Tyler Colvin
by MDavis on Mar 15, 2010 4:48 PM CDT
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PrintFor months there has been an obsession on this site for Sam Fuld. Yeah, the kid plays hard, he adds speed and is a good defender. But he doesn't deserve the 5th outfielder spot on this team. Plain and simple. Colvin took this off-season, put on 20 pounds of solid weight and is absolutely crushing the ball. 13 for 25, compared to Fuld's 2 for 17. Colvin plays all the outfield spots so you don't lose the versatility. The guy deserves the spot. He brings some pop (from the left side to take care of that for Lou), and has just outplayed anyone else for that spot. Sorry Fuld, but it needs to be Colvin.
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damn
you beat me too it. only I want to take itto another level. you know everyone will respond that Colvin needs to play everyday to develop and he will learn nothing as a 5th outfielder. So let’s take it one step further. Why not get rid of Mr. Fukudome and some money for what we sorely need. Set up help. Sure he is owed 14mil the next 2 years, but I do not think I am alone when I say I am tired of his 5mil a year abilities at a true star’s payrate. Of course we will need to eat half of his salary per year. But consider that if Colvin plays anything like he has so far he can easily out perform him, and at league minimum. For the blou’s of the world you can tell yourself whatever we eat of Fuke’s contract is towards Colvin. A player with much more upside than Flukodome. Not too mention it would be an even better platoon option with Nady. If Colvin Stumbles you play Nady more. I’m sure Kosuke is not thrilled with platooning anyway. Colvin will just be happy to be there. Let the Kid play!
Which GM will offer a live young arm
for Fukudome. I’d love to trade our expensive guys for solid young talent. It doesn’t work that way.
Would the Cubs want to trade Caridad for a thirty-something guy with 2 years left on a pricey deal?
I suppose not
But it does not need to be a young arm. Just a productive one. Even better one who is slightly overpaid to offset the contracts. As I mentioned we would need to eat a substantle part of what he is due, but 102 years and counting. Fuku is not the answer. He can be a solid all around guy on a team going nowhere. MAybe Seattle or Anaheim to pair him with one of his Japanese country mates. I know tht he is not close with either. But, I bet he would be with American players as the alternative. Meaning speaking to someone in his native tongue could relax him a bit more.
by ronniewoowoo2 on Mar 15, 2010 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
If we were to get a legit trade return
my opinion would change somewhat, much like if someone were to offer quality for Theriot. I don’t want Colvin sitting any more than I want Castro sitting.
Why not get rid of Mr. Fukudome and some money for what we sorely need.
ofcourse, ill just a press a button and get that done
"The roar from the crowd really fired me up," Burish said. "In warmups there were a lot of signs. One said 'Burish, my grandma is pregnant.' I don't know what that means. I skated by it and said, 'it's not mine.' "
by jesus christos on Mar 15, 2010 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
quite possibly
"The roar from the crowd really fired me up," Burish said. "In warmups there were a lot of signs. One said 'Burish, my grandma is pregnant.' I don't know what that means. I skated by it and said, 'it's not mine.' "
by jesus christos on Mar 15, 2010 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
3 things.
1 – This time last year, most people felt Colvin had an outside shot to ever see any significant time in the majors. We ALL hope this is real for Colvin… but you want more than 30 spring training at-bats to see that.
2 – Fuld is the better defender and runner, which are good characteristics for a back-up OF.
3 – It is pretty much all moot because Dome has trade protection in his contract. So he’s not going anywhere.
two problems with your suggestion
1. trading Fukudome will not bring much in return and
2. assuming Colvin is ready is a big assumption.
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by lookingdeadred on Mar 16, 2010 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions
possibly
but as Cubs Fans I think it is ok for us to dream a little. I do want to be clear. I do not expect Colvin to be the next big superstar. But I do believe he can outperform Mr. Fukudome pretty easily. I mean 10 hr and a .260 avg. is not too difficult to eclipse. Neither is 10/20 stolen base percentage. Yes, Colvin is only hitting lights out against spring training pitching. But there is resaon for optimism. The kid was a #1 pick. He had injuries. He is fully recovered and 25 good pounds heavier. There is no reason to think he will do worse than Flukodome.
by ronniewoowoo2 on Mar 16, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
There's no evidence to show that he'd do as well or better, either.
