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Cards the favorite?  Why?

Every columnist I see is picking the Cards to win the division.  Talking about what a great season they had last year.  Does anyone realize how lucky the Cardinals were last year and how unlikely it is that they repeat their success?  I'm not sure they are even a .500 team.

I'm not jealous that they are the consensus pick for No. 1 (it certainly didn't do the Cubs any good in 2009) but the lack of analysis in the 2009 Cardinals season is very odd.

Star-divide

Sure, the Cardinals have Chris Carpenter, Adam Wainwright.  One of the best 1-2s in 2009.  Matt Holliday and Albert Pujols?  One of the best 3-4 lineup duo in baseball in 2009.  Franklin?  Best closer in baseball.  But a repeat performance from this team?

The ever fragile Chris Carpenter is 35 and he had about 200 IPs in 2009 - 10x as many as he had in 2007 & 2008 combined.  2.24 thanks VERY much to just 7 HRs in 2009.  Last time he did that?  1997 where he pitched only 81 innings.  If he goes down, who starts pitching?  Kyle McClenan? Rich Hill? Bit of a drop off.

Adam Wainwright coming off a career high of almost 250 IPs.  Same prehpial stats like .BAA, BB:K ratio, and even a higher WHIP but an ERA .60 points lower than 2008, almost a full 1.00 ERA point lower in 2007.

Forget their stats though.  Just tell me quickly which pitchers in the last decade have finished back to back years with sub 3.00 ERAs? Can you name two established veterans who had career years and then topped those career years?  What about even came close to those career years? 

No. 3 Starter for 2010?  Brad Penny.  He could be a Duncan reclamation product.  I don't disagree with that but the bar is set pretty damn high.  Joel Pineiro gave 214 IPs of 3.49 ERA and 1.14 WHIP.  How high can Penny go?

Ryan Franklin - do we even need to discuss the 37 year old's luck?  The real Ryan Franklin stood up in September.  

Albert Pujols is the best player in baseball but can he improve on 47 HRs and 135 RBIs?  Again, the bar is set very high.  

Matt Holliday gave them 1.023 OPS ball.  How high can he go?

One of the best posts I read about the 2009 Cubs going into the season asked where the runs Edmonds and DeRosa produced in 2008 were going to come from.  I kind of laughed it off and didn't worry about it but that really did ring true in 2009.  You wonder if the Cardinals 'topped' out in 2009 and will be hard to repeat their success in 2010.  Maybe they will prove every statistical trend wrong and find a minor league system that is rated one of the worst in baseball to help out but I seem to be the only one suggesting that Cards might just be a house of that.

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Your not entirely off

in suggesting that there are valid questions with the Cards. I certainly don’t think they are the dominant squad that some have suggested. I think their bullpen is a big question. It goes beyond Franklin – I don’t love their setup options. With McClellan back in the pen, it does look better. As you note, there’s no certainty that 3-5 can match last year (Although I really like Jamie Garcia). And there are certainly health issues with Carpenter. The lineup needs Ludwick to be consistent. Add in a pretty bad system (although it could help with their pen), and the margin of error is rather thin.

All that said, I still picked the Cards in the Central. Whereas the Cubs were picked last year more because it seemed like we were the dominant club on paper, I picked the Cards this year more by default. The NL Central isn’t that strong, IMO. Would the Cubs making the playoffs surprise me? No. That said, it’s hard to make a case for us based on what we know right now, if I was being fair. I’m not in love with this Brewers squad – I think their lineup is rather limited and that their rotation is still pretty average. I like Houston a bit better than most (Wandy/Roy is real nice, I think back of the rotation will be better than people think), but that’s a streaky lineup and it’s easy to see their pitching struggle. The Pirates are in rebuild mode.

The Reds are the interesting one. For years, people have been waiting for them to step forth. I think they could be anywhere from flameout bad to real solid. They need their young players to finally step up … but if it does? Then it becomes very interesting. I’m not real sold on Drew Stubbs power, but if he becomes what people are expecting with Brett Jackson? Then that’s a loaded lineup that should be fairly solid defensively. If Homer Bailey/Johnny Cueto step up? Then the rotation looks solid. I’m not real sold all the pieces will come together, but it’s possible. Add in a system that can make some key moves if necessary.

That said, on paper, St. Louis still looks the safest club.

by toonsterwu on Apr 2, 2010 12:45 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Read your third paragraph above again.

You answered the question in that paragraph alone as to why the so-called experts are all picking the Cardinals in the NL Central. Quite simply, they view the Cards’ 1-2 starting pitchers, and their 3-4 hitters in the lineup, and their closer as being better than any of the other NL Central team’s. It’s really as simple as that.

Pre-season predictions are just that. Predictions. Meaning that if every player on every team in the league plays exactly how their track record in the past indicates they should play, and if every player in the league stays completely healthy, and if there are no surprises, no improvements or drop-offs from the previous year of any kind, then on paper, this is how the season should play out. When you consider that this is essentially what all pre-season predictions mean, and how ridiculous this scenario is, it’s easy to simply view pre-season predictions for what they really are: TV and radio air time that needs to be filled with a lot of words, and newspaper, magazine, and Internet space that needs to be filled with a lot of words. In other words, just go play ball, guys.

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by ctcoff99 on Apr 2, 2010 12:55 AM CDT reply actions  

I will agree with you on just about everything you said except one thing.

Their 3-4 hitters aren’t guaranteed better. I’d have no problem putting the Brewers 3-4 in there versus the Cards 3-4. Heck, it’d actually be a fun competition to watch. Personally, I view Holliday as the weakest of the 4 hitters. Gun to my head, I’d go…
1. Pujols
2. Braun
3. Fielder
4. Holliday
I’d say though, that Braun and Fielder are a bit closer to Pujols than to Holliday.

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by Beaushek on Apr 2, 2010 2:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Respectfully disagree

Holliday is a very good hitter. I spent some time watching him in Denver. He can carry a team for weeks in a very Lee-esque manner.

by cubsonWGN4ever on Apr 2, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Prognosticators love chalk.

The Cardinals are an easy pick, as were the Cubs in 2009. Two things to keep in mind. The Cards emptied their system in two separate trades in 2009. If seriously pushed by anyone in 2010, will they feel pushed to deal, say, Shelby Miller to get a 3B over Freese?

Yadi Molina is having ‘oblique’ issues. Can you say Geo Soto ‘09? If St. Louis has to play ’40-Man shuffle’ to cover behind the plate, their stranglehold on the division is lessened significantly.

Pushed for an NLC Champ this season, I’ll still go with St. Louis. Given the option of ‘Cardinals’ or ‘The Field’, I’d have to flip a coin.

by timh815 on Apr 2, 2010 1:35 AM CDT reply actions  

The Cardinals have real problems

but I could pick apart every team in the division even worse.

 The Cubs need big bounce backs from Soto and Soriano and healthy seasons from Ramirez and Lee to have a decent offense. They’re counting on Randy Wells to repeat his somewhat fluky 2009 and either Tom Gorzelanny or Carlos Silva to be decent. They also need Carlos Marmol to be both effective and healthy.

The Brewers have no starting pitching beyond Gallardo. They’re counting on Casey McGehee to repeat his somewhat fluky season. They’re counting on Rickie Weeks to stay healthy. They’ve got Carlos Gomez and Corey Hart in the outfield.

The Pirates are the Brewers minus Prince Fielder and Ryan Braun.

The Reds are counting on Dusty Baker not destroying their pitching staff. Beyond Votto and maybe Phillips, they’ve got a lot of question marks on offense.

The Astros just stink.

