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BCB 2010 Community Projections: Starting Position Players

Thanks to everyone who submitted projections in the community projection series. For the starting eight position players, we had anywhere from 52 projections (Marlon Byrd) to 98 (Derrek Lee). There were enough to make the overall projections legitimate ones, and I don't think you'll find any of them way out of line.

The numbers you'll see after the jump were rounded up or down from what appeared the spreadsheet. In certain cases this might mean that some averaging numbers might be off by small amounts.

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Geovany Soto: .289/.365/.483 (.849 OPS) 464 AB, 64 runs, 132 hits, 26 doubles, 1 triple, 20 HR, 77 RBI, 56 BB, 96 K

Derrek Lee: .304/.384/.539 (.924 OPS) 549 AB, 92 runs, 166 hits, 35 doubles, 2 triples, 30 HR, 112 RBI, 72 BB, 111 K

Jeff Baker: .282/.345/.434 (.779 OPS) 381 AB, 57 runs, 108 hits, 21 doubles, 2 triples, 11 HR, 53 RBI, 38 BB, 73 K

Aramis Ramirez: .312/.386/.568 (.954 OPS) 540 AB, 92 runs, 167 hits, 35 doubles, 2 triples, 33 HR, 113 RBI, 66 BB, 83 K

Ryan Theriot: .291/.356/.378 (.735 OPS) 556 AB, 83 runs, 162 hits, 24 doubles, 5 triples, 5 HR, 48 RBI, 58 BB, 75 K. For double clutches, entries ranged from "3" to "infinity" to "every time" to "too many" to "4342455454155443554".

Alfonso Soriano: .282/.333/.517 (.851 OPS) 521 AB, 82 runs, 147 hits, 30 doubles, 3 triples, 29 HR, 90 RBI, 41 BB, 118 K. For outfield hops, entries ranged from "0" to "entirely too many" to "unknowable" to "54333123242321341".

Marlon Byrd: .286/.346/.461 (.807 OPS) 523 AB, 76 runs, 150 hits, 33 doubles, 3 triples, 18 HR, 79 RBI, 48 BB, 92 K

Kosuke Fukudome: .292/.395/.554 (.950 OPS) 430 AB, 71 runs, 120 hits, 27 doubles, 4 triples, 11 HR, 55 RBI, 74 BB, 78 K. For revolutions in batter's box (otherwise known as "helicopter swings"), entries ranged from "-13" to "0.75" to "10000000".

Other than Fukudome's SLG -- which I think is too high -- these averaged-out projections seem pretty realistic. If Soto, Ramirez and Soriano can meet them -- they're all coming off subpar years for various reasons -- and the rest can perform up to what are close to career averages, the Cubs will have a very good offense.

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If they all do this good I think my prediction for 103 wins is spot on…granted the kool-aid flows freely here

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by hansman1982 on Mar 9, 2010 8:15 AM CST reply actions  

Do you think any of those are way out of line?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 9, 2010 8:23 AM CST up reply actions  

absolutely not...

simply pointing out that if they all perform as such my prediction:

What will our record be? 103-59
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  This will be a FANTASTIC YEAR

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by hansman1982 on Mar 9, 2010 8:39 AM CST up reply actions  

I dont think any on their own are out of line, but to predict every player to meet those would be out of line.

I think those are the high sides for what all of those players are capable of, except for Fukudome, who will never slug .550.

by bdlugz on Mar 9, 2010 8:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Yup.

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by Ryno Runner on Mar 9, 2010 9:02 AM CST up reply actions  

It's hard to quibble

with people’s opinions, but I suspect that the power numbers are a bit high across the board.

by Damen Jackson on Mar 9, 2010 8:58 AM CST up reply actions  

All of those players...

… have had seasons in line with those power predictions in the past (excepting Fukudome).

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 9, 2010 9:00 AM CST up reply actions  

And fingers crossed that they will again...