And OBP also is a factor in the equation – without looking, I believe Dome’s was .375 last year.
If .260 and 10 HR were so easy, I wouldn’t be sitting at a desk right now.
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by Shanghai Badger on Mar 16, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh yes there is
A decent but not spectacular year in AA does not mean he can play in the major leagues. He also had a OBP of .334 but a BA of .300. That shows me that there is at least one thing he needs to work on. 1st round draft pick means nothing. There have been many who never panned out.
I would bet that if he started this year he would not top what Fukudome would produce.
obviously
we will never know. in the real world we are stuck with mr. fukodome anyway and it sux. And Shanghai, I am referring moreso to minor league prospect meeting .260 and 10hr not one of us fans. But thank you for your opinion.
by ronniewoowoo2 on Mar 16, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I know what you are referring to
But just because a player’s stats might be pedestrian, it doesn’t mean that the flavor of the day is guaranteed to beat them.
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by Shanghai Badger on Mar 17, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
good point
many people like to jump from one wagon to another while trying to ride a hot hand alone
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fans like you can assume,
but Hendry has to be more realistic
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~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Mar 16, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree on Fukudome...
…trading him would require one thing the Cubs have had to do too often the last couple of years (and may have to do as well in the years to come) EAT DOUGH!!!
Something tells me, Ricketts has lost his appetitie to ingest any more green.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Actually cookie dough is pretty tasty. Have you tried that Ben and Jerry's
Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough ice cream? It’s positively delish!
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Mar 17, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Indeed.
B&J is based up here in Vermont, I might add. I highly recommend the factory tours when you’re up here.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 17, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Where else but BCB...
… could a discussion about Kosuke Fukudome turn into a suggestion to take a tour of the Ben & Jerry’s ice cream plant?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
LMAO
"Nady and his weak beard steps in" --Cubbie-Tim on Mar 12, 2010 9:53 PM
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 17, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Have you listened to Hughes and Santo?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Mar 17, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
"Patrick, I don't care for the Ben & Jerry's. It's too rich for me. I prefer Bluebird."
“Speaking of birds, Ronnie. Here comes Marlon Byrd to the plate…”
"Patrick, are there birds in here? I don't see any birds."
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Mar 17, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
" . . . to retire the side"
“No runs, no hits, no errors and three birds.”
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Mar 17, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Especially if one on here is from Vermont.
I saw Ben and Jerry’s mentioned, and it’s based in Vermont. Did you seriously expect otherwise?
(I am laughing, by the way)
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 17, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
not just suggest it
but make others truly debate about when to head there for one
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I have not...
…but I am open to giving it a go.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
i could be wrong but i am pretty sure i am not fukudome has been
worth his contract so far
4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42
Fukudome hasn't been worth his contract by any standard.
I think that the Fangraphs “value” charts massively overstate a players’ production in terms of dollars in some cases – and even Fangraphs says that Fukudome has failed to equal his salary this far. (Value $8.6 in 07, $10.4 in 08, salary $10M, $11.5M) And the salary continues to escalate.
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Small Sample Size, But...
Colvin has more potential than Fuld. If things keep going the way they are going, then Colvin should be placed on the big club ahead of Fuld. Spring training isn’t over yet, so the jury is still out.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Very True.
But if Colvin continues to Rake, how do you not keep him. We need lefty bats and the kid is eager to play.
by ronniewoowoo2 on Mar 15, 2010 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions
all the more reason
to keep him in Peoria, because the one thing a #5 OF does the most of is sit his butt on the bench.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Mar 15, 2010 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Peoria?
I may not think he should replace Fuld this season, but I don’t think he should be demoted to A ball. I am guessing you meant Iowa.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Mar 15, 2010 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions
my mistake
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Mar 16, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
One problem
Colvin needs to start. He needs to start six times a week, facing lefties, righties, flamethrowers, changeup artists. To sit colvin five days a week and start him twice a week would be detrimental to his development.
Exactly.
Fuld plays great defense and would be a wonderful late-inning replacement. Colvin looks to be the more complete player and would benefit from more consistent at-bats.
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by 14theofleury on Mar 15, 2010 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed...
