At Bat 2010 for iPhone, BlackBerry and Android now available (UPDATED AGAIN)
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Hoorayz!
"You’re playing a baseball game. You’re not playing Tiddlywinks. There is competition, for God’s sake."— Lou Piniella
It cost me 11,99 Euros
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Who are the Manatees and the Mocs?
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 10, 2010 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
$14.99 for those playing at home
$4.99 more than last year, still a great deal
"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck
What's the deal with video this season?
Will it be select games? All games if you’re an MLB.TV subscriber? Only highlights?
I’ll be purchasing this app regardless (it’s a must-have if you’re a baseball fan).
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It's hard to say right now
but it looks like it could be all of them with both home and away telecasts. Also I noticed that there isn’t a free version this year.
I may be crazy but...
…I swear towards the end of last year you could watch any game for a fee of $1.00 per game. According to the info…“Watch LIVE steaming games (blackout restrictions apply)”
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
According to what I read on MLB.com,
MLB.TV “Premium” subscribers who also purchase At Bat will be able to watch games on At Bat for no additional charge. It didn’t sound like MLB.TV “Basic” subscribers could watch video. Also, I don’t think you will have a choice of announcers for video.
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At the ballpark
I am intrigued by what special features will be available “at select ballparks” as stated in the app.
by Dunston12 on Mar 2, 2010 1:51 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Not sure...
…but I can tell you AT&T’s service didn’t really let me use my iPhone to text at Wrigley last year, let alone use the MLB app.
I hope Ricketts gets wifi going at Wrigley.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
I usually couldn't send iPhone text messages at Yankee Stadium either
But somehow the MLB app worked great. Who knows. I only wish the audio was in sync with the game — I think that’s a technical impossibility, but it would be great.
No kidding. Watching the blackberry users
text friends and get MLB updates from around the league was brutal while I got the error message.
may addition by subtraction be real
I think I read somewhere about AT&T doing something about the horrible service at Wrigley.
And it is absolutely brutal, let me confirm that.
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If you can believe this,
squirrels ate the AT&T tower at Wrigley in the middle of the season. I’m not kidding.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Mar 2, 2010 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
Recently a power amplifier blew up at friends ham radio station,
because a mouse had chewed it’s way into the high voltage power supply circuitry.
So squirrels do not sound far fetched.
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… that was eventually pinned on a rogue spider in the wiring. True story.
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i'd be more than happy to give them my money if they could hurry up at get the android version out.......
---AC 00 00 00 - Believe
Rec'd.
That’s what I’m waiting for. Why they couldn’t do these both on the same day is beyond me.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
The androids got paranoids?
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Maybe it just hasn't been ok'd by the computer?
"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck
It's hard not to be when you're always in limbo
Gotta keep thinking positive
"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck
I hear there's some weird fishes in those parts
"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck
No kidding.
Go climb a Fake Plastic Tree.
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by The Guy Who Accidentally Saved the World on Mar 5, 2010 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
Relax guys.
This is all a big jigsaw falling into place
"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck
Are the Bodysnatchers all a part of that?
by Steven Schweickert on Mar 10, 2010 6:53 PM CST up reply actions
All this confusion is giving me scatterbrain
Somehow it seems like now, 2+2=5
"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck
That's pretty easy.
The number of iPhone users is far greater than Andriod. That’s the priority.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
Samsung Moment.
It’s great, but it will be better when we get Android 2.1, like they keep promising.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
How weird is is that MLB has an overall AWESOME iPhone app?
Wouldn’t you naturally assume it would stink? Kudos.
Low expectations?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Easy. Bud Selig doesn't know how computers work.
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by dtpollitt on Mar 2, 2010 5:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I can imagine Selig going to a game
And yelling at the players to get off his lawn
It’s non sensical but it makes me laugh
"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck
by Musicdude10 on Mar 3, 2010 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Probably would happen, too.
Rec’d.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 10, 2010 8:36 PM CST up reply actions
Meanwhile, four hours later...
…no one at that MLB mobile blog has answered my questions. That’s really irritating. Why do a blog like that if no one is going to respond to comments? Anyway…
22 hours later...
…and still no answer on that blog. I just left a polite but tersely worded comment. Not that I’m expecting much to come of it.
This is the greatest thing to happen since Soup Club.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Mar 2, 2010 5:58 PM CST via mobile reply actions
So...
Just so I understand it correctly before I get this…
The fifteen bucks gets you free audio all year, right? Do you get to pick between broadcasts, or are you just offered one?
