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This should make the folks who don't like the AC sign happy.

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If everyone on BCB donates $10....

It’s totally doable!

"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck

by Musicdude10 on Apr 15, 2010 2:40 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm glad I did a search before I posted anything

Honestly if the cubs were smart they would a) buy it. b) lower prices on that rooftop c) slowly drive other rooftops out of business d)slowly buy up other rooftops. then they would have the all the space for offices they could need; they would get all the rooftop profits; and they could outfit one or more of the bulildings with a video replay board.

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by mjk83 on Apr 15, 2010 2:55 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

get Tom Ricketts on the line

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by razgriz23 on Apr 15, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is the predatory pricing only if they do the parts about the driving the rooftop prices down?

Are most other things fair game? Would zoning issues arise?

thanks for input, and agree this would make a good fanpost.

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by section229beer on Apr 15, 2010 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Most other things are fair game, yes

They can buy it and use it for a commercial purpose. But you can’t deliberately undercharge for the purpose of driving others out of business just so you can consolidate your control after they are gone. I have no idea about the zoning rules, but I would think there is likely to be an issue with a big flashing scoreboard aimed across the street as some have suggested, but you can always ask for a zoning variance (which the city would likely give if it meant fewer changes to Wrigley itself).

by Orval Overall on Apr 16, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

ok then

ignoring my obvious lack of business knowledge

I’d still like them to buy the rooftop.

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by mjk83 on Apr 16, 2010 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

LMAO

Under that scenario there is absolutely no chance of anyone winning an antitrust claim. The bar in predatory pricing claims is extraordinarily high and in a case like this, where real property is involved as well as entertainment services, and where many of the business owners would have a property worth considerably more than they paid for it even without the rooftop business, there is no chance a lawsuit like the one you suggest would succeed.

by Holtzmaniac on Apr 16, 2010 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Since this is a stupid theoretical discussion on a blog, I probably shouldn't indulge you, but...

I’m assuming your either a law student or a 1st to 3d year associate. No one who actually advises a client would say “go ahead and do it, its hard to prove what you’re doing is illegal.” Most companies try not to break the law, not just avoid getting caught breaking the law. But even if not, ultimate proof is rarely as big an issue as the ability to state a credible case and get past summary judgment. Once you’ve done that, a multi-million dollar claim, multipled by 3, plus attorneys fees = large enough settlement to make it a very bad day for most GCs and CFOs.

by Orval Overall on Apr 16, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you are as experienced as you imply

you should know that it’s silly to make assumptions about people you do not know.

This isn’t a case of advising a company to break the law, it’s about advising them how to get what they want without breaking the law. And given how difficult it is to prosecute an antitrust case generally, and in predatory pricing claims specifically, it would not be remotely difficult.

For example, if the Cubs were to purchase a piece of real property that includes a rooftop with a view inside their stadium, it would be very easy for them to legally package rooftop access to any number of additional products and/or services that they would easily and correctly show is actually in a different market from their neighbors even though the practical reality is that they would be undercutting the existing rooftop market.

by Holtzmaniac on Apr 19, 2010 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

me likey

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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 15, 2010 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is a bummer for me...

I know a lot of people hate the AC sign, but I’ve always wanted to see the day when it has all 0’s.

by Fonzie2178 on Apr 15, 2010 3:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Me too

Photoshop to the rescue? I don’t have a good picture of this

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by Musicdude10 on Apr 15, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

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by Fonzie2178 on Apr 15, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ahh

It’s so beautiful

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by Musicdude10 on Apr 15, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

It celebrates failure.

That was the point of that post.

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by Al Yellon on Apr 15, 2010 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll just cut and paste what I said the last time.

It reminds us of our recent success and to people like myself, a hopeful sign of what we can achieve one day. Honestly how many people go to Wrigley and don’t know about the 100 years?

It’s adds to the uniqueness of Wrigleyville and should stay.

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by cubswynn on Apr 15, 2010 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly my point.