Colvin will most likely head to Iowa to play every day. Sitting him will hinder his development. However, I do see him if there are major injuries into the season. Fuld fits the mold of a 5th outfielder, speed and defense.
You ARE freaking out MAN!
↑ This. ↑
He may not even start twice a week. He could see most of his time as a defensive replacement. Or, worse yet, Lou could throw him up there as a pinch hitter in high-leverage situations and kill his confidence.
While there remains a valid chance that Colvin could be the starting right fielder after Kosuke, the Cubs should develop him as such.
Dome has proven to be a .260 hitter with maybe 10 HR. He also needs a platoon partner and is nowhere near what a normal RF should be offensively.
I would much rather see Colvin if we could get Dome’s salary off the books.
It's going to take a time machine to get Dome's contract off the books.
Well, that, or just waiting 18 months. But no one else is going to pay $14M for Dome. Ever.
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Thank goodness Scales is not hitting .700 in Spring Training
Let’s see so far we have dumped Fontenot for Castro, Fuld & Dome for Colvin, Grabow is not having a good ST so we should definitely find a league minimum lefty to replace him. Colvin has had a lovely ST along with Castro, but again let’s not anoint guys who have never played a day in AAA as our saviors. In the really small sample size dept. Colvin batted .176 against MLB pitching in his 17 AB (thank Lou for that)
I have no doubt Colvin has a higher ceiling then Fuld, but right now Fuld is far more likely to be valuable on the bench and Colvin far more likely to need more playing time which he won’t get on the Cubs. Colvin is clearly a better hitter but Fuld is a better fielder, runner and bunter. This is what the Cubs need on the bench, not a guy who is very likely to have a hard time adjusting to part time role. I expect Colvin is actually this years Fuld. The guy they have in Iowa who can up if there is an injury. I am always surprised at how little it takes people here to think player X is the next Babe Ruth or even Mark DeRosa. If Nady is not ready to field both Colvin and Fuld may make the roster, but you might want to remember that Fuld hit .299 last year in his small sample size that was still six times that of Colvin.
How bout we let Colvin play a few more games in the minors before we think he can bring the Cubs a WS?
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Mar 15, 2010 6:11 PM CDT reply actions 8 recs
Jessica, that was an extremely objective assessment from someone who is obviously a
Sam Fuld fan. I agree wholeheartedly that Fuld is what the Cubs need coming off the bench and Colvin should be playing everyday to hone his skills. If he is to be an everyday player with the Cubs, he needs to be playing EVERYDAY. No languishing on the bench looking for the occasional start.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Mar 15, 2010 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Mar 15, 2010 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions
We need to find more way to use the term Annointed
I used it early today. So handy.
How about when a player goes on the DL and we want a speedy recovery – Annointing of the Sick.
"On offense, your most precious possessions are your 27 outs" - Earl Weaver
by RiskyBusiness on Mar 15, 2010 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Performaned by Ted Lilly
Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.
Ugh. You guys know what I meant.
Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.
Lol. I deserved that.
Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.
Looks like the new Cubs nutritionist at work
"On offense, your most precious possessions are your 27 outs" - Earl Weaver
by RiskyBusiness on Mar 15, 2010 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
He does have that haircut, doesn't he
"On offense, your most precious possessions are your 27 outs" - Earl Weaver
by RiskyBusiness on Mar 15, 2010 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
In fairness to Colvin,
what exactly has Fuld done to deserve a roster spot? He is basically Doug Dascenzo.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've go to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
Fuld is a better hitter and defender than Dascenzo.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Really? Can you back that up?
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by Jimmyeatworld on Mar 16, 2010 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Other than Fuld having a BA 50 points higher than Dascenzo over his career
and 70 points higher at the same point in the career, no I can’t think of a thing.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Mar 16, 2010 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fuld's career? Please.
Dascenzo had more than a cup of coffee- which is more that I can say for Sam. Don’t get me wrong, I like Sam; but let’s see how his BA stacks up against Dascenzo’s ML numbers.
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by Jimmyeatworld on Mar 16, 2010 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions
After Dascenzo's first two ML seasons...
… when he had a little over 200 PA, his career averages were .182/.256/.215. Fuld’s outdone that by a considerable margin.
Fuld’s minor league numbers are pretty comparable to Dascenzo’s (at least Dascenzo’s before he made the major leagues, although those are incomplete).