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by Josh Timmers on Apr 2, 2010 2:56 AM CDT reply actions  

Milwaukee may surprise..

Randy Wolf can be a decent starter, The key to their staff in my opinion is Doug Davis. Manny Parra could also be good if he gets his head on straight. Until Lilly gets back, I don’t see their rotation as all that much worse than the Cubs.

Agreed that relying on Weeks is questionable. I think Hart can be a player on the rise. McGehee is kind of like banking on Fontenot..we’ll see.

Zaun should be an upgrade on Kendall.

Their pen, I believe is better than the Cubs on paper. The Cubs have a potential to be better, but its hard to say with 3 rookies and a closer doing it for the first time over a full season.

The journey is the reward!

by wicubfan on Apr 2, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed that Kendall wasn't very good...

… but Zaun is 39. Not exactly the guy I’d want as my #1 catcher if I want to be a playoff contender.

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by Al Yellon on Apr 2, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

My point was

to rip apart every team in the division. I can also construct an argument where every team wins the division. I can even construct a scenario where Pittsburgh wins the division.

As far as the Brewers go, Corey Hart “can” be a player on the rise, but he’s 28 and he’s gotten worse the past two seasons. He was so bad in ST that he’s in danger of losing his starting job to Jim Edmonds. So while he can be a player on the rise, he can also be a player that plays himself into a release.

I like Alcides Escobar, but you’re always taking a risk when you hand over a starting job to a guy with no major league experience—especially when you don’t have a good backup.

But my point wasn’t that I think the Brewers are bad, because I don’t think that. My point is the Brewers have real problems, just like every other team in the division.

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by Josh Timmers on Apr 2, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

"I can even construct a scenario where Pittsburgh wins the division.

Not and be taken seriously

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by lookingdeadred on Apr 2, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Diamond Mind Baseball

ran 100 computer simulations of the 2010 season. The Pirates won the Central three times and finished in a tie for first once.

So they are about a 30-1 longshot, but they could do it.

If you have ESPN Insider, you can read about how the Pirates did it here.

I never travel far without a little Big Star. R.I.P Alex

by Josh Timmers on Apr 2, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Side note

I hate that they label ESPN Magazine stuff as “Insider” content, though I guess I understand why they do it.

But this simulation stuff was part of their baseball preview issue, which is, as they say, on newstands now.

And I will use that newstand availability justification to throw out there that the simulations had the Cubs winning the division 19 times and nabbing the wildcard another 3.5 times.

by fsuapollo on Apr 2, 2010 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

ZiPS wasn’t crazy about the existence of Samardzija or Silva.

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by D.Szymborski on Apr 3, 2010 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

so how much are you willing to bet on the Pirates winning the division?

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by lookingdeadred on Apr 3, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you giving 30-1 odds?

I’d certainly bet the Pirates if someone was giving 35 or 40 to 1. Maybe even 30 to 1.

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by Josh Timmers on Apr 3, 2010 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Probably. But I'd bet $1 or $2 with those odds for fun.

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by Shanghai Badger on Apr 4, 2010 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I got the Cubs at 8-1 from Ceasars

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by carolinacub on Apr 7, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

All flawed agree..

It’ll be a tallest midget in the room scenerio in my opinion, which is why it’ll be hard to be too optimistic even if the Cubs win the division. The Phillies are certainly better than any team in the central, and the Dodgers, Braves, and Giants might be too.

I guess I was just saying my dark horse for the division is Milwaukee. Certainly the Cards are favoured and probably should be..

The journey is the reward!

by wicubfan on Apr 2, 2010 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's legit

The Brewers have got some talent on offense and if Rickie Weeks stays healthy and produces, then they could score some serious runs. They might even club teams into submission like Harvey’s Wallbangers used to.

But if I had to pick a darkhorse in the division other than the Cards or Cubs, I’d say the Reds. I like their young talent—I’m just not sure they’re ready yet.

I never travel far without a little Big Star. R.I.P Alex

by Josh Timmers on Apr 2, 2010 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Reds..

would appear to have better starting pitching than Milwaukee. I’m with the camp that the Cubs could finish first or fourth. They could win the division at 88 wins, or finish fourth with 78. My fear is they’ve have closer to the 78..

The journey is the reward!

by wicubfan on Apr 3, 2010 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

The division is going to see a tight 3 or 4 way race

in September. So sayeth my gut feeling. I don’t think that any team has the “stuff” to really dominate the NL Central this year. The Cubs, realistically, could end up being fourth as they could end up winning the division.

I am looking forward to a season with a lot of suspense Including many ups and downs.

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by eths on Apr 2, 2010 5:44 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Cards will win division by Sept. 1

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by Worf on Apr 2, 2010 6:35 AM CDT reply actions  

agreed-I see the Cards by 9 games over the Cubs....

Our bullpen will be our downfall along with having to play overpaid people like Soriano and Fukudome because of their contracts.

I know Lou said he would play Colvin and later Nady in the OF, but I will believe it when I see it. Remember Sori said he needed notice last year to be removed from the lineup. After that I lost all care for the guy. NOT a team player…..Not the same player since the roids went away.

by TJ11 on Apr 2, 2010 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

When was this?

Proof or it didn’t happen. The only thing Sori mentioned last year was liking to know in advance if he’d be in the lineup because he likes to prepare himself a certain way.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Apr 2, 2010 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I too remember him sayhing he likes to know

nothing about him having to know. Lou handled Sori like a vet, and informed him of a change, the exact same thing our bosses do to us. It is not treating Sori special, but rather being a good boss IMHO

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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 3, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

So Soriano was on 'roids, eh?

Tell us more.

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by daver on Apr 2, 2010 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

And that never happened before steroids?

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by lookingdeadred on Apr 2, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

It did, but now it always seems fishy....It not like he is 39 and going down hill.

This is a supposedly super athlete that suddenly stopped running 2 years ago and has had a power drop. He walks gingerly around the bases and in LF. I don’t want to even talk about his defense….

I see
.238 14 HR 47 RBI’s this season. I hope I am wrong and this gets thrown in my face daily. But I have a bad feeling that he will be done well before his contract is.

by TJ11 on Apr 2, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

it is easy to assume it is steroids now

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by lookingdeadred on Apr 2, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

could it be due to having a bad wheel?

instead of steroids?

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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 3, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hope that is all it is....

But he has declined all three seasons with the Cubs.He is not the player we thought he was when he got the big contract.

I hope he has a big year, but I have my doubts……

by TJ11 on Apr 4, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's not necessarily a steroids problem

Plenty of athletes in the past have broken down at Soriano’s age.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Apr 3, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sandy Koufax was even younger

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by Shanghai Badger on Apr 3, 2010 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Koufax was juicing

He shot himself up with prune juice before every start.

I never travel far without a little Big Star. R.I.P Alex

by Josh Timmers on Apr 3, 2010 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

So was Babe Ruth.

He juiced up for every game with hot dogs and root beer.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 3, 2010 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

he also used testerone

so yes, Babe was juiced. I have posted links about this before

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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 3, 2010 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

What is this testerone that you speak of?

;-)

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by Shanghai Badger on Apr 3, 2010 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sounds Italian.

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by Goodie1969 on Apr 3, 2010 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

whoops

testosterone

i should rest more I think, but testerone makes me think of those candy bars used to raise money

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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 3, 2010 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Testerone?

Is that some new kind of pasta noodle?

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 3, 2010 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

forgive me for the typo

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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 3, 2010 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Aw, c'mon. It's kinda fun.

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by Shanghai Badger on Apr 4, 2010 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

i typo often

its kinda my trademark

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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 4, 2010 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tim’d™

by ol Pete on Apr 4, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

nice Pete

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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 5, 2010 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know. Hey, this isn't English class.

