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Afternoon Delight: Starlin, Fontenot, Millar Band Together For 8-7 Cubs Win

OKLAHOMA CITY -- On my way by car to spring training, I'm stopping overnight here in central Oklahoma before resuming the drive tomorrow.

On the way, via the MLB AtBat app, I was able to listen to the entire game in the car. The Angels announcers provided the feed. There were only a couple of glitches -- first, they had someone in the booth along with the PBP announcer. I could barely hear the guest, though the PBP came through with no trouble. And I had to restart the app about five or six times when it decided to stop on its own. Otherwise it was great, and technology allowed me to do something that simply wouldn't have been possible otherwise.

The Cubs came from behind to beat the Angels 8-7. Randy Wells, after two very good starts, got pounded for six runs in the second inning, and had to be yanked after three. Guess we'll find out later whether this was something really wrong, or whether Wells was working on something that didn't work.

Put into a 6-2 hole, the Cubs fought their way back; Kevin Millar homered and doubled and drove in three; Mike Fontenot also homered, and Starlin Castro continued his torrid spring, going 2-for-2 with a single and double and two RBI.

Star-divide

Castro looks great. I should caution that a lot of his hitting (apart from the games he's started) have been against the minor league pitchers he should be ripping. That's a good sign for him when he's sent back to Iowa to start the season. I hope Lou and the brass aren't lured into doing something they shouldn't. Castro turns 20 next week, and he'll surely be ready next year or maybe even later this year.

But not yet.

The rest of the pitching staff did a fine job, with the exception of Blake Parker, who struck out two, then walked the bases loaded. Thomas Diamond replaced him and walked in a run before ending the inning with another K. Diamond did throw a scoreless ninth and has to still be in the mix for the bullpen.

As should Andrew Cashner, who has been all kinds of impressive this spring. He threw two shutout innings, although issuing a pair of walks. I know the Cubs are looking at him to start, but given the bullpen issues -- why not?

Carlos Zambrano will go tomorrow in Tucson vs. the Rockies' Jeff Francis, who missed all of last year with injuries.

And, the Cubs made nine roster cuts today, none of whom should surprise you. 51 players remain in camp, including 25 pitchers.

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Love the title of this post, and yes it was!

"Nady and his weak beard steps in" by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 12, 2010 9:53 PM

by cooliogirl47 on Mar 14, 2010 6:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Compared to me he is, too.

Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.

by Ryno Runner on Mar 14, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

And compared to me, he is as well

A LO PROFUNDOOO...NOO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NOO...DIGALE QUE NO A ESA PELOTA!! GANAN LOS CACHORROS DE CHICAGO!!

by Azul Cachorro on Mar 14, 2010 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Goodness.

I feel old. I just saw Castro’s age.

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 14, 2010 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

We've got quite a few young'uns here, don't we?

Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.

by Ryno Runner on Mar 14, 2010 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah. It seems I'm no longer one of 'em, though.

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 14, 2010 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

One of us...one of us....

Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.

by Ryno Runner on Mar 14, 2010 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

He is only 16 months older than me.

"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon

by Cubbiegoon on Mar 14, 2010 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm 28

I’m starting to feel like on old man on here!

"Keep pushin till it's understood,
And these badlands start treating us good."

by AussieCub on Mar 14, 2010 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay, finally, I feel young.

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 14, 2010 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Glad I could be of assistance!

Where are all the old beggars on here?

"Keep pushin till it's understood,
And these badlands start treating us good."

by AussieCub on Mar 14, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

you'll have to type louder...

…my eyes, they not so good anymore…

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 14, 2010 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, mine too.

Sheesh, some of you (above) aren’t that much older than my kids.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 14, 2010 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry if my age bothers you. Lol

Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.

by Ryno Runner on Mar 14, 2010 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nah, it's cool.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 14, 2010 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did someone call for...

Middle-Aged Man?

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is." -- Yogi Berra

by vonde6 on Mar 15, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure I want to reveal that because it may skew...

….people’s opinions of my posts and other things like that only because of my age.

Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.

by Ryno Runner on Mar 14, 2010 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

...

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Mar 14, 2010 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

So true.

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 14, 2010 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Arf!

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is." -- Yogi Berra

by vonde6 on Mar 15, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Al, do you think Castro will be a call-up if someone gets hurt?

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 14, 2010 6:53 PM CDT reply actions  

BOOK IT!

Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.

by Ryno Runner on Mar 14, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd say September for sure.

Earlier? Depends on how he’s doing and what the team needs are.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 14, 2010 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

that would make sense

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Mar 15, 2010 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Huh?

How would Al know? He’s hardly filled with scouting ability.

"When the day comes with that last winning run and I'm crying and covered in beer. I'll look to the sky and know I was right to think someday we'll go all the way." - Vedder

by krummy12 on Mar 14, 2010 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Classy

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 14, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Regardless of whether that's true or not, I can still express my opinion.