In any case, I am well aware that Sam Fuld isn’t going to be an All-Star. However, I think he’ll have a major league career at least comparable to, and probably better than, Doug Dascenzo’s.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Mar 16, 2010 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think you need to look at...
Dascenzo’s 1990-92 seasons for a comparison, although Dascenzo got more playing time than Fuld likely will, but he averaged .255/.313/.321.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've go to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
As you said...
… Dascenzo got more playing time. He probably shouldn’t have — he wasn’t that good a player. He had to play more than he would have on a better team.
Fuld is a better player and doesn’t have to play regularly. For that, he is perfectly suited (IMO).
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
The minor league performances are pretty similar...
…for both players, Dascenzo and Fuld. Dascenzo stole more bases but that’s due a difference in strategy (more SB attempts 20 years ago) rather than a difference in speed. Fuld sure stands out as a better fielder but there’s no real data to make a statistical comparison and Dascenzo had enough range to handle center. The biggest difference between the two players is that Fuld had an excellent 100 at-bats in his first real MLB stint. That aside, they’re the same type of player – a 5th outfielder with no power, that’ll take a walk, can pinch-run, and play all three OF positions. Fuld might be a bit better overall, thanks to his good defensive skills, but I can’t see much difference between the two guys.
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by LaddieRenfroe on Mar 16, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
all of you missed the most important
Dascenze pitched an inning, right?
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Oh, and thanks for the sarcasm...
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by Jimmyeatworld on Mar 16, 2010 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions
You were the one who asked
How else can you compare them. Fuld is bad because he only has 100 MLB AB ? People are pushing Colvin based on 29 Spring Training ABs. How bout you compare Colvin’s ML numbers to Fuld’s. That works for me.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Mar 16, 2010 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Relax...
I didn’t say that Fuld was bad. I also didn’t push Colvin. I have no interest in comparing Colvin to Fuld. I simply think that saying that Fuld is better than Dascenzo is not a very apt comparison, given the disparity in their experience at the ML level.
Are you currently in Arizona for some games, or stuck in the rain in NY?
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by Jimmyeatworld on Mar 16, 2010 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Sorry to have misunderstood
but tired of people wanting to judge Colvin on a great Spring Training
I am in the rain now, I leave for AZ tomorrow and will go to 5 games starting Thursday.
I hope Maddux will be back
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Mar 16, 2010 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions
No worries. I hope Maddux is there too...
Enjoy your games. Oh, it’s almost 2:30 in the morning- get some rest girl!
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by Jimmyeatworld on Mar 16, 2010 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions
I wish .
Lots to do before I go.
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Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Mar 16, 2010 1:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Also,
I’m not judging that Colvin is better than Fuld based on this spring training, I’m just saying that they deserve an equal opportunity, since Fuld has really done nothing special to deserve a roster spot.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've go to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
cant agree more
too many wanting to play flavor of the month right now
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It seems
that a lot of people are assuming Fuld is good based on 100 at-bats. I think it is to be determined.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've go to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
yeah, I realize he's a bench player,
and that’s what he should be. And his minor league numbers were not very good…
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've go to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
Eh, its pretty good,
He does walk more than he strikes out, but only by a small margin (19 more BB than Ks in the minors). Again these are minor league numbers. Joey Gathright is another player Fuld is similar to, and he had a .395 OBP in 2,100 career minor league PAs.
I still think Fuld makes the team and plays the 5th outfielder spot and hopefully not much more than that.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
sarcasm alert
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by lookingdeadred on Mar 16, 2010 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes, but can Fuld pitch an inning of relief in a blowout?
Sam Fuld can be Henry Cotto. Henry Cotto played parts of 10 years in the majors. Not well enough to be an everyday player unless there was an injury (OPS+ of 84) but enough to get into 884 games with some plus defense and plus speed.
Sam Fuld can give you a reliable late inning defensive replacement for Soriano and start 20 games in LF and 15 in CF against RHP, and be in that OPS+ range of 80-90, maybe even 100-110 once in a while if he gets hot and plays a lot against #4/#5 starters in the NL Central. But he is not a starter.
