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Magic Bus: Cubs Survive Bus Breakdown, Lose To Rockies 5-2

Thank you, driver, for getting me here (Too much, Magic Bus) You'll be an inspector, have no fear (Too much, Magic Bus) I don't want to cause no fuss (Too much, Magic Bus) But can I buy your Magic Bus? (Too much, Magic Bus) Nooooooooo! -- The Who, "Magic Bus"

SCOTTSDALE, Arizona -- While the Cubs had some adventures in just getting to Tucson after their bus broke down about 45 minutes outside of Mesa, I arrived without incident in the Valley of the Sun this evening -- ready to go to my first 2010 baseball game tomorrow.

But you don't care about that, and you really don't care much about the Cubs' 5-2 loss to the Rockies, other than Carlos Zambrano looked pretty good, and so did Tyler Colvin (2-for-4, his sixth spring RBI -- he's making it real hard for the team to send him down). Z also doubled in a run.

What I know you're fascinated with -- as was I, following a series of entertaining if pointless tweets from Cubs beat writers about the event earlier today -- is the Cubs' bus breakdown and how Kevin Millar entertained the entire team on the way down (save Z and Koyie Hill, who were rescued by Z's brother, who was driving down separately):

Kevin Millar did a few impressions for his teammates, and the bus driver was able to play a movie. The Cubs watched Clint Eastwood in "Gran Torino." Starting pitcher Carlos Zambrano was on the bus, but a cousin was following in a car behind it and pulled over to take the righty and catcher Koyie Hill to Tucson's Hi Corbett Field.

That left the Cubs with a pitcher, a catcher and utility player Jeff Baker, who drove himself.

"I can be 'Bugs Bunny' and play everywhere," Baker said.

Look, I'm well aware that Millar is nearing the end of his career and isn't a very good hitter any more. But there is value to having that sort of camaraderie. I'm not saying Millar will make the difference in winning or losing this year, and I'm not even saying he should make the team. But you can clearly see the difference already between last year's draggy bunch and the atmosphere surrounding the Cubs in spring training.

There's something else important that happened today -- more after the jump.

Star-divide

Lou Piniella today named Ryan Theriot his leadoff man.

Seriously, Lou? Was this preordained? Fukudome has led off exactly one of the 13 spring games so far, going 0-for-3. Theriot has led off eight of the games, going 11-for-20. Granted, Theriot has looked good in general this spring and Fukudome hasn't -- but making this choice after not really even giving Fukudome a chance?

If Ryan Theriot can remember who he is and stop trying to muscle balls out of the ballpark, and remember what he did in 2008 when he had a .387 OBA, this could work out OK. What I'd rather see Lou do is platoon them in the leadoff spot -- let Fukudome lead off vs. RHP, with Theriot hitting 2nd. Then, Theriot could hit leadoff vs. LHP, and Xavier Nady -- who can draw walks once in a while -- hit second. Nady isn't a prototypical two hitter, but I think he'd do fine in that spot in the games he starts.

This could, obviously, be changed. But when spring training started, this was supposed to be a competition. Fukudome never got a real chance.

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Colvin does not need to

be in Chicago if he’s not going to play much. Unless Nady isn’t completely ready to platoon with Fukudome, I see no reason to have Colvin up. Fuld can give what the club needs as a 5th outfielder (a pinch runner, defensive replacement, etc). Colvin would lose timing a rhythm if we only can get him a couple at-bats a week.

2010 is OUR year.

by Unique on Mar 15, 2010 10:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Welcome to the Southwest, Al!

Glad to see you made it safely! I think that we’re going to Friday’s game in Glendale. I’ll look for you.

by Sckrambo on Mar 15, 2010 10:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Sounds good.

Will be on the lawn — somewhere. Don’t know exactly where. Email me with more contact info.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 15, 2010 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know... I don't want to get ahead of myself

But, when the Cubs signed Byrd, I was especially irritated because that signing meant they were now blocking all 3 outfield spots from the farm system. Then, they added Nady, which spelled doom for youth on the bench.

And, it was guys like Colvin, and perhaps sooner than later Brett Jackson, who I was thinking of. The Cubs really have to do a better job of scouting their own system and recognizing when the farm talent may be ready, and keeping the major league roster flexible enough for the farm to make an impact.

I understand their window is tight, and with Lou running the squad… it’ll likely be a veteran team. But, come on… give the kids an opportunity. They invested a high pick Colvin to begin with. If it’s not working, you’ll have a chance to improve the position at the trading deadline.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Mar 15, 2010 10:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Disagree

Jackson likely won’t be ready until 2012 at the earliest. Fukudome will be gone by then.

