Could Kerry Wood Return?: Cubs vs. Brewers at Mesa, Tuesday 3/9, 2:05 CT
We all know the Cubs need bullpen help.
We also know the Cleveland Indians are probably not going anywhere this year and probably would like to get rid of Kerry Wood's contract, which calls for him to be paid $10.5 million this year, and $11 million in 2011 if he has 55 games finished this season (otherwise, the $11m becomes a club option).
We also know that the Cubs don't have a whole lot of payroll space. But could the Cubs bring Wood back in the 8th-inning role -- with the possibility of him being available to close if Carlos Marmol fails -- if the Tribe would eat a large portion of that deal? If Wood were a setup man, he wouldn't have 55 games finished (he had 50 last year as a closer, and 56 as Cubs closer in 2008).
Or -- now here's something you'd probably all be in favor of -- could the Cubs and Indians trade contracts? Could Carlos Silva be of interest to Cleveland?
George Castle says "bring him back":Wood’s veteran stature, his knowledge of the pressure surrounding all things Cub and the fact he won’t wet his pants in a tight spot in the eighth make him the best man for the job now. His motivation would be unquestioned, and he’d be coming home after having moved here full-time from longtime quarters in the Phoenix area.
Carol Slezak in the Sun-Times, though, says Wood's too expensive:
Wood is coming off a pretty good season, and bullpen help is hard to find. But it's so like Cubs fans to think that a sentimental favorite can return to Wrigley Field and save the day. So let's nip this one in the bud, OK? Because the Cubs aren't about to spend $10.5 million on anyone -- let alone a player with a lengthy history of injuries.
Again, maybe the money could be negotiated -- and the "lengthy history of injuries" ended for Wood in 2007. His DL time in 2008 was for a blister, not arm-related trouble, and he was healthy in 2009. Despite numbers that don't look that great for 2009, Wood was pitching for a much poorer team last year than he did in 2008, often going several days without a save opportunity, and his numbers from July 1 to the end of the season were solid and not dissimilar to his 2008 performance.
If the money issue can be solved, this is the right move to make. Bring him back, Jim.
On to today's game after the jump.
Randy Wells makes his second start of the spring, so I assume he'll be going three innings today. We may see some of the relievers who were going to go in the split-squad games on Sunday. Jeff Suppan will start for the Brewers.
Lineup via tweet from Carrie:
SS Theriot, RF Fukudome, 1B Lee, 3B Ramirez, CF Byrd, LF Soriano, 2B Fontenot, C Soto, P Wells
Today's game is on WGN radio with Pat & Ron. If you have MLB Audio, you can listen to that or the MLB.com broadcast. Here's the complete MLB.com Mediacenter for today.
First pitch thread will post at 2 pm CST. An overflow thread will post at 3:15 CST.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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Would love it
… but I don’t see Kerry coming ack.
as our brains we rack; hear them "click-ety clack"
Wood rarely serves up the jack, let alone back-to-back to some guess-hitting hack…
Yet the Cubs have the knack for going off track to sign some sad-sack…
So back up the Mack; the dollars we’ll pack
and give to a quack who’ll batters will ’tack…
Gack!
(with apologies to Dr. Suess)
"Look, what do you want me to do?"
You're a poet! I liked it
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 9, 2010 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
Underappreciared movie
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
by lostinthevines on Mar 9, 2010 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
movie reference? which one
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
god I saw that movie 100 x what part?
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
When Andre the Giant's rhyming on the boat.
There’s a hilarious reference to it in I Love You, Man that had me (and Paul Rudd) crying.
Is it April?
by neverAcquiesce on Mar 9, 2010 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
yeah it was Fezzik's response to
“No more rhymes now, I mean it.”
"Chicago Cubs baseball is on the air."-Pat Hughes
Fezzik
Are there rocks ahead?
Life will always throw you curves, just keep fouling them off... the right pitch will come, but when it does, be prepared to run the bases. ~Rick Maksian
by Corner of Clark on Mar 9, 2010 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
Oh yeah, LOL....
