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Who Are These Guys? Cubs Come From Behind To Beat Diamondbacks 8-7

Just about anyone who's anyone on the Cubs roster today likely spent the afternoon playing golf -- OK, maybe working out at Fitch Park -- as the only starter today who will likely see significant playing time for the major league squad when the come north was Jeff Baker.

Nevertheless, the assorted prospects, minor leaguers and Kevin Millar (who called himself "Dad" to the rest of the lineup, via this Carrie Muskat tweet) blew a big early lead, then came from behind twice in the late innings to defeat the Diamondbacks 8-7 and keep the spring record perfect at 2-0.

Sam Fuld scored the winning run as a pinch runner, and we learned earlier today from another Muskat tweet:

Sam Fuld's wife tried to get home run ball from Thursday but a #cubs fan wouldn't give it up. It was their son Charlie's 1st game.

Hey! If you're the fan who caught that ball, give it to the Fuld family. It means a lot more to them than it does to you, and I'm sure Sam would sign a few things for you in exchange.

In fact, various Carrie Muskat tweets were interesting and informative today, particularly the ones regarding Angel Guzman and Jeff Gray. More after the jump.

Star-divide

Muskat's blog indicates that both Guzman and Gray might not be ready for Opening Day:
Guzman was projected as a possible right-handed set-up option for the Cubs. He hasn't been close to throwing off a mound. Could he be ready by Opening Day?

"Not at all," Piniella said. "Gray is starting to get on the 'doubtful' list -- not doubtful, let's call it the 'borderline' list."

Now, some of you are going to bemoan the fact that Kiko Calero is no longer available, but I say again: I'd be leery of a guy who 29 other teams passed on, and the one that signed him only gave him a minor league deal. Based on this cubs.com article, the team still has plenty of bullpen options in camp already:

With Guzman and Gray out, there are more opportunities for the young pitchers such as John Gaub, Thomas Diamond, Blake Parker, and James Russell. Another arm Piniella likes is Andrew Cashner, the Cubs' No. 1 Draft pick in 2008.

"Cashner's a nice looking young kid," Piniella said of the right-hander. "That's going to be up to the organization. First of all, let's see how he pitches here. Let's see what the organization has planned as far as starter, reliever. I think Jim will make that decision and rightfully so."

You'll see Diamond and Parker throw Sunday in separate split-squad games; Cashner will go in tomorrow's televised game (WGN, 2 pm CST) against the White Sox.

I'm not worried. Yet.

About today's game, Carlos Zambrano and Casey Coleman threw well; Jeff Stevens didn't, and Justin Berg, who is also in the bullpen mix, gave up a 9th-inning run to some Arizona scrubs before the bench bailed him out and got him a win. In addition to Starlin Castro's two hits, Tyler Colvin had another pair of hits (single and double, two RBI) and last year's #1 pick, Brett Jackson, had his first spring hit. The Cubs teed off on their former teammate Aaron Heilman for five hits and four runs in his one inning of work.

It's only two games, but Colvin may be forcing Lou to consider him in the outfield mix. I hope he plays again tomorrow so we can all see him in the televised game.

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by eths on Mar 5, 2010 5:30 PM CST reply actions  

Yabbut Carrie Muskat is no

Sarah Killen!

you can’t get much by that #$%@ ballhawk -- LT

by Emelie on Mar 5, 2010 5:34 PM CST reply actions  

hee

you can’t get much by that #$%@ ballhawk -- LT

by Emelie on Mar 6, 2010 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

How'd the Cubs get away with starting only one regular (Baker)?

Or has the unwritten ST rule of starting at least 4 regulars gone by the wayside…

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 5, 2010 5:38 PM CST reply actions  

I think that only applies to visiting teams.

Or something like that.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 5, 2010 5:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Some insight into how the organization hierarchy functions
“Cashner’s a nice looking young kid,” Piniella said of the right-hander. “That’s going to be up to the organization. First of all, let’s see how he pitches here. Let’s see what the organization has planned as far as starter, reliever. I think Jim will make that decision and rightfully so.”

Nice recap, Al.

by shoemile on Mar 5, 2010 5:48 PM CST reply actions  

Thanks.

Though Cashner could be a starter in the future, maybe he’s closer material, too. He definitely has the stuff to be a setup guy. If the Cubs need one, I wouldn’t be opposed to him being used this way in 2010, with the idea that he could still be a starter in the future.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 5, 2010 5:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I have no problem with this.