And as far as video… how does that work? That’s a pay per game?
Last year...
You get audio for all games with your choice of home or away broadcast.
Video worked three ways. Blackout restrictions apply to all 3 and there was only one feed either home or away.
1. There was one or two free games a day.
2. You could get all games if you had purchased an MLB.tv account.
3. You could buy any game for $1
Cool, thanks guys.
The free game a day… do they spread it out amongst teams, or was it generally like a Marlins-Pirates type of game?
While there is the occasional cubs, Yankees, red sox game...
…it certainly felt like there were more of the lower tier games.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Mar 3, 2010 8:17 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Even so...
… for the price, that’s a great resource to have.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Definitely.
And even if the Cubs were the “free game of the day,” you couldn’t watch them anyway because of the blackouts here in the Chicago area.
With that being said, using the video streaming feature will drain your battery pretty quickly. Hopefully you are close to a power source if you plan to use this.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
what about if you have the mlb package
through your cable or satellite provider? do you still have to purchase the web package to get access to video for all games on iphone?
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Mar 3, 2010 10:03 PM CST up reply actions
That's how it was last year.
The MLB cable packages did not give you access to the app video, but the MLB.tv does. It doesn’t make a lot of sense, I know.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
Don't figure there is, but...
Is there any reason not to delete last year’s “model” now that I’ve downloaded 2010? I kinda figured that it would just update that version, but it has given me a brand new icon, and last year’s version has stuck around.
Just figured I’d toss it out to the folks before I did anything rash. Thanks!
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Mar 2, 2010 7:26 PM CST reply actions
does this mean that
I won’t be able to listen to audio during the season unless I upgrade to At Bat 2010?
that sucks.
Toss it.
As worthless as Milton Bradley.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Mar 3, 2010 10:57 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Thanks
That’s what I figured. It’s gone.
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by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Mar 3, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
Can we go ahead and just rec this post to the top?
It got bumped down pretty quickly and I think a lot of people will be interested in it.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
Getting REAL aggravated about the lack of an Android app.
There HAVE to be more Android users than Blackberry users now, right?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
The Maury Brown link....
… was (just) updated to say the Android app will be out sometime today. Good news. Why they couldn’t have done all of these on the same day is beyond me.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Bow down to the iPhone.
But seriously, the iPhone is light years better than anything else out there…besides the carrier of course!
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
im just irritated that Mlb.com doesn't have anything up on it.
We shouldn’t have to search all over the interwebs to find this type of information
---AC 00 00 00 - Believe
Agreed.
I just downloaded it — looks great! No live games right this second, so can’t check out the audio yet.
Here’s MLB.com’s main mobile page. The only product link goes to the app for the iPhone.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
This is just my guess...
but I would guess that the number of Android users doesn’t come anywhere near the number of BB users.
I think you'd be surprised.
With new carriers (Sprint, Verizon) carrying Android since last baseball season ended, especially with the popularity of the Droid, it might be getting close.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
It may be getting close...
…but BlackBerry has been around longer, so I’d think it still has the edge. I’d be curious to see some stats on this to see how it breaks down, though. I wonder whether anyone has done (or is doing) a “smartphone census.”
I don't think it's close. At all.
Blackberry has the business market on lock.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
I do.
There are so many companies out there than issue employees blackberrys. It’s just a guess and I don’t have much to back that up with.
Now if you were to ask me who has more personal cell phones between Blackberry or iPhone, I’d say iPhones.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
I would agree.
I think Blackberry has by far the most users, with the iPhone second and the Android a very distant third. I too would like to see some actual data on this if anyone has it.
I've posted a poll on the front page.
Obviously, BCB readers are a very small subset of smartphone users, but it will be interesting to see what people here use.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Found this on Wikipedia
For the 2009 year. It’s worldwide so that’s way Symbian (mostly Nokia phones) is so high.
Nokia's pretty huge in Europe, which would explain that.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
That's a good point.
I wasn’t thinking about all the corporate BlackBerry users. I think you’re right.
Replying off the top comment to get as much space as possible:
US Smartphone users as of the end of 2009:
And therein lies your answer… while Android is growing the most quickly, the BB and iPhone have hundreds of millions of more users.
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I'd like to see this same chart a year from now.
I imagine it will look quite different.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
At the rate Android phones are being pumped out, i think Palm has something to worry about...
… but their products have sucked for years anyways.
Microsoft and RIM are safe due to businesses tied in to their systems, and Apple puts out great products. I think we’ll keep seeing Google’s share grow, but at some point there is only so much of the pie willing to jump platforms, and google got in too late.
