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A Tale Of Carlos And Carlos: Silva Bad, Marmol Good In 15-3 Sox Blowout Of Cubs

As you can imagine, I wasn't in a big hurry to post the recap of today's 15-3 loss to the White Sox, the Cubs' first spring loss of 2010.

Carlos Silva had a real chance to show the Cubs, and everyone else, that what's been said about him all winter was wrong. At that, he failed miserably, giving up seven hits and six runs in two innings of work, including a pair of home runs to Carlos Quentin. (For the record, Quentin had been 1-for-3 with a walk in four career regular season PA vs. Silva.)

I realize this likely means that Silva is headed to the 60-day DL or maybe even an outright release. At this point, the Cubs probably will give him at least one or two more chances to show that he has anything left -- and then I would recommend exactly that. If a guy's going to be this bad, you obviously can't have him hanging around even as the 12th man on the staff who pitches in garbage time. But to me, with only three games completed out of more than 30 scheduled, it's too early to completely throw him on the scrap pile. And no, I do NOT want Milton Bradley back under any circumstances. For that, the deal was still worth it.

It is, though, getting closer to dumping time. More after the jump.

Star-divide

As for the other Carlos who threw today, Carlos Marmol, much better results were had. Marmol looked sharp and focused, despite a couple of pitches thrown well out of the strike zone. He struck out two and didn't walk anyone and what more could you ask?

Meanwhile, the other Cubs pitchers didn't show so well, either. Andrew Cashner, who is now in the bullpen mix, walked two and gave up a run, and John Grabow looked awful, giving up a three-run homer to Jayson Nix. Four more runs were allowed by Jeff Kennard, who won't see Wrigley Field this year without a ticket.

The Cubs offense, so good the last two days, was mostly absent today. Kosuke Fukudome drove in a pair of runs with a bases-full single and Ryan Theriot had his first two hits of the spring. Geovany Soto's two singles and a base hit by Chicago-area native Jim Adduci were the rest of the "offense".

On the WGN telecast, Lou said that the two open rotation spots were being fought for by Silva and Jeff Samardzija from the RHP side, and Tom Gorzelanny and Sean Marshall from the LHP side. (Two, because Ted Lilly, Lou said, would likely not be ready till May 1.) Samardzija and Gorzelanny are supposed to start tomorrow's split squad games (Gorz against the Dodgers in Mesa, Shark vs. the White Sox in Glendale), but this weather forecast calls for chilly rain all day in the Valley, and two rainouts might result, setting both of them back.

And as if that weren't bad enough news, Andres Blanco sprained his knee today on what looked otherwise like a routine play, and he may be out for more than a week.

It's early enough in the spring so that all of these things can work themselves out. But today wasn't a good day. Let's hope for better things tomorrow, weather permitting.

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Too early to write of Silva.

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by ronsanto10 on Mar 6, 2010 6:54 PM CST reply actions  

Agreed.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 6, 2010 6:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Disagree. He hasn't pitched

well for the past 2 years. Large contract (at the time) castaway.

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by scottsdalecubs on Mar 6, 2010 11:28 PM CST up reply actions  

We're all well aware of that.

However, he HAS pitched well in the past. It’s way too early to write him off based on two spring training innings.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 7, 2010 7:44 AM CST up reply actions  

However, he HAS pitched well in the past.

no, he has not. the only thing silva has/had going for him was that he doesnt walk people. thats because people are too busy hitting rockets off him to get to ball 3

by jesus christos on Mar 7, 2010 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

I will repeat.

Silva’s “best” years, and granted, they weren’t great, were about equal to the years Jason Marquis had as a 5th starter for the Cubs.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 7, 2010 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd rather have Marquis, than Silva, but..

of course that’s easy to say now after last season when Marquis had a more than average year. It doesn’t matter, I didn’t really expect Silva to get a starting job in the first place. He’ll be more of a Heilman or something like that in the bullpen. I believe that the way Marshall is pitching, he really wants that 5th spot. I would think Gorzelanny would go in for LIlly while he’s out and Marshall to take that 5th spot. And whoever does best while Lilly is out will get that 5th spot, and the other to the bullpen or AAA. It’s a little early, but I’ll stand by my prediction.

by alabamacubbie on Mar 7, 2010 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Today, he was awful.