But that particular typo was funny. Especially the responses it generated.

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by Shanghai Badger on Apr 5, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

and i welcome puns and funs at my typos

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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 5, 2010 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

testerone sounds like a laxative

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by razgriz23 on Apr 3, 2010 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's a breath mint!

Stop! You’re both right!

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

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by Shanghai Badger on Apr 4, 2010 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

He had a bad season.

And he was ripping the ball apart before he hurt his knee. What say we stash the ’roid rumors and see how he does this year, no?

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by daver on Apr 2, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

you mean use common sense

instead of jump to conclusions? crazy talk

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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 3, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Unpossible.

Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.

by Ryno Runner on Apr 3, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

recockulous

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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 3, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Unredonkuable.

Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.

by Ryno Runner on Apr 3, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

OMGWTFBBQ

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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 3, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

PV!

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by Ryno Runner on Apr 3, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

More often than not, the whispers seem to be proven true in time.

So yes, guilty until proven innocent. If that bothers you-tough. The players did it to themselves.

by TJ11 on Apr 2, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

When was Soriano on Steroids?

Link?

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 2, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not only that,

When has it even been suggested by a credible source? Whispers?

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Apr 2, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well played.

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by Shanghai Badger on Apr 2, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

bird has a mohawk

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by razgriz23 on Apr 2, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nicely done!

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 2, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nicely done

I give you a BCB high-five in the form of a rec

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by PacificCub on Apr 2, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

We shall find and punish that little bird


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by eths on Apr 2, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

image fail


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by eths on Apr 2, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow, I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition...

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by kentmeister on Apr 2, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

no one expects the Spanish Inquisition

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by lookingdeadred on Apr 2, 2010 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lmao.

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by Ryno Runner on Apr 2, 2010 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

well played

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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 3, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

send in the Canadian geese

those things get on top of buildings here and honk like crazy and they annoy me when they start at 7 AM

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by razgriz23 on Apr 2, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

+ 10000000 BCB points, Ryno

You’ve done a man’s job, sir.

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by cubnational on Apr 4, 2010 6:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bad teammate

You really have no idea what you are talking about. We’ve been through this before. There have been no indications he is a bad teammate.

Everyone’s favorite here, Mark DeRosa, said he prefers to start at a single position. Sounds like he isn’t a team player either.

Taking one sentence from Soriano who has very bad English as proof of a poor teammate is silly.

by rlpete on Apr 2, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

↑ This. ↑

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by daver on Apr 2, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thats fine, its your opinion......My opinion is that he is about himself for the most part.

The two items compared are not the same.

Wanting play one position is fine. But DeRosa was always ready to play anywhere.
Soriano said he wasn’t prepared because the manager didn’t give him proper notice.

I don’t remember Lou needing to do that.

But whatever….

Do tell me though, don’t you think that if Hendry could rid himself of Soriano today and his whole contract, he would do it in a heartbeat? Soriano is an albatross and we all know it.

by TJ11 on Apr 2, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Show us one comment from a beat writer even suggesting that he's a bad teammate

By all credible accounts, his teammates love him.

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by Shanghai Badger on Apr 2, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good for him, I am saying there have been some questionable actions and statements over the years...

I seem to remember him refusing to play LF for the Nationals. They had to threaten him with the restricted list to get him to play.

by TJ11 on Apr 2, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess this means this mean you cannot the comment

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by lookingdeadred on Apr 2, 2010 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

sadly, no

It is more than a little tiresome to see people assume Soriano was/is on steroids just because his numbers and health have declined.

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by lookingdeadred on Apr 3, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don’t get suspecting Al of roids. If he recovered quickly and came back bulked up and was swatting the ball then an argument could be made, but given that he’s done the opposite, I dunno. Just out of curiosity, what were you trying to write in that sentence above?

by ol Pete on Apr 3, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess this means this mean you cannot support the comment

He is trying to sell the idea that Soriano is a bad teammate, but clearly does not have much to back it up.

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by lookingdeadred on Apr 3, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

ah

Yes, it seems doubtful, at least to me.

by ol Pete on Apr 3, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

and you make questionable statements here

does that make you a bad fan?

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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 3, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

so he was upset about being moved to the OF

when he was a 2b. Many players would be the same, such as any starting pitcher who signs or asks for a trade because he doesnt want to be in the bullpen.

That does not make them bad mates, you are over reacting

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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 3, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

How many players refused to play completely when asked to change positions?

I can’t name another.

If they wouldn’t have found a way to start docking his pay, he would have kept it up.

by TJ11 on Apr 4, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

yet he played there quickly

it wasnt like he sat out. he got pissed, made it known, then went on to have one of his best seasons. you are making a big deal about nothing IMHO

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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 4, 2010 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

and lets remember he also moved from LF to CF

for the Cubs then back to LF, then last season in one game played LF, 3B and 2B which doesnt sound like someone who is not willing to do what is asked to win.

again just my honest opinion

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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 4, 2010 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe he learned his lesson with the Nats,

He has switched positions with the Cubs on occasion.

I hope he goes full speed this season and does not play to not get hurt. When is walking around gingerly like he does, he appears hurt.

by TJ11 on Apr 5, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

but he was their LF in DC

meaning he switched positions and was successful doing so there and his mates never called him out or complained about it

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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 5, 2010 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

You can't see me!

We don’t want to see you!

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Apr 4, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's one incident

Got any others?

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by Shanghai Badger on Apr 3, 2010 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Different point

It isn’t a good contract. I won’t argue that.

by rlpete on Apr 2, 2010 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

i NEVER saw him say he didnt receive proper notice

in fact i have seen him say he wants to do whatever helps the Cubs win

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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 3, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

perfect explanation

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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 3, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

They are the favorites

But remember, they won the division last year by 8.5 games. That was with a Cubs team that didn’t play to their potential and were injury ridden.

If the Cubs can be healthy and most players compete at their potential I think there will be more competition among the two teams. In fact, I’m fairly convinced the wildcard can come out of the NL Central this year.

by ak123 on Apr 2, 2010 6:58 AM CDT reply actions  

wildcard

I’ll be surprised if it’s out of the NL Central. Atlanta/Florida both look fairly good to me (assuming Philly is the division winner), as do the Dodgers/Rockies. If the Giants find some offense and if some of the Mets youngsters come through (Ike Davis could be manning first sooner than later, Ruben Tejeda will get a chance to play while Reyes works his way back, Jenrry Mejia could solidify the pen), they’ll be something to worry about as well.

by toonsterwu on Apr 2, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's why I don't think NL East will get WC

I think they are going to beat each other up this year due to good competition. While I don’t think the NL Central will be the most competitive. Racking up wins against Pirates, Astros and Reds will be beneficial.

by ak123 on Apr 2, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

That assumes, though

that the Brewers and Cubs are that much better than the Astros/Reds/Pirates. I’d love to think we are, and again, I could definitely see the Cubs in the playoffs, but I don’t think the gap between 2-5 is going to be all that great. Heck, the Pirates could be decent, but I expect them to half-sell at midseason.

by toonsterwu on Apr 2, 2010 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why should anyone be surprised?

They are the defending champs, they have the two best pitchers in the division, a proven closer, and they have Pujols, the best hitter in the game. No reason to assume they won’t win. All of the other teams in the NL Central have more and bigger question marks.

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by lookingdeadred on Apr 2, 2010 8:07 AM CDT reply actions  

Not sure about the "proven closer" part.

The bullpen is their Achilles’ heal.

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by daver on Apr 2, 2010 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

But that's their only weak spot

Let’s play the season out, anyway, of course. But the Cards are the team to beat.