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Android could get people who haven't wanted smartphones in the past.
That’s a way the pie could grow.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
How many people are out there like that?
If google is smart, they’ll go after the youngsters, kids who beg their parents to have a phone in middle school and younger
"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck
Well, yes...
… but those people are also just as likely to be forced in to corporate phones (Windows Mobile / RIM) or seduced by the iPhone. Google is gaining market share, and rapidly… but nobody (save for Palm) is just rolling over.
I’m not sure Apple will break from AT&T as cubswynn thinks, as their exclusive for the iPad went to AT&T as well, but i don’t think AT&T is keeping anybody from jumping on the iPhone bandwagon anyways (no, we do it and then gripe about the service). And RIM hasn’t done much since the Storm / Bold releases in 2008, but its fair to assume they’ve been hard at work on the next generations of those phones…
Google will gain, but probably not enough to warrant their app being the first to release anytime soon. They simply got in to the mobile OS business too late.
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by AndrewJStone on Mar 9, 2010 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
Quite different?
Maybe, but probably not for the reason you think. It’s been rumored now that Apple is going to break away from it’s exclusive deal with Apple and make the iPhone available to Verizon. If that happens look out.
I think Andrew is right, I’m not sure how much more of the pie Google is going to get from those well established markets.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
It looks like...
… RIM (Blackberry), Microsoft and Palm are losing share, and Apple and Google are gaining.
I would expect those trends to continue.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Agreed
None of the executives at my company use Blackberry’s anymore. They all use iPhones or Droids. I don’t hear anyone talking about having to go get themselves a Blackberry. There are some too that don’t like change and will continue to use the BB because they won’t have to learn a new OS. I don’t think they (BB) will go out of business or anything close, but people like the newest and coolest technology.
by LT on Mar 8, 2010 9:15 PM CST up reply actions
As i noted above...
… RIM’s product line is pretty stale right now, with both the Bold and Curve being about 2 years old. They’ll release refreshed phones soon, i’m sure, and pick up momentum again.
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by AndrewJStone on Mar 9, 2010 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
The always wonderful arstechnica.com
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by AndrewJStone on Mar 9, 2010 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
Jailbreak
Has anyone found a jailbroken version of this yet? AppCake and Appulous still have the 09 version up.
Al I know you don’t support pirated software so if this is crossing the line I apologize.
IMHO as a programmer, it does cross the line.
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by eths on Mar 3, 2010 11:38 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Thanks for asking that
I was wondering too and was just about to ask. That’s actually like the 3rd time I’ve come across that in the last couple of weeks and just haven’t gotten around to Googling it yet.
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by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Mar 3, 2010 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
Hacking in and changing some things
Before 3.0 software came out, it had some great features like copy/paste, search feature. Now most people do it to give their iphones a custom look as well as internet tethering, a video camera for those on 3G or older. It’s pretty cool and NOT illegal, although it voids the warranty with Apple
"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck
Tethering huh?
I know the Europeans have that and we don’t. Sounds cool, but not sure it’s worth the hassle.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
As a laptop user
It’s a godsend. Not sure why AT&T won’t allow it. The phones are clearly capable
"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck
You hit the nail on the head.
The phones are capable, the service provider is not. Boo AT&T, boo.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
well
I think what eths was talking about was getting cracked apps. I jailbroke mine for what you mentioned, being able to give it a custom look so it doesn’t look like all the other iphones. Majority of my apps I still pay for but do use some cracked apps if I am not sure if they are worth purchasing. Like paying $15 for something that isn’t what it says it is.
Like having to purchase an mlb.tv subscription to use the mlb app.
Did you have the app last year?
Last year if you had MLB.tv, you didn’t need to pay for the streaming videos. If you didn’t have MLB.tv, you could still purchase each game on a pay per view basis.
I hardly think they are selling something that’s not living up to what it does.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
Classically, jail breaking the iPhone means removing some artificial barriers from Apple,
such as no multi-tasking at the user level, no direct file system access via a shell, apps only from the Apple AppStore, etc.
The so called jail breaking of those apps, which are not for free, is the same as cracking any other commercial software.
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You're asking for a pirated copy, not a jailbroken copy.
“Jailbreaking” is something legal you do to your phone. Jailbroken iPhones can still connect to the app store.You’re asking for a pirated copy.
I could sort of understand the rationalization of Napster — that the music industry was price fixing and non-competitive — even if I didn’t subscribe to it.