As can you. You could have done that instead of slam me.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 14, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

In trying to mediate this...

of course Castro will be called up in Sept. when the roster expands to 40. That doesn’t have anything to do with Al’s scouting ability, that is just plain common sense! But I am kind of suprised that not many more people are coming to Al’s aid when someone calls him out?? Al’s where’s the support?

by alabamacubbie on Mar 14, 2010 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I came to Al's defense before anyone else.

My response is actually identical to Shanghai Badger’s response earlier today when another BCB member blasted me in the pregame thread for asking about Joel Pineiro.

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 14, 2010 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

for asking something about Joel Pineiro.

Specifically, his record against the Cubs.

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 14, 2010 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

You have learned well, young Jedi

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Mar 14, 2010 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are wise....he has chosen well.

"Nady and his weak beard steps in" --Cubbie-Tim on Mar 12, 2010 9:53 PM

by cooliogirl47 on Mar 15, 2010 7:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

calm down vermont

what do you want a cookie for coming to his defense? I didn’t expect for anyone to actually step out and defend him

by alabamacubbie on Mar 15, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

stop saying you got blasted

that is at best an exaggeration and at worst just plain false

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Mar 16, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

sometimes

the loudest response is a silent response

I saw you in that coffee shop, breaking the fifth commandment. Congress passes these things for a reason, Lois.
Currently 34,839 on the Season Ticket Wait List - Expected age of being #0: 119

by hansman1982 on Mar 15, 2010 5:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Krumnmy

is a known curmudgeon. And Al can take care of himself. :D

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 15, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

krummy ... your name reflects your post

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Mar 15, 2010 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Re the pen

Way too many walks today. Can we option Diamond to the monirs, or would we have to release him?

by timh815 on Mar 14, 2010 7:01 PM CDT reply actions  

You can option Diamond but you have to add him to the roster

Parisi is the guy who can not be optioned because he is rule 5

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Mar 14, 2010 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know that

but Diamond was on a 40 man last year. Not sure if there is an arcane rule that he would have to be released instead of optioned.

by timh815 on Mar 14, 2010 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Diamond was outrighted off the 40-man last offseason.

He was not claimed, and invited to ST as a non-roster guy.

I’m pretty sure they can add him back if they have an opening (which they will). The 40-man is now at 39; Angel Guzman will likely go on the 60-day DL, which will make it 38.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 14, 2010 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have

Parisi, Shark, Silva, Diamond, and Russell fighting for 4 spots

by timh815 on Mar 14, 2010 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Between Cashner,Coleman, and Parker

we have some guys who will push for a spot in 2011. Cashew (Cashner, Andrew) still needs to refine his command, so I’d let him start in AA or AAA.

by timh815 on Mar 14, 2010 7:05 PM CDT reply actions  

For Not Bruce Froemming, when you come by here,

I have a extra ticket to the bleachers for Houston Astros-Chicago Cubs at Wrigley on July 21. If you would like this ticket, please email me at the address on my profile.

kanderber, you can also have this ticket if you like.

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 14, 2010 7:15 PM CDT reply actions  

VCF is going to sit with me and my group that day.

kanderber and/or NBF, would love to meet either or both of you.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 14, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

At some point, Al,

We should have a BCB get-together in the bleachers with as many members of BCB at Wrigley Field as possible.

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 14, 2010 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure, why not?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 14, 2010 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's a little late to try to set it up this year.

Maybe we can manage it sometime next season.

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 14, 2010 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

but who wants to pay all that extra tax, now that I know how much it is!!!

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 14, 2010 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well there are plenty left for July 21

(which of course would have been sold out long before this last year) and I will be out there in Al’s section
as well. So for an informal outing whoever wants to come out on the 21st. Help the Cubs sell out those tickets

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Mar 14, 2010 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great idea.

Our own BCB gathering! :)

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 14, 2010 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, please.

July 21 is a Wednesday afternoon. I guarantee you a comparable date in 2009 (and 2008 and 2007 and many other years) would have been available on March 14 of that year.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 14, 2010 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

No they were not.

I went to several midweekday games last summer in the same time frame and I had to buy the tickets
in the first week they went on sale. They were gone not long after that. You can check with Ron, he used to give running updates of what games were left.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Mar 14, 2010 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Guys, please, can't this stop at some point?

It’s clear you two aren’t going to agree on this.

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 14, 2010 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

True.

But if it bothers you, just ignore and move on.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Mar 14, 2010 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't worry in a few days we will be doing it in person

so the rest of you won’t have to listen.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Mar 15, 2010 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

I just hope that you two can find an agreement then.

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 15, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

because

heaven knows we wouldn’t want anyone arguing in the bleachers! :D

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 15, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

At least they'd be throwing Big Gulps instead of beer

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Mar 15, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I repeat.

Weekday games in the summer were generally available at this time last year, and several years in the past.