Not trying to turn this into a debate, just responding to the question.

by Damen Jackson on Mar 9, 2010 9:02 AM CST up reply actions  

and most of the guys on the list ...

are in their 30s, some of them in their mid-30s. Some decline is natural.

by elgato on Mar 9, 2010 9:17 AM CST up reply actions  

I wasn't going to go there...

but since you mentioned, yeah, that’s a big reason. You take someone like Ramirez for example, who hasn’t slugged .568 in years, has been having a gradual decline in SLG for awhile now, and bring him off an season with an injured shoulder (his power was quite sporadic upon his return), and I don’t know how someone could have dreamed up that number.

And don’t get me started on Byrd. His home/road splits over the last few seasons should give people pause, to say the least.

It’s all just coffee talk so no biggie,but the projections look real hopeful, is all.

by Damen Jackson on Mar 9, 2010 9:34 AM CST up reply actions  

yeah ...

I get being optimistic about Soto, Baker and Theriot. They’re youngish players who could still be improving. And the Byrd numbers don’t throw me THAT much — maybe because I don’t know enough about him …

But to be so optimistic about Kosuke (don’t get me started) and Lee and Ramirez — both fine players who are getting older and whose best years are probably behind them — just doesn’t make a ton of sense. I don’t know how anyone can assume that Aramis will be the Aramis of 2006 — four years and a major shoulder injury later — and that Lee will essentially repeat his 2009. I’m hoping he just does better than his 2007 and 2008.

by elgato on Mar 9, 2010 9:41 AM CST up reply actions  

As a whole...

…I would say yes.

Some of these may come to pass, but if everybody on this list hit these numbers, the Cubs will clearly have the best offense in baseball and probably win 115 games.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Mar 9, 2010 10:05 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't get why you couldn't calculate Fukudome's swings if you had positive and negative numbers :)

That being said this was fun. Does it have any impact on the season? No. But I like doing this kind of stuff. It’d be great to do one for predicting divisions, winners, losers, WS, etc. Thanks to all who put this together. Can’t wait for the pitching

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by Musicdude10 on Mar 9, 2010 8:24 AM CST reply actions  

What this says to me about us

We are pretty realistic about Jeff Baker.
We are expecting Soriano to provide more offense than Byrd.
We are pretty optimistic, on the whole.

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by zambranofan on Mar 9, 2010 8:47 AM CST reply actions  

On the whole, I'd say Cubs fans are optimistic by nature.

And it’s reflected in these projections.

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by Trey2317 on Mar 9, 2010 9:48 AM CST up reply actions  

All of them seem pretty realistic, other than Fuku's SLG which you pointed out.

Off-topic. Joe Nathan tore his ulnar collatleral ligament in his throwing arm. May be out for the season with Tommy John surgery. How huge would that be for the Twins… In a bad way of course

by ryanbaker08 on Mar 9, 2010 8:50 AM CST reply actions  

If this happens

We might want to get more aggressive in signing a bullpen pitcher because they will certainly be on the prowl. Names like Frasor and Wood have been cited as possibilities for them.

by ryanbaker08 on Mar 9, 2010 8:51 AM CST up reply actions  

The numbers look high to me ...

for Aramis and D-Lee. I’d guess Aramis misses too much time to reach those levels, and I’d guess that D-Lee will do something about halfway between his 2008 and his 2009. The others seem OK, though who the hell can tell with Soriano?

I hope I’m wrong on D-Lee and Aramis, of course.

by elgato on Mar 9, 2010 9:12 AM CST reply actions  

Take home message - the cynics are just louder..

Not, (contrarary to their view of themselves) more representative. I take great glee in the notion that certain BCB’ers read this and went into hysteric convulsions… Why to go, my fellow members of the “sunshine up the ass” brigade.

by DisCUBbobulated on Mar 9, 2010 9:13 AM CST reply actions  

holy optimism...

let’s just take a look at a couple comps, and i’ll keep it simple with OPS as the metric:

Player Career James Chone BCB
Derrek Lee .873 .894 .852 .924
Geovany Soto .809 .830 .816 .849
Aramis Ramirez .847 .878 .861 .954
Jeff Baker .782 .797 .741 .779
Ryan Theriot .726 .709 .715 .735
Alfonso Soriano .836 .807 .779 .851
Marlon Byrd .762 .778 .793 .807
Fukudome .767 .792 .769 .950

talk about kool-aid

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Mar 9, 2010 9:18 AM CST reply actions  

How has CHONE done in the past in relation to reality?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 9, 2010 9:19 AM CST up reply actions  

its considered

amongst the best along with ZIPS, PECOTA, etc. I’m not sure why you picked out CHONE from the group and wanted an explanation on it. If you’re really interested I’m sure you can google and read more to find out just how accurate.