"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will

by eswan9 on Mar 5, 2010 5:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd rather

he get the chance to start for a good chunk of the season in triple A, then get a call up later in the summer to pitch out of the pen and limit his innings. At the least, I’d hope we try other options in the setup spot for a month or two before interrupting his possible development as a starter.

I’m definitely not against moving Cashner to the pen if that is where he appears most likely to succeed, but if we can make a starter out of him, that would be preferable. Although, as Al said, it is possible he could still be a starter in the future. I’d just hate to see him bounce back and forth like Joba Chamberland or Jeff Smardzija.

by Bradsbeard on Mar 5, 2010 6:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Yabbut

we don’t know how long Guzman will be shelved. I think he is mentally prepared to handle setup role this year and move back to the rotation later.

"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will

by eswan9 on Mar 5, 2010 6:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm alright with him being a setup guy this year.

But I hope that, heading into Spring Training next year, his role in the future is defined, whether it’s at Iowa or Chicago. Like Bradsbeard notes, I’m not crazy about the starter in Iowa, reliever in Chicago back and forth Samardzija went through last year for a second season.

by shoemile on Mar 5, 2010 6:13 PM CST up reply actions  

They need

to look at Cashner in the pen for this year. The bullpen is the weak spot of this team. A lot of young inexperienced arms. Sure Cashner is the same, but he appears to have the talent.

by Grockcubs on Mar 5, 2010 5:55 PM CST reply actions  

we have plenty of weakness in the rotation as well

especially with Ted out

I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers

by Nunyabidness on Mar 5, 2010 6:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Barring a ST injury to Byrd, Soriano or Fukudome...

…I doubt Colvin makes the big club – even if he continues to impress.

Assuming everyone is healthy, there’s no way Colvin starts over any of them. If he were RH, then a platoon with Dome would be possible, but that’s Nady’s role to fill.

Who has the higher upside and greater potential/future with the Cubs – Fuld or Colvin? I’m pretty sure the answer is Colvin. I don’t think you want higher upside wasting away on the bench in the bigs when it could be playing every day in AAA – especially since he hasn’t seen that level yet.

Don’t get me wrong – he could easily perform well enough this ST to be one of the top 5 outfielders, but given who the starting 3 are, the $ invested in them, and the skill set of the others involved (Nady is RH and can play 1B, Fuld better suited for PR duties, late inning defense), it just makes more sense to put him at Iowa where he can play every day.

Simply put, Colvin is a starting outfielder, not a role-playing outfielder. However, assuming he tears it up at Iowa this year, Hendry will have lots to think about for 2011 – and another offseason to do something about it.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 5, 2010 6:18 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

+1

although he could outplay dome and make him the 5th outfielder

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

by fischisgod on Mar 5, 2010 6:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I doubt that Dome would be our 5th outfielder.

If Dome is being relegated to the bench, I’m sure that Nady would get the spot making Dome our 4th and then Colvin our 5th. Although I do agree the Colvin should be in AAA instead of rotting on the bench.

Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.

by Ryno Runner on Mar 5, 2010 6:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Somehow, with Nady and Fonz

Colvin will have a trip or two to Wrigley to start, I think.

by timh815 on Mar 5, 2010 7:00 PM CST up reply actions  

hopefully Hendry has no say in the 2011 roster

I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers

by Nunyabidness on Mar 5, 2010 7:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Great day!

Went to the game, it was great! I love that our young guys are getting hits and showing promise.

by westerncubbie on Mar 5, 2010 6:31 PM CST reply actions  

great to have

the board back & alive again w/game day chatter. looking fwd to many happy returns of the day!

by brian custer on Mar 5, 2010 6:39 PM CST reply actions  

Hmm, the grid on DirecTV

shows the game on WGN at 2 pm CST.

OK I don't know shit about basketball.

by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST

by sue369 on Mar 5, 2010 7:02 PM CST reply actions  

yep, Al's time is off by an hour

game starts at 2:00 central

you can’t get much by that #$%@ ballhawk -- LT

by Emelie on Mar 5, 2010 7:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks Em. :D

OK I don't know shit about basketball.

by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST

by sue369 on Mar 5, 2010 7:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Whoops!