I got the “running updates”. I can forward them to you to check if you want. Me, I don’t have time.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 15, 2010 5:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, and kanderber/NBF,

If I give the ticket to one of you and the other person wants to come, I will get a ticket for you.

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 14, 2010 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL ... that's going to be a mini-get-together.

We’d have to set the full get-together up well in advance so people know which game to go to.

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 14, 2010 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm in!

"Nady and his weak beard steps in" by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 12, 2010 9:53 PM

by cooliogirl47 on Mar 14, 2010 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Come along if you can!

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 14, 2010 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

excellent!

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 14, 2010 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Come along that day if you can!

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 14, 2010 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

wednesday afternoon game. It's unlikely

but possible. We should probably try to do a meetup on a weekend or at a night game.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 15, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Send me an email,

And I’ll explain it to you. My address is listed on my profile.

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 14, 2010 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was a long game

but the win was very sweet.

OK I don't know shit about basketball.

by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST

by sue369 on Mar 14, 2010 7:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Finished packing for Arizona while watching the last part of the game.

I’m off! (okay I’m always off but I’m off for Arizone in the morning).

It was the game that wouldn’t end
it went on and on my friends
Two teams started playing it not knowing what it was
and they continued playing it forever just because

Formerly known as cubstoseriesby100. Thanks Al for letting me change my outdated screenname.

by puckishcubsfan on Mar 14, 2010 7:44 PM CDT reply actions  

boooooooooo

I saw you in that coffee shop, breaking the fifth commandment. Congress passes these things for a reason, Lois.
Currently 34,839 on the Season Ticket Wait List - Expected age of being #0: 119

by hansman1982 on Mar 15, 2010 5:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hope to see you AL

Hope to see you in Mesa Al and hope to have some info for you about a letter writing or something campaign about Mr. Woo Woo to the Ricketts people.

If I don’t see you I’ll email you the info and you can decide if you want to bring it up here.

Formerly known as cubstoseriesby100. Thanks Al for letting me change my outdated screenname.

by puckishcubsfan on Mar 14, 2010 7:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Castro

Al, enough of the “Castro’s not ready” nonsense already. You haven’t provided one single baseball reason why he’s not ready to play SS in the majors. You’ve used convenient age issue as an excuse, a flimsy one at that, but absolutely zero baseball reasons.

So far, here are the factors for and against him being included as the starting SS on Opening Day. For….He is at absolute worst, a passable defender who is certainly no worse than Theriot and probably better. He is a good baserunner even if he isn’t a base stealer. He has proven more than adequate at the plate, to the point that it seems more likely that he’d be able to hit .260 – .275 given regular AB’s.

Against….he’s just about to turn 20. He hasn’t played above Double-A even though he excelled in the AFL and has probably played more baseball in his life than guys five years older that are sitting in AAA. That’s it.

Just as Ramirez said, he can play and his age shouldn’t be the only factor keeping him off the Opening Day roster. So far, it is. Stop the blanket statements that he “isn’t ready” unless you’re willing to open up your vast “scouting experience” and provide legitimate baseball reasons for why you believe he “isn’t ready”.

Even more laughable is a nonsensical belief that 50 or so games in AAA would somehow miraculously turn the corner for him. That is sheer and utter lunacy. If he keeps doing what he’s doing, the organization woud be doing itself a disservice by not putting him at SS on Opening Day. Period.

"When the day comes with that last winning run and I'm crying and covered in beer. I'll look to the sky and know I was right to think someday we'll go all the way." - Vedder

by krummy12 on Mar 14, 2010 7:48 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

age doesn't matter, but you are correct when you say he hasn't played above AA

Give him at least half of this season in AAA, then we’ll see how he’s doing

This is the year...

by Chanman25 on Mar 14, 2010 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

hes real good

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

by fischisgod on Mar 14, 2010 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

he isnt ready

Also, this made me laugh.

and has probably played more baseball in his life than guys five years older that are sitting in AAA

by bheidge on Mar 14, 2010 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed Krummy12

Name one former position player the cubs organization has ruined because they were called up to soon. Pie, Patterson, Kieschnick? They didn’t pan out because they didn’t have the talent that matched expectations. If Castro is as good as they think then he should get his “seasoning” at the major league level as an everyday player. Remember, development doesn’t stop at the major league level, if anything it can be accelerated especially on a team that is not expected to do much this year. I say let him play.

by troutfishin on Mar 14, 2010 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Look at it this way

You have a recent college graduation who is really smart when it comes to architecture. He has the mental tools and capacity to design the next Golden Gate Bridge, but wouldn’t you be more at ease if he went to Grad School first?