But I used not only projection systems but the player’s actual career averages to make the point. In the cases of Fukudome, Lee, Ramirez, Soto, Theriot, Byrd, and Soriano the BCB projection is higher than two projection systems AND the player’s career averages. I think its safe to say that the community projections are on the high side

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Mar 9, 2010 9:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Because you specifically cited CHONE.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 9, 2010 9:53 AM CST up reply actions  

i cited CHONE, Bill James, Career averages, BCB projections

n/t

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Mar 9, 2010 9:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Noted.

Apart from Fukudome — who we already agree has a projection way too high — I don’t see any of those as being hugely out of line. Maybe Ramirez, but I’m guessing his James and CHONE numbers are lower because of last year.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 9, 2010 10:00 AM CST up reply actions  

as i said

7 of the 8 guys are all higher than all projection systems AND the players career averages

that would seem optimistic

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Mar 9, 2010 10:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Now the James numbers...

look a lot more like I expect to see from the team this season.

by Damen Jackson on Mar 9, 2010 9:20 AM CST up reply actions  

And I'd still be pretty darn happy if we got to those numbers, to be honest.

If your leadoff hitter is posting near .800 OPS, your 2nd hitter has a .350 OBP and your #3 and #4 hitters are looking to approach .900 OPS each, you’re going to be scoring some runs.

by bdlugz on Mar 9, 2010 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Yup.

Besides the goofy Kosuke number (which pretty much everybody agrees on), Ramirez and Lee projections from BCB seemed out of whack to me.

by elgato on Mar 9, 2010 9:22 AM CST up reply actions  

here are fantistics projections as well

Fantistics is the site i write for (Fantasy focused content)

the projections of the site have won battles against the elite projection systems as well (the link is a review of 2009 projection systems)

http://tinyurl.com/yeyl569

Derrek Lee – .902 OPS
Geovany Soto – .836 OPS
Aramis Ramirez – .869 OPS
Jeff Baker – .792 OPS
Ryan Theriot – .669 OPS
Alfonso Soriano – .825 OPS
Marlon Byrd – .755 OPS
Fukudome – .773 OPS

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Mar 9, 2010 9:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Whew...

Just out of curiosity, what is it that your projection system doesn’t like about Theriot this season?

by Damen Jackson on Mar 9, 2010 9:35 AM CST up reply actions  

the extreme dip in plate discipline

Theriot went from a 1 BB per K guy to a .55 BB/K guy last year. Deterioration in EYE (BB/K) can often be an indicator of an eroding skillset

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Mar 9, 2010 9:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Interesting...

I suspect (hope) the drop in walks was due to a power experiment that I trust he’s leaving behind, but I guess I can understand the concern.

by Damen Jackson on Mar 9, 2010 9:57 AM CST up reply actions  

at the end of the day

its a projection system, so taking into account the qualitative factor of a power experiment isn’t something its doing

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Mar 9, 2010 10:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Adding your numbers to the table you made above:

Player Career James Chone BCB Fantistics
Derrek Lee .873 .894 .852 .924 .902 – higher than all three
Geovany Soto .809 .830 .816 .849 .836 – higher than all three
Aramis Ramirez .847 .878 .861 .954 .869 – higher than all but James
Jeff Baker .782 .797 .741 .779 .792 – higher than all but James
Ryan Theriot .726 .709 .715 .735 .669 – lower than all three
Alfonso Soriano .836 .807 .779 .851 .825 – higher than all but James, including BCB
Marlon Byrd .762 .778 .793 .807 .755 – lower than all three
Fukudome .767 .792 .769 .950 .773 – higher than all but Chone

I don’t really disagree that the BCB numbers are likely a bit optimistic – frankly I would hope that Cub fans would be more positive on Cub players than computer projection systems.

