Training

And that was in 13 weeks. And working out wasn’t my primary job.

The joke is cheap, used, tired, and boring. Player A gains muscle mass. Player A must be in PEDs. Make joke about about Player A.

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by RiskyBusiness on Mar 15, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hardly an apt comparison.

I’m fully on board with the “don’t toss around steroid accusations” (although the on in this OP seemed sort of tongue in cheek to me) but it should be assumed that Colvin was ALREADY in solid athletic shape…

Gaining a pound a week by going from whatever it was you did before the Army to eating high carb military energy fuel and spending nearly all your time getting your being in to peak condition for battle is NOT the same.

My cousin gained like 50 lbs in the Army, which sounds impressive until i point out that before he went in, he weighed a buck twenty seven and i spent most of our childhood knowing i could easily his ass. As a professional athlete, weight variations on that scale mean something different than they do for you or i.

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by AndrewJStone on Mar 15, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why do I doubt

that you have any understanding of either the military or being a professional athlete? Probably because there is no “high carb military energy fuel”. We ate 3 squares a day and got no junk food.

And if weight is variations are different for athlete’s, somebody tell me what Soto did and why nobody is jumping on his must-be-roided up behind? Or Z?

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by RiskyBusiness on Mar 15, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have enought of an understanding about both...

…to know you comparing what you did in Basic Training with anything a professional baseball player did means next to nothing.

It gives me the same chuckle as the guys here who compare their knee injuries to that of professional athletes: yes, you experienced something similar. You also didn’t have Dr. James Andrews do the surgery or a team of experienced and dedicated experts focusing almost entirely on your recovery. You didn’t have access to the best training and rehab in the world. The situations are too far different to realistically project your results on to theirs.

People WERE all over Soto when he came to camp last year, but it was pretty clear he was FAT, not muscly… and even then, trust me, people made the accusations. Every time an athlete (especially in baseball) gains a ton of weight in a short period of time, people are going to wonder. Its the environment we live in these days.

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by AndrewJStone on Mar 15, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's what's funny

I didn’t compare myself to a professional athlete. I just answered a question with the best information I had on hand – my own experience.

Yahoo’s stat’s for Colvin are 6’3", 190. If that’s from last year, adding 20-25 pounds does not sound unrealistic. not at 6’3". The Cubs site has him at 210 pounds.

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by RiskyBusiness on Mar 15, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

But you DID.

In a thread on a cubs based site, in a thread about a cubs player, in direct response to the accusation of said cubs player putting on weight and how it might be related to HGH, you reasoned that his weight gain wasn’t strange, and based it on your own experience in a totally unrelated situation. Explicitly or simply implied, you did compare yourself, and the situations aren’t comparable. All i did was point that out with the best information i had and my own experience.

I’m not claiming that Colvin’s growth is out of line, and i’m probably as skeptical of the steroid implications by the OP as you are. I don’t believe they are TRUE. That doesn’t mean they won’t – or shouldn’t be – brought up. Its unfortunate, but these days when a professional baseball player rapidly grows in either size or stats, there will be the question of roids. “Piranha journalism” doesn’t apply here anymore, due simply to the prevalence of roids in baseball for the last decade. Its a fact of the game, and one that must be discussed.

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by AndrewJStone on Mar 15, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're a little off there

Q: When was the last time you tried to put on 25 pounds of pure muscle in 4 months? Good luck with that.
A: I gained 15 pounds in Army Basic Training. And that was in 13 weeks. And working out wasn’t my primary job.

I answered a question. I was not trying to compare myself to a professional athlete. I didn’t state or intend that. Sorry if you took it that I did.

And the Piranha journalism reference had nothing to do with PEDs. That was in reference to the writer’s feeding frenzy of a post. A feeding frenzy on a beat writer no less.

But his motive is pretty simple – Flame on. Come over and read my web site.

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by RiskyBusiness on Mar 15, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

That doesn't mean they won't be brought up - agreed

That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be brought up – disagree.

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by ballhawk on Mar 15, 2010 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

The rare triple-negative!

I’m not sure what we’re discussing, but I don’t think I wouldn’t be lying if I said I wasn’t uninterested!

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by D98 on Mar 15, 2010 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Huh?

Could you translate that into regular positive/negative?

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 15, 2010 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's what Andrew wrote - my bold on the sentence of interest...
I’m not claiming that Colvin’s growth is out of line, and i’m probably as skeptical of the steroid implications by the OP as you are. I don’t believe they are TRUE. That doesn’t mean they won’t – or shouldn’t be – brought up.

Now, doing the double-negative = a positive thing, I took that to mean that Andrew thinks steroid implications will be brought up. On that point, I agreed – they will brought up. But it sounded like he thinks they should be brought up as well. On that point, I disagree.