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by Shanghai Badger on Apr 2, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree they're the team to beat...

…but, looking at their depth chart, SS and 3B could be weak spots, too. Maybe 2B. Rasmus could have a sophomore slump. Ludwick could continue to decline – he’ll be 32 this season.

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by daver on Apr 2, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep, they're not a 100-win team, for sure.

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by Shanghai Badger on Apr 2, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

no one is saying they will win 100 games

they are just the best team right now in a fairly weak division

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by muidomi84 on Apr 3, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Our good friend BLou has stated that the Cards will win 100 games multiple times.

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by Ryno Runner on Apr 3, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

sorry one person

and last time i checked he’s always been pessimistic about the cubs chances

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by muidomi84 on Apr 3, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying I agree with him, and BLou pessimistic? Of course not.

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by Ryno Runner on Apr 3, 2010 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

And I agreed with that.

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by Shanghai Badger on Apr 3, 2010 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rasmus is going to be a monster this season.

Ludwick should be better, too.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 3, 2010 7:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why?

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by daver on Apr 3, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

last season ludwick has a ton of pressure on him because he was protection for pujols.

now that holliday has that role ludwick can relax and just hit. not saying that will make him better, but it won’t hurt him.

i forget what he had and don’t feel like looking it up but rasmus was sick last season. iirc he said he ended up losing something like 25 pounds. he will be a lot better

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by muidomi84 on Apr 3, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Possible, but certainly not certain.

Ludwick may remember he was a late bloomer who kind of “came out of nowhere”. So in addition to his health, maybe he regressed some back to what he “should” be.

I think Rasmus will be better, too, but there is plenty of precedent for a player NOT improving in his sophomore season. Sophomore “slumps”, a nagging injury, a 2nd lap around the league could all hamper his development (just as they could with Randy Wells).

I’m not saying either of these WILL happen, only that they CAN happen. That is, as they say, why they play the games.

by fsuapollo on Apr 3, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

sure i tend to agree with that

i don’t think ludwick is as good as what he did in 08 but i think he’s better than what he did last season. i think he was put in a position he wasn’t comfortable with and his performance suffered. i think he should be better.

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by muidomi84 on Apr 3, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can buy that...

for the same reason I think Soto and Fontenot will be better than they were in 09, even if they are never again what they were in 08.

by fsuapollo on Apr 3, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

He proved himself last season

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by lookingdeadred on Apr 2, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

One season does not a proven closer make.

And he struggled toward the end – or maybe you missed the playoffs.

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by daver on Apr 2, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

no, but at elast he ahs shown he can do it

unlike Marmol

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by lookingdeadred on Apr 2, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Franklin has about

4 months of closing experience on Marmol.

Carlos was fine in his (month and a half) stint as closer.

by fsuapollo on Apr 2, 2010 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Marmol has shown he can do it.

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by daver on Apr 3, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe.

Franklin closed for a whole season, Marmol for a couple of months.

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by lookingdeadred on Apr 3, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

i don't think he's a great closer

but TLR rarely used him in september because he was trying to keep him rested. a lot of his late season struggles were from a lack of control which i think was caused by his underuse

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by muidomi84 on Apr 3, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

He proved himself for half a season...

he was mediocre in the second half. He’s also, what, 39 years old?

by kanderber on Apr 2, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just checked.

He’s 37, so he’s not exactly young.

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by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 2, 2010 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ryan Franklin should not be the closer.

But, for now he is. If he falters, I suspect the Cardinals will replace him more quickly than they did Isringhausen.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 3, 2010 7:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

He less a long shot than Marmol

that is the real point

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by lookingdeadred on Apr 3, 2010 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not really.

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by daver on Apr 3, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

As I said above

Franklin closed for a whole season, Marmol for a couple of months. I agree Marmol has electric stuff, but he is extremely unpredictable.

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by lookingdeadred on Apr 3, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's fine...

But you can play that question game with all these guys.

Franklin has slightly more experience, Marmol has better stuff.

Marmol certainly is unpredictable… but who would have predicted Franklin would be an All-Star closer going into last season?

Don’t get me wrong… I think Franklin is more reliable… I’m just not sure that extra 4 months of closing experience puts Franklin heads and shoulders above Marmol.

by fsuapollo on Apr 3, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Franklin the best closer in baseball?

Well that’s just flat out ridiculous. He’s not even in the conversation with best closers in baseball.

by kanderber on Apr 2, 2010 8:30 AM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, that's a a very odd line...

…especially because he contradicts it a few paragraphs later.

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by daver on Apr 2, 2010 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I took it as sarcasm, personally.

If it wasnt meant as sarcasm, then yes, very odd.

by bdlugz on Apr 2, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he probably is being sarcastic...

…but it doesn’t come off well in the context of that paragraph.

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by daver on Apr 2, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

totally agreed dat..

n/t

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by wicubfan on Apr 2, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly correct.

The fact is, if Franklin isn’t as unreliable as he is, the dropped pop fly by Holliday doesn’t come back to haunt the Cardinals in the playoffs—or maybe, the dropped pop fly never happens.

We’ll never know.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

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by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 2, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree.

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by Ryno Runner on Apr 2, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Cards will be very tough this year.

To say you don’t think that they are a .500 team is just plain stupid. With Holliday on the team for a full year, I would say they are better offensively than they were last year. Rasmus has a year under his belt, and I hate to say it, but the kid is the real deal.

Based on the predictions, only Pujols has a decent chance to improve on his numbers last year because hte guy is a freak. Franklin may have led the league in blown saves two years ago, so we can hope he becomes the franklin of old. Holliday wont be above 1.000 OPS, but there is no reason he wont have high OPS. Anyone that hits behind Pujols will benefit because they will see a much higher % of hittable pitches, most likely more fastballs than the average person. Penny was a power pitcher, and if he is on, he will be like another #2 in their rotation.

In my opinion, Lohse is the wildcard in their rotation. Before last season, he never spend a day on the DL, and he mightly underperformed last year (just like our whole staff did except for Lilly and Wells). He went 15-6 two years ago. A 13-10 season is a decent possibility for him.

Injuries will be the only reason the Cards to push themselves to the top of the central. That being said, I believe the Cubs have made some real improvements over last year’s team, and will be able to compete. The Brewers have a lineup that will attempt to outhit their opponents because their pitching is nothing special, except for Gallardo and Wolf. Gallardo is injury prone, but he can bring it. They will score a lot of runs.

Who knows what Reds team shows up. Their upside is huge with a great young staff and a lineup of guys that have high ceilings. They could make a run for it. Pittsburgh has good young talent, but they are a few years away from trying to contend. Within those few years, they will probably end up trading away their tallent. That leaves Houston, they are decent ball team too, but I don’t think they will contend this year.

My prediction is that the Cards will repeat, but the Cubs will be in the Wildcard hunt.

by Don't Fear the Reaper on Apr 2, 2010 8:40 AM CDT reply actions  

you didn't mention Carpenter

Even if he’s healthy, I don’t see him repeating last year’s performance. And that’s key. Also, I don’t think Penny will be as effective as Pineiro.

by elgato on Apr 2, 2010 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

if he's healthy

carp will repeat his performance. he’s always been a stud pitcher, just oft injured. penny should fair well in the NL. i mean if duncan can turn pineiro into a good pitcher then there’s no reason penny can’t follow suit. penny at least has had a fair amount of success before becoming a duncan project. he may not have the season pineiro had but he’s definately the better pitcher of the two

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by muidomi84 on Apr 3, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the ".500 team" line is also...odd.