However, it should be pointed out that your system isn’t really all that different than the BCB projections with the exceptions of Byrd and Theriot, who, it could be argued that your system is likely too negative on based on the same logic that the BCB projections are too positive on the rest of the players.

In the end, it is likely that some players will have much better years than we are expecting (Lee 2009) some far weaker years (Soriano 2009). The hope is that the happy surprises will out weigh the not so happy surprises.

Eamus Ursuli!

by WGNstatic on Mar 9, 2010 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

thanks

I think the magnitude of the difference is worth noting.

Also of note (its not my system, Anthony Perri is the statistician on the site, he deserves all the credit)

But getting back to my point the magnitude of the difference is important, for example:

You note Fantistics is higher than all three on DLee and Soto, but the difference between the Fantistics projection and the highest other system is .008 for Lee, and .006 for Soto.

The difference between Fantistics and BCB is .022 and .013 for both, so we’re talking about the BCB projections being significantly far off even the most optimistic projection system (in this case Fantistics for those two players)

Also worth noting, the range of opinions, delving from low to high. For the BCB opinions they’re all high (except for Baker). That’s why there’s a big difference. BCB is wildly optimistic on almost every player. Fantistics might be optimistic on some players compared to the other projection systems, but the range is much tighter.

To put things into context:

Projection systems Range – then BCB

Lee (.852-.902) – BCB = .924
Soto (.816-.836) – BCB = .849
Ramirez (.861-.878) – BCB = .954
Baker (.741-.797) – BCB = .779
Theriot (.669-.715) – BCB = .735
Soriano (.779-.825) – BCB = .851
Byrd (.755-.793) – BCB = .807
Fukudome (.769-.792) = .950

Looking at that i’d say BCB is wildly optimistic on Fukudome, Ramirez, Lee, Soriano; modestly optimistic on Soto, Theriot, Byrd, and near consensus on Baker.

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Mar 9, 2010 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Kool-aid indeed

I thought that my projections were optimistic, until I saw the averages.

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by Shanghai Badger on Mar 9, 2010 10:10 AM CST up reply actions  

it’s gonna be awesome when they live up to these expectations.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 9, 2010 9:23 AM CST reply actions  

$1,000 says ...

that at least some of them won’t. Sorry, if I missed sarcasm in your post.

by elgato on Mar 9, 2010 9:24 AM CST up reply actions  

oh

of course some of them won’t. But if HALF of them do… We’re in for a good season.

I expect Dome to do better. When I wrote my projections I tried to be somewhat realistic, but decided that most of these guys would do better than 2009, and not as good as 2008. Lee, obviously, was one exception, as was Wells.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 9, 2010 10:11 AM CST up reply actions  

I believe in Wells.

Everybody EXPECTS a sophomore slump, but i think he’s worth the benefit of the doubt. He pitched to ground balls, which works in Wrigley. He’s got great control, and if he did any work on his change-up this winter, he should do better against lefties.

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by AndrewJStone on Mar 9, 2010 10:46 AM CST up reply actions  

I believe in Wells too.

I think he’s going to do well. Even if he regresses a little bit, he’s still a very good pitcher.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 9, 2010 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

How much of a difference

do y’all think Byrd will make on the clubhouse vibe compared to HWSNBN. Obviously it’s going to be way better, but how will that affect the numbers? Plus with Soto having lost weight and right now looking good at the plate (I know it’s still early) he could be in line for a big year. And Lee had like a 1.024 OPS last year since his wrist is finally fully healed. I guess my point in this is to say that I think having a better clubhouse vibe will result in everyone’s numbers going up. Granted I’m an optimistic person, but other than Fukudome, these numbers seems possible.

by portlandcubfan on Mar 9, 2010 9:40 AM CST reply actions  

Well,

I suspect that the Cubs will enjoy a better clubhouse environment, and possibly a better on-field product. I’ve concerns about whether that translates into a real winner, but I do expect Byrd to fit in better here, and he shouldn’t have a problem replicating B#!#y’s offensive production.

by Damen Jackson on Mar 9, 2010 9:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Just a few little things that Byrd is doing

Telling pitchers they are tipping certain pitches, helping promote Jaramillo, I think they will add up

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by Musicdude10 on Mar 9, 2010 9:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Lee had his second best season with MB around.