Just because Colvin puts on twenty pounds of muscle does not qualify him for consideration into the Implication Hall of Shame. We’re talking about a player who’s been playing in a highly tested environment (the minor leagues) for several years now, spent the winter under close supervision by the Cubs strength coach working on a program designed to put on weight, he doesn’t have a body of work yet that suggests his production is way out of line, no reports of backne, and as far as I know, Canseco doesn’t even know this kid.

So IMO, steroid implications shouldn’t be brought up in this case. Now, I’m not above a little witch-hunting and rumor-mongering myself, but I’m not going to let this “steroid era” reduce my level of scratch-n-sniff beliefs to bare minimal standards.

I’m not trying to be as righteous and/or naive as some others here – all I’m saying is if I’m a judge in the court of (my) public opinion, I’m gonna need a lot more before I issue a warrant.

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by ballhawk on Mar 15, 2010 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, and just to be sure...

I think Andrew was pretty clear in his original comment that he doesn’t believe any steroid implications about Colvin are true, but figured I’d repeat that here in case some might think otherwise after reading my comment above.

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by ballhawk on Mar 15, 2010 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

For the record...

… i don’t think they should be brought up because everybody should be accused, i think they should be brought up because we are all thinking them anyways, and then we can have interesting and informative discussions about how its NOT unreasonable for Colvin to go from 10 pounds under 200 to 10 pounds over when he’s well over six feet tall.

It should be brought up because its worth hashing out so we can fairly analyze it, as we’ve been burned by these guys too often to ever feel truly assured that everything is REALLY kosher without talking ourselves in to it a little first.

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by AndrewJStone on Mar 16, 2010 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Colvin has value

as an injury replacement fourth outfielder. I think he starts the season in AAA. If he lights it up and Sam Fuld struggles, I could see him pushing Fuld off the roster. Either one of them could be trade bait at some point in the year.

If/when Soriano goes on the DL, I think Colvin gets the call. Could he match or exceed Soriano’s production from last year? I could see it in the short term. Obviously Nady will probably be the main replacement in left, but you’d still need Colvin on days when Nady plays right.

Really though, who cares what Paul Sullivan has to say in a quick, filler article about a former top pick performing well in Spring Training? Cubs fans and the organization have every right to root for Colvin to succeed. Spring training stats may be mostly meaningless, but there is nothing wrong with a little optimism.

If by mid year Colvin is tearing up AAA, Brett Jackson is performing in AA and the Cubs have 5 outfielders on the roster playing well and blocking Colvin’s promotion, we will all be happy. I have a suspicion we will need Colvin’s services at some point this year, and hopefully he can turn the corner and give us something for our first round pick.

by Bradsbeard on Mar 15, 2010 1:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Here's my crazy question:

Let’s say in a couple years the stars all align and Brett Jackson and Tyler Colvin are both ready for starting roles. That gives the Cubs two very cheap, cost-controlled players in the outfield. Does that free up enough money to trade Soriano, assuming any such deal would involve the team eating a significant amount of his salary?

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by daver on Mar 15, 2010 1:34 PM CDT reply actions  

I suppose it could.

Sure, why not? :D

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 15, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

In a couple of years...

By 2012 Fukudome should be gone. If Byrd is still on the team in 2012 (and it’s not like $6.5M is impossible to move for one year) than he could be platooning in right with Jackson or Colvin. You could theoretically have an outfield of Soriano in LF, Jackson in CF, and Colvin/Byrd in RF. Now, I’m not saying Colvin should be relied on in RF in a couple of years. Only that the logjam is really only for this year and next.

Now, if the Cubs get enough money off their books between now and 2012 and have cheep replacements like Colvin or Jackson, I could see them eating a large percentage of Soriano’s remaining contract to unblock a spot in LF. I’m personally keeping my fingers crossed that Kyler Burke maintains his growth from last year and becomes a legitimate option in RF by 2012. An outfield of Colvin/Byrd in LF, Jackson in CF, and Burke in RF might not be too shabby.

by Bradsbeard on Mar 15, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's exactly the thought I had over the weekend...

…and the reason I asked. I must admit, though, Kyler Burke wasn’t involved. He hasn’t made it too far onto my radar yet, but I’ll keep an eye out for him.

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by daver on Mar 15, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Paul Sullvan...

…I believe his work speaks for itself!

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Mar 15, 2010 1:35 PM CDT reply actions  

im sure

if sandberg takes over colvin might get a chance. the cubs are so desperate to win they wont give these young guys a chance no matter what they do. but these kids might help you win. who knows?

by NOMAR on Mar 21, 2010 9:53 AM CDT reply actions  

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