Maybe next time, he won’t be. If he is awful next time, it would be time to start thinking about Plan B.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 6, 2010 7:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed, JC

And agreed, Al. I wouldn’t give Silva too much rope.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Mar 6, 2010 7:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed as well. I'd give him one more chance or two. Maybe he was just working the kinks out today.....maybe

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by mikegncb34 on Mar 6, 2010 7:28 PM CST up reply actions  

well, yes....obviously...

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by mikegncb34 on Mar 6, 2010 9:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Except

he was awful in 2009 and 2008 too. He was awful in 2006. He was just crummy in 2007.

There’s only so much awful he can produce before you just have to say he’s awful.

One ST game proves nothing. Four years of stink do. My biggest fear is that he pitches well in two or three ST games and it makes Jim and Lou think he can be in the rotation.

by Josh Timmers on Mar 6, 2010 7:31 PM CST up reply actions  

If what we saw today was any indication,

I don’t think it will be that long before Plan B goes into effect.

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

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by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 6, 2010 7:37 PM CST up reply actions  

that's assuming Lou and Jim HAVE a plan B

and nothing they’ve done in prior years would hit that either one of them EVER have real backup plans. Unless you want to count Spellcheck, who was AWFUL as a starter last year, and Gorzelanny who was mostly awful as a starter the last two years as “Plan B”

I’m sorry but a rotation of:

Zambrano
Dempster
Wells
Gorzo-Marshall
Silva-Spellcheck

is not good. It’s really, really not good.

Quite frankly, our pitching staff is a bit of a mess.

I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers

by Nunyabidness on Mar 7, 2010 4:33 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd have to go through his starts as a Cub ...

but other than the Colorado game, I liked what I saw.

by elgato on Mar 7, 2010 8:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Okay, I was just wondering

if you were dissing him or not.

For now, I’m good with Gorz and Marshall, but they need challengers. Non-Shark challengers. Al and I (below) have come up with Casey Coleman and Mitch Atkins.

by timh815 on Mar 7, 2010 8:12 AM CST up reply actions  

I think Marshall ends up in the pen

Silva gets dumped and Shark and Gorzo are in the rotation to start the season.

by elgato on Mar 7, 2010 8:14 AM CST up reply actions  

if Shark earns it by

getting people out in March, I’m fine with that. But if unknowns outpitch him, give them the ball and let shark stew in the pen

by timh815 on Mar 7, 2010 8:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Master B plan?


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by eths on Mar 7, 2010 6:34 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

What about the Master P plan?

Oh…that’s so terrible…

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by Craig in South Bend on Mar 7, 2010 8:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

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by eswan9 on Mar 6, 2010 7:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I wrote him off the day the Cubs acquired him

They have to go through the motions and see if he has anything but today’s appearance was pretty much what I expected.

by rlpete on Mar 6, 2010 11:30 PM CST up reply actions  

exactly. I find it pretty funny there are so many people who want to desperately believe

that putting on a Cubs uniform will all of the sudden make him better than he’s been in years

I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers

by Nunyabidness on Mar 7, 2010 4:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes.

Presuming it doesn’t rain.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 6, 2010 6:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Also, don't rule out the two lefties both in the rotation

Marshall and Gorzelanny are probably our best bets until Lilly comes back. Keep another lefty in the pen to start the season, like Gaub. Then send him down and put the less effective of Sean and Tom in the bullpen when Lilly comes back.

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by cubzfan on Mar 6, 2010 6:58 PM CST reply actions  

I wouldn't object to having two lefties in the rotation.

Also remember the Cubs don’t need a fifth starter until April 19.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 6, 2010 7:01 PM CST up reply actions  

in theory

Lilly will be back by then.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 6, 2010 8:51 PM CST up reply actions  

*Could* be back

Lou’s still looking at a May 1 return

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by Clutch16 on Mar 6, 2010 11:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Hendry

said middle of April yesterday. The delay has nothing to do with his rehab, and everything to do with getting sick. Since he was on track to come back early, this just pushes him back to return on time.

Never mind the fact that we don’t even need a fifth starter till the end of April anyway.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 7, 2010 9:02 AM CST up reply actions  

As I posted in the other thread...

… Lou and Jim have to get their stories straight. Lou said May 1 during the telecast.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 7, 2010 9:23 AM CST up reply actions  

yes, I saw

and as I said there, I don’t really think it matters. Either way, we don’t need a fifth starter til May.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 7, 2010 9:32 AM CST up reply actions  

And Al has said we don't need a fifth starter til April 19.