This is the year...

by Chanman25 on Mar 14, 2010 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice try with the analogy

Hitting, catching and throwing isn’t something that is taught in a classroom, it’s not something that can be learned by reading a book. Major League Baseball talent is inherent, God given and is developed through hard work and constant repetitive action.

by troutfishin on Mar 14, 2010 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

God given and is developed through hard work and constant repetitive action.

correct, which is why he should be in the minors to get ABs, having him start in chicago means hell either be on the bench, or hendry will need to trade baker, theriot, or fontenot

"The roar from the crowd really fired me up," Burish said. "In warmups there were a lot of signs. One said 'Burish, my grandma is pregnant.' I don't know what that means. I skated by it and said, 'it's not mine.' "

by jesus christos on Mar 14, 2010 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

He'd be starting

There’s no way they’d “stunt” his development by having him ride the bench. If they risk it, they’ll do so by him playing nearly everyday.

''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou

by propheteer on Mar 15, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Question to you and krummy12

I’m assuming you wouldn’t want Castro on the roster just to sit on the bench. So if he’s playing every day then what do you do with Theriot? Baker? Fontenot?

Only one of the can play 2B – what happens to the other two?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 14, 2010 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Theriot

Plays 2B, and Baker and Fontenot compete for the 4th infield spot.

by troutfishin on Mar 14, 2010 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

and whoever doesn't make it, is what? Released? Sent down? Traded?

And if you have 4 MI’s, then that’s 2 spots on what is presumed will be a 5 man bench. Hill (backup c) makes 3.

So you have two spots left for Nady, Fuld, Millar, Tracey, Hoffpauir, Colvin. Which two do you keep?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 14, 2010 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tracey and Hoffpauir...

….at this point shouldn’t make the team. I don’t see Colvin breaking camp with the club because of the platoon situation (Fukodome, Nady) in RF and Lou has already committed to Fuld. Baker or Fontenot can also backup Ramirez.

by troutfishin on Mar 14, 2010 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok, so your "cost" of starting Castro is trading Fontenot and losing Blanco.

Krummy12, what about you?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 14, 2010 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

That "cost" doesn't seem all that high to me.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Mar 14, 2010 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

You have to remember...

….we Cub fans have a tendency to over value our current stock.

by troutfishin on Mar 14, 2010 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

And I agree with half of it.

I think we do have some MI surplus/flexibilty and it’s probably worth seeing what we can get for one of them on the trade market, especially if it means getting a decent bullpen arm.

The part I don’t like is just losing Blanco. I don’t think he’ll bring much in trade, but I’m also pretty sure he wouldn’t clear waivers. I guess I’m greedy – I want it all. And if Castro starts the season at Iowa, I can have it all – I get to keep Blanco on the roster.

Now I’m sure you’ll probably laugh incredulously (“you’re tying the fate of our best prospect to Blanco???”) but there is a big difference.

If Blanco makes the team – he can sit on the bench. But if Castro makes the team – he has to start. And the dominoes that have to fall because of that, just aren’t worth it – at least not right now.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 14, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

amen brotha

lets not push this team into trading away a middle infielder that has no value now when they might have some mid-season (i.e injury to our team, trading to an injured team)

I saw you in that coffee shop, breaking the fifth commandment. Congress passes these things for a reason, Lois.
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by hansman1982 on Mar 15, 2010 6:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

and trading him...

at the lowest value point in the season…GENIUS! Thank God Hendry is better at his job that you are at telling him what to do

I saw you in that coffee shop, breaking the fifth commandment. Congress passes these things for a reason, Lois.
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by hansman1982 on Mar 15, 2010 6:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

oh, and I forgot about Blanco in my original scenario which make it even more complicated.

But if Blanco doesn’t enter your scenario, that’s cool. But since he’s out of options, realize that if he doesn’t make the team, he’s another one that gets traded or released.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 14, 2010 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Starlin Castro isn't Pie, Patterson or Kieschnick...

… or any other previous Cub prospect. He is an individual with his own talents and abilities and should be judged on that and the team needs, not to be compared to anyone else.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 14, 2010 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly what is your point

My point was that bringing up Pie, Patterson or any other notable Cub prospect before they were supposedly ready had no bearing on their eventual failure at the big league level. You can either play or you can’t. Development can continue at the major league level.

We need to stop playing father knows best and look at what is potentially the best benefit to the Cubs.

by troutfishin on Mar 14, 2010 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

That said, hitting well off a few pitchers in spring training doesn’t mean Starlin Castro is ready to be an everyday player in the major leagues.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 14, 2010 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's the crux of the argument

what does “ready” mean? Can Trammell help him defensively? Can Jaramillo help him offensively? If anything the Cubs organization are better equipped than most to help young players at the major league level because of the peripheral coaches they have.

It would be nice to see Vitters but at this moment he doesn’t fill a need, it would be nice to see Colvin but he doesn’t fill a need at the moment. Castro does, he would go a long way in shoring up a position that the current player isn’t suited for. Don’t get me wrong I like Theriot but I think he would be so much more valuable at 2B.