I guess I want Daylight Saving time to start already. It is at 2. I’ll fix the post.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 5, 2010 8:21 PM CST up reply actions  

BTW

when does DST start?

"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will

by eswan9 on Mar 5, 2010 9:32 PM CST up reply actions  

AKA Steak and BJ Night

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Mar 5, 2010 10:54 PM CST up reply actions  

GIYF

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Mar 6, 2010 1:23 AM CST up reply actions  

It's only the spring, but I love hearing about those Cubs wins!

Hope this is a sign of things to come!!

What we Cubs fans should live by: "I found that if you have a goal, that you might not reach it. But if you don't have one, then you are never disappointed. And I gotta tell ya... it feels phenomenal" ---Vince Vaughn in Dodgeball

by mikegncb34 on Mar 5, 2010 7:10 PM CST reply actions  

I believe that Fidel Castro jokes will be very abundant when he is with us for good.

Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.

by Ryno Runner on Mar 5, 2010 7:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Raise your hand if it gave you a little giggle that Heillman got lit up

by us

I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers

by Nunyabidness on Mar 5, 2010 7:26 PM CST reply actions  

Both hands are up.

Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.

by Ryno Runner on Mar 5, 2010 7:27 PM CST up reply actions  

That was the best!

"Keep pushin till it's understood,
And these badlands start treating us good."

by AussieCub on Mar 5, 2010 7:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Can't we let this go?

For one thing, it’s not like the guy was a jerk – he just struggled. For another, a friend of his is a regular poster here.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Mar 6, 2010 8:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Sam Fuld's wife wanted

the HR ball from a spring training game? What does that say about his major league career?

Dallas Green!

by SonnyJ9 on Mar 5, 2010 7:40 PM CST reply actions  

Now now...

Daddy hits a home run in Charlie’s first baseball game? Where’s your heart? ;-)

you can’t get much by that #$%@ ballhawk -- LT

by Emelie on Mar 5, 2010 7:42 PM CST up reply actions  

What does that say about the fan?

How could they NOT give them the ball if they wanted it?

"Chicago Cubs baseball is on the air."-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Mar 5, 2010 7:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldnt have? Seriously?

If it was his 1st home run in the majors or professionally then I would be willing. But this isn’t his first proressional homerun, its the first homerun that his son witnessed. Get real, you can pay for it if you want but otherwise its mine or a kid thats sitting nearby.

by bheidge on Mar 5, 2010 9:33 PM CST up reply actions  

really?

its a ST HR hit by a no name (well, not a no name, but its sam fuld). Are you going to put a Spring Training ball in a case and cherish it for the rest of ur life?

by Lweb23 on Mar 5, 2010 10:39 PM CST up reply actions  

We don't know the whole story

What if this was the first ball this fan has ever gotten during a professional baseball game? What if it was their kid’s first game? What if they were from the future and this baseball was the key to making the flux capacitor to work….errr I’m out of ideas.

"...but you the living, you're stuck here with the Cubs. So it is ME who feels sorry for you." - Steve Goodman, "A Dying Cub Fan's Last Request"

by HoSs. on Mar 6, 2010 6:16 AM CST up reply actions  

that's true

We don’t know the whole story. But if it was me, I would have given it to them. I might have asked for an autograph or something though.

"Chicago Cubs baseball is on the air."-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Mar 6, 2010 6:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Right.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 6, 2010 8:51 AM CST up reply actions  

exactly

I am sure a very equitable trade could have been made.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Mar 6, 2010 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

well said

The ball has a lot of meaning to Fuld and family, hard to believe it would have much meaning to anyone else. Oh well, it takes all kinds.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Mar 6, 2010 10:46 AM CST up reply actions  

It's only his second home run in the majors

That’s still a big accomplishment. At least I was lucky to see his first home run in person.

In similar fashion, I still collect all the crossword puzzles I’ve completed. I have about a dozen. Still a rookie.

A LO PROFUNDOOO...NOO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NOO...DIGANLE QUE NO A ESA PELOTA!! GANAN LOS CACHORROS DE CHICAGO!!

by Azul Cachorro on Mar 5, 2010 9:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I woul have let him have it

but it would have been an interesting negotation. Not nice of the Cub fan. I am sure he could have gotten a ball autographed by the player(s) of his choice in return.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Mar 5, 2010 11:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Good God

Is she going to start asking for batting practice HR balls next?

by salparadise23 on Mar 6, 2010 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Mark me down as worried about the bullpen

we got Marmol, Grabow, Marshall/the Shark and then a a whole lot of unproven arms. Just because we have multiple options doesn’t mean any of them are good. Jim really needs to add something before we head north.