I wish you two would get your stories straight… ;-)

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 7, 2010 10:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Hmm... I may have erred on what Al said as I just looked at the schedule...

…and it looks like the first time we need one is April 18. And then the 23rd and the 28th. So that’s 3 starts from a 5th starter in April.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 7, 2010 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

I counted to April 19.

Which would also mean April 24 and April 29. And then you could skip that turn again, since there’s an off day on May 3.

Seriously, I wish a team would try this — you could probably spot a fifth starter into your rotation 20-25 times a year, using the off days, which would give maybe 2-3 more starts each to your top four starters. That’s not a huge workload, and gives more starts to your better pitchers, rather than give 32-33 starts to each of 5 pitchers.

If a manager tried this and succeeded, everyone would do it. But there’s got to be one guy who’s willing to risk it first.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 7, 2010 10:22 AM CST up reply actions  

The problem would be the fragile pitchers of this era

And how everybody would eat that manager alive if his frontline pitchers got injured because of this practice.

by chilango2 on Mar 7, 2010 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

In the April 19th scenario, whoever starts on the 14th (most likely #4 in the rotation)

…would have to go again on short rest on the 18th. That’s why I’m thinking the 18th is the first day we’ll need a 5th starter.

As to your other point, I think it depends on the makeup of the rotation, specifically who is your #5. If it’s somebody like Marquis (pretty good when compared to other #5s), then you might be better off with the spreading it out to all 5.

But I’d much rather invest in 4 quality horses and run them out there on regular rest, regardless of off days. Then gamble on the #5 – rookie, crafty vet, swing man, etc. Like you said, give more starts to your better guys.

And frankly, I’m old school enough I’d take it further and make every effort to go back to a four-man rotation.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 7, 2010 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I must be missing something obvious.

The schedule on Cubs.com shows the Cubs play 6 straight games from April 7th to April 12th (2 @ Atlanta, 3 @ CIN, 1 vs MIL).

Even with the off day on the 6th, wouldn’t we “need” a 5th starter on Sunday the 11th?

by fsuapollo on Mar 7, 2010 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

By jove, I think you're right...

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 7, 2010 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

No, that's not right.

Because of the off day on April 6, you could come back with the Opening Day starter (Z) on April 10 (the 5th game, instead of a 5th starter).

Then there’s ANOTHER off day on April 13, which allows you to push everyone back another day.

I stand by my earlier statement: you need only 4 starters until April 19. Count it out.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 8, 2010 8:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Again, I must be missing something. I am counting it out.

Let me put it out there with an example. Let’s say the 4-man rotation to start the season is: Z, Demp, Wells, Gorz.

Mon 5th @ Atlanta: Z
Tue 6th off
Wed 7th @ Atlanta: Demp
Thurs 8th @ Atlanta: Wells
Fri 9th @ CIN: Gorz
Sat 10th @ CIN: Z (on normal 4 days of rest)

Sun 11th @ CIN: ???

Mon 12th vs MIL: Demp (on 4 days)
Tues 13th off
Wed 14th vs MIL: Wells (on 5 days)
Thurs 15th vs MIL: Z (on 4 days)
Fri 16th vs HOU: Gorz (on 7 days)
Sat 17th vs HOU: Demp (on 4 days)

Sun 18th vs HOU: ?????

by fsuapollo on Mar 8, 2010 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Al, I did count it out. Assuming nobody pitches on short rest, we need a 5th starter on Apr 11.

You need to look past Z. He’s fine because of the off days. But whoever is 2nd is the one that gets hosed. Assuming he follows Z and Z pitches on April 10, then #2 would pitch the next game, April 11. But previous start was on April 7 so that would be on short rest.

Bottom line: Any time you have games on five consecutive days, you’re gonna need five starters.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 8, 2010 7:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, you guys are right.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 9, 2010 8:08 AM CST up reply actions  

That's a plan

I can support. (Provided Marshall and Gorz cooperate, of course.)

by Not Bruce Froemming on Mar 6, 2010 7:26 PM CST up reply actions  

which is a pretty big assumption

I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers

by Nunyabidness on Mar 7, 2010 4:35 AM CST up reply actions  

No, not really

It isn’t that big of an assumption.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Mar 7, 2010 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I know today was a bad day, but...

on a positive note, it’s good to see Geo swinging that bat again.