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
The Princess Bride
Classic. Little Fred Savage has a Cubs pennant in his room to boot.
Is it April?
by neverAcquiesce on Mar 9, 2010 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
I have to update myself on that movie.....been awhile
if the game is cancelled, that’s what I’m watching, that’ll cheer me up
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
Never going to happen
One, Hendry doesn’t have any money to spend. Two, Hendry doesn’t have the money to spend. So unless you can convince Cleveland to take Carlos Silva in exchange….
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Wow, your off today...
It took a whole 6 minutes to pour rain on this parade.
Wasn’t your last projection that Bradley would be the Cubs opening day Right Fielder?
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by Ditkavsworld
He's right. It's not going to happen.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Mar 9, 2010 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
Some of us are actually HOPING it doesn't.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 9, 2010 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not vehemently opposed, but I tend to agree with you
That it would be a P.R. move.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Mar 9, 2010 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
I agree as well that it would be mostly a PR/chemistry move.
But if Woody could pitch as well as he did in ’08…
In that case...
if the offense could perform as well as it did in ’08…
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 9, 2010 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
While we're at it
If the economy could perform as well as it did in ’08. Oh. Nevermind, it sucked then too.
BLOU NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN

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remember what Yogi said, it ain't over till its over

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
When you get to the fork in the road, take it.
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I'm all for it...
…but the Cubs are in a very weak negotiating position here, and I don’t see the Tribe picking up enough of the dough to make it work – unless Ricketts desides to pony up some additional dough this early in the year.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
And if
Cleveland is looking to shed money, why do they take Silva unless the Cubs eat all of it?
No one...
…is taking Silva.
That is, not anyone who is sane.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Soriano and Silva for
F. Martinez and F. Rodriguez!
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Mar 10, 2010 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
More like...
…get it done Tom!
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Right.
Maybe exploring a Wood/Silva deal would be worth doing.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I don't see...
…the tribe wanting Silva, even if the money is about the equivalent (I think Silva is making more the Wood).
They would probably have to give them something else they value, and they would probably be willing to eat some of Woods dough.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
The more they eat...
…the better piece you would have to give them in return.
The only thing that would allow this to happen, is Ricketts approving jacking up the payroll.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
They're not going to want Silva.
Not at that kind of money. Not even if we were paying Silva’s salary. Remember – regardless of our mandated “everyone gets a fresh chance in March” outlook, we’re talking about the worst pitcher in MLB.
He’s a negative asset at any price, and his price is prohibitive. Wood is a positive asset, who is available because he comes with a big contract. Maybe we throw them a prospect and hope that they pick up a ton of cash.
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Don't tease me!
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
by cooliogirl47 on Mar 9, 2010 12:10 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Ditto
he was my favorite Cub, so as far as pure sentimentality goes, I would love to see him back in Cubbie Blue.
I also realize the $ involved, so the odds of it happening are next to nil.
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In what world?
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by Ditkavsworld
I'd make that deal. Choo's a monster. Certainly in comparison to The Fook.
Defense be damned. If (when) A-Ram takes any time off, the runs will have to come from somewhere.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
by lostinthevines on Mar 9, 2010 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
Except "gaclaudy'" above.
He/she questioned as to why that move would be wonderful. Hence my post.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
by lostinthevines on Mar 9, 2010 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
Asked my question because....
If the Indians’ GM did that he would be fired within minutes of the news breaking. Dome/Silva for Woods/Choo would be a one-sided trade favoring the Cubs. I’m almost surprised the idea of Sori/Silva for Woods/Sizemore wasn’t floated out there too.
Just because you can get the trade through on your Xbox doesn’t mean it would happen in really life.
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by Ditkavsworld
Actually, it was...
…a little further down by me. Of course, my fingers were planted firmly in cheek as I was typing that…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I think this is serious wishful thinking
And nothing more unfortunately…
I'm the minority, I know.
But I say leave the past where it is. Yeah, we all have great memories with Wood. But the organization is moving forward and I think bringing him back would be a step backward.