It is still questionable whether Colvin is a starting OF’er. At this point, he is definitely not ready to start.

by rlpete on Mar 16, 2010 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

True,

but it’s not like Colvin had torn it up the past couple years. If this means Colvin goes down to Triple A, a level he’s yet to play at, then so be it. I’d rather wait a year for the Nady contract to expire or then attempt to trade Kosuke with a year left on his contract than dump Colvin in the same manner the Cubs dumped Pie.

by shoemile on Mar 15, 2010 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Colvin still has options, Pie was dumped because he didn't

Otherwise I agree. If Colvin really emerges this year the Cubs could always deal Fukudome before 2011.

I don’t think Byrd will block Jackson, either.

"I'd rather hit home runs you don't have to run as hard." -- Dave Kingman

by BucknerKongCardenal on Mar 15, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't know if Kosuke has any trade value.

"If I wasn't in our band I'd hate us, just to be cool." -Daniel Johns

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Mar 16, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

How are they "blocked"?

Byrd and Nady are signed to cheap, tradeable deals. If a young player excels, they can find room for them.

by JohnM on Mar 16, 2010 5:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

What is the rush with Colvin?

Last year, he was viewed a flop. Other than a hot streak this Spring Training there is no reason to think he is ready to start as a center fielder for the Cubs.

He is just the bright new shiny penny this year just like Murton, Hoffpauir and Fox in prior years. I still suspect Colvin is a 4th outfielder.

by rlpete on Mar 16, 2010 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hell, better yet, this may be the perfect trade high opportunity.

Colvin has finally shown flashes of potential expected when drafted so high.

I expect the return on Murton, Hoffpauir, and Fox may have been greater if the Cubs sought, or accepted, trades for these three when they were still on an up trajectory and before the warts were revealed at the MLB level.

Is he? Isn’t he? There’s value while there’s still a question that won’t exist if the answer is no.

may addition by subtraction be real

by N Oakley on Mar 16, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Disagree

The Cubs weren’t getting much for Fox or Murton (or Hoffpauir if they trade him). They never were considered good prospects. No one expected they would ever be starters.

Now Colvin could get more in return but he won’t return much. He isn’t even listed in any top Cubs propsects list anymore. What do you hope to get back? Barring a good relief pitcher what else could the Cubs get that would help them this year?

by rlpete on Mar 16, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Quite honestly, I don't have any particular idea.

I saw your post and noted how similar Colvin appears to the players you listed as a guy who wasn’t/isn’t a top prospect, but tearing up camp while cost controlled.

I guess this is more a lament on the rarity of the organization selling high to fill current and future needs and usually looking to trade players after all flaws are exposed (Murton, Fox, Pattersons, Hill, Bradley) or someone in the organization has soured on (Eyre, Pie, Bradley).

With Soriano, Byrd, Fukudome, Nady & Fuld in place, Millar & Tracy fighting for a roster spot, but capable of emergency corner OF fill in, Hoffpauir a 1B/DH, and Jackson, looking like the OF prospect, is Colvin’s value to the organization greater this year in trade or in the future on the field?

may addition by subtraction be real

by N Oakley on Mar 16, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

My take

Colvin is a better prospect than Fox (no position), Hoffpauir (too old) and Murton (I never saw the interest). That said, he isn’t that special of a prospect that he will get much back by himself. He isn’t even listed as a top Cubs prospect. His value is much better to the Cubs to keep him for the future or trade him if his value increases.

On the sell high issue, you are right on Pie and Hill. They would have gotten more if he was traded earlier but you don’t always know what will become of a prospect. Should the Cubs trade Castro right now?

The Cubs did sell high on Eric Patterson and Sean Gallagher.

by rlpete on Mar 16, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the difference between Castro and Colvin is the

perfect example for a discussion like this.

Castro – If Cub management believes he is as advertised, will keep developing, and barring injury, will be the starting SS for 2011 onward, then that is too valuable to trade. If they believe his bat is flawed and will be exposed with extended time in AAA or the Majors, it may be time to strike.

Colvin – If he’s developing and management has a spot for him, great. I’m not buying the whole blocked thing as he’s yet to perform to warrant finding a spot. If he’s no longer part of future plans, don’t wait for what limited value there may be to diminish.

may addition by subtraction be real

by N Oakley on Mar 16, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

What is wrong with a wait and see approach with Colvin?