Why do we need to remind them about the 100 years?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Apr 15, 2010 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

The biggest symbols in, on and around Wrigley

symbolize “the 100+ years”, not just the Anno Catuli sign.

ivy
scoreboard
marquee
bleachers
basket / catwalk
bullpens alone sidelines
true neighborhood location
tire / oil / beer sign on Sheffield bldg
no lights until ’88, still majority day games

With the exception of the ivy and scoreboard, no one item stands out by itself as a symbol of the Cubs and hence 100+ year futility, but packaged together we have whats still quite unique in all of MLB.

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by blackhawk24 on Apr 20, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

The ivy and scoreboard go back 80 years, not 100

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by Shanghai Badger on Apr 20, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's ridiculous ...

… amateurish, tacky, and should have been thrown out with the concrete slabs.

by bourbon_and_branch on Apr 15, 2010 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong,

I won’t be any less overjoyed when we win the World Series and there’s no sign to change. The Cubs winning is ALL I want… Maybe I allow that sign to have too much symbolism for me, but I still think it’s kinda cool, something you don’t see anywhere else. I’ll respectfully disagree that it “celebrates” failure, because the club’s goal was always for the sign to read all zeros.

by Fonzie2178 on Apr 15, 2010 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

True enough.

It was interesting and fun for a while. I guess after 2003, it started to lose that for me.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Apr 15, 2010 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep.

I’ll give you that one Al. I’d rather be punched in the face repeatedly than to have to relive the 2003 NLCS. :-) I understand how that could ruin it for you. Or anyone for that matter.

by Fonzie2178 on Apr 15, 2010 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

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by Shanghai Badger on Apr 16, 2010 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed as well.

I could do without it.

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by daver on Apr 16, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

This actually is

newsworthy for a FanPost.

I am wondering if the Cubs would be an immediate player for this asset? Considering the club is looking for more signage facing the seats, it would be a perfect match for a Jumbotron, etc., or whatever they could get through zoning.

Interesting…

by The E-Man on Apr 15, 2010 6:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, that is interesting, all right.

The Cubs could buy that and put the Toyota sign on it.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Apr 15, 2010 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think I would be, too.

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by Al Yellon on Apr 15, 2010 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

similar to the TORCO sign

I like the idea of the jumbotron there.

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by section229beer on Apr 15, 2010 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

wasn't the Torco sign on that building?

Don’t remember.

But buying THAT property and then charging rent wouldn’t be a profit for a while, so why bother when the profit is right there from day 1?

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by Gibbon Jockey on Apr 16, 2010 1:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Torco sign...

… was where the Miller Lite sign is now.

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by Al Yellon on Apr 16, 2010 6:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Given the amount of advertising that would seem to accompany a jumbotron these days...

if a jumbotron goes on a rooftop, I think it would have to be on one of the bigger buildings. A 3-flat building (like the LBC) just isn’t wide enough to hold what we’re used to seeing in other parks.

If it were only the jumbotron screen, i.e. no advertising, then maybe it would fit, but isn’t advertising revenue the primary benefit of such things?

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by ballhawk on Apr 16, 2010 2:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would think a "Jumbotron" at Wrigley

would draw a pretty decent ad revenue, regardless if it lives up to others’ distractatrons.

I’m with Shanghai below….

Jumbotron.

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by section229beer on Apr 16, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jumbotron

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Apr 16, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

If it were only the jumbotron screen, i.e. no advertising

Couldn’t you show “advertising” ON the “screen”?

by JohnM on Apr 16, 2010 9:05 AM CDT reply actions  

I would think so

they could use it as an electronic billboard when games are not being played.

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by gwood on Apr 16, 2010 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Do you have any idea how much electricity that would require?

It would be expensive and not exactly environment friendly.


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by eths on Apr 16, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

And, facing an empty stadium, would be pretty useless.

Advertising to no people doesn’t make much money.

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by Al Yellon on Apr 16, 2010 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Doesn't exactly promote goodwill with the neighbors, either.

Like an upstairs apartment neighbor who keeps his bedroom tv on 24/7. Grrrrrrrrrrr….

Come visit me inside Wrigley along the Addison side mezzanine fence straight up from 1st base.

by section229beer on Apr 16, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Far more important to consider

advertising to an empty stadium another 180-ish days a year than a few watts of power.

That is unless it can somehow be rotated to face SW and the corner of Addison/Sheffield.

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by blackhawk24 on Apr 20, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

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