Aren’t there any other good relievers on bad teams who would be cheaper, anyway?
If he could help us
which I think he could I see no problem in bring him back.
by Cubsfan Waveland on Mar 9, 2010 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, the money issue could be solved all right...
presuming of course, Ricketts is the one ponying up the money or a really good prospect.
Why you think the Indians would eat a significant chunk of the contract is beyond me. It’s much too early to determine the Indians aren’t going anywhere this year, especially given the history of the AL Central. And it’s laughable to think the Indians would want Silva on their team instead of Wood.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
well
I guess if it’s doable, I’d like to have him back. But I don’t think Woody will make or break the team.
I’m more concerned with why Fontenot is starting at 2nd today over Baker. Because I’d rather see more of Baker.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
No chance.
I don’t think the Cubs would do it from a “let’s not mess with Marmol’s psyche” perspective. And plus when you factor in the money, there’s just no way.
Oh, and… Wood for Silva? Really Al? Why on earth would Cleveland even consider that?
agreed on the Marmol issue
Wood has incentives for games closed. Would he want to come back and be a setup guy? Would we want another closer controversy?
If Marmol had gotten hurt instead of Guzman, however …
On the plus side, by naming Marmol the closer for the first month or two of the season
even if we did replace him with Wood, he would likely not hit his 55 games closed mark.
I don't know if he'd have a choice ...
but would Kerry be happier as the Cubs eighth-inning guy instead of being the Indians’ closer?
I dunno
The Indians won’t be contenders this year. But a lot of pundits don’t think the Cubs will be either.
Alot of Cubs fans agree.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 9, 2010 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
You, included?
I actually think that if the Cubs improve the bullpen, they’ll be right there with the Cardinals — mainly because I don’t think the Cardinals are that good.
Not answering for SWL, but I think
That an awful lot would have to go better than expected. I still plan to watch, but I’m not holding my breath.
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by Shanghai Badger on Mar 9, 2010 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
I think we need improvements in more important places before we worry too much about the bullpen.
Like the middle infield and another Starting Pitcher.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 9, 2010 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
Sure the Indians will eat the contract
They just want 3 pitchers back the way we did with DeRosa. They will take Marshall, Cashner & Coleman.
Sorry Al pipe dream
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
Right.
Because Marshall, Cashner and Coleman are exactly equal to Gaub, Stevens and Archer.
Not even close.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Of course they don't but why in the world would the Indians eat any signifciant portion of Woods contract
of they don’t get some big stuff in return? Either the Cubs are going to pay 8 million or more or they are going to have to shell out good players.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Mar 9, 2010 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
Which is why Silva enters the discussion
Although whether even the Indians think they can find room for him at the end of their rotation is a question mark. Basically, if we could offer them Silva for Wood, and pay them such that the Indians are saving a few million dollars in the process, that could be worth it to them.
And given that most of us think Silva doesn’t have a place on this team as it is, this type of trade could be spun to be similar to signing Woods to a 1-year FA contract for $2-5m (or whatever).
Putting Silva into the discussion makes the math significantly more difficult.
Suddenly, we’re asking the Indians to take on a horrific player who makes more than Wood. I thought that they were only considering ditching Wood in order to shed salary.
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It would be very nice.
The key (other than monetary and tradetary) is to not blind yourself by sentimentatily. I’d want Wood if it means a World Championship, not because I like the guy.
Is it April?
unfortunately you cannot guarantee a world championship with a trade
but what you can guarantee is a better arm in the bullpen, a great clubhouse leader, and a fan favorite. if you could do this at the cost of $5 million or so plus a couple of low level prospects, you go for it.
Bob Brenly on Leo Nunez "Dan Uggla just saved Nunez’ life because Koyie would break him into a million pieces"
I think it goes without saying
That I’d love this.
Won’t get my hopes up though.
Formerly known as cubstoseriesby100. Thanks Al for letting me change my outdated screenname.
It'd be fun, but the Cubs would have to give up too much.