Kosuke improved on his rookie season, and MB was around. MB had nothing to do with the injuries to Aramis or Soriano. Baker was very good when MB was around. MB didn’t cause Soto to get fat. Maybe sharing a locker with MB affected Theriot … ?

The best thing about Byrd replacing MB is that Byrd could very easily put up better numbers (compared with MB’s 2009) and could be the No. 5 hitter that MB really couldn’t be. Also, Byrd allows Kosuke to move to right, improving the whole team’s defense.

I’m not totally discounting chemistry, and I’m glad MB’s gone. But to think that Byrd’s presence will make the rest of the starting seven perform better — keeping in mind the reasons they didn’t perform up to our expectations last year — is just wrong.

by elgato on Mar 9, 2010 9:49 AM CST up reply actions  

I know

that Ramirez being injured, Soto showing up fat and out of shape, and other things that happened had nothing to do with MB’s presence. I was alluding more to the idea that when there’s good chemistry within the team, results on the field can improve. Not that it’s guaranteed to, but I remember there being a Muscat interview on MLB.com that described MB’s being sent home being celebrated as if the team just won the series. That kind of a clubhouse demeanor can bring down the team as a whole. That’s why I think the changes this offseason will result in better numbers, because guys will be excited to play everyday and to put in the work they need to. Plus the sting of how bad they were will be more motivation, as already seen with Soto.

by portlandcubfan on Mar 9, 2010 10:01 AM CST up reply actions  

I understand.

But you asked how Byrd replacing MB will affect “the numbers.” As for other players, I don’t see it affecting them at all, for the reasons I stated.

That said, I think Byrd will put up better numbers than MB would have in Chicago. That’s not to say Byrd is a better player in a vacuum, but in that environment, he most definitely is.

by elgato on Mar 9, 2010 10:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Man this would be great...

But I don’t think it’s gonna happen, especially not for Soriano – not this year. I think those numbers are a little too high. According to that we’re going to get 617 runs from those guys… the whole team (32 players who scores runs) in 2008 only scored 855, and that year was an offensive EXPLOSION if you recall… oh and 103 of those came from MARK DEROSA. I highly that with 25% of the players we’ll score 72% of those runs. I dunno guys, maybe it’s just the realist in me, but I’m just not 100% confident (yet) that our boys will live up to these expectations… it would be nice, though.

by lswaidz on Mar 9, 2010 9:46 AM CST reply actions  

OK, let's look at that.

These are eight players. They are projected to have 3964 at-bats. The average NL team last year had 5493 at-bats. So, the projected total for these eight players is 72.2% of the total AB based on that average. That sounds about right to me, given the number of AB given to backups, PH, pitchers, etc.

That would project, oddly enough, to 855 runs again. Granted, that’s a lot of runs. Is this team capable of that? Maybe.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 9, 2010 9:58 AM CST up reply actions  

To be honest...

After what I’ve seen in the few games so far… maybe they can do it… we’re averaging about 7.5 runs per game right now (small sample, I know… shhhh) and that would average out to only 1,215 for the full season. You know what the amazing thing is? That wouldn’t be a Major League record… man I love this game sometimes :-)

by lswaidz on Mar 9, 2010 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

I think

these are extremely optimistic but I have no problem with that. Like its been said, most have put up numbers like that at some point. I just don’t think all of them are going to have huge years the same year.

What I find out of line is Soriano’s AVG of .282. I don’t think he’ll come within 20 points of that.
I also find his RBI total to be high, as well as Kosuke’s AVG. No way he jumps 40 points in average.

Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.

by TCobb1911 on Mar 9, 2010 10:10 AM CST reply actions  

Soriano's lifetime average is .278.

Before last year’s poor performance, it was .282.

So why would you say he couldn’t come within 20 points of that?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 9, 2010 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not saying he can't.

Anything is possible. I could become the richest man in the world, but it isn’t likely to happen. Given last year and what seems to me to be a certain stubbornness about changing his ways, I don’t see anything close to his lifetime norms. Players regress Al. As you know lifetime stats aren’t always indicative as to what they’re going to do. He certainly could hit that well and maybe “not coming within 20 points of that” is a stretch on my part, but he’s never had a year like last year. We don’t know how he handles situations like that. I just don’t think he’s going to be close to the guy he’s ever been.

Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.

by TCobb1911 on Mar 9, 2010 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

I respectfully disagree with you...

… given that we now know Soriano played most of 2009 injured.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 9, 2010 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

And I hope like hell you're right, and I'm dead wrong!

Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.

by TCobb1911 on Mar 9, 2010 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Fukudome may be high as well, but you need to remember he was a career .305 hitter in Japan

There is no reason, with proper work, he cannot hit .280-.290 in the majors. Not that i’m saying it will happen this year, but it wouldnt be a complete shock either.

by bdlugz on Mar 9, 2010 10:40 AM CST up reply actions  

No reason?

Well, he hasn’t come close in two full years with the Cubs and he’s getting older.

by elgato on Mar 9, 2010 10:41 AM CST up reply actions  

It's pretty common for it to take a couple of years for players to adjust to new conditions

It can’t be easy moving from Japan to a country you don’t know, with a language you don’t speak, etc.

It is also stated that Fukudome has received nowhere near the number of swings he did in Japan. We’ll have to see how he does in his 3rd year, but I wouldn’t be shocked by a big improvement.

by bdlugz on Mar 9, 2010 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

OK, but you said "no reason"

There are many reasons to be pessimistic about Kosuke. There are reasons to be optimistic, too. I happen to think there are more reasons to be pessimistic about a guy who has disappointed in his first two years with the Cubs and who has NOT shown the endurance to hit well through a whole season.

by elgato on Mar 9, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't

care is he hi .700 in Japan. He hasn’t shown anything close to being able to hit.280 much less .290 in the MLB.

Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.

by TCobb1911 on Mar 9, 2010 10:53 AM CST up reply actions  

When is the last time...

…the Cubs had 4 different players who totaled 400 RBI’s amongst them?

I’d love to see that type of run production, but it’s a tad high.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Mar 9, 2010 10:16 AM CST reply actions  

The 2008 Cubs had 374 RBI from 4 players.

I haven’t dug too deeply into past teams, but that’s the closest I’ve found for recent Cubs’ teams.

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by Trey2317 on Mar 9, 2010 10:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Ok.

….I’ll bet the RBI total for Lee, Soriano, Soto and Ramirez is much closer to 300 than 400. Also, if one of these guys goes down (or has a crappy year), their total could be under 300.

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by MPH73 on Mar 9, 2010 10:25 AM CST up reply actions  

the 1998 Cubs actually pulled off the 4/400 feat

Of course, it took Sosa’s 158 RBI to really help.

But I could see the Lee, Soriano, Ramirez, Soto numbers closer to 300. But toss in Nady, and I think there is the potential to approach, if not exceed 400.

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by Trey2317 on Mar 9, 2010 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Adding a fifth player...

…is a whole different scenerio.

Remember one thing, if these guys are going to get all these RBI’s, somebody better be getting on base with regularity in front of them. I recall Lee’s killer year in 2005 – I believe he had 46 dings and hit around .320 and he could only milk 106 RBI’s out of that.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Mar 9, 2010 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Very true, on both counts.

I think Fukudome can be that consistent on-base player, if he isn’t getting yanked around in the lineup and trying to fill that RBI role.

And if Theriot returns to an on-base machine, instead of trying to hit 7 homers a year, it has the potential to be a nice 1-2 in front of the RBI guys.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Mar 9, 2010 10:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Did you do this last year?