I don’t think he would get much in return right now. Why not send him down and see what happens?

by rlpete on Mar 16, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

All hindsight if you ask me

Going into this off season, it was either Byrd or Fuld for the CF job. Nady hasn’t proven that he can either play CF or last the entire season so you can’t use that.

Colvin was an afterthought. He wasn’t expected to do much and just to start in AA or AAA. His call-up last year was out of necessity. I’m glad it inspired him and I’m glad he looks great. But it wasn’t seen going into the offseason.

Jackson is still a few years away.

"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck

by Musicdude10 on Mar 16, 2010 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

So how long before

Colvin’s performance makes the Byrd contract look really bad? What’s the point of building up the farm system if we’re just going to have Hendry trading away all the prospects and signing mediocre age 30+ players to multi-year deals?

by aphoward13 on Mar 15, 2010 10:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Here's the deal, though.

If Colvin could make the team as a spare OF this year, and show well, and Byrd also does well — well then, Byrd’s contract is tradeable.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 15, 2010 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't this the same situation as Castro?

I mean, stashing Colvin on the bench seems like it’s going to hurt his development just like it would to keep Castro active.

Real question is, what will this team do if Byrd returns to pre-Arlington form?

by aphoward13 on Mar 15, 2010 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Except Castro's only 19 and needs to play every day.

Colvin already has more experience than Castro.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 15, 2010 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

But, what gets me is this:

Prior to the off-season, if you looked at the system and optimistically wondered which guys could possibly be everyday players in 2010… you would have probably looked at an OF spot and SS.

So, thinking along those lines, why wouldn’t you keep the salary of the roster flexible enough to give those positions a real opportunity?

Like I said above… if you’re wrong, and it turns into another Felix Pie situation, you can always tinker with the club in mid-season (on the assumption that you’ll be in the hunt in your division through mid-season regardless).

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Mar 15, 2010 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

But... if you're right...

You’ve just gotten a plus performance from a young player for a great price.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Mar 15, 2010 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

If Hendry had not gone out and gotten Byrd, and Colvin was a bust, the same people who are now complaining about Colvin being blocked from playing by overpriced veterans, would be complaining about Hendry relying on unproven overrated minor league “talent”.

Colvin was and is a much bigger risk than Byrd who has proven what he can do at the big league level. Hendry made the right move in getting Byrd instead of assuming Colvin or Sam Fuld for cryin out loud.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Mar 16, 2010 7:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

In my opinion, Colvin would only be considered ‘blocked by the veteran’ if at a later age he were tearing up the minors much in the way Jake and Micah did and there was no where else to go. He’s having a good spring, so did MB. We are better off TODAY at least, having Byrd on this team.

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by tony412 on Mar 16, 2010 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Willie's gloves is right on here.

I’m glad cooler heads are prevailing on Colvin. I’m a big Fuld fan, but completely understand the Byrd acquisition. Having a Fuld and hopefully Colvin as a fifth or the inevitable mid to late season callup is a good position to be in. Outfield spots will be opening up if these young guys continue to produce. For this year, having Byrd in center and shifting Fuk to left makes the OF much better defensively.

For this team to win, the veterans that had off years or injuries last year must produce this year. If that happens, the offense will have no problem scoring runs.

If there is something to be getting our panties in a wad about, it may be pitching. Or, more specifically, the bullpen. There are some big unanswered questions there. I love Caridad, but do we know he can be a successful setup man for a whole year? Will Marmol find the plate on a consistent basis? Who is getting the game to those two with a lead intact?

::stepping off soapbox::

Some people say the glass is half empty, some say half full. I say, are you going to drink that?

by BleedsbluinMI on Mar 16, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

quick question

You mean shifting Fuk to right, don’t you?

"Chicago Cubs baseball is on the air."-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Mar 16, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

twss

may addition by subtraction be real

by N Oakley on Mar 16, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, sorry, good catch.

I was kind of on a roll and missed that. Thanks!

Some people say the glass is half empty, some say half full. I say, are you going to drink that?

by BleedsbluinMI on Mar 16, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

turn it green

This puts Colvin in a good spot for NEXT year, not this year.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 16, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Colvin was the 13th overall pick in the 2006 draft....

If you can’t create opportunity for your top draft pick to compete for a roster spot, than you’re admitting failure from many angles.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Mar 16, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

If the Cubs went into Spring Training without signing Nady (or Dye, Reed, etc)

As fans we would be calling for their heads. We’d all find it ridiculous that the team would be relying on one of a few youngsters not projected to be good enough for the majors this year to step up, and we’d be right to do so. The only reason we’re having this debate is because Colvin has had a strong 2 weeks. If he keeps that up through ST, or if he tears it up in AAA, we’ll find a way to get him up to the major league squad. Heck, we were even able to do that for Jake Fox last year, despite his lack of a position.