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by mikegncb34 on Mar 6, 2010 7:29 PM CST reply actions  

It's also nice to...

…note that Dome is back in form. I’m predicting he’ll have his best season yet, and that he’ll remain productive throughout.

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Great things from the Cubs will soon be heard."

by LeSaboteur on Mar 6, 2010 10:17 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I sure hope so

every guy who can step up takes pressure off the guys who HAVE to step up…

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 6, 2010 11:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Bingo...

With more of a team approach, they will succeed this year. If Aramis or Derrek is having an off-night, Dome and Geo need to pick them up. If Soriano and Theriot are slumping, we need to see someone like Marlon Byrd or Baker get it done. Bottom line is they need to start picking each other up. Quite frankly, I think they can. Again, I know it’s only the spring, but their is a different attitude—-a different “spunk,” if you will—-that i haven’t really seen since the ’03 squad.

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by mikegncb34 on Mar 6, 2010 11:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I think so too, Le

I’ve always though Dome needed time to adjust and with the vast acculturation necessary in a move to the states (AND a new baby), two years seems about right. I’m convinced he’s going to be a strong teammate from here on out.

you can’t get much by that #$%@ ballhawk -- LT

by Emelie on Mar 7, 2010 7:37 AM CST up reply actions  

I liked seeing

Tyler Colvin, even though he didn’t do that well today. The way people were talking about him, I thought he was the Incredible Hulk this spring. He’s not. He’s just not the skinny rail bird he’s been since we drafted him.

by Josh Timmers on Mar 6, 2010 7:33 PM CST reply actions  

I think it's the uniform

I heard similar things about Theriot too. The only offseason makeover that can be visibly seen is Geo.

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by TkGoUWGB on Mar 6, 2010 7:52 PM CST up reply actions  

on what team

because Ryan Theriot as the starting 2B on the Cubs means not-good things are happening.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 7, 2010 9:03 AM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't say that.

I think Castro still needs to go to AAA, but if he is better than Theriot and Theriot is better than whoever wins 2b, why would that be so bad?

by TJ11 on Mar 7, 2010 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Theriot

is not better than Baker.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 7, 2010 5:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Have you been outside?

It’s lovely! I grilled and everything.

by chilango2 on Mar 6, 2010 7:37 PM CST reply actions  

Anyone notice how quick Geo Soto looked today?

 I know that it’s been reported that he lost 40 pounds, but sometimes, seeing is believing.

by braziliancubsfan on Mar 6, 2010 8:42 PM CST reply actions  

I'm impressed with his bat speed. I was afraid he'd lose some of his "sting" as Len called it....

……..when he lost all of that weight, but it didn’t look like he did.

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by Ryno Runner on Mar 6, 2010 8:48 PM CST up reply actions  

probably because of better balance

helps not having a gut through your balance off. not to mention his batting stance changed

by jesus christos on Mar 6, 2010 9:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I thought I noticed something different about his stance.

Hopefully his “sting” stays with him throughout the rest of the season.

Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.

by Ryno Runner on Mar 6, 2010 9:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Like a cat!

Its a whole new you!

There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.

by truelinkfence on Mar 7, 2010 9:08 AM CST up reply actions  

2010

they were good, they were bad, they were fast, they were slow,they were hurt, they were well, they were fat…….we can talk about them forever!

The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.

by BLou on Mar 6, 2010 9:55 PM CST reply actions  

What's your point?

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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Mar 7, 2010 8:31 AM CST up reply actions  

you took the bait.

you can’t get much by that #$%@ ballhawk -- LT

by Emelie on Mar 7, 2010 9:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Gordo quotes Silva
`Of course, I want to win the spot in the rotation, but right now I have to just worry about getting my stuff back,‘’ he said, ``because no matter if I’m a starter or a reliever, if I don’t have my stuff, I’m going to lose a job either way. So I’ve got to keep working and keep learning, and right now I’m trying a lot of different things.’’

Full article here.

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by zevkalman on Mar 6, 2010 11:09 PM CST reply actions  

atleast he understands that

and isnt making excuses

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by Cubbie-Tim on Mar 7, 2010 12:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Exactly.