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by daver on Apr 2, 2010 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Experts" often make predictions based on historical success ...

or because they like young, up and coming teams. That’s why the Cardinals are always picked to finish well, and teams like the Reds get attention at this time of year. Besides the title drought, the perception is the Cubs’ window closed.

My feeling is that the Cardinals are overrated, and that the Central will be won by about 86 games. As long as our bullpen doesn’t show its inexperience, and as long as we don’t get hit by the injury bug again, we’ll be right there.

by elgato on Apr 2, 2010 8:42 AM CDT reply actions  

I hope you're right about the 86 games.

That could/should/would put the Cubs in the thick of it.

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by daver on Apr 2, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

the Cardinals "great" season in 2009

… only got them 91 wins. Sure, they didn’t need to play tough down the stretch and that cut that win total a little. But 91 wins versus 86 wins is a couple of bad days from your closer (remember Kevin Gregg against the Marlins?) a couple bad calls and a surprise shutout by a rookie pitcher.

The Cardinals got career years out of just about everyone last year, got an amazing run from a journeyman to close games and have a creaky No. 1 starter.

by elgato on Apr 2, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because they're a good team.

Remember how the Cubs were a lock to take the division in 2009, based on their performance in 2008? Same thing.

Even with all the stats pointing to a Cards division title, there’s always injuries, hot/cold hitters and pitchers, etc etc. They’re only predictions, they aren’t cold, hard fact.

by squelch84 on Apr 2, 2010 8:57 AM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, you could reverse the two teams and have written the same

thing exactly one year ago. We all know how that turned out. Its eerily strange how the two teams seem to be following the same path.

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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 2, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

let's hope ...

that the Cardinals’ big free-agent signing flames out and says he understands why the Cardinals haven’t ton a title in four years. :)

by elgato on Apr 2, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Perhaps the vaunted St. Louis fans

will start racially taunting Holliday if he doesn’t produce.

(Typed with tongue planted firmly in cheek.)

by fsuapollo on Apr 2, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

The way I see it...

is let everyone pick the Cards. Place all the pressure on them and let’s play the games. Sure they have the arguably the best 3-4 combo in the majors in Pujols and Holliday and the best 1-2 rotation with Carpenter and Wainwright, but just like you said, can any of these guys improve on last year’s numbers? Pujols, probably has the best shot. Holliday, not likely, but his numbers will be solid. Carpenter is injury-prone and Wainwright pitched a ton of innings last year.

 I like that the Cubs are flying under the radar this year. Let’s play a 162 and see what happens.

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by crw89 on Apr 2, 2010 9:02 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I agree with this.

Most predictions of this nature are made on past performance. This is why the Cubs were prohibitive favorites a year ago.

As you said, in essence, that’s why they play the games.

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by Al Yellon on Apr 2, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Screw that

I want a team that KNOWS it’s the best and says, “We are going to kick your mf’ing ass and make you like it. We are going to slap you on the ass and call you sweetheart and YOU CAN’T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT!”

I want a team that is favored, likes being favored and gets pissed off when it is NOT favored.

You know, like the Yankees, Red Sox, Phillies and Cardinals. In other words, winners.

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by Worf on Apr 2, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Green Bay..

:)

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by wicubfan on Apr 2, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, that should be the objective.

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by daver on Apr 2, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

And we ain't there

You know what they call lovable losers that fly under the radar?

Losers.

Like I said, I’m in it for the beer at this point.

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by Worf on Apr 2, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Where can I get some of this "beer" you refer to?

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by daver on Apr 2, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

I need to see some ID

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by Worf on Apr 2, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice speech.

You should give it in the locker room and tell the players that they’re losers for not foaming at the mouth for a better preseason ranking.

by Flatley on Apr 2, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lol.

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by Ryno Runner on Apr 2, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

To use NFL examples,

Minnesota, Indianapolis, San Diego, and New England come to mind.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

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by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 2, 2010 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

haha

Yes Minnesota with all their super bowl championships..:)

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by wicubfan on Apr 2, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Indeed!

And with their radio announcer Paul Allen, the best play-by-play guy on radio (with the exception of Pat and Ron)!

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 2, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

rec'd

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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 3, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Green'ed.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 2, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good

Everyone picked us to win last yr.

United we stand and united we'll fall......down on our knees the day we win it all!

by Bricks and Ivy on Apr 2, 2010 9:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Just remember though

players are humans. Injuries may arise and you may end up losing Pujols or Halliday or Molina for a chunk of the season [not saying I want it to happen]. Never underestimate any team for they may come out and surprise you in the end.

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by razgriz23 on Apr 2, 2010 9:26 AM CDT reply actions  

Because in a land of the blind...

the one-eyed man is king.

Good pitching, solid offense, reasonable health, and arguably the best coaching in the division. The won the division last year by what, seven games? There’s really no team that you can look at, and say that they’ve made that up.

Personally, I don’t feel good about their ability to catch the ball, which may come back to bite them hard. But until I see it become a major problem, they’re my pick too.

by Damen Jackson on Apr 2, 2010 9:55 AM CDT reply actions  

They also were tied for first place with a flawed Cubs team

until the middle of August.

The Cardinals don’t scare me. I think it’ll be a close race among four teams, and that maybe mid-80s in victories will do it.

Like has been said, they play 162 for a reason. If that makes me a Pollyanna, so be it.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 2, 2010 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

they were tied with the cubs

before they got holliday. he was the difference. he will be there a full season.

they were also starting
joe thurston at 3rd
khalil greene at short
rick ankiel in center
chris duncan in left
and todd wellemeyer as the 5th starter
 they have upgraded all those spots

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by muidomi84 on Apr 3, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

How many starts did Khalil get? Didn’t Ankiel start because Rasmus had injuries?

by ol Pete on Apr 3, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

i was just looking at their opening day roster

and actually it was rasmus who ended up getting the gig when ankiel got hurt

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by muidomi84 on Apr 3, 2010 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

no one thinks he will

pujols had no protection last season before holliday got there. they tried several player (ludwick, rasmus, etc) who just weren’t comfortable enough in that role. with holliday taking the 4 spot, the rest of the line up was able to fall into place.

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by muidomi84 on Apr 3, 2010 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh boy.

I can understand it if the Cardinals are favored now, but anointing them to win the division before a single game has even been played? Nothing against St. Louis, but they also have a very right-handed lineup. Their only left-handed regulars are Rasmus and Schumaker. So, the fact that the Cubs also have a something of a right-handed-heavy lineup is somewhat a wash when played against St. Louis.

Will the Cardinals win the division? It’s too early to say IMO. Will it be a close race? To be honest, I really think the Cubs/Cardinals race will be a lot closer than most people expected at the outset of the season.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

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by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 2, 2010 10:01 AM CDT reply actions  

The 2008 Cubs were very right-handed, too.

Maybe they could do us the favor of retooling the way we did in the ‘08-’09 offseason.

by Flatley on Apr 2, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I honestly don't think being left-handed or right-handed means much.

Talent wins championships. So what if the lineup is right-handed? The 2008 Cubs were very right-handed. And yet they led the NL in runs scored and had the best record in the NL.

I think the left-handed/right-handed debate is overrated and it really needs to be discarded at some point soon.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 2, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree.

The only reason I mention it is because you yourself did in your post.

by Flatley on Apr 2, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

agree..

I think the obsession with “left hand hitting” led to a poor contract for Fukudome. A decent right handed hitter will hit anyone.