If so, what were the results? Just curious how close this could be to reality. Oh and please answer in English please. I don’t speak stat.

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by katie casey on Mar 9, 2010 10:18 AM CST reply actions  

Last year...

… Colin Wyers did spreadsheets for a number of Cubs blogs. I never did get the results from him, though.

We did this in 2008 — you can search the site for those.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 9, 2010 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

I also think

Theriot’s HR total is too high…

Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.

by TCobb1911 on Mar 9, 2010 10:18 AM CST reply actions  

What will be interesting...

is to look back at these numbers in the fall, compare them to the end result
and see just how on target or delusional we are…

- Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
- Germans?
- Forget it, he's rolling.

by Endrick on Mar 9, 2010 10:21 AM CST reply actions  

I agree.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Mar 9, 2010 10:26 AM CST up reply actions  

We're gonna be bad this year.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Mar 9, 2010 10:26 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

No soup for you...

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 9, 2010 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

When I tabulated the #'s from the raw spreadsheets, I suddenly realized we're all idiots.

There’s no way in hell these # are realistic. Shave off %10 from every number and I could buy it….maybe.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 9, 2010 10:53 AM CST reply actions  

You either...

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 9, 2010 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

SWL

Agree. Sure, each of these players has performed close to these projections in a season during their career, but to expect ALL of them to all perform at their peak level during the same year?! Highly unlikely.

I’d expect something more like shaving 10% off the total projections of runs scored, plus winning alot of close games which will give the players more confidence moving on in the year, and for the injury bug to hit other contenders. Given the talent and age of this team, that is the more likely situation that will bring the dream season we hope for.

"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett

by The Ryno and I Know on Mar 9, 2010 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

All or some?

Is this a situation where the bulk of the contributors were placing their numbers this high or were there a handful of goofball people spiking the numbers higher with very unrealistic projections? If one were to strip off the top 3-4 and bottom 3-4 projections for each player, do you think the averages would be at the same spot? All I know is that I felt I was being a bit optimistic in my contributions, but typically projected numbers below these averages (especially for BA, where there is a 0% chance that the entire starting lineup will hit .282 or better).

by Qixotl on Mar 9, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

I was wondering the same thing

Although I don’t think it would affect the outcome by enough to make these numbers seem more realistic. How hard is it to strip off the top/bottom few projections from each stat for each player?

by madcow256 on Mar 9, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Couldn't Dome helicopter swings have been 12π or something like that?

Did anyone use π in their projections for him?

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 9, 2010 11:23 AM CST reply actions  

I'd be mighty happy if these predictions come true

Mighty mighty happy…

Wait a minute... who am I here?

by malicedoom on Mar 9, 2010 11:25 AM CST reply actions  

So I am assuming that since you have

Jeff Baker up, this means that you’re picking him to be more of a starter at 2nd than Fontenot? I really would like that if that did happen. Baker hit over .300 since he came over from Colorado last year, and I think it’s possible to happen again. I think everything is realistic. I am predicting that Byrd will be right up there with D Lee in the homerun count, and I do not think Soriano will have over 30 HRs. I’m looking forward to seeing what was picked on pitching!

by alabamacubbie on Mar 9, 2010 11:55 AM CST reply actions  

That's good,

I’m glad you did that. Maybe Lou is looking at these posts.

by alabamacubbie on Mar 9, 2010 11:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Did you just average the statistical numbers....

instead of recalculating them based off the projected raw hits, abs, etc?

one example:

Kosuke:
120 hits/430 abs = .279 BA not .292
(120 hits + 74 walks)/(430 abs + 74 walks) = .385 OBA not .395
and from numbers above a .437 SLG and not .554

That’s an OPS of .822 and not .949

by Dave86 on Mar 9, 2010 2:54 PM CST reply actions  

Yes, and now that you've broght this to my attention...

I feel kinda dumb. I’ll send Al an updated spreadsheet, this is what I get for waiting until after 1am to work on it.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 9, 2010 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I will post the corrected numbers tomorrow morning.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Mar 9, 2010 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

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