Didn’t Ricketts promise two significant additions were coming to the team at the convention …one was Nady and I thought the other was going to be another bullpen arm.

Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."

by DC Cubbie on Mar 5, 2010 7:56 PM CST reply actions  

You know...

… while you have a valid point, at some time every major league reliever was in that same unproven state. Eventually, you have to give these guys a chance. I think the Cubs have enough arms in camp to get two or three good ones on the major league roster.

The Cubs were interested in some relievers, but one (Park) signed with the Yankees, another (Calero) with the Mets, and I think the others rumored by trade (Frasor, Gregorson) probably came with too high a cost in trade.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 5, 2010 8:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Good point Al

There’s not much proven talent out there that is available. The only one I can think of off hand is Smoltz who is more than likely washed up and also likely too expensive. I say give the kids a chance.

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Mar 5, 2010 8:28 PM CST up reply actions  

That Riviera kid will never make it

in the Big Apple. He’s only got one pitch.

by timh815 on Mar 5, 2010 8:44 PM CST up reply actions  

If Samardzija winds up in the pen

(or even in the rotation for that matter), I can’t say he’s a proven arm, yet. Regardless, the Cubs need to find another experienced bullpen arm, along with Grabow, before heading north, if Guzman can’t go to start the year.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Mar 5, 2010 9:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Bullpen is highly problematic

A bad unreliable bullpen can suck the air out of a team rapidly. And the starting rotation isn’t exactly comprised of big inning eaters outside of Carlos Zambrano.

75 wins is looking optimistic if I’m honest with myself.

The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.

by BLou on Mar 5, 2010 8:36 PM CST reply actions  

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 5, 2010 8:42 PM CST up reply actions  

A broken record, yes...

however, it’s one that I fear could become a reality. This team will have to score a LOT of runs, especially in April and May, when they have an easier schedule. The news on Guzman is troubling. It may press Cashner into action, which may not be a bad thing.

On Calero…

I’d be leery of a guy who 29 other teams passed on, and the one that signed him only gave him a minor league deal.

It’s never stopped Hendry before!

cough…Bradley…cough…Miles

Scott Bora$ is satan.

by Canadian Cubs Fan on Mar 5, 2010 8:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Which reminds me

When’s Cashner pitch? I’d like to see him throw an inning or two.

by timh815 on Mar 5, 2010 8:54 PM CST up reply actions  

There are two reasonable "certainties" about the bullpen

John Grabow, Sean Marshall. Carlos Marmol should be fine, but we don’t know that yet. Nor do we know the role he is capable of serving. Beyond that? It’s a crapshoot. A crapshoot that looks like a big, big trainwreck in the making.

The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.

by BLou on Mar 5, 2010 8:58 PM CST up reply actions  

We really do need a derecommend

Sure the Cubs have problems but gloating day after day after day after day about everything negative is boring and repetitive.

Good or bad, I’m looking forward to seeing how the season plays out.

by rlpete on Mar 6, 2010 7:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, no kidding

But in Blou’s defense, I do like his sig.

"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will

by eswan9 on Mar 5, 2010 9:34 PM CST up reply actions  

never let it be said that you aren't consistent.

Consistently wrong, that is.

In the last two years, Ryan Dempster has pitched over 400 innings combined, starting 64 games, and winning 28.

Ted Lilly pitched 381 innings, starting 61 games and winning 29.

In the same period of time, Zambrano has pitched 357, starting 58 games and winning 23.

FACTS. Go on, deny them.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 5, 2010 9:02 PM CST up reply actions  

::: crickets :::

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 6, 2010 8:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 6, 2010 9:10 AM CST up reply actions  

tedious olde soul you are

you can’t get much by that #$%@ ballhawk -- LT

by Emelie on Mar 5, 2010 9:25 PM CST up reply actions  

News flash:

THE CUBS WON TODAY

That is a fact. Go ahead, run away and hide from it.

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 5, 2010 9:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Stop it Blou

75 wins, I do not think so.