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by wicubfan on Apr 2, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree

The Cardinals are not unstoppable by any means but why would they not be the favorite? In the division best 1-2 pitching, best 3-4-5 hitting, best closer, best catcher not to mention the best player in baseball. Why would you not choose the Cardinals? Things change over the course of the season and players aren’t always the same as in previous years but the Cards are the obvious smart choice to win the division. I’m not saying the Cubs can’t win the division but at this point in time its the Cards who should be chosen. Given I still would take the Cubbies for Wildcard and in the playoffs its anybody’s game. That said let’s go Cubbies!!!!!

by 1908isjustayear on Apr 2, 2010 10:37 AM CDT reply actions  

Another "best closer" nod.

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by daver on Apr 2, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't get that, either.

Franklin had far and away a career season at 36. I think he’s a decent reliever, but no way do I see him being that dominant again.

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by Shanghai Badger on Apr 2, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think that's either Cordero or Hoffman

And ol Pete, a Brewers fan, gives the nod to Cordero.

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by Shanghai Badger on Apr 3, 2010 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Franklin definitely is NOT the best closer in the Central, despite wearing the Birds on the Bat. IMHO, that honor goes to Hoffman, with Cordero a not-too-distant second.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 3, 2010 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Definitely Gregg

Ohh, wait…

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Apr 4, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

PV!

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by Shanghai Badger on Apr 4, 2010 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

A better question is, Why wouldn't you pick the Cards to win the Division

It’s not like the Cubs did enough to make themselves the preseason favorite.

When your first priority is moving “He Who Has Been Shipped To Seattle”, you are not off to a riveting off-season. The payroll is bloated with aging players and the top free agent moves were Marlon Byrd and Xavier “I hope the 2nd surgery was the trick” Nady. No killer move on the pitching side at all. Other than letting Kevin Gregg go.

Sure, some Cubs should rebound from 2009. That was a steep offensive drop-off from 2008. But what if others have bad seasons?

When you win the division by 7.5 games and keep your core players, you will probably be the preseason favorite. No real stretch here.

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by RiskyBusiness on Apr 2, 2010 10:59 AM CDT reply actions  

Agree completely

This offseason was all about fixing last years screw-ups.

At least Hendry will be gone after the season.

I know its the fun time to be a Cub fan. All that optimism and stuff, but some of you need to face reality.

by TJ11 on Apr 2, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why would Hendry be gone after this season?

I know I’ve called for it in the past, but I don’t think the Cubs will perform at such a poor level that it would cost Jim his job.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Apr 3, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

So if the Cubs win the World Series,

Hendry will get fired. You heard it from TJ11 first.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 3, 2010 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hendry will be a Cub still in 2011 IMHO

and possibly for a few more years after. He is not this horrible GM so many think he is

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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 3, 2010 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha..

sorry NBF, but thats the first time I’ve senn “Cubs” and “World Series” in the same sentence this year. You didn’t mean the Japanese World Series did you?

The journey is the reward!

by wicubfan on Apr 4, 2010 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ryan Franklin

To be honest, I don’t see him repeating last year’s performance. It was his “lightning in a bottle” year. They used him out of desperation, and not as a stroke of genius. Jason Motte was the closer coming out of ST, but he blew his first couple chances, and they turned to Franklin.

I fear Pujols, Carpenter, and Wainwright, but I do not fear the Cardinals. As far as Holliday’s concerned, after early success with the Cards post deadline, teams started to figure him out down the stretch – he can’t hit, or lay off, good hard high fastballs. The Dodgers scouted him well, and the only damage he did in the NLDS was on a slow curve from Kershaw. They overpaid in $$ and years for the guy, and will regret it in the same way we’ve regretted the Soriano deal.

All this said, they could stil win the division going away, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they didn’t.

Scott Bora$ is satan.

by Canadian Cubs Fan on Apr 2, 2010 11:28 AM CDT reply actions  

So here are the closers for the six NL Central teams:

1. Franklin
2. Marmol
3. Hoffman
4. Cordero
5. Lindstrom
6. Dotel

Is Franklin really the best – as a few people here have said? I think I’d say Hoffman and Cordero are better in terms of a consistent track record in that role. I don’t know too much about Lindstrom – I believe this is his first year as a closer, no? Seems like Marmol and Franklin are both question marks in a sense. Could Dotel be the dark horse?

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by daver on Apr 2, 2010 11:30 AM CDT reply actions  

Lindstrom has always had "stuff"

well, velocity really, but he’s never been able to put that into dominant pen ability. There should be some cause for concern with Cordero – the K rate has been slipping, and the walk rate has been in the 4’s since going to Cincy.

I’d probably rank it

1. Hoffman – Slowing down, but he’s never needed a dominant fastball, and his fb velo was still decent last year. If the change is strong, and if he’s healthy, the Brewers 9th innings should be fairly safe.

2. Marmol – The stuff is so good that, if he can get his control back to the previous 4ish BB/9 range, he should be fine.
3. Cordero – Some of the trends bother me. The stuff is slipping, and I think the Reds know it, which is why he’s been talked about for a couple of years now as a trade candidate. Until they find better, he’s what they’ll go to.
4. Dotel – I admittedly don’t know what he has left outside of the numbers.

5. Franklin – I think he got a bit lucky last year, and that Motte may be closing by midseason (or someone else, maybe said player is in the minors).
6. Lindstrom – I was somewhat hoping to see Lyon get the closing role there, as I think Brandon is more consistent.

by toonsterwu on Apr 2, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the rundown.

I heard/read somewhere recently that Hoffman could almost be considered a knuckle-baller at this point because his velocity isn’t what it once was but his change-up is so crazy. I would agree that, if Marmol can keep his walks down, he should be fine. In fact, I think I’d say Carlos has the most upside of any of the six.

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by daver on Apr 2, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hoffman is around the high 80s a lot. I think he can hump it up to 90 or 91 every now and then.

by ol Pete on Apr 3, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

"baseball experts" are worse than the weatherman at making predictions.

I don’t see the Cardinals winning at all. I think they’ve got more flaws than the Cubs. A weak bullpen, besides their 1 and 2 starters, all the others have struggled (unless Kyle Loshe lives up to his contract), they lost a good starter in Joel Piniero to free agency, and they have done absolutely nothing to improve their bullpen. What they did last year is history, and if they do manage to win this division, they’re doing it in the last week of the season, not as early as September 1st.

by braziliancubsfan on Apr 2, 2010 12:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Joel was only good for the Cardinals last season.

Over at Viva El Birdos, we called him Pinata until 2009. Our site’s head writer, Dan, started a running gag where Pineiro was possessed by the ghost of Christy Mathewson.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 3, 2010 7:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, but...

Kyle Lohse had a series of fluke, non-pitching injuries last season. He’s never been on the DL for a pitching-related injury. If he can come close to what he did in 08, I think the rotation is more than solid. Remember – the Cardinals ran Todd Wellemeyer out to start for 21 games last season to the tune of a 5.89 ERA and a 5.31 FIP. Just taking him out of the rotation solves a bunch of problems right there.

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by spants on Apr 3, 2010 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder how Welly will do in SF.

by ol Pete on Apr 3, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok spants, then how do YOU think the Cubs and Caridinals will do?

Personally, I think the Cardinals are gonna be alright. They got one of the better lineups in the game, they got a good, but not great pitching staff, they’ve got an unproven bench, and their bullpen isn’t that great either. I say they win 88 games this year.
Unlike some people hear, I think the Cubs are as good or better than the Cardinals. The Cubs have a good lineup, a very good pitching staff, a powerful bench, and an inexperienced and young bullpen, with a bunch of great, young arms that might surprise many people this year. I say the Cubs will win 91 games and win this division in the last 5 days of the regular season.

by braziliancubsfan on Apr 4, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Cardinals will finish first with 92 wins.