Think about it this way, right now for the first time in the last seven years the pressure is off this team to win it all. It would be an opportunity to allow Castro to develop at a faster pace because of the talent he would be facing and the coaching the cubs have to assist. Also, don’t forget Castros trajectory is a lot different than other Cub prospects, whenever this guy gets promoted he excels.

by troutfishin on Mar 14, 2010 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Think about it this way, right now for the first time in the last seven years the pressure is off this team to win it all.

that pressure is still there, and will be there until they win it

"The roar from the crowd really fired me up," Burish said. "In warmups there were a lot of signs. One said 'Burish, my grandma is pregnant.' I don't know what that means. I skated by it and said, 'it's not mine.' "

by jesus christos on Mar 14, 2010 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right.

Which is why he needs to spend a whole year at Iowa, a level at which he has so far played zero games.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 14, 2010 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

What does...

…spending a year at Iowa prove? The young pitching talent mostly resides in AA. The only logical step is Wrigley in April. JC and Al, do you think this team has a realistic shot this year? They may not even be the third best team in their division.

by troutfishin on Mar 14, 2010 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

i dont think they do

but dumping players just to start him is bad business

"The roar from the crowd really fired me up," Burish said. "In warmups there were a lot of signs. One said 'Burish, my grandma is pregnant.' I don't know what that means. I skated by it and said, 'it's not mine.' "

by jesus christos on Mar 14, 2010 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

and i think he could work on taking a few more walks

and the majors isnt the place to work out the kinks

"The roar from the crowd really fired me up," Burish said. "In warmups there were a lot of signs. One said 'Burish, my grandma is pregnant.' I don't know what that means. I skated by it and said, 'it's not mine.' "

by jesus christos on Mar 14, 2010 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not overly optimistic

about this years team, but you just never know in baseball. Not sure what adding Castro to the mix would really mean for the team, or him, right this moment, but again, you just never know…
I do have to say, however, that the middle infield in one of the areas I see as a positive, right now.

by daily2b on Mar 14, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, I do think they have a "shot".

You can’t seriously be arguing that the Reds are a better team than the Cubs.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 15, 2010 5:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not the Reds...

…though the Brewers and Cards are better on paper. Look, Ricketts even knows this might be a throw away year, which is why Hendry wasn’t allowed to spend this off season.

by troutfishin on Mar 15, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're sure about that?

Remember, much of this offseason was spent fixing the mistakes of LAST offseason.

I’d quibble with your “Brewers are better on paper” comment. Milwaukee’s pitching staff is… well, let’s say I wouldn’t want it for our team.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 15, 2010 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow...

Your attitude is par with your name… Krummy. Why don’t you bitch about someone having an opinion. The bottom line is he is 19. There is something called maturity. How do you know he will be able to handle the big stage after exploding onto the scene so quickly? No one will know until they try, but SS isn’t aa massive hole for them right now.

The excuse that if you can play you can play completely ignores the biggest factor: the mental part of the game. Playing in AAA allows him to mature, hence the reason for minor leagues.

Oh genius scouting director Krummy; please tell me the critical gain from playing Castro? It will be minimal at best. Baker is a good player and Fontenot is a lefty bat off the bench. And Theriot has proven to handle the load well.

Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.

by TCobb1911 on Mar 14, 2010 10:33 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Using your logic

we should scrap the minor league system – hell 16 year old kids should just be thrown into the majors. There is a difference between AA pitching, spring training pitching and big league pitching which is why AAA was invented and used. I heard a comment by Len or Bob that Castro is an “aggressive swinger” (as evidenced by his Soriano-esque golf swing hit to left field) – see free swinging that will get calls for him to be DFA’d by mid-may if we bring him up now. Theriot does an acceptable job at ss and if we are truly the fourth best team in the NL Central (god how pathetic do some people think this core is?) then what good does it do to bring him up? I ask you, holding my breath for a response, what good does it do to bring him up on Opening Day risking that he cant adjust to regular season pitching and looses all confidence thereby plateauing early?

I saw you in that coffee shop, breaking the fifth commandment. Congress passes these things for a reason, Lois.
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by hansman1982 on Mar 15, 2010 6:04 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is." -- Yogi Berra

by vonde6 on Mar 15, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Castro

“as evidenced by his Soriano-esque golf swing hit to left field”

 If that’s the same RBI double I saw over the weekend then that was a perfect under control swing as you can get from a right handed hitter. I don’t know what you were watching but be careful about getting your baseball knowledge from Len, he’s a good announcer, that’s it.

by troutfishin on Mar 15, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

imagine

if he makes that same swing and misses. that ball was a good 6" below the zone…put soriano in the box and everyone is crying foul…

I saw you in that coffee shop, breaking the fifth commandment. Congress passes these things for a reason, Lois.
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by hansman1982 on Mar 19, 2010 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was at the game today

I have not seen paid attendance but it was terribly packed. I tried to hit a restroom midgame and you couldn’t even walk on the concourse. If there were a fire marshall, it would have been shut down, my worst experience at a spring game ever. I was on the grass berm and people kept coming in and squeezing in any tiny space they could find.