I’ve been in the “Silva is not a good pitcher” camp since the day we traded for him, but that doesn’t mean I’m not hoping some sort of act of God changes that. I’m rooting for him to find a spark and be good. As long as he maintains a good attitude and keeps working hard, I’ll remain behind him. That doesn’t mean I want him to keep getting playing time regardless; but I’ll keep offering my encouragment, for whatever it’s worth (which obviously isn’t much).

by CubsWin!Oregon on Mar 7, 2010 1:28 AM CST up reply actions  

well, he may say he understands it

but showing up to camp looking like a fat toad makes me think at the very least his work ethic leaves something to be desired

I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers

by Nunyabidness on Mar 7, 2010 4:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Being fat doesn't mean you can't pitch.

Also, watching him, I did not think he was as fat as we were led to believe.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 7, 2010 7:46 AM CST up reply actions  

He really doesn't look any fatter...

Than I remember when he was with the Twins a few years ago. Of course, he sucked just as royally then too…

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by mutleyil on Mar 7, 2010 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

agree Tim

that was an honest and refreshing response to his awful outing. Makes me hope he does get his stuff back. Not counting on it, but hoping.

you can’t get much by that #$%@ ballhawk -- LT

by Emelie on Mar 7, 2010 7:41 AM CST up reply actions  

I didnt see him pitch

I didnt see Penny pitch either (3runs 6 hits 2 innings). But given the quote above it should be clear that Silvas goal was not to pitch perfect innings but to obviously force his faults, correct the faults and learn. Yeah I am pulling for the guy but am much more concerned how he looks at the end of ST.

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by truelinkfence on Mar 7, 2010 8:52 AM CST up reply actions  

that's what spring training is for

so, if he can make it work, that’s gravy.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 7, 2010 9:03 AM CST up reply actions  

I know it was his first game but Soriano looked much like he did last year.

Pop-ups and errors. He really makes me wish the NL had a DH.

What is hilarious is there are some people who believe he is an above average fielder.

Maybe its a good thing if he has a cold March because he is so streaky. Don’t want him getting cold to start the season.

by TJ11 on Mar 7, 2010 12:33 AM CST reply actions  

sigh...
“What is hilarious is there are some people who believe he is an above average fielder.”

You’d be more convincing if you took the time to actually address why people are wrong who cite the whole host of statistical arguments that Soriano is actually a good fielder.

But I suppose if making throw-away, dismissive comments without an actual argument is your thing, than the jokes on me for even taking the time to comment…

by CubsWin!Oregon on Mar 7, 2010 1:37 AM CST up reply actions  

If you have been paying attention for the last several months people have already done that.

Do you think he is a good fielder? Just curious…..If so, can you tell me why, besides his strong arm, you would think that? Please use all your statistical arguments….

by TJ11 on Mar 7, 2010 8:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Soriano has been an above-average fielder

Prior to last year, he made a lot of outfield assists, throwing a lot of guys out from left field. That changed last year, and some of us are hoping that it has not changed for good.

I believe that you probably do find hilarity in our hopefulness, but I don’t believe that I care where you get your jollies…

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by vonde6 on Mar 7, 2010 9:43 AM CST up reply actions  

I said besides his arm.....

His routes are bad, he drops fly balls, and is scared of the wall.

Who knows, maybe you see something different.

by TJ11 on Mar 7, 2010 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

He has his strengths and weaknesses certainly.

But why arbitrarily ignore one central aspect of defense (ie throwing) when judging him?.

For the same reason that people on knock on Juan Pierrer or Ryan Theriot for having the arms of 3 year olds, seems like having the oppositive should be a plus.

by CubsWin!Oregon on Mar 7, 2010 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't ignore it, it is a good thing to have. BUT, I would trade it for an average arm if he could be counted on to do the rest of his job on defense well.

This is part of the reason people are talking about his moving to 1B someday. That thought scares me but obviously his strong arm won’t matter too much there and would be all about his horrid all around game in LF.

by TJ11 on Mar 7, 2010 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Fair enough.

I do think he’s trending in the wrong direction. I’m just not as negative on his past performance as a whole.

by CubsWin!Oregon on Mar 7, 2010 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Under the circumstances

the physical condition of Silva says all that is needed to judge his dedication to help the Cubs this year. Cut him now before he eats $3M worth of food to offset what we saved swapping him for Bradley.

by tharr on Mar 7, 2010 3:13 AM CST reply actions  

Agreed. Reporting to the Cubs apparently out of shape (given his last 2 years' performance) indicates

to me that he’s either hurt or simply doesn’t care enough to get IN shape. The pay’s the same I guess. He still gets his money whether on the DL or released. It’s a nice position to be in if you are Carlos Silva.