The more money Cleveland picks up, the better the prospect the Cubs would have to give up, most likely. I’m not sure I like that scenario, just to bring back Kerry Wood for the next 2 years.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
Will Not Happen
A fan is much more likely to go see a game because Kerry Wood is pitching over Silva pitching. That guy has zero draw other than the series in Seattle. The Indians would never take on an Albatross when Wood isn’t one to them other than contract. He can still pitch.
"...but you the living, you're stuck here with the Cubs. So it is ME who feels sorry for you." - Steve Goodman, "A Dying Cub Fan's Last Request"
by HoSs. on Mar 9, 2010 12:38 PM CST via mobile reply actions
It would be a great "feel good" move going into the season.
But, like most here, I’m having a really hard time envisioning a feasible trade scenario for Woody. It’s seems highly doubtful that anyone in their right mind would trade for Carlos Silva unless Milton Bradley is involved. And I don’t see why the Indians would eat much of his deal unless the Cubs gave up a great prospect – which they shouldn’t.
I’m intrigued by this idea and kinda surprised it hasn’t come up sooner, but it seems out of reach.
If we wanted Wood, we should have made that the focus of the Bradley trade in the first place.
Obviously, we wouldn’t have gotten the $6M in salary relief, so we probably wouldn’t have gotten Byrd, though.
Bottom line – it’s going to take a couple of years for last offseason’s stinkbomb to wear off.
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interesting thought ...
but a third team would have been necessary. MB has already burned his Cleveland bridges.
Definitely.
But while Milton was an obviously toxic asset, Silva is just as obviously more toxic – hence the money we received back from SEA.
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We probably could
really use Wood but I don’t think Silva is done just yet. If you could get rid of Silva you are couting on Ted Lily to come back very quickly and then either Samarjza or Gorzy have to step up. Risky even if it does happen.
by Cubsfan Waveland on Mar 9, 2010 12:39 PM CST reply actions
If Silva throws a pitch in anger for the Cubs this year, it's incredibly risky to begin with.
We are talking about the worst pitcher in the major leagues. Literally anyone would be a better choice to replace Lilly in the early going.
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Wood wasn't very good last year.
He was worth about $8M less than he would pay. So offer them a marginal prospect for Wood + $8M and call it a day. Wood would only cost you $2M (though remember that Guzman’s salary is wiped off the books so the opportunity cost is less than that).
Anything more than that wouldn’t really be worth it, and you should really only do this if you’ve determined that guys like Frasor and Bell are unavailable / too expensive.
And the Indians woud to this why?
To make Cub fans feel warm & fuzzy?
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Mar 9, 2010 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
Well, we're all about
warm and fuzzy.
I’m not seeing this happening, and it’s probably for the better.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Mar 9, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
But Al and others think the Indians would eat the majority of ten million dollar contract
Which is silly. They would “give” Woods back to the Cubs for saving 2 million? I don’t think so.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Mar 9, 2010 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
Woods. Tiger Woods.
Shaken not stirred. And clubbed with a 7-iron.
"Look, what do you want me to do?"
I saw Kerry Woods at Soldiers Field once
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
by lostinthevines on Mar 9, 2010 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
they would need at least $5-6 mil to make it worth it to them...
Bob Brenly on Leo Nunez "Dan Uggla just saved Nunez’ life because Koyie would break him into a million pieces"
This isn't rocket science.
Kerry Wood has one of the most expensive contracts on the Indians, a team that has shed $20 or 30M in payroll this year from last.
He has a very expensive option for 2011 that kicks in if he closes 55 games, a risk that I’m sure they would love to get rid of.
The Iowa Cubs probably have more of a chance of winning the 2010 MLB Wolrd Series than the Indians do – so the idea that they need or want a $10M closer is ludicrous.
The one unknown is that his 2011 option may kick in automatically if traded, which would explain why he hasn’t been dumped yet.