But this piece of software? Is an entire season’s worth of audio for every game, plus real time video highlights, stats, score updates, and condensed games, really not worth $14.99? Sheesh!
Let's try that again.
Still can’t download it for my BlackBerry Storm 2. Signed up for a PayPal account but keep getting error 10812 when I try to log in via App World. If any other BlackBerry users encounter this problem, let me know. I’ve contacted PayPal support about it.
Annoying that they're charging tax on this.
Guess that’s local to Chicago — it appears to be the 10.25% sales tax. Oh, well.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Got it
for my Hero – no tax on my bill. Looking forward to testing it out (today?) if there are live games w/ audio. Based on everything I’ve heard, I’m pretty excited about this. First app I’ve paid for, so it’s all on you guys if it sucks… :p
Hubbs!
Bemiji, huh?
My brother-in-law is a professor at BSU and we have a cabin on Webb Lake down in Hackensack. Cool.
Had a tax on my iPhone app purchase as well.
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no tax here in Nashville
Color me shocked…
by LT on Mar 4, 2010 9:14 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
The "small world"
stuff, especially in this day and age never surprises me anymore, but I just have to laugh about Sckrambo and his BSU connections and now the Nashville connection (my sister lives there) three posts later…
And I understand about the high taxes down there. What is it up to? 10% sales tax?
Hubbs!
around 9.5%
But no state income tax so that helps.
by LT on Mar 4, 2010 1:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Question
I assume that I would have to also pay the $14 again to mlb.com if I want to listen to it online in addition to on my Droid. I guess I wouldn’t really need that anymore unless my phone was dead.
Yes, you would.
The At Bat app and the Gameday Audio are separate purchases.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
It costs $19.95 this year.
At least that’s what it told me I had to pay for Gameday Audio
Wherever you go, there you are
Then you're doing something different.
The MLB At Bat app costs $14.95, no matter what platform you buy it on. Gameday Audio is a separate purchase.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I've been considering buying the Nexus One...
when it is out for Verizon.
Any feedback on how well the Android app works would be appreciated.
Looks good so far.
Have not had a chance to check out the audio yet.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
just got the app...
Audio sounds great… this is going to be a great addition when I’m on the run.
Go Cubs. Go Irish.
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Great connecton so far
listning to Pat & Ron on my HTC Hero. Started w/ just over half a battery. I’m curious to see how much a drain this’ll be… Fired it up exactly at 1st pitch, so I’ll update.
Am running ATK, and just have MLB At Bat, and mail in the back-ground. For those Android users that don’t have Advanced Task Killer, go get it from the Marketplace NOW. All that extra crap running in the background is killing your battery life.
Hubbs!
Agreed re: "Advanced Task Killer".
It’s the best such app available. And free.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Killed the game
w/ Cubs up 5-1 after 5, and the battery was at about 33%. That’s a lot of battery kill, but what am I to do? All in all, a good experience. I’m getting used to taking my charget with me anyway, so no big deal…
Hubbs!
WTF?
Downloaded the app this morning and was looking forward to listening in to the Cub game today. But all I’m getting is “Buffering” followed by “Unable to connect to audio”. Then it continues Buffering. Anyone else having issues? I’m on an iphone.
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no issues all game for me
Except the scoreboard was consistently behind by a full half-inning until it just plain stopped when Byrd hit his home run.
"You’re playing a baseball game. You’re not playing Tiddlywinks. There is competition, for God’s sake."— Lou Piniella
What awesome power Byrd has!
He can stop a MLB.com scoreboard with his bat!
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
It wasn't Byrd's doing
It was actually Lilly’s. He was upset at the scoreboard for tallying runs without his permission.
"You’re playing a baseball game. You’re not playing Tiddlywinks. There is competition, for God’s sake."— Lou Piniella
Same here
I think that’s MLB though, not the iphone
"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck
Reboot and retry
"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck
FINALLY GOT IT.
I was finally able to get my PayPal account working this morning and downloaded the app for my BlackBerry Storm 2. Can’t wait to try it out when the spring training games get started today.
It's greedy that you hve to pay for the 2010 iPhone MLB app even though you already paid for the 2010 MLB.TV subscription.
You need the latter to watch every game on the iPhone app. So, in essence, MLB is charging you twice to be able to watch games on the iPhone or iPod Touch.
Not when they are offering the pay per view option.
These are two separate products and I don’t think the MLB is being greedy at all. This app was probably VERY expensive to produce and I think the charge of $15 is very reasonable, considering everything it can do.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
And you are not only paying for the app itself,
but also for the data services which create a large part of the app’s value.
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