Based on his past two seasons of work and his performance today, he had better turn it around immediately or he simply as no place on this team.

Now if he is really hurt, then that’s a different story…

"Look, what do you want me to do?"

by Zeke on Mar 7, 2010 3:33 AM CST up reply actions  

good point. deeds not words.

you can’t get much by that #$%@ ballhawk -- LT

by Emelie on Mar 7, 2010 7:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Disagree.

It is fine to question his work ethic, but Silva has always been a bigger guy. He doesn’t appear to be drastically different than in years past.

Being bigger and not focusing on conditioning is not ideal… but it is not causal to pitching problems. Guys like David Wells and Rick Reuschel were never confused with being an Adonis.

Do I wish he came in in better shape? Of course. But coming in looking basically the same as he always has doesn’t to me proclaim that he automatically lacks dedication.

by fsuapollo on Mar 7, 2010 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Fair point.

We’ll see I guess. The proof will be in the puddin’ as they say.

Just don’t eat it Carlos.

"Look, what do you want me to do?"

by Zeke on Mar 7, 2010 5:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Plan B

Not many people seriously expected Silva to be good. While he was dreadful today, and may continue to be, I have a Plan B. I don’t like it, but it might work.

When Wells came up, few thought he would be legitimate, much less as good as he was. In fact, some thought he was the wrong callup. While I think yesterday’s starter should be given another opportunity or two to pitch well, yesterday’s last pitcher, Mitch Atkins (or Casey Lambert) ought to be considered before we throw two prospects for a guy that the other team knows is done before we do.

by timh815 on Mar 7, 2010 7:42 AM CST reply actions  

Did you mean Casey Coleman?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 7, 2010 7:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Nope

He was in Peoria. Mitch Atkins had a WHIP of 1.49 and might be worth starting in a spring game.

As for prospects, my guess would be Coleman plus Barney for a guy that is old and expensive-ish.

by timh815 on Mar 7, 2010 7:54 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd rather see Coleman get a shot.

To me, he’s very Randy Wells-like in his approach to the game.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 7, 2010 8:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Okay, let them both have a go

I’ll wipe the egg off my face if Coleman is good to go in 2010. I thought he’d be go to go (for someone else) in 2011.

Our internal answers seem as good as the ones we buy/trade for recently. That would save trade chips for later.

by timh815 on Mar 7, 2010 8:04 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree with you about checking internal answers first.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 7, 2010 8:12 AM CST up reply actions  

but we're glass-half-full types.

Obviously we should give Pedro/Smoltz a blank check.

sarcasm

by timh815 on Mar 7, 2010 8:14 AM CST up reply actions  

no matter

what happens with silva he served his purpose in ridding the cubs of bradley. maybe the guy is done.some of these players lose it overnight. but dont feel too bad for a guy who will make more in the next 2 years than we will in our lifetime. he will be alright.

by NOMAR on Mar 7, 2010 8:03 AM CST reply actions  

Agreed

A. Had to get rid of Bradley so more or less had to settle for someone — Silva.
B. A lot of talk about Silva needing to lose weight during ST, instead of showing up in playing shape, a la Z and Geo etc.

One of Lee Elia's 15%

by waiting4cubs on Mar 7, 2010 9:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Wasn't able to catch the game yesterday

What exactly was wrong with Silva? Just not making pitches or what?

by ryanbaker08 on Mar 7, 2010 10:56 AM CST reply actions  

Very easy

1. See Carlos throw a pitch with nothing on it.
2. See the White Sox hit it hard.

Seriously he just had nothing. He was just throwing batting practice. If you look back when he was “successful” he always gave up a lot of hits and HR’s. He just managed to get by on the slimest margin and that he walked no one. That isn’t a good recipe for long-term success especially if you are out of shape and can’t hit the exact spot you need to hit.

There is no chance he will contribute this year.

by rlpete on Mar 7, 2010 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Well

Can’t say i’m not suprised.. From what i’ve seen out of him the past couple years I wasn’t so sure about his ability to make solid pitches with confidence. Not looking good…

by ryanbaker08 on Mar 7, 2010 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

I meant

Can’t say i’m suprised

by ryanbaker08 on Mar 7, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

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