Tyler Colvin may be able to give you more than that. Or maybe not. Or maybe he’s trade bait. But no matter what, he needs to start in CF for four months at AAA.
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by Invalid User on Mar 16, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Al
We cannot assume Fuld is a better hitter than Dascenzo anymore than we can say Colvin projects to perform as well in the Majors. Fuld hit .299 last year in limited play with 2rbis on the last day of the season. Trust me, if Fuld played more than a 5th outfielder he would be exposed and hence have numbers along the line of Dascenzo’s career stats. Don’t get me wrong, I love little Sammy Fuld. He plays hardnosed baseball and is fearless in the field. But kinda like Rudy Reuttiger he is not built for the game. Gotta lot of heart with not much going otherwise.
by ronniewoowoo2 on Mar 16, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmm... we cannot assume Fuld is a better hitter than Dascenzo, but at the same time...
…we’re supposed to trust you that Fuld would get exposed with more playing time?
Is the latter not an assumption on your part? How is it that you can assume but we cannot?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Much more than Colvin actually
Colvin has had a great spring training but you don’t decide a guy should be an MLB player on 29 Spring Training at bats. His minor league stats are not that impressive. Fuld has been a far more consistent hitter than Colvin at both the minor and major league level. It is true that Fuld has no power and that means he will almost surely never be a regular, but he is exactly what you want for a BENCH outfielder. He is the best defensive player and runner on the roster. He is one of very few players who has more walks than strike outs at both the major and minor league level. He gives the bench great versatility as spot starter, defensive replacement, pinch runner and pinch hitter especially if you need to advance runner. Some day Colvin may be what Fuld never will, a major league starter but there is nothing other than those 29 at bats to indicate he is anywhere near that now.
So let Colvin actually play in AAA and see how he does, while Fuld is on the bench in the bigs.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Mar 15, 2010 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Colvin
is a much better player than you think, but with that being said, its probably better for him to play everyday in Iowa. Lot of those stats from his earlier minor league career was playing with that injured arm that require Tommy John. It was recorded that no less than six times in a four year span he was shut down for time period because of the pain which he never complained about. Now he’s able to workout and has got stronger, which he wasnt able to do the prior three off seasons, and your seeing the pain free version. With all that being said he probably needs to go to Iowa for at bats that he needs at this point. If one of starters gets hurt in the outfield, I think you can say its probably Colvin who’ll get the call and hopefully he’ll be ready!
With this I would agree
Colvin could be a starter some day, while Fuld is a professional backup at ebst
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Mar 16, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh my gosh!
Has Hell frozen over????
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 16, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
funny
I like how you worded this:
think player X is the next Babe Ruth or even Mark DeRosa.
as if DeRosa is better than Ruth. Great post though.
I saw you in that coffee shop, breaking the fifth commandment. Congress passes these things for a reason, Lois.
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I think this is in reference to the ridiculous amount of "the world is ending" posts when we traded DeRosa.
You could’ve also said, “Thinks player X is the next Babe Ruth, or if you’re TheGrinch the next Jake Fox.”
Really means the same thing.
can babe ruth cure cancer?
i dont think so
"The roar from the crowd really fired me up," Burish said. "In warmups there were a lot of signs. One said 'Burish, my grandma is pregnant.' I don't know what that means. I skated by it and said, 'it's not mine.' "
by jesus christos on Mar 16, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
couldn't cure his own cancer
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Mar 16, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
fool didnt know to call mark derosa
"The roar from the crowd really fired me up," Burish said. "In warmups there were a lot of signs. One said 'Burish, my grandma is pregnant.' I don't know what that means. I skated by it and said, 'it's not mine.' "
by jesus christos on Mar 16, 2010 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Or Ted Lilly
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 16, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Doggie
I am not trying to go all Scott Moore here. I know it is springtraining. The point is Tyler was a number 1 pick. He has recovered from injury and he is hungry. Flukodome is a lost cause. If Colvin Faulters we have insurance in Nady who will be able to play full time by June 1st. assuming Colvin does not pan out, the season will be far from over when Nady takes the job outright. I guess I just cant deal with Kosuke anymore. I mean he has to lead the league in weak groundballs to the right side.(Unless Juan Pierre is 1st of Course) I would give 7mil per annum with Fluke for a half way decent setup man with a decent contract of his own.
by ronniewoowoo2 on Mar 16, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Flukodome is a lost cause.< /em>
Assumes facts not in evidence.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Mar 16, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
And who is Colvin Faulters?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Mar 16, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I may have dated him ;-)
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
lol
If Tyler Colvin Faulters ie struggles. i think you are just messing with me now.
by ronniewoowoo2 on Mar 16, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, I tend to not be serious sometimes.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Mar 17, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I had a mini-debate on that, myself.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Mar 17, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Fukudome had over a .300 career BA in Japan
And came to a country where he knew almost no one and does not even speak the language. I can’t imagine that is an easy transition.