It's simple Cubs in the spring and summer, Vols in the fall and winter.

by cubvol on Mar 5, 2010 8:44 PM CST reply actions  

Colvin

Colvin’s start will hopefully translate into a good spring for him. The outfield looks more set if he plays well enough to have a roster spot.

The pitching is concerning. They should at least bring in that reliever they’ve been talking about getting.

by AboutTheCubs on Mar 5, 2010 8:46 PM CST reply actions  

I conclude

I conclude that someone has kidnapped the real Cubs and the owners of the Bears.

I do want the real Cubs to be back but they can keep the owners of the Bears. Been over at my Bears forum all evening.

Because Fox Entertainment has been posessed by Cheese Smokie Monsters Bones returns in April so B&B have to wait.

by puckishcubsfan on Mar 5, 2010 9:29 PM CST reply actions  

Colvin and Castro

I hope we see them both either tomorrow or Sunday.

Does anyone know if we’re going to get Hawk and Stone. or Len and Bob this weekend? Or one pair for one game and one for the other

Because Fox Entertainment has been posessed by Cheese Smokie Monsters Bones returns in April so B&B have to wait.

by puckishcubsfan on Mar 5, 2010 9:30 PM CST reply actions  

good lord, no.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 6, 2010 8:46 AM CST up reply actions  

LOL

It’s Len & Bob today. Tomorrow (Sunday) does not have TV coverage.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 6, 2010 8:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Sure it (Sunday) does

http://www.wgntv.com/sports/baseball/cubs/schedule/

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Mar 6, 2010 9:24 AM CST up reply actions  

I stand corrected.

I was looking at the other split-squad game tomorrow, which does not have TV coverage.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 6, 2010 9:50 AM CST up reply actions  

I like this pairing

Better than the other possible mash-up

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Mar 6, 2010 8:53 AM CST up reply actions  

well

I suppose if I have to combine them. But Len & Bob outweighs any combination of Cubs/WS announcers on their own.

I wouldn’t mind seeing Pat & Bob, and I think Len & Ron would be a lot of fun.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 6, 2010 9:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Forgot this as I was unable to get on earlier.

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 5, 2010 9:48 PM CST reply actions  

I got Heilman to sign a ball last year in Pittsburgh...

…I’ll pay someone to take it off me.

United we stand and united we'll fall......down on our knees when we win it all!

by Bricks and Ivy on Mar 5, 2010 11:52 PM CST reply actions  

I'll take it. I love Old Style.

Oh, no wait..my mistake….I thought you said Heileman.

"Chicago Cubs baseball is on the air."-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Mar 6, 2010 7:05 AM CST up reply actions  

i think i could be wrong but

i think the hidden part of tis spring is that if colvin kills it and dome doesnt do anything that dome will be our fifth outfielder… colvin is competing against dome not against fuld IMO…

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

by fischisgod on Mar 6, 2010 1:58 AM CST reply actions  

Take a breath

Colvin has not proven he can hit AAA pitching let alone big league pitching.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Mar 6, 2010 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

what pitching was he hitting

yesterday and the day before?

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 6, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Seriously?

You think a few ABs in spring prove anything? If yes … WOW!

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Mar 6, 2010 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

if the guys he's facing

are MLB pitchers, then he’s hitting MLB pitching. Sure, it’s a small sample size. But he’s certainly impressing people.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 6, 2010 9:02 PM CST up reply actions  

a half dozen ABs tells you almost nothing

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Mar 7, 2010 10:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Really disagree with you, Al.

They way the Cubs pen looks right now, they could have signed Calero — who will only earn $850K if he makes the Mets MLB club, not counting incentives — and let him duke it out with the kids you’re so high on. Given the lack of interest in Calero by other team, I understand not giving him a major league contract — but the Cubs didn’t even have to give him one. And the money he’ll make IF HE MAKES THE METS’ ROSTER is only slightly more than the Cubs saved in the Theriot arbitration hearing.

Also, if even Calero made the roster, the injuries to Gray and Guzman would have meant that some kid would have had a chance after Marmol, Grabow, Caridad, Marshall/Gorzo/Silva, Calero.

BTW, you’re “nothing to see here” comments over the past couple weeks about Guzman’s injury sure seem off now, don’t they?

by elgato on Mar 6, 2010 7:55 AM CST reply actions  

Dang

Poor guy can’t catch a break.

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"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Mar 6, 2010 8:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, apparently Guzman's injury is more serious than anyone wanted to say at the time.