Going into ST assuming one of your young guys is going to play over his head and exceed expectations by at least one level (AAA vs. ML) is something a team desperate for money and fighting lesser expectations might do. For the Cubs, that would be PR suicide, especially when the team is trying to rebound to win the division as well as the hearts of a lot of fans who may have been disillusioned by last season.

by madcow256 on Mar 17, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Colvin

What from his past minor league seasons would lead you to believe that he is ready to start? If he didn’t have a hot 30 odd AB’s in Spring Training no one would be talking about Colvin.

by rlpete on Mar 16, 2010 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Short memory, must have a sho-o-o-ort memory

Last year, our farm system was rated 26th (usually) out of thirty teams.. That’s not good. Many of our moves were made in realization of our limited resources (of quality players). Zoom ahead until now. We’re middle of the pack (or higher) in most of those same rankings. People are clamoring for any number of youthful players to be in Wrigley. In April. Playing. But they’re ‘blocked’ by guys we needed to sign, because our kids weren’t ready.

Step one, take a deep breath.
Step two, realize that ‘prospect’ doesn’t mean ‘will start fourteen straight All Star Games’.
Step three, Accept that there is some wisdom to letting guys under, ohhhh, 22, start most of the time.
Step four, A year at AAA (or AA) rarely ruins a player who hasn’t mastered both levels.

I’m very happy the system is looking up. This will pay dividends down the road. A fan wanting to start (insert young player’s name here) at (insert location of upper level Cubs affiliate) doesn’t mean he hates said player or wants the team to lose. It is usually a wise strategy.

Step five, enjoy the season. Don’t forget to read Josh’s daily updates.

by timh815 on Mar 16, 2010 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agree

I love the progress of Colvin, but lets put this into perspective. He was hurt in 08, really did not rip the hell out of the ball in 09, was solid. He has made changes, gained good weight and has had a good SPRING so far. If gets sent down, and continues to hit, he will find a spot.

by Grockcubs on Mar 16, 2010 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

He has been a nice surprise,

but probably will begin the season in Iowa. This guy was a first round pick only a few years ago, I’m not sure why people are so surprised he’s playing well, and so skeptical that he can’t play well consistently.

"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've go to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella

by tripdenten on Mar 16, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Theriot leading off?

Ugh. C’mon Lou. I assume this would mean Kosuke in the 2 hole and Fontenot in the 6 hole.

by shoemile on Mar 15, 2010 10:13 PM CDT reply actions  

But shouldn't Kosuke be leading off against righties?

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 15, 2010 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes and yes

Although indications are pointing to the contrary.

''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou

by propheteer on Mar 15, 2010 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, but looking at the quote, I doubt he will

How many lefties are we likely to face this year? A number much less than right handed pitchers. If Lou planned on leading off with Kosuke against righties, he’d declare Kosuke the normal lead off hitter.

by shoemile on Mar 15, 2010 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kosuke should be leading off everyday...

And we should be paying his hitting coach from Japan to stay here all year long! He tears the cover off the ball when his coach is here! You’re already paying him all those millions to begin with… what’s another $150,000 to keep his coach here?

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Mar 15, 2010 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 16, 2010 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

It would seem so

But can anyone take any line up decision by Piniella seriously? Seems to change every few games.

"I'd rather hit home runs you don't have to run as hard." -- Dave Kingman

by BucknerKongCardenal on Mar 15, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

YES

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Mar 16, 2010 7:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

That was a short competition.

"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will

by eswan9 on Mar 15, 2010 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Theriot should be kept in the leadoff spot..

I don’t know why everyone wants to change things all the time. “We need more lefties”, that’s all I ever here, especially last year, and where does that get us…last year we missed a playoff spot because that’s all we ever worried about. 2 and 3 years ago Theriot was leading off and we were doing very well. We try changing things up, moving guys here and there, and we do too much and screw ourselves. Fukudome is lucky he’s even getting a chance to put on the uniform. Nady, when he gets healthier should be in RF, or better yet should be in LF for Soriano. I don’t know, now that I think about it, I should be in LF for Soriano…I play golf, I’m a good golfer, I probably have a golf swing like Soriano does, well maybe not as good.

by alabamacubbie on Mar 15, 2010 11:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Actually golf-swinging Soriano was leading off 2 and 3 years ago (when healthy)...