The bullpen is my only concern, and I think it will get sorted out.

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by spants on Apr 4, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well...

I think Zambrano is a big question mark. Which Z is going to show up? I like Lilly, which means I hate when the Cardinals face him. Silva is meh and I can’t believe Hendry took him.

Your lineup is damn good when everyone is healthy. Sadly for you guys, that never seems to happen.

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by spants on Apr 4, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kyle McClellan (who competed well for the 5th starter's job this spring),

Jason Motte (flame thrower, inconsistent secondary offerings), Mitchell Boggs (electric stuff, but his delivery has been a mess this spring), Ryan Franklin (won’t be as good as last year but won’t be as bad as last September, either), Trever Miller and Dennys Reyes (both LOOGYs), and Blake Hawksworth (did well out of the pen last season, but VEBers feel dubious about his continued success.)

In the minors, we have a few flame-throwing righties. Some of whom may get a call-up at some point, especially if Boggs can’t put it together.

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by spants on Apr 4, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm going to say worse, but I could just be nervous.

Many of the same guys are returning. If Boggs could get it together, I’d feel better. He could set up, and then if Franklin does poorly, Boggs could close. But if his delivery doesn’t get straightened out, I don’t know what’s going to happen.

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by spants on Apr 4, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

like i said about,

the Cardinals did absolutely nothing to improve their bullpen.

by braziliancubsfan on Apr 4, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's true.

But it could work out. We’ve got a few RH flame-throwers in the minor leagues, too. We’ll see.

You can read it in any tone you like.

by spants on Apr 4, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

at this point,

same. it’s the exact same bullpen. the bullpen will be better this year, though. motte is gonna be the real deal. hawksworth or boggs will be replaced with salas at some point during the year. if both suck, we’ll probably end up seeing sanchez before the end of the year also. that would really firm up the right side of a bullpen that’s already strong from the left side. the ninth inning remains a weakness

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by prophetjohn on Apr 4, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

True. Our rotation was beastly.

Still, we have a full season of Holliday. And while I’m not expecting him to put up the numbers he did post-trade, having him an entire season over the black holes that were Chris Duncan and Rick Ankiel should make quite a difference.

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by spants on Apr 4, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I haven't read the whole thread...

so someone may have already mentioned this. But…

LaRussa is a guy who relies very heavily on his bench. He loves to shift guys around, go with matchups, etc. A lot. But the Cards bench is very weak this year, which is odd because it doesn’t fit the manager’s style. Something to keep an eye on.

by kanderber on Apr 2, 2010 1:02 PM CDT reply actions  

now that's just ignorance

don’t mean to be personal but there is a huge difference between unproven and bad.

unproven means you have talent just haven’t had the chance to test it yet at the majors
bad means you’ve tried and failed

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by muidomi84 on Apr 3, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which bench players...

have talent? The Cards bench sucks, whether you want to admit it or not.

by kanderber on Apr 3, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

that wasn't the point

you can call them “bad” once they’ve proven it on the field

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by muidomi84 on Apr 3, 2010 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, fortunately...

there are things that exist called scouting reports, and minor league stats, so that you can have the ability to look at a player and make an objective evaluation of him.

by kanderber on Apr 3, 2010 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

well in a year i might agree with you and call them bad

until then i’ll agree with spants and call them unproven

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by muidomi84 on Apr 3, 2010 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

So Felix Pie made the All-Star Team in 2008, right?

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by Shanghai Badger on Apr 3, 2010 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

2008?!?!?!

I knew he did last year, but I wasn’t aware of 08.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Apr 4, 2010 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Are you going to the BCB meetup for his HOF induction?

I’m bringing the salsa.

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by Shanghai Badger on Apr 4, 2010 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

only if i can bring your salsa

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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 4, 2010 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Definitely

I swore I would never miss another one since I missed Corey Patterson’s.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Apr 5, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

after Gary Varsho

i have not missed one

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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 5, 2010 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Have you met Allen Craig yet?

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by spants on Apr 3, 2010 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Felipe seems like a really nice fit. Switch hitter, good OBP, good contact hitter for Tony. I wonder if he’ll play other spots than 2b and 3b.

by ol Pete on Apr 3, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Knowing Tony, I'm sure he will.

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by spants on Apr 3, 2010 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't forget the Reds

In a division as flawed as the central, I truly think the Reds could be the team that puts it together. There is a lot of young talent on that team (Votto, Bruce, Chapman) with some vets that at least could potentially have one more good one in them, (Harang, Rolen, etc.). If they are within shooting distance when Volquez comes back, look out. If they had a better manager, I’d be even more nervous about their potential.

by Ron Swanson on Apr 2, 2010 1:04 PM CDT reply actions  

The thing about the Reds is that they have Dusty Baker as their maneger.

He’s gonna end up blowing Aroldis Chapman’s arm off, he’s already done that to Volquez. Don’t see them finishing higher than third this season.

by braziliancubsfan on Apr 2, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

For sure

Dusty is no doubt holding that gang back. It’s almost a shame but I can’t help feeling like they are getting what they had coming hiring him in the first place.

by Ron Swanson on Apr 2, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Baseball Prospectus

…as has been stated here before has the Cubs in second, below .500.
They project ALL NL Central teams but the Cards below .500

I can see second place as a possibility, but…79 wins??? Absurd.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Apr 2, 2010 5:44 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't get that

Virtually everything that could have gone wrong for the Cubs last year did, and they still won 83 games.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 2, 2010 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

And the offense this year is definitely an improvement over last year.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

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by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 2, 2010 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope you guys are right..

my fear is you’re wrong..

The journey is the reward!

by wicubfan on Apr 2, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

not necessarily

Soriano could get worse, ARam could get hurt again, Soto could hit like 2009 again and not 2008, DLee could get hurt and/or start to lose it, Byrd could be a bust, so bottom line, there are a lot of reasons why the Cubs’ offense might not improve over last year.

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by lookingdeadred on Apr 3, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ya..

also is Soto the Soto of ’08 or ’09? Same with Fontenot who will get the majority of the ABs if Lou plays a strict right/lefty platoon. Are these gys going to be 2 automatic outs, or will they be good productive players?

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by wicubfan on Apr 3, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good points, all of them.

You win.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 3, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I sure hope not!

I am not predicting a worse offensive season this year than last, I think 2010 will be better than 2009 but not as good as 2008, but I was trying to point out how 2010 could be worse.

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by lookingdeadred on Apr 3, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know.

I saw you getting at that. Like you, I agree that 2010 will be a better year offensively than 2009, and I saw how you correctly said that it could be worse. Not that it will be worse.

I agree with your points here.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 3, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not a chance.

I think somewhere between 87-92 will win it.

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by NDCubbie on Apr 3, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

completely agree with this

The central is just really…not that good..I guess you could say the Cards are going to dominate games in the division, but I don’t see it..they already get a head start by playing the Royals 6 times..:)

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by wicubfan on Apr 3, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Royals… that sucks.

by ol Pete on Apr 3, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL.

Good point. I live in KC and usually go to at least one of the Cardinals/Royals games every year. Don’t worry, I represent the blue. The Cubbie blue lol.

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by NDCubbie on Apr 3, 2010 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who rec'd this?

Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.

by Ryno Runner on Apr 3, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cubs shall win 75 games and come in 3rd or 4th place

So let it be written, so let it be said. I wish I were more optimistic, but honesty prevails. This is a Cub team with too many weaknesses and too many holes to be any more optimistic.

The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.

by BLou on Apr 3, 2010 6:09 AM CDT reply actions  

I think both the Cubs and Cardinals will have a very close race.