This is a team that is counting pennies to stay afloat in a city that is tanking economically, and a roster that has no hope of contending for years. The real question is why wouldn’t they want to get rid of Wood. The only explanation is that a) he has a NTC or b) his option vests if traded.
He may be willing to decline either of those for the Cubs and the Cubs alone.
Is there $8 million left in the payroll for this year?
(Serious question: I’ve lost track of how much is left.)
I don't think there is.
Maybe by the trading deadline, but I don’t think there’s $8 million at the moment.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
The Indians are that stupid?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 9, 2010 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
One way to get an idea...
…is for someone to post a Fanpost or Fanshot over at the Indians SBN blog. I just joined, so I can’t.
That's not going to happen.
They aren’t in that bad of financial shape, and someone would definitely give them a better deal than “you save $2M”.
Heck, the Cubs got “you save $6M” for Milton Bradley, and he’s a pseudo-psychopath.
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This is a great test case for Ricketts,
Hendry can’t make this happen, it has to be Tom. Guzman’s injury could not be predicted and late inning bull pen was ify to begin with. If Tom wants to win in 2010 he makes this happen, if he has a longer term time horizon he lets Hendry and Cub fans squirm. I think if you are a “fan owner” , then Wood fits the scenario and you find a way to do it.
"The Cubs are due in sixty-two." - #14
Interesting theory.
But I don’t think Kerry Wood, even at his best, is going to add that many wins to the team’s total – especially as a reliever.
Maybe, but
doing nothing has to be worse, right? How many wins do you subtract if we do nothing? What does the intangible of having Wood in the bullpen do to the maturity and confidence of the younger guys?
"The Cubs are due in sixty-two." - #14
Let's hire him to be the bullpen coach then, and skip the paying him an assload of $ to pitch part of the deal.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 9, 2010 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
Obviously, he can still contribute and
address a glaring need. Whether he is worth the $ is arguable. Again, I view it as an ownership test case. If you think the team is close to making playoffs, you do it (or something else that addresses the need). If you think the team is not close, then you don’t do it.
"The Cubs are due in sixty-two." - #14
If you think the team is close...
you don’t need a reliever to put you over the top.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 9, 2010 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, bullpens have proven
to be not very important in past seasons.
"The Cubs are due in sixty-two." - #14
Devastating Analysis.
Bullpens = several pitchers
Kerry Wood = a single pitcher
your point = wtf
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 9, 2010 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
Not very constructive or appropriate, but
my point …
1. Wood would help bullpen.
2. Because of $ involved only Ricketts can make it happen.
3. It is only a move you make only if you think the team is real close.
4. Fits the scenario of what I think a “fans owner” would do.
Which is why I said it is interesting case for Ricketts.
"The Cubs are due in sixty-two." - #14
I disagree
with the contention that this is a test case. Regardless of whether the Cubs would increase payroll, the question is whether this is the right place to spend money.
For example, say Hendry was given an extra $15 million for payroll from Ricketts. Is this the right place to spend it. Hendry can’t spend the money here and come back mid-season looking for another increase in payroll.
It will be a lot of money to make this happen. I’m not sure it is the right place.
It's 10.5M,
and could possibly to negotiated down, but I agree with you freeing up dollars to be applied more generally would help. What struck the cord here is that it was Wood, and the potential appeal to fan owner.
"The Cubs are due in sixty-two." - #14
consructive response...
1. Wood has just as good a chance to hurt the bullpen as he does to help it.
2. Whatever $ is involved will be up to Cleveland…not Ricketts.
3. If you think the team is real close, you wouldn’t spend $8 million dollars on a setup guy the third week of ST.
4. If this is what a “fans owner” would do….we’re going to be screwed on the inverse of what we were under the TribCo/Zell ownership.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 9, 2010 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
I agree...
…and although I do feel the 7th and 8th innings sure look like an achilles heel on paper, it is early to take on considerable dough to address it.
There is a chance one (or two) of the young guys will rise up and fill this need, and you give it the first month of the season to see if that is the case.