Or maybe they really didn’t think it was anything, and it’s proven to be more NOW — that’s possible, right?

I think any of the kids can do the job Calero can. Again, ask yourself: if Calero’s so good, why did 29 teams pass on him and one team only gave him a minor league deal? That screams out: “Something’s wrong with him.”

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 6, 2010 8:54 AM CST up reply actions  

I understand that logic.

But consider the Cubs’ situation.

1) Calero was signed to a minor-league deal, so one of the kids could have beaten him out for the job. That’s making the (rather safe) assumption that Calero would have accepted a similar deal from the Cubs.

2) Even if he makes the team, he’ll earn a base salary of $850,000 — or slightly more than what the Cubs saved at the Theriot hearing.

3) Calero signed TWO days ago, and Lou says the Cubs have been worried about Guzman for four or five days!

The only way I’m not really ticked at Hendry is if he’s working another deal and needs that $800K to complete it. Here’s hoping — because I don’t want to count on Caridad and Cashner and Berg. That sounds like the Pirates bullpen — not a bullpen we want to depend on to go deep into the postseason.

by elgato on Mar 6, 2010 9:01 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't know all the specifics

but being worried =/= knowing what’s wrong, right? Maybe they were hoping it wasn’t something that would need surgery, and therefore, not another signing?

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 6, 2010 9:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Calero wasn't guaranteed a roster spot, Drew.

So, who cares? If Guzman was fine, and if the kids beat out Calero, BFD.

by elgato on Mar 6, 2010 9:17 AM CST up reply actions  

It's still money

that has to be spent.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 6, 2010 9:22 AM CST up reply actions  

I hope you respond, Drew ...

otherwise, you could be construed as being guilty of the same thing you accused BLou of earlier in this thread.

Just sayin’.

by elgato on Mar 6, 2010 9:33 AM CST up reply actions  

interesting ...

I’m signing off, in case there’s any rebuttal.

by elgato on Mar 6, 2010 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

dood

I have a life, I was taking my kid to the doctor and going to the store.

Yes, it’s $850k. We know Hendry’s at the bottom of the barrel.

We don’t know the whole story, and I don’t think that we should be privy to every decision. Maybe $850k is too much for Calero, in his opinion.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 6, 2010 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

whatever

You’re unwilling to acknowledge that the money wasn’t guaranteed.

by elgato on Mar 6, 2010 6:08 PM CST up reply actions  

huh?

you have to budget on the concept that he WILL make the team, or why make the offer to begin with? And I doubt he was going to play in the minors for nothing.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 6, 2010 9:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Beimel is still out there

Two problems. He supposedly wants two million. He is exactly the kind of jackass they are trying to avoid having in the clubhouse. Still might be worth checking out.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Mar 6, 2010 9:20 AM CST reply actions  

What is it with you and Beimel?

You’ve been trying to get the Cubs to get him for two years.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 6, 2010 9:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Actually I hate the guy

I am sure what he did to the Dodgers in the 06 playoffs is what is making him radioactive for most teams, but I do think the Cubs might need some help and he is probably the best guy left standing.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Mar 6, 2010 10:01 AM CST up reply actions  

As noted below

… the Cubs are looking for a RHP, so Beimel doesn’t qualify.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 6, 2010 10:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Just got rid of one jackass, Doggie

not sure we need to fill that role. I’d vote to see what the kids can do

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by tommy veryzer on Mar 6, 2010 9:55 AM CST up reply actions  

I am concerned with the bullpen as well,

but the Cubs to have plenty of arms in camp to fill out the roster. Marmol, Grabow, and Marshall should be locks. If it was up to me, Samardzija would have been converted into a set-up guy after 2007, the dude just doesn’t seem like a starter to me. But with his fastball and any other pitch, he could turn out to be a good set-up guy. Furthermore, Esmalian Caridad seems to have a good chance to make the team, Lou sounds like he’s a fan of his. I would think guys like Berg, Stevens, and Gaub will get their chances as well.

I would prefer to see Cashner remain a starter. Keep him in the minors or let him compete with Silva for the 5th spot in the rotation, assuming Silva can even compete.

by tripdenten on Mar 6, 2010 1:42 PM CST reply actions  

Guzman's injury is even more reason to move Samrdzija to the pen full time.

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by lookingdeadred on Mar 7, 2010 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

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