Wells was not good but I liked the rest of the game, weather was a little cool but awesome in the sun.

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Mar 14, 2010 7:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Just checked attendance at 8800+

and there was a heck of a lot more than that there. It was definitely oversold.

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Mar 14, 2010 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just wish there had been one less person there.

I think everyone who was in the game threads knows who I am talking about.

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 14, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

very

OK I don't know shit about basketball.

by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST

by sue369 on Mar 14, 2010 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Probably a good thing my trip to Mesa next week got cancelled

because I’d punch his lights out if he came within 10 feet of me.

by EalyEagle on Mar 15, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Get

in line.

How the H E Double Hockey sticks does he even get a plane ticket down there?

by VFTB Matt on Mar 15, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Because some media idiots in Chicago think he's funny or clever or cute.

And they pay his way. He’s none of the above, but it has to be stopped.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 15, 2010 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Angels always oversell when the Cubs are in

I’ll never go to Tempe Diablo Stadium when the Cubs are there. It’s just awful. It was three years or so ago, before the remodel when I attended a Cubs/Angels game — I complained to any stadium official who would listen that I thought management had created a dangerous situation, with way too many people jammed into that little place. If I had more time in town, I would have complained to the “city fathers” of Tempe.

And the other teams bitch about the so-called “Cubs tax.” Ungrateful bastards. I don’t see the Angels turning away Cubs fans with $$$$ in hand.

8800 — that’s a joke. They just keep printing lawn tickets until the lines end.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Mar 14, 2010 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

The place "officially" holds about 9800.

So that’s probably closer to the real total, about 1000 over “capacity”, however you define it.

Traffic around Tempe Diablo is awful, parking is impossible, and you’re right, moving around with a full house is difficult.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 14, 2010 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Watching Castro makes me very happy

Please, no trade of the Castro. I wanna see him in Cubbie blue at Wrigley.

"Keep pushin till it's understood,
And these badlands start treating us good."

by AussieCub on Mar 14, 2010 8:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Totally OT question for Al:

How long did it take you to get to the OKC? And how much longer do you think it’ll take you to get to Phoenix?

by chilango2 on Mar 14, 2010 8:06 PM CDT reply actions  

"By the time I get to Pheonix"

img src=“http://messyheadblues.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/10103225aglen-campbell-posters.jpg”>

"Keep pushin till it's understood,
And these badlands start treating us good."

by AussieCub on Mar 14, 2010 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whaaa!!!!

<img src=">

"Keep pushin till it's understood,
And these badlands start treating us good."

by AussieCub on Mar 14, 2010 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

No more pictures for me.

"Keep pushin till it's understood,
And these badlands start treating us good."

by AussieCub on Mar 14, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

AAARGGHHH!!!!!!!!!

"Keep pushin till it's understood,
And these badlands start treating us good."

by AussieCub on Mar 14, 2010 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

KILL ME!!!!!!

"Keep pushin till it's understood,
And these badlands start treating us good."

by AussieCub on Mar 14, 2010 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's see..

Idunno if it was worth it…

by chilango2 on Mar 14, 2010 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh yes.....

I’m going to go practice posting glen campbell photos in a game thread from 2007.

"Keep pushin till it's understood,
And these badlands start treating us good."

by AussieCub on Mar 14, 2010 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hello pretty lady.

"Keep pushin till it's understood,
And these badlands start treating us good."

by AussieCub on Mar 14, 2010 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Amanda Seyfried. Mmmmm.

She needs to be the new Erin Andrews for someone. Make it so!

"There's more to life than profits...like, you know, slurpees and stuff." ~Randy Marsh

by Goodie1969 on Mar 14, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Still, the song is a Jimmy Webb

classic. He wrote a lot of #1 pop hits in that era…..

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Mar 14, 2010 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, knew it was a Webb song

Just couldn’t help but be drawn to a topless Glenn Campbell, or three!

"Keep pushin till it's understood,
And these badlands start treating us good."

by AussieCub on Mar 14, 2010 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

thats the same person???

"Nady and his weak beard steps in" by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 12, 2010 9:53 PM

by cooliogirl47 on Mar 14, 2010 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

About the same thing I asked.

It sure doesn’t look like him

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 14, 2010 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep.

Same person, almost 40 years later.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 14, 2010 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Get that shirt off Glen!

"Keep pushin till it's understood,
And these badlands start treating us good."

by AussieCub on Mar 14, 2010 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

nooooooo

"Nady and his weak beard steps in" by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 12, 2010 9:53 PM

by cooliogirl47 on Mar 14, 2010 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Get off my lawn, you little bastards!

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Mar 14, 2010 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here you go

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 14, 2010 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL!

I have created a monster!

"Keep pushin till it's understood,
And these badlands start treating us good."

by AussieCub on Mar 14, 2010 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Something similar happened with me and eths in the pregame thread.