…but overall I’m ok with this as well. Lou thinks that Theriot can go back to being the line-drive opposite way hitter he was a couple years ago, when he wasn’t listening to Lou’s advice to hit with more power. I think something else that factored in was stolen bases. While Kosuke will probably have a slightly higher on-base percentage, Theriot is a much better base stealer (Fukudome’s stolen base percentage last year was horrible). And I emphasize base STEALER, not base runner…

Theriot already has 4 stolen bases this spring and hasn’t been caught once. Obviously it’s a small sample size and I’m not sure why Lou named him lead-off so early, but so far I’d say he’s been everything you would want out of a leadoff hitter. Except for the getting picked off of first base part.

by mgrace17 on Mar 15, 2010 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nobody is proposing we put Kosuke in the leadoff spot because he's a lefty

We’re saying it because he’s a better leadoff hitter. Unless you think scrap is more important than getting on base.

He’s a better hitter overall than Theriot is too, just at a position where the standards for hitting are higher than SS. So I don’t know why you would say “Fukudome is lucky he’s even getting a chance to put on a uniform”.

by madcow256 on Mar 16, 2010 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 16, 2010 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

How do you figure that he is a better leadoff hitter

than Theriot when Theriot has better numbers than Fukudome. He’s had better numbers the past 2 years than Fukudome. Ever since Fukudome had that Home Run against the Brew Crew a couple of years ago everyone has developed this liking for Fukudome. Truth is, is that he is an average hitter, and is very overrated. Everyone thought we were getting a Ichiro when we just got an average hitter. Granted he may be smarter on the bases than Theriot, but if you can’t get on the bases, what does it really matter??? And in reference to what you said about Fukudome not being put in the leadoff spot because he’s a lefty, I didn’t say that he was being put there specifically for that reason. I was saying that the Cub’s try this fancy crap LHP vs a right handed or left handed hitter, or this guy hits well off this guy on the third week of the 2nd month, when it’s sunny outside. I mean all this stuff, there just thinking too much. If the guy is fast and gets on base more often, then put him in the leadoff spot. But I do question that Theriot is trying more to hit for power these days, which isn’t good!

by alabamacubbie on Mar 16, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am not proposing either or...

But Fukudome has had a better OBP than Theriot for sure. So your argument for who gets on base more doesn’t work very well.

by CubFan90 on Mar 16, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Better OBP, better slugging, better OPS, better OPS+

Worse SB numbers. Slightly worse K to BB ratio. I don’t see alabamacubbie’s argument here at all.

It would be one thing to say that Theriot should be our leadoff hitter against lefties. That I can agree with. But against righties, there isn’t really a comparison.

by madcow256 on Mar 16, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I understand

I can’t really stay polite in response to comments like “everyone has developed this liking for Fukudome” and “Theriot has better numbers than Fukudome”.

1. I don’t have a strong liking for Fukudome. I want to see him succeed because he’s paid a lot, but I won’t defend his underwhelming first few seasons.

2. His numbers, as underwhelming as they have been, are still better than Theriot’s, no matter how you slice them. The SB arguments is incredibly underwhelming when you realize a guy needs to be successful more than 70% of the time to even be a net positive in runs produced, and Theriot hasn’t done that since 2007.

The right tool for the job – that’s Fukudome at leadoff when he’s playing (Theriot or Fuld or whoever else when he’s not).

by madcow256 on Mar 16, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I think Piniella’s decision comes down to giving Theriot the leadoff spot for comfort and consistent lead-off ABs.

Or, it was guranteed as part of the arbitration case lost by Theriot!

by CubFan90 on Mar 16, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just think Lou likes his guys and Ryan is one of them

Theriot has been loyal to Lou to a fault (trying to become a power hitter last year) and Lou rewards that kind of behavior, regardless of what the stats say.

Sometimes these types of decisions pay off. I am personally not expecting that in this case.

by madcow256 on Mar 16, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Perhaps.

I tend to try not to get into Piniella’s head. I might not ever get out. All in all, I think this is something that is definitely subject to change if it doesn’t seem to be working out, and honestly, I doubt it will be one of the concerns for us this year.

by CubFan90 on Mar 16, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you talking OBP and all this

from the spring, last year, or year before last?

by alabamacubbie on Mar 16, 2010 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Career numbers

Although the same is true of last season (in 2008, the numbers for the two guys were fairly close). Spring is too small of a sample size for these 2 guys for me to really care.

by madcow256 on Mar 17, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

He is certainly a better choice to leadoff against RHers

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Mar 16, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Given that 75.07% of all PA's in the NL last year were pitched by righties