Bringing Wood back would be partly to hopefully upgrade the bullpen, but there also would be a “feel good” piece to it as well – no question.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
In today's world...
…with starters not going deep in games, if you don’t have decent arms to get you to your closer, it can have a devastating effect on your chances.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
We got rid of Rich Harden. Remember?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 9, 2010 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
That helps...
….but there will still be plenty of games someone is going to have to pitch the 7th and 8th to get to your closer.
I’m not saying Wood is the end all be all, but if he is healthy, he would be an upgrade from what they have now.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
A lot of players would be upgrades
But there is a budget, too.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Mar 9, 2010 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly...
…thats why I said the only way this could happen is for Ricketts to make it happen.
In the end, it is highly unlikely.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Ok, I missed that - sorry
Because so many fans think that the team should spend regardless of a budget – I should’ve realized you were being realistic.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Mar 9, 2010 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
No, it doesn't have to be worse.
The Cubs have a ton of young arms in camp right now, any one of which could step up and surprise us. Andrew Cashner, for instance.
I already brought him back in my MLB the show franchise....just saying
oh yeah, and the Cubs went on to win the WS in 2010 too. asking for too much?
Bob Brenly on Leo Nunez "Dan Uggla just saved Nunez’ life because Koyie would break him into a million pieces"
Would be nice
to bolster the pen, but I just don’t see it happening. I’m curious, why would the Tribe want anything to do with Silva?
Chicago Cubs baseball is on the air...
so they could get rid of some of Wood's salary....
i would only see them taking him on in order to cut him…but we would paying most of his salary i figure…
Bob Brenly on Leo Nunez "Dan Uggla just saved Nunez’ life because Koyie would break him into a million pieces"
no, not most of Wood's
how much is Silva making? the cubs would make it so the Tribe saved like $5 million or so, and we would be adding $5 mil or so. if they were both making $10 mil (just a guess), we would be paying $15 mil of it….in my opinion
Bob Brenly on Leo Nunez "Dan Uggla just saved Nunez’ life because Koyie would break him into a million pieces"
Silva's on the hook for $11.5m this year, $11.5m next year, and a $2m buyout the year after that
However, we got cash back from Seattle ($9m) to compensate for that. So we’d ultimately need to be sending Cleveland Silva and about $20m in exchange for Wood.
That would ultimately leave us -Silva, -$5m, and +Wood
2:05
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
nooooooooo
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
Santo just said no rain on WGN
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
Was that a request or a statement?
The latest from Twitter:
@Haudricourt Brewers-Cubs won’t be starting on time, if it all. Still raining. Tarp on field. Fans finally finishing jamming through same exit.
thats what he said...maybe it was previously recorded interview
now they’re saying weather permitting……I’m so sad..havent seen a game yet
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
Well, here's some hope:
CarrieMuskat: Rain is delaying #brewers vs #cubs at HoHoKam but they’re going to try to get the game in. Forecast calls for clearing
thanks for that....gotta love me some hope!
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
or heard a game
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
that does make it seem
untenable.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Mar 9, 2010 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
You do realize that we're on the hook for the remaning $25m for Silva as it is
And have $9m in cash coming from Seattle split between this year and the next.
Sure, saying a $20m payment to the Indians seems like a big deal, but releasing Silva and kissing the majority of that $25m goodbye will be a bigger deal.
I see what you're saying...
…but this brings us back to the extreme unlikelihood that the Cleveland Indians would want Carlos Silva on their team.
Yup, it would basically come down to that
Silva certainly has a better shot of making their rotation than ours, but they have a lot of younger guys who are making a lot less and might prefer their chances with these guys rather than Silva.
This looks like a front load possibility -
Trade Silva for Wood 1 for 1 and include the $9M back from the Mariners.
Wood is owed 10.5M for 2010 and has a club option that vests at $11M for 2011 with 55 games finished. As a set up man early in the season, he won’t see 55.
Silva is owed 11.5M in 10 (Ms paying 4.5M), 11.5M in 11 (M’s paying 3.5M) and a $2M buyout for 2012.
