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Book Review: "Traded: Inside The Most Lopsided Trades In Baseball History"

You're a Cubs fan. You look at the title of this book and you say, "I know what the most lopsided one was -- Brock for Broglio".

If you're saying that, at least by the measure Doug Decatur uses (Bill James' Win Shares), you'd be wrong. In Decatur's new book, "Traded: Inside The Most Lopsided Trades In Baseball History", Brock-for-Broglio doesn't rank in the top 300 such trades. It is, however, the one that got the Cardinals the most Win Shares of any deal in St. Louis history. As much as Cubs management has been criticized over the decades for making bad deals, the Cubs rank 12th overall in getting value out of these types of trades -- the Cardinals 24th.

This is just one of the fascinating things I learned from reading this book; there are, in fact, two deals the Cubs have made in the last 30 years that rank in the top 20 of most lopsided deals based on future Win Shares (and one really bad one that ranks in the top ten).

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The top 300 lopsided deals of the 20th Century are ranked -- and it is, in fact, "20th Century" only; nothing after 1999 is listed, because there's not enough future Win Share value in post-1999 deals to make any such ranking meaningful.

Then, Decatur ranks all 30 current teams by net Win Shares gained -- in other words, adding up all positive Win Shares acquired by trade, subtracting all negative such totals, and arriving at what he terms "Net Future Win Shares". You'll likely be surprised by the team rankings; in each team chapter he details the best and worst such transactions in club history. You likely won't be surprised by the rankings in the Cubs chapter.

I have only one nitpicky complaint with this book -- whether by design or accident, each franchise is referred to throughout by its current location and nickname. It was rather jarring, when looking down the top 300 list, to see that Moises Alou was traded from the Pirates to the Nationals in 1990, that the Rangers got Claude Osteen from the Reds in 1961, and that the Twins acquired Mickey Vernon from the Indians in 1950 -- long before the Nats, Twins or Rangers moved to their current cities.

That's just a nitpick, though, as I said. This book was fascinating in its choice of topic, and, as in all such writing that involves rankings, creates controversy and useful topics for discussion. Full disclosure: I received a review copy of this book from the publisher.

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Didn’t the Cubs get Mordecai Brown from St.L. for virtually nothing? I seem to recall they gave a pitcher named Taylor for him & got him back within a year, so that St.L. wound up with nothing to show for Brown.

"It's a funny old world. Man's lucky if he gets out of it alive." W.C. Fields

by KedzieKid on Apr 13, 2010 3:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Cubs traded

Jack Taylor and Larry McLean for Brown. Taylor actually pitched two and a half seasons for the Cardinals before returning to the Cubs.

Taylor was a decent pitcher, but the Cardinals had no offense so his record in those two seasons was 43-49. Back then, nobody looked at anything other than W-L record for pitchers. He did win 20 his first season in St. Louis, but he lost 19. (That season, the Cards actually had a league average offense.)

McLean was actually a decent player too, but he wasn’t for the Cardinals, who released him. The Reds signed him out of the PCL a year later. Kind of like getting Roy Halladay for Mike Fontenot and Randy Wells.

It’s an overstatement to say the Cubs got Brown for “nothing” but they sure didn’t pay a lot for him though.

I never travel far without a little Big Star. R.I.P Alex

by Josh Timmers on Apr 13, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

From the book.

That deal ranks as only the 12th most lopsided (in favor of the Cubs) in Cubs history.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Apr 13, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow

I’ve got to check that book out. Didn’t realize they had made that many great deals.

"It's a funny old world. Man's lucky if he gets out of it alive." W.C. Fields

by KedzieKid on Apr 13, 2010 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

im really curious what number 1 is

especially since it’s not covering the 21st century

---AC 00 00 00 - Believe

by mjk83 on Apr 13, 2010 4:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Could you name the deals you ref'd in this graph, Al?

“This is just one of the fascinating things I learned from reading this book; there are, in fact, two deals the Cubs have made in the last 30 years that rank in the top 20 of most lopsided deals based on future Win Shares (and one really bad one that ranks in the top ten).”

by elgato on Apr 13, 2010 4:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh, interesting ...

I forget about Palmeiro because he was a Cub RIGHT before I really started following the team. But you’re probably right …

by elgato on Apr 13, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

That wasn't the trade

It was (leaving out minor leaguers) Rafael Palmeiro and Jamie Moyer for Mitch Williams, Curt Wilkerson, Paul Kilgus and Steve Wilson. DiPino and Pico had no part of it.

Of course, adding Moyer to the trade only makes it worse, although Moyer was terrible until 1993. Texas eventually just released him and the Cubs re-signed him, although he didn’t make it out of spring training.

I guess the only part of that trade that was good long term was Wilson, who’s now our Far East Scouting coordinator and signed Hak-Ju Lee for us.

I never travel far without a little Big Star. R.I.P Alex

by Josh Timmers on Apr 13, 2010 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Palmeiro deal was one of the really bad ones.

The Sandberg deal was one of the best. The Sosa deal does rank up there, but there’s another one — many years earlier — that you are all forgetting about.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Apr 13, 2010 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Does it involve "Pete" Alexander?