That is sufficient for me to call Dome the leadoff hitter, and for the ~25% of the games he doesn’t start, you put Theriot or Fuld up there. Given that I think Theriot should also be on the bench for 10-15% of the games this season (to prevent his yearly September swoon), I don’t really see a major difference in how often we’ll have to deviate from our “ideal” lineup.

by madcow256 on Mar 16, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was hoping for Kosuke leading off...

with a good OBP, and Theriot second with the ability to slap the ball to RF consistantly. This could work similar to the “daily double” of Dernier and Sandberg in 84. Sandberg gave up alot of at-bats to move Dernier into scoring position. But when they would successfully use the hit-and-run, it was a thing of beauty with Sandberg hitting the ball through the right side, and Dernier scampering over to third.

by montecarlo on Mar 16, 2010 3:19 AM CDT reply actions  

Millar
Look, I’m well aware that Millar is nearing the end of his career and isn’t a very good hitter any more. But there is value to having that sort of camaraderie. I’m not saying Millar will make the difference in winning or losing this year, and I’m not even saying he should make the team. But you can clearly see the difference already between last year’s draggy bunch and the atmosphere surrounding the Cubs in spring training.

I’ve said it before, but if his value is real but does not come from hitting or fielding, make him a coach. I think that especially with an old school, hands off manager like Lou in the clubhouse, it would make sense to have a newly retired player on the coaching staff who can relate to players in a more collegial way. Sounds like that where Millar’s value is — in “relating to the players”. An analogous situation might have been Girardi’s first bench coach stint in NY, or Ozzie Guillen’s third base coach position on the 2003 Marlins.

Make Millar the third base coach. (They just appointed a new 1B coach.) He gets to be on the field everyday and involved in the game, and the players get the benefit of his hijinks and intangibles. Meanwhile, a better player can take his roster spot.

by JohnM on Mar 16, 2010 5:50 AM CDT reply actions  

I think you can create a position

Similar to what they did with Maddux, sort of a “This is your official title but go do whatever the hell you want” type of deal with the expectation that he will be in the clubhouse and the dug out. Maybe “Assistant Hitting Coach”

"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck

by Musicdude10 on Mar 16, 2010 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right.

However, two points:

  • A coach like this can’t be in uniform during the game.
  • If Millar were made a coach, he’s not a player any more and automatically not “one of the guys”.

Not saying this is a bad idea, and not necessarily advocating for Millar to be on the roster.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 16, 2010 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

* If Millar were made a coach, he’s not a player any more and automatically not "one of the guys".

True, but he’s then a recently retired former peer who has played with and against the same players, knows what it’s like to face Carpenter or Haren, dealt with the same umpires and media and negotiated contracts with the same set of front offices.

Lou is from a different era, which has its own positives. Maybe he wouldn’[t mind someone on his staff taking this kind of “players’ coach” role, so he can focus even more on his executive/field general style.

I admit this is a slightly silly thing to be advocating, but I find it hard to think adding Millar to the roster is a good idea, but at the same time don’t like dismissing his perceived assets outright, either.

by JohnM on Mar 16, 2010 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

I understand what you're saying.

As I said, I’m not necessarily advocating for Millar — I am well aware of his limitations and hope a few good spring training games don’t fool the coaches.

There is value in having him. What that value is, remains to be seen.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 16, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, come on...

Let’s be candid; Millar is about a stone cold lock to make this team, with the club using his puffed up Cactus League stats to provide cover. Why? Because under Piniella, chemistry is the sixth tool.

The only question is whether he proves to be at least more useful than Micah Hoffpauir was last year in that role, which fortunately, won’t be all that hard to do.

by Damen Jackson on Mar 16, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I hope that's not the case.

Lou seems to be using 13 spring training games as more evidence than usual to make regular season decisions. This isn’t necessarily a good thing.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 16, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

well, in the case of the bullpen...

…it is probably a good thing – although it’s out of necessity more than anything else.