Cubs are obligated to Silva for 14.5M and Indians Wood for 10.5M.
Let’s front load this B**ch!
may addition by subtraction be real
But why would it work for Cleveland?
Why would they want Carlos Silva? The only way I see this working is if the Cubs send a strong prospect with Silva …
The Indians get Wood and his $10.5m
and risk for 2011 off the books and save 4.5M this year. They also get whatever upside El Grande Silva may have.
If they’re truly considering releasing KW, it gives them a chance to not dump a full 10.5M. Why’d the Cubs take back Silva? To not be out the dough immeditely.
may addition by subtraction be real
Well of course it would.
Why not ask do a Soriano for Sizemore swap while you’re at it too?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
This is the really big sticking point.
If he was literally any other pitcher, I could maybe see this somehow working. But it’s Carlos Silva. It’s like offering someone $2500 for their car, and when they turn you down, saying “well, how about $2500 and this raging case of smallpox?” Silva doesn’t sweeten the deal – his presence in the deal makes the math significantly worse.
MLBMilestone.com - following the numbers to Cooperstown
I have to recuse myself from the Kerry Wood question
As I am blinded by my love for him as a player
Maybe the Cubs could swing a deal for Wood
if they pony up some additional money but I don’t see how Silva would fit into it.
Just to change the subject
and because I’m tired of Minor League prospect ranking fanposts. Kevin Goldstein ranked the Cubs as having the #8 farm system in baseball today.
Think of how high the ranking would be if he didn’t hate the Cubs! :-)
Bring Kerry Wood back?

There will be other RH relivers available later in the spring who will cost less $ and put up about the same level of production. It’s a PR move, not a baseball move.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 9, 2010 1:11 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
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by BleedsbluinMI on Mar 9, 2010 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
Not to piss in the Old Style, but
Is Kerry Wood any good (anymore)? It’s a real question – I’m not sure honestly.
Minnesota Twins
If I’m the Twins GM, I am giving the Indians a call. Its extremely likely that Joe Nathan is done for the season with a significant tear in his UCL. IMO that would be a pretty good fit (much as I’d like to see Wood back with the Cubs and believe that he could be a big help).
I was
thinking this exact same thing today. Just sux for the Twins that the best available closer happens to be on a team in the same division.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
I read
on ESPN news scroll over lunch that Nathan is going to rest for 2 weeks to see if the swelling subsides and then test his arm to see if he can pitch. If that session doesn’t go well, he’ll have surgery.
My question is, how can a pitcher even dream of being an effective pitcher with a torn elbow ligament? Is there something I am missing here?
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
Depends how much it is torn...
…there are a lot of guys that have thrown for years with partical tears.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I think the point is what does the 2 weeks hurt
if he is having season ending surgery. Might as well wait and see if there is any chance.
The two weeks
I believe that he’d have to wait the two weeks for the swelling to go down before surgery, anyways. Reading some of the articles out of the Twin Cities it sounds as though Nathan is pretty beside himself with this whole thing and its possible that once the dust settles, he’ll just opt for the surgery. But as has been said, he doesn’t have much to lose by delaying the surgery a few weeks.
Twins payroll is north of $99 million as of today.
Whatever move they have to make will come from within.
Twins cant risk Wood closing 55 games and triggering $11 MM in 2011
nor can any team. Any team that acquires Wood puts him in setup role, unless he completely dominates.
by holy mackeral on Mar 9, 2010 6:02 PM CST up reply actions
If I'm the Twins
I skip all thoughts of Wood and hone in on Heath Bell. The Twins are actually not in as good position as the Cubs to let their season ride on Kerry Wood.
"I'd rather hit home runs you don't have to run as hard." -- Dave Kingman
by BucknerKongCardenal on Mar 9, 2010 10:16 PM CST up reply actions
But how many guys ...
in the history of the sport have saved 55 games? Maybe four?
It's not saving 55 games.