"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella

by tripdenten on Apr 13, 2010 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Never mind,

I read below…

"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella

by tripdenten on Apr 13, 2010 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

My guess would be Bowa for Dejesus as one, this deal also had a minor league thrown in Dallas Green wanted some kid named Ryne Sandberg

Ryno, well who needs to comment on his Legacy, Bowa paid off big dividends in being a key to winning the NL East in 1984. Dejesus basically fizzled away in Philly, never hitting above .257 and becoming a journeyman in his last four years, playing for 4 teams.

Sosa for George Bell has to be the second. Sosa until the “Implosion” no real need to comment what he did “for” the Cubs from 1992-2004 (Controversy aside after the fact, he was the face of the Cubs for a good while). George Bell was Dawson’s counterpart for MVP in 1987, but only lasted two seasons on the Southside before it all was over for him with a .255 AVG the best, though he was part of the 1993 CHW Western Division Crown.

As for the Palmeiro/Moyer/Williams deal, I put it no higher than 3rd for a few reasons.

Williams WAS the anchor in closing out the 1989 NL East season, and also went on to help the 1993 Phillies to the WS (though Carter destroyed that whole season for him with one swing)

Palmeiro was immediately replaced by some Rookie named Mark Grace, who really helped mitigate the loss of power, with the best bat of the 1990’s

Moyer (Dang this guy is STILL playing!)was not the guy we started seeing 15-16 years ago. He was still a good 4-5 years away from being a good pitcher. Also Greg Maddux seemed to do at least an okay job filling the spot he left open.

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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Apr 13, 2010 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Palmiero-Williams

I’ve never thought that trade was as lopsided as many have. As was just said, Williams was the best reliever in the Cubs ‘pen in 1989, and I don’t know they win that pennant without him. And I think it’s obvious that Palmiero’s numbers wouldn’t have been so impressive had he stayed in Chicago—his power numbers never really took off (30s-40s HRs a year) until 1992, his first year with Jose Canseco. Coincidence? Guessing that’s doubtful…

by cubfanandy on Apr 14, 2010 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not that we've done anything *real* since 2003

but the Ramirez trade steal was pretty damn lopsided.

Hope springs eternal: Cubs in 2010!

by neverAcquiesce on Apr 13, 2010 5:07 PM CDT reply actions  

The best Two since 2000 I would put like this

The best for the Cubs being Ramirez and Kenny Lofton for Jose Hernandez, Matt Bruback and Bobby Hill.
A-Ram was money for the 2003 season, also hitting that NLCS Game 2 GS, since then other than injuries, he has not stopped, and is still one of the more feared hitters for power or just average in the league. Lofton was a crucial getting the Cubs the NL Central Title and getting the Cubs to game 7 of the NLCS. How many times did he bunt walk or somehow get on first in the 1st, steal second and score for a quick Cubs lead? Hernandez made a brief return to the Cubs, before once again being dealt to PIT, was pretty much a journeyman after leaving the Cubs, both times, Bruback…who???, Bobby Hill did okay for the Pirates, but the pirate needed only 21-22 other okay-good players on their team in his tenure and they would have been contenders for the Wild Card!

Derek Lee for Hee Seop Choi. D-Lee has been the man since 2004. Winning a batting title AND hitting for power. He is one of the best defensive 1B in the game, and was instrumental in 2007 & 2008, and still is today in 2010. Hee Seop Choi, well when was the last time you heard of him?

"SQUIRREL"
Get off my Land!
ART.I§8-11; AM I-XXVII

by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Apr 13, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hee Seop Choi

Last I heard, he was back playing in Korea.

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Apr 13, 2010 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I SO have to

get a copy of this book!

"I lof to hit de home ron!"

by Tekboy on Apr 13, 2010 7:12 PM CDT reply actions  

The one I always thought was bad..

Lee Smith for Al Nipper and Calvin Schiraldi..

The steal has been Ramirez..

my 2 cents

The journey is the reward!

by wicubfan on Apr 13, 2010 7:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Absolutely the worst in Cubs history

It left a hole in the pen that led to the Palmeiro for Mitch Williams trade a year later. So in effect we traded Smith, Moyer, and Palmeiro for Mitch and a bag of beans.

by Clark Addison on Apr 14, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fergie!

April 21st, 1966.

We have to demand more!

by copingwiththecubs on Apr 13, 2010 8:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Bingo.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Apr 13, 2010 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

New photo of you.

Grim determination? Not wearing a Cub hat?

One of Lee Elia's 15%

by waiting4cubs on Apr 13, 2010 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is a Cub hat.

It’s a Cubs 1908 World Series cap.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Apr 14, 2010 6:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Always ripping off the Phillies

I never travel far without a little Big Star. R.I.P Alex

by Josh Timmers on Apr 14, 2010 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Randy Hundley

Another guy the Cubs got for next to nothing.

"All I'm asking for is what I want." -- Ricky Henderson

by sweetswinger on Apr 13, 2010 9:47 PM CDT reply actions  

They got Bill Hands in that deal, too.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Apr 14, 2010 6:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hickman & Regan

For Jimmy Ellis & Ted Savage.

"It's a funny old world. Man's lucky if he gets out of it alive." W.C. Fields

by KedzieKid on Apr 14, 2010 8:02 AM CDT reply actions  

overlooked

A few good values, albeit brief ones, were Bob Buhl for Jack Curtis & McDaniel, Jackson & Schaefer (sp) for Altman Cardwell & Thacker.

"It's a funny old world. Man's lucky if he gets out of it alive." W.C. Fields

by KedzieKid on Apr 14, 2010 8:04 AM CDT reply actions  

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