But if he uses ST to determine his outfield, something’s wrong. The top 5 OFers were determined in the offseason.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 16, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seems to be swaying his 2B decision as well

I don’t mind Fontenot playing more than Baker, but I would mind the position being given to him altogether.

by madcow256 on Mar 16, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't tell you how..

much it troubles me to see Fontenot at short, and Piniella being entirely too complimentary about it. When you start looking at that, and this reported desire to keep Millar and Tracy, it all starts to look real weird. I mean, is it possible that this bench might not have one good glove man? Or that your backup shortstop is your starting second baseman? It boggles the mind.

by Damen Jackson on Mar 16, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm also troubled by the news that Fontenot is simultaneously our 2B starter and our backup SS

Whether or not he’s still our backup SS when Blanco is back is yet TBD, but I thought the lesson the last two years taught us was that Fontenot is valuable only when you use him somewhat sparingly and in the right matchups. And given the ascension of Millar to a near-lock to make the roster, I don’t know whether Lou would bump him to make room for Blanco when he’s back.

by madcow256 on Mar 16, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I honestly

think Blanco is out, but I’m just reading tea leaves.

by Damen Jackson on Mar 16, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fontenot starting at 2B is not terrible

but backup SS??? It looks like a move by Lou to make room for a 12th pitcher and move he hopes he never has to make.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Mar 16, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can live with him being the SS backup till Blanco gets back, and I'm fine with him getting half half the starts at 2B

But its the plan of having no solid middle infield defense on the bench for the rest of the year (when Blanco would be available) I take issue with.

by madcow256 on Mar 16, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why can't he be in uniform?

Ok so the position isn’t EXACTLY like Maddux’s. If Lou and Jaramillo are in uniform, why not Millar?

"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck

by Musicdude10 on Mar 16, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

MLB rules limit the number of coaches in uniforms for games

I think it’s either six or seven, as follows.

Manager
Pitching
Hitting
First Base
Third Base
Bench
Bullpen (?)

So Millar would have to replace one of Lou, Larry, Rudy, Ivan DeJesus, Mike Quade, Trammel, or possibly Lester Strode.

Interesting in that the Cubs site has Matt Sinatro listed as just a “Coach”. Not sure if he gets to be in uniform for games or not. My guess is not, given he has no specific designation. Guess they didn’t want to put “Navigator” on there… ;-)

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by ballhawk on Mar 16, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wonder if you could just put him on the 60 day DL for the year

IIRC when Wood and Prior were on these lists they were still allowed in the clubhouse and the dugout

"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck

by Musicdude10 on Mar 16, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was at the game today

and Castro made an extremely athletic diving stop to his left behind second base. He almost threw Payton out, but the throw was a tad late.

by Adam U on Mar 16, 2010 6:48 AM CDT reply actions  

DFA!

BCB - We have our own dictionary!

by tony412 on Mar 16, 2010 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

The thing that bugs me is..

some of us want Colvin to potentially play everyday this year and yet Castro “needs” more time when he’s produced better than Colvin has in the minors. Yet Colvin could be ready.

2010 is OUR year.

by Unique on Mar 16, 2010 10:11 AM CDT reply actions  

Colvin played major college ball.

He also has almost 1900 minor league plate appearances and is 24.

Castro has about half as many minor league plate appearances and turns 20 this week.

There’s the difference.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 16, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

20 doesn't make a difference.

Castro didn’t play college ball – but yet he’s a ways ahead of what Colvin was at 20. Colvin wouldn’t of produced the same at the age and level Castro is playing at.

So the age difference and the fact Colvin played college ball doesn’t mean anything.

2010 is OUR year.

by Unique on Mar 16, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Of course it does, because...

… you’re judging them on where they stand right now, not where Colvin stood at age 20.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 16, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

The point I was trying to make is that

Castro is as just ready as what Colvin is – due to the fact he has succeeded in the same levels as Colvin. Granted, in less ABs.

But I get where your coming from, and I see your perspective.

2010 is OUR year.

by Unique on Mar 17, 2010 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Far less AB.

Colvin has almost 1200 PA at Double-A.

Castro, 122.

Castro needs more minor league time.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 17, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

And some of us

don’t think either is ready.

by rlpete on Mar 16, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE

And the team has different needs. We are worried about Fukudome and Soriano so having some OF insurance is a good thing. Despite what you may think about Theriot, he’s and adequate SS and is an MLB player.

Just because Castro is ready at 20 doesn’t mean that Colvin should be ready at 20 and it also doesn’t mean that Colvin is a bust. If the conversation included Micah Hoffpauir, then yeah, you could argue that at 29 or 30, you probably won’t see much improvement. Colvin still has time to prove he can play in the MLB

"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck

by Musicdude10 on Mar 16, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was under the impression that Fukudome was going to be platooning.

Going by that assumption, could that have any bearing on why they wouldn’t have him batting first? Also assuming Theriot will be playing almost every single day of the season. Just a thought.

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by katie casey on Mar 16, 2010 10:24 AM CDT reply actions  

I could see some thought process like that.