Is he worth the 12+ MM he’s gotten? No, I won’t try and argue that he is, however, to say that he is a lost cause is way over the top. He’s now been here for two years, starting his third year – let’s give him the benefit of the doubt and see if he can rectify the problems he’s had to start his MLB career. Replacing him immediately, eating 7MM and putting in a minor league prospect who until 2 weeks ago was more or less unimpressive is not the answer.
by bdlugz on Mar 16, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't buy the ....
… “knew almost no one and does not even speak the language” argument. Didn’t affect Ichiro when he came here.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Mar 16, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, Ichiro is an elite player.
I’m not sure it’s fair to compare anyone to him. And, to be honest, it’s hard to quantify how much the cultural transition affected Kosuke. What I’m mainly agreeing with is that Kosuke is not a lost cause and that he showed enough improvement last season to deserve his place in the lineup. He certainly doesn’t deserve to be replaced by a prospect who happens to be having a hot spring.
Agreed regarding Fukudome
He has value if he is used intelligently. He is a good RF, the best choice to lead off against RHers, and a good player to come off the bench to hit and or play defense.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Mar 16, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
This is typical Cubdom. Excuses Excuses. We can give him the benefit of the doubt all we want. Kosuke Fukodome will at best peak with .276 avg and 15HR. The homeruns being a stretch. Trust me I was all for his signing based on his numbers in Japan. It makes me wonder, are the walls closer in over there. Maybe homeruns are only 290ft to the right and left.
by ronniewoowoo2 on Mar 16, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
And
You also typify a big part of Cubdom. The part led by BLou.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by WayneCampbell08 on Mar 16, 2010 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
nope
http://baseballguru.com/jalbright/stadiums.htm
Typical dimensions are 309-320 feet down the lines, 340-350 feet to straightaway right or left, 360-365 feet to the gaps, and 400 to dead center. A typical fence is 13 feet high.
Not that much different from MLB stadiums. Wrigley:
Left Field – 355 ft (108.2 m)
Left-Center Field – 368 ft (112.2 m)
Center Field – 400 ft (121.9 m)
Right-Center Field – 368 ft (112.2 m)
Right Field – 353 ft (107.6 m)
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Mar 16, 2010 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions
There's more to baseball than home runs.
Very few, if any, expected Kosuke to be much of a power hitter when he was signed. His skill set was mainly: Very strong OBP, doubles power and excellent defense – and he’s delivered that for the most part. I’m not saying his time with the Cubs has been all peaches and cream, but he brings a lot of value that you’re conveniently ignoring in your rush to annoint Tyler Colvin king of right field.
Oh, and it’s typical Cubdom to focus on an outdated, highly limited stat like batting average, too.
Let's not underestimate...
…the effect of having an extensive Asian and Japanese population. Comparatively speaking both are fairly thin on the ground in Chicagoland. Japanese exchange students also flock to Washington’s universities. And at SeaTac, tram announcements and displays are often repeated in Japanese.
Ichiro has commented on this ‘sameness’ in the past.
"With Chance on first, and Evers on third,
Great things from the Cubs will soon be heard."
And on a related...
…note, you can use “Sugar” as an example. In one of the minor scenes, a couple of friends noted how “easy” it was in Arizona because everybody spoke Spanish. Contrast that with the nearly complete lack of language skills demonstrated by the mid-Westerners.
"With Chance on first, and Evers on third,
Great things from the Cubs will soon be heard."
If anyone would take the Cubs up on that, they'd have made the move.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Mar 16, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
No, I'm not. But if I had to guess, I'd guess that they have.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Mar 17, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Flukodome - hey, points for originality.