His picture didn’t post due to the wacky COMMENT CHILDREN TOKEN bug. I’ve never seen anything even remotely like that.

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 14, 2010 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow, this is a bizarre thread's worth of photos.

But here are your answers:

12 hours to OKC. Expecting about 14 more to PHX.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 14, 2010 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

i am willing to bet that the people calling for castro to make the opening day roster

will be the first people to call for castros head if he doesnt hit for the cycle in his first game

"The roar from the crowd really fired me up," Burish said. "In warmups there were a lot of signs. One said 'Burish, my grandma is pregnant.' I don't know what that means. I skated by it and said, 'it's not mine.' "

by jesus christos on Mar 14, 2010 8:17 PM CDT reply actions  

and will be the first ones

to boo the kid when he doesn’t hit that cycle

by bheidge on Mar 14, 2010 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

OT: this is one of the most loudicrious things i have ever read

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/03/discussion-howardpujols-swap.html

"The roar from the crowd really fired me up," Burish said. "In warmups there were a lot of signs. One said 'Burish, my grandma is pregnant.' I don't know what that means. I skated by it and said, 'it's not mine.' "

by jesus christos on Mar 14, 2010 8:25 PM CDT reply actions  

phillies trade howard for pujols

and trade howard for ADAM LIND

"The roar from the crowd really fired me up," Burish said. "In warmups there were a lot of signs. One said 'Burish, my grandma is pregnant.' I don't know what that means. I skated by it and said, 'it's not mine.' "

by jesus christos on Mar 14, 2010 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

pujols for ADAM LIND

my bad

"The roar from the crowd really fired me up," Burish said. "In warmups there were a lot of signs. One said 'Burish, my grandma is pregnant.' I don't know what that means. I skated by it and said, 'it's not mine.' "

by jesus christos on Mar 14, 2010 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't forget to throw Aaron Miles into that deal.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 14, 2010 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

chase utley for aaron miles

and miles and pujols for ADAM LIND?

get it done, ruben amaro

"The roar from the crowd really fired me up," Burish said. "In warmups there were a lot of signs. One said 'Burish, my grandma is pregnant.' I don't know what that means. I skated by it and said, 'it's not mine.' "

by jesus christos on Mar 14, 2010 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Throw Aaron Heilman in while you're at it.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 14, 2010 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

How about if we just throw Aaron Heilman as far as we can?

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Mar 14, 2010 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

brian custer disapproves

"The roar from the crowd really fired me up," Burish said. "In warmups there were a lot of signs. One said 'Burish, my grandma is pregnant.' I don't know what that means. I skated by it and said, 'it's not mine.' "

by jesus christos on Mar 14, 2010 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, let's do that to Kevin Gregg.

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 14, 2010 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

God knows he was good at letting people hit a baseball as far as they could.

Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.

by Ryno Runner on Mar 14, 2010 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

He gave up some shots didn't he? Any thing that flew as far and

as fast as some of those things should have had had flight attendants inside and United Airlines written outside.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Mar 14, 2010 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sure a couple of 'em hit the things...

…with the flight attendants inside and United Airlines written on the outside of ’em.

Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.

by Ryno Runner on Mar 14, 2010 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Especially the one in San Diego.

Or those ones in Florida. Or the one against Houston in May.

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 15, 2010 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

We're getting

Aaron Heilman and Aaron Miles back!!! WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS, PUT IT IN THE BOOKS!

I saw you in that coffee shop, breaking the fifth commandment. Congress passes these things for a reason, Lois.
Currently 34,839 on the Season Ticket Wait List - Expected age of being #0: 119

by hansman1982 on Mar 15, 2010 6:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's ridiculous that people are reporting it

It sounds like the Phillies are thinking that maybe the Cardinals can’t re-sign Pujols and maybe we can tempt them with their hometown boy. That’s not completely ridiculous. ARod got traded for Soriano once. But they haven’t discussed it and they haven’t even approached the Cardinals, from what I can tell. So someone from the Phillies is leaking this in something that is close to tampering.

This is a non-story. The Phillies would like Pujols. Big deal, 29 other teams want Pujols.

by Josh Timmers on Mar 14, 2010 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

just by a hair

"The roar from the crowd really fired me up," Burish said. "In warmups there were a lot of signs. One said 'Burish, my grandma is pregnant.' I don't know what that means. I skated by it and said, 'it's not mine.' "

by jesus christos on Mar 14, 2010 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right.

Albert is younger.
Albert is better.
Howard is under contract for only two more years.
Howard is owed close to $40M…not cheap.

Point being, this trade makes very little sense.

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by cubswynn on Mar 14, 2010 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually

trading Pujols now wouldnt be bad, he is 30 years old and as evidenced by everyone’s cries in the projection thread 30 is the new 40 and he should hit about .205 and 3 hr’s…no seriously if they couldnt get Holliday in the offseason I would be all for them trading Pujols for a couple hot prospects since they would be at more of a disadvantage to being the top team in the NL Central (hey, that was us last season right?) and the possibility of not being able to sign him after next year means that right now his value is as high as its ever gonna be.