It’s 55 “games finished” — meaning he’s the pitcher at the end of the game. Many closers do this — Wood had 56 GF for the Cubs in 2008.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Beat me by a minute
He also finished 50 games last year – and saved 20.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Mar 10, 2010 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
Point of clarification, Al.
I thought you were all about letting the young guys win bullpen spots — as opposed to going outside the team/system. Has that changed because of the Guzman injury, or are you willing to look elsewhere because Wood might be available?
Not Al, obviously...
But I don’t see these as mutually exclusive.
Even before Guzman went down, I was hoping the Cubs would pick up a veteran RH reliever - just to have some more experience
As it stands, there could be upwards of 3-4 rookies in the Cubs’ pen (Caridad, plus two or three apparently open spots). Even if you bring in ONE veteran reliever (Wood or someone else), that is still 2 or 3 rookies in the pen. To me, that is still “letting the kids play”.
I totally agree with you.
But Al and I disagreed last week about signing Calero (I advocated a non-guaranteed deal akin to what Calero got from the Mets). But Al argued that the kids should get a shot.
Mainly because Calero's injury history is almost as checkered as Guzman's.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
it was ...
a non-guaranteed contract, and only $850K if he made the team.
Don't use government math to make is appear that Wood is only going to cost us $2 million.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 9, 2010 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
There is a thunderstorm
in progress in Mesa right now. I would think today’s game is in serious jeopardy.
Anybody that thinks the Indians are going to swap Wood for Silva needs to put the kool aid down.
Cubs baseball is on the air!!!
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Rain, rain, go away and come back another day...
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the Cubbies want to play
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
First Pitch? Thread is live
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Kerry Wood
What Kerry can offer would really help this team. Has Hendry ever brought back anyone he let go or traded away? Kerry being back as a Cub would be nice both personally (since I am a fan) and professionally (because he can help this team in an area they need help in.
Question: Why would the Indians, or anybody, want Silva? While I don’t have a solid opinion of him yet, most are saying he is washed up. Why would a rebuilding team like the Indians be interested in him? If we traded for Kerry, I think it would have have to give up mostly prospects.
Pat Hughes is saying delay....here's hoping
" It’s spring fever - you don’t know what it is you want, but it fairly makes your heart ache, you want it so. "--Mark Twain
Somebody should remind Kerry that you can't go home again...
…especially after the season he had last year. Let’s not undermine Marmol the Closer just when he seems comfortable in what should be his natural role. Look to Caridad or Dolis to fill that all-important setup presence that Marmol established in 2007.
"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62
"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64
Not saying Wood will be back ...
but if Caridad and Dolis are our eighth-inning options from the right side, we’re in trouble.
Wasn't that the consensus on Marmol in early '07?
"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62
"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64
Yes, but the Cubs had Bob Howry ...
who was quite good in 2006 and 2007. So even if Marmol hadn’t been such a godsend, we had an established setup guy AND a decent closer (Dempster, at the time).
Oh, and Marmol through 77 innings in 2006. Caridad, meanwhile, has less than 20.
Kerry Wood more or less sucked in 2009
The past is the past. Kerry Wood is a swell guy, but will forever be defined as promised unfulfilled. Fortunately for him, he has carved out an okay major league career and has banked a lot of money. Too much money when his actual production and consistency of production is factored in.
I wish him well. I have a hunch 2010 will be his last year in the bigs. And I’m betting he will be okay with that too.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Crap, now we'll get him for sure...
and Hendry will give him an extra year player option.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 9, 2010 9:46 PM CST up reply actions
Don't forget...
…the no trade clause as well.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I finally read George Castle's article
And I have to say, it’s not up to his usual standards.
In a counterpoint to his own argument (props for stating both sides), he said Wood didn’t have a great 2008. An ERA+ of 141 begs to disagree.
And I think that he is still capable of closing – his post-ASG numbers in 2009 support that. Even if he isn’t, the message it would send to Marmol . . . and spending $10M on a reliever that isn’t the closer. This just doesn’t seem feasible.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Mar 10, 2010 10:27 AM CST reply actions

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