Now try looking at his OBP and wOBA and tell me about all the weak groundballs to the right side. Not to mention his great defense in right field. You’ve fallen in love with a guy having a hot first couple weeks of spring training. Rise above it.
Micah!
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Mar 16, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Not necessarily
fallen in love with Colvin’s play. Actually, more being aggravated with Kosuke’s play. Yes you are right he has one maybe two great characteristics. One, he plays a solid to slightly above average right field. 2. He has a good eye and will take a walk. But he does so to a fault. Sometimes you have to swing the bat and he just holds steady until eventually letting out that ridiculous helicopter swing on a ball outside.
by ronniewoowoo2 on Mar 16, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
One of Tyler Colvin's red flags in the minors...
…is lack of plate discipline. So you’re suggesting the Cubs take a guy with established plate discipline (Kosuke has a career .367 OBP in 1,193 PAs) and replacing him with a prospect who’s highly dubious in that category – all in the hopes of some majestic home runs.
Look, I’m as happy for Tyler’s success thus far as anyone. But why don’t let him finish out spring training strong and continue to build confidence (and plate discipline) in the minors before we decide that his theoretical power will outperform Kosuke’s established on-base skills.
+1
Tyler Colvin should be on the Cubs roster when there is a spot for him to play every day. You don’t let a prospect of his experience sit on the bench and make the occasional spot start or pinch hitting appearance unless you project him in that part-time role.
I believe that the Cubs see Colvin as an everyday player and as such he should be placed at the appropriate level that allows to be in an everyday lineup. Yes, he has opened some eyes and it’s a nice story, but he’s really not part of the plan for this year. If he goes to triple A and continues to tear it up, you figue out a way to make him part of the mix, but you don’t add him to an opening day roster and let him languish on the bench.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Mar 17, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Well if shes shown this kind of improvement and commitment
do we want him wasting away on the bench? why not get another year of ABs in the minors and bring him up to take Fukudome’s spot eventually
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Yes Tyler has improved.
But I want to see this consistently. I’m not a fan of bringing him north because the problem is one, he has been a streaky hitter thoughout his career in the minors. He’s shown flashes of greatness but then he could go 2-50 in the blink of an eye.
It’s great that he’s added 20 pounds to his frame. He needed to do that if he wanted to get consideration to even be considered a starter in the future. What he does need to improve on is his strike zone judgement. I’ve seen reports of him and the knack on him is his discipline of the strikezone.
I would not be in favor of him rotting on the bench in Chicago. I want to see him substain this type of play for the rest of spring training and for him to keep some sort of consistency when/if he goes to Iowa.
Remember this is spring training. Milton Bradley (‘09) and some other players had great spring training stats. Let’s hope Tyler can keep this up, and give us another position prospect to look out for. But way too early to tell.
2010 is OUR year.
by Unique on Mar 15, 2010 8:56 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Reviewing trades the Cubs make
will be more interesting now. We actually have guys in the pipeline people really like. I have a hunch JH will make a trade before opening day. My hunch is Barney+ for a reliever, but I have no sources, and that is pure speculation. But having quality to trade makes trades a/ more likely and b/ objectionable, based on who was involved.
sounds plausible
and i could see that happening
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Castro Blocker Fan Club
agreed
Also, I fully expecy the Cubs to compete for the div., from the start and all year. I think a team with Dome and Fuld, Theriot, Baker and Fontenot, give them a better chance to do that right now. I really hope our prospects develop into good ballplayers, esp. Ccasto and Colvin, but that’s a lot to expect from them immediately.
Don't You Worry MDavis
As soon as Soriano pulls, tears or breaks something(Not that I’m hoping) there will be a Tyler Colvin sighting.
These are good problems to have in spring training
Colvin has been a real pleasant suprise so far. Looks like he might be able to seriously contribute sometime during the season if need be. A case can be made for keeping Colvin and Fuld, but it probably involves Nady starting the season on the DL.
"I'd rather hit home runs you don't have to run as hard." -- Dave Kingman
by BucknerKongCardenal on Mar 15, 2010 10:10 PM CDT reply actions
The Braves
always had a philosophy: better to bring up a player one year too late than one year too early.
If Colvin is going to rot on the bench and get maybe one or two at bats a week, I would rather Colvin get game experience playing everyday.