Maybe the idea of letting Theriot get the leadoff spot and keep it, vs. lefties and righties both, and just hoping those consistent leadoff ABs help his production.

by CubFan90 on Mar 16, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Makes a lot of sense

if you believe that letting him lead off every single game is what makes him comortable in that role. He would obviously then have to produce a good OBP. If he doesnt, then I could see that logic go out the window and instead do more of what Al Mentioned which was to let Dome lead off vs RHP or simply games that he starts.

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by tony412 on Mar 16, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm most surprised by the lack of second base concern

since the start of ST games. Like most of us, I assumed Baker was a lock to break ST as the starting 2B, but Baker is sucking eggs do date and Fontenot is tearing it up.

I like Fontenot the guy and wanted to see him penciled in every day at second and given an opportunity. However, that was for the 2009 season.

Fonte showed up in 2007 and tore it up in June to fall back to mediocre/bad. In 2008 he came alive in July/August/September. He played almost everyday during the Ramirez injury in 2009 and was brutal at the plate. BR linky thingy

I ask and am not telling, but what has changed for 2010 so I should be comfortable with him the everyday second baseman? (other than the LH)

may addition by subtraction be real

by N Oakley on Mar 16, 2010 11:05 AM CDT reply actions  

As long as one of them is playing well...

… they’re both on the roster. So that doesn’t worry me. It’s really easy to shift more at-bats to the left-handed member of a platoon. I’m not sure that the spring is a competition for regular-season playing time for Baker and Fontenot. It’s just spring training. I bet Baker gets more playing time to start the year.

by aldimond on Mar 16, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

18 ABs for Baker

You shouldn’t be panicking about it yet, and nor should Lou. 18 ABs is a bad 4-game series. Not a season.

by madcow256 on Mar 16, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I truly think Rudy will help the most

Plus, some speculated last year that having to learn 3B was a detriment to his hitting mentality. Hopefully focusing on his above average defense at 2B and not feeling out of place at 3B will let him focus on his hitting.

by Adam U on Mar 16, 2010 11:12 AM CDT reply actions  

fontenot sucked before switching to 3rd

"The roar from the crowd really fired me up," Burish said. "In warmups there were a lot of signs. One said 'Burish, my grandma is pregnant.' I don't know what that means. I skated by it and said, 'it's not mine.' "

by jesus christos on Mar 16, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Those lyrics

I’ve never thought the following made any sense:

Thank you, driver, for getting me here (Too much, Magic Bus)
You’ll be an inspector, have no fear (Too much, Magic Bus)
I don’t want to cause no fuss (Too much, Magic Bus)
But can I buy your Magic Bus? (Too much, Magic Bus)

“You’ll be an inspector”? Huh? I always heard that as “There’ll be an inspector, have no fear”, as in “If you won’t sell me this thing, I’ll try to get it condemned so I can buy it at government auction” or “I’ll get you kicked off this route and replaced by someone who will give me what I want.”

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Mar 16, 2010 11:21 AM CDT reply actions  

I think he's referring to a promotion.

It sounds plausible as a rank in the career path of a UK bus driver.

by aldimond on Mar 16, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thruppence and sixpence every day

Just to drive to my baby. Thruppence and sixpence each day. ’Cause I drive my baby every way.

by holy mackeral on Mar 16, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not the subtlest of lyricists

See also: “Squeeze Box”

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Mar 16, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mama's got a squeeze box

she wears on her chest,
When daddy comes home
he never gets no rest

Some people say the glass is half empty, some say half full. I say, are you going to drink that?

by BleedsbluinMI on Mar 16, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

But she's playin' all night,

And the music’s all right!
Mama’s got a squeeze box,
Daddy never sleeps at night!

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 16, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Back then a bus in the UK

had both a driver and a (ticket) inspector (i.e. a conductor).

by JohnM on Mar 16, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Take it lightly

I think this is a fine move. Lou obviously based it on Spring Training performance and its not like it can’t be changed later on. Lou knows what he’s doing and I don’t mind this move. If The Riot does well in lead-off then its a big plus. If he struggles a little bit then we will just go ahead and move him out it’s not a big deal at this point in time. I say heck give him a shot.

by 1908isjustayear on Mar 16, 2010 11:53 AM CDT reply actions  

But why would you make a decision with three weeks to go...

… and having given one of the supposed competitors almost no opportunity?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 16, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

you mean Soriano? ;-)

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 16, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Al, have a great time at the baseball game later today!

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 16, 2010 12:14 PM CDT reply actions  

So is it just me...

or does Lo Duca look 50 years old right here.

by CubFan90 on Mar 16, 2010 1:51 PM CDT reply actions  

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