Now I firmly believe that they will sign him to a pretty good contract and I think both parties would be dumb not to do it, STL gets Pujols (enough said there), Pujols not only gets to go down in the books as one of the greatest ever in the game, but pretty much has free reign in the STL area for the rest of his life and be beloved by a franchise for the rest of his life – the intangibles of signing for X, Y or Z team.

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by hansman1982 on Mar 15, 2010 6:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Aramis hurt?

Saw it on MLB channel. Right triceps…

by daily2b on Mar 14, 2010 9:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Old news. The Cubs have said that he should be doing the towel drill in a couple of days.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Mar 14, 2010 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

At first I thought you were making a Mark Prior joke.

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by Ryno Runner on Mar 14, 2010 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, it was a Cubs injury report joke.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Mar 14, 2010 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Same thing. Lol.

Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.

by Ryno Runner on Mar 14, 2010 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the Cubs have said the he was suffering from that military officers disease -

General Soreness. I tell ya I got a million of em. Be sure to tip your waitress, I’ll be here all week.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Mar 14, 2010 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Saw the HBO movie, Sugar...

In it they show a kid doing towel drills!! Nearly crapped my pants Think it was somone’s idea of a joke?

by daily2b on Mar 14, 2010 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I saw it too. I got quesy just watching that. Pretty good movie though.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Mar 14, 2010 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I liked it...

No Oscar winner, but I’m a sucker for most things baseball. Some of the better baseball “acting” I’ve seen. They advertised through my men’s league for guys that could throw, and I believe it was for this film.

Don’t know if any guys from the NABA Socal league made the cut.

by daily2b on Mar 14, 2010 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed re: Sugar.

If you have not seen this movie, you should. Very realistic depiction of what Dominican kids go through when they come to the USA to play baseball.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 14, 2010 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I especially liked the part about the kid ordering pancakes everyday because

that was the only think he could say in english. That story is old as me and has been told about every famous latin player that has come to the U.S. to play baseball. It still is kind of cute.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Mar 14, 2010 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

you must not have heard about who is the cubs new towel training coach then..

"The roar from the crowd really fired me up," Burish said. "In warmups there were a lot of signs. One said 'Burish, my grandma is pregnant.' I don't know what that means. I skated by it and said, 'it's not mine.' "

by jesus christos on Mar 14, 2010 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

ADAM LIND!!!!!1!!!

Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.

by Ryno Runner on Mar 14, 2010 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Most likely

it is Lou and Jim saying, crap we have to protect Lee and Ramirez so they dont get injured so they have some soreness and Lee’s foot just isnt healing all that well…

I saw you in that coffee shop, breaking the fifth commandment. Congress passes these things for a reason, Lois.
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by hansman1982 on Mar 15, 2010 6:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

The 5 cuts are not surprising as such,

but I wouldn’t have thought that Vitters would be reassigned so quickly.


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by eths on Mar 15, 2010 2:38 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Vitters had zero chance of making the team.

He’s likely going to play at Double-A this year. Minor league games are starting soon. That’s the reason for the reassignment — so he can play every day, instead of coming in for a couple innings late in major league games.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 15, 2010 5:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Still, I would have thought he would stick around the major league camp for one or two more weeks.

Shows how little I know, I suppose.

Have a good and safe trip.


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by eths on Mar 15, 2010 7:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

OT: It's snowing here again, I'm starting to hate winter

http://yfrog.com/izkfuj and http://yfrog.com/319fcj


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by eths on Mar 15, 2010 3:21 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

poor eths.....no new Spring Training facilty for Munich!

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by cooliogirl47 on Mar 15, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

If it makes you feel any better,

my extended forecast is showing a possibility of snow this for Sat. night.

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by katie casey on Mar 15, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

yuck! not looking forward to that.

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by cooliogirl47 on Mar 15, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's a beautiful day in Los Angeles

Sunny, high of 83 :)

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by PacificCub on Mar 15, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

My taunting earned me and earthquake wake-up call

for shame

"You’re playing a baseball game. You’re not playing Tiddlywinks. There is competition, for God’s sake."— Lou Piniella

by PacificCub on Mar 17, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oklahoma City

I’m going to wager a guess that you are staying around I-40 and Meridian. Lots of hotels and restaurants in that area.

by bigz38fan on Mar 15, 2010 10:25 AM CDT reply actions  

I drove the entirety of I-40 once

about 7 years ago. Quite the drive.

"You’re playing a baseball game. You’re not playing Tiddlywinks. There is competition, for God’s sake."— Lou Piniella

by PacificCub on Mar 15, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, it was somewhere on I-44.

It seems a favorite pastime in OKC is getting lost, which I did a couple times.

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by Al Yellon on Mar 15, 2010 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

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