Hendry has really hamstrung outfielders in the farm system with his contracts to Fukudome, Soriano and now Byrd. Unless he is able to make some trades or eat some money, we are at least two years away from any farm system players starting in the outfield.
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- George Santayana (1863-1952)
As a side note
To say he’s hamstrung the OF’s in the system is probably a bit too far for my tastes because the OF situation in the minors is … a work in progress. Our top OF prospect is Brett Jackson, and even in a really positive scenario, he’s at least 1 year, and more likely 2-3 years, away. Our next guy is Kyler Burke, and he’s 2-3 years away as well, assuming he develops. After that, there are guys like Brandon Guyer and Tyler Colvin, guys that have a chance to be decent starters but also might profile more as 4th OF’s down the line. Short of it is, I don’t know if there’s the talent there to worry about anything. If Brett Jackson develops, someone will be shifted/moved. Byrd’s contract is okay enough that you can place him as an expensive bench bat. If Fukudome builds on his consistency last year, he’ll be a moveable asset as his contract winds down.
Totally agree about Byrd's contract.
Too many fans – oh, and Paul Sullivan, of course – see Byrd as “blocking” younger players when he’s really just a stopgap. And I say that with no disrespect to Marlon; I’m actually looking forward to watching him play this season.
re hamstrung
Hendry was ‘hamstrung’ into paying big money to get outfielders, because our system had none. Cubs fans in 2006 displayed they wouldn’t stand for bad baseball anymore. Hendry had to upgrade. He had nothing even approaching the horizon. He did two things. He overspent for live talent. He started drafting better talent.
As to whether he could have done better at either, I’m not going there. That horse has been beaten to death. Fortunately, we are far better off now than then.
In a few years, with a few more quality drafts, we could be far better off then than now.
Colvin
Ive always really liked Tyler Colvin ever since he was drafted. I think he could be the good player he was drafted to be. But what bad would it do to put him in AAA to see if he can continue his new 20 pounds of muscle mashing the ball image. Again I really like the kid, lets just hope he feels the same way about me. lol
Let him go chill in Triple-A for awhile
that way we have a spot open when he is completely ready in our overpriced outfield…
"God watches over drunks and third baseman."- Leo Durocher
by BelieveinBlue2314 on Mar 16, 2010 10:52 AM CDT reply actions
Screw Colvin
Let’s trade him for LIND!!!
by Don't Fear the Reaper on Mar 16, 2010 11:25 AM CDT reply actions
My 2 cents
unless you make dome the 5th outfielder tyler colvin waste away on the bench. I would much rather have Fuld on the team for defense baserunning. But an intriguing point could me made to have DOme become the fifth outfielder if he starts poorly and Colvin tears the cover off the ball. I am very excited to see what Colvin can do. I had about given up on him but I think he can actually play CF and i think he can also hit… He had a pretty solid year at AA last year.
As much as I hate rooting for a Clemson Tiger, this is one i will root for
4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42
as is Paul Sullivan
yet he got ripped by MR. Sports know it all in a previous fanshot.
by ronniewoowoo2 on Mar 16, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Sullivan deserves to be ripped.
And no decision has been made on this, so no one is right or wrong yet.
As for Fukudome's language
barrier, doesn’t he have a translator?. Also, don’t both Lee and Soriano speak some Japanese? The language barrier is no excuse for his production, he doesn’t have to read the ball, just hit it.
dunno about 2009
but the guy who did the work in 2008 was fired because he didn’t get along with Dome, I believe.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Mar 16, 2010 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I stand by...
…my original assessment: That when bringing over a foreign national to play, you factor in the cost of a translator into the contract. Said player brings over a bi-lingual friend/coach/whatever, and helps him acclimate.
"With Chance on first, and Evers on third,
Great things from the Cubs will soon be heard."
I don't know about Derrek Lee...
…but I think Soriano speaks some Japanese but can hardly be considered fluent.
Soriano spent a couple years playing in Japan.
He has to know some.
D-Lee’s father, Leon Lee, played in Japan, and Derrek lived there with him for a while.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
You'd be surprised
A buddy of mine lived in Shanghai for 4 years and knows very little Mandarin.
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by Shanghai Badger on Mar 17, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
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