There is no way in Hell the Cardinals have a 100-win season. I believe 85-90 wins will decide the division, and that it will be the Cubs-Cardinals going neck and neck all the way. Who wins? I don’t know if I can make a guess at it yet.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 3, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nobody in this division will win 100 games.

Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.

by Ryno Runner on Apr 3, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Amen.

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"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 3, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Optimism and honesty are not mutually exclusive

And

This is a Cub team with too many weaknesses and too many holes to be any more optimistic.

But that is not how most rational people view the season.

And before you start spouting “kool-aid drinker”… there’s a mile of space between thinking the Cubs are “good” and thinking they can’t top 75 wins.

by fsuapollo on Apr 3, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

And I forgot to mention

that your version of “honesty” does not equal truth.

by fsuapollo on Apr 3, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's strange.

He constantly rails against people he doesn’t agree with, claiming that they make up their own facts to support their conclusions. And yet, he happens to be one of those people he rails against.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 3, 2010 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Irony sure is ironic.

Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.

by Ryno Runner on Apr 4, 2010 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

seems like

they always pick the winner from the year before. after all we were picked to win in 2009. if the cubs play up to speed we have just as much of a chance as the cards.

by NOMAR on Apr 3, 2010 8:13 AM CDT reply actions  

Why are thte Cards the favorite?

It’s simple. EVERY team in the Central has flaws. The Cardinals just don’t have as many, at least ON PAPER.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark

by NDCubbie on Apr 3, 2010 11:53 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Bench, bullpen, back of the rotation, 3B? All of those could be very good, but on paper they are questionable.

by ol Pete on Apr 3, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also,

The Cardinals also don’t have much left-handed power. There goes the claim that the Cubs are overly tilted right-handed.

Again, I really think that argument is overblown, big-time.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 3, 2010 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, but their unbelieveable lineup and 1/2 punch of Carpenter and Wainwright makes up for all of that, IMO.

The Cardinals should be the favorite, but to be honest with you, we have just as good of a chance as anyone.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark

by NDCubbie on Apr 3, 2010 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

turn it green

Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..

coda

ELO, 1975

by cubnational on Apr 4, 2010 6:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

My rationale on why the Cubs are kinda sorta a bad ballclub right now

1. The bullpen is going to be putrid I’m afraid. Sure, maybe one of these unsung former nobodies rises to the occasion. I also think Grabow and Marshall will get the job done. But Marmol has shown little this spring to suggest he can A) adequately close and B) get the ball over the plate for strikes consistently enough.

2. Ramirez is still a fine ballplayer, but I"m afraid his best years are behind him. That’s a problem for this team, because Ramirez has been the best and most critical member of the lineup card since arriving in 2003. At this point getting 120 games out of Ramirez to go along with 90 RBIs is my expectation. Not bad by any means, but not at the historic standard set by Ramirez.

3. Soriano forms a black hole in left field. It’s the growing consensus around baseball and even within the Cub organization that Soriano is a shadow of his former self. Not just BLou babble my friends.

4. Kosuke doesn’t produce enough offensively, period.

5. Until further notice, the middle infield is two 30 year old journeyman types. Scary that one is being counted upon as the everyday leadoff hitter in addition to being the everyday shortstop. I like Theriot, but bottom line WAY too much is being placed on his shoulders. And that is a problem. Fontenot? He’s a borderline major league ballplayer masquerading as an everyday 2nd baseman.

6. I doubt strongly that Soto will be a “run producer” going forward. That’s not to say he can’t be a good receiver behind the plate and who has a reasonably nice bat. Reminiscing about what he did in 2008 with the bat is a fool’s paradise.

===

So what do I want to happen in 2010 given my assumption of a second-division finish? Well, for one I want to see the Cubs come to grips with the “Soriano dilemma” and bench his ass if it comes to that. Two, I’ll look forward to the arrival of Starlin Castro at some point either in 2010 or next season, and hope like heck he can be a real asset and building block for this club. Three, that when the wheels DO fall off in 2010 like I think they will that Tom Ricketts uses this as the ammunition to overhaul the Cub front office and send Jim Hendry packing at the end of the year. Four, that somebody emerges who is willing to take Fukudome off of our hands by mid-season. Of course that implies he is producing at a decent rate.

The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.

by BLou on Apr 3, 2010 8:18 PM CDT reply actions  

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Apr 3, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because you've repeated them over and over and over and over...

… and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over, as if repeating them 15 million times would actually make them true.

I find it sad that on the eve of a baseball season, all you can think of about your favorite team is how to fire the general manager.

I’ll expect not to see you around here much when the Cubs start winning. I know you can’t stand that.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Apr 3, 2010 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ramirez is on the downside

The injuries seem to be piling up. And that unstable shoulder situation scares the daylights out of me. Ramirez is the most vital and significant run producer on the Cubs. And has been since he arrived. A relative downturn in his contributions is a big concern. Especially in light on the Guess Hitting Hack’s downfall.

I don’t think the Cub lineup is going to scare too many people. Sure, it will be prone to its usual outbursts of big production. But the dysfunctionality is still there. And age has crept into the equation as well. Soriano, Lee and Fukudome are not young. And Ramirez may best be classified as an “old” 31.

The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.

by BLou on Apr 3, 2010 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey Eeyore

The prozac is in the medicine cabinet, feel free to help yourself to some.

How can anyone go into the season honestly hoping the GM gets fired?

And if “Fukudome doesn’t produce enough, period”, how is another team going take him off our hands when he is producing at a decent rate? Or does “period” just not mean what it once did.

Have a bead on any pleasant suprises for the Cubs this year, or is it all doom and gloom with no Randy Wells upsides?

"I'd rather hit home runs you don't have to run as hard." -- Dave Kingman

by BucknerKongCardenal on Apr 3, 2010 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Get back to me at the mid-season point

This Cub team, as constructed, is not good. Not good at all. Jim Hendry has created a clusterfuck for the princely sum of $140 million in salary this season. Suffice to say, he needs to go. The “future” and the optimism for this ballclub cannot happen until there is an intelligent and objective General Manager in place AND these multitude of dreadful contracts unwind themselves.

As a Cub fan, I am angry and disgusted with the product about to be foiled upon us. I make ZERO apology for being pissed off. Zero. If you chose to live with blind optimism for this misfit 25 man roster, then go for it.

The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.

by BLou on Apr 3, 2010 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

We'll try to get back to you.

But I doubt we’ll see you much around here if the Cubs are doing well at midseason.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Apr 3, 2010 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

this

Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Castro Blocker Fan Club

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 4, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Out of curiosity

Do you even hope you are wrong?

"I'd rather hit home runs you don't have to run as hard." -- Dave Kingman

by BucknerKongCardenal on Apr 3, 2010 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

do you even think he will respond?

Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Castro Blocker Fan Club

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 4, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Four reasons

They have two Cy Young candidates at the front of their rotation.
They have two Triple Crown candidates in the middle of their lineup.

by zam on Apr 3, 2010 8:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Seems sportwriters have a collective problem with the whole "vision" thing

Nine times out of ten they will just pick last year’s winners.

Cardinals have as many holes if not more than the Cubs if you don’t buy into Franklin. Theoretically they have solved their biggest issue in years when they traded for and kept Holliday. But the devil is always in the details.

I’m picking the Cards for third in 2010.

"I'd rather hit home runs you don't have to run as hard." -- Dave Kingman

by BucknerKongCardenal on Apr 3, 2010 11:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Third? Now there is an interesting choice. Who is second and first?

Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.

by Ryno Runner on Apr 4, 2010 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

look at a these small bear fans

thinking ryan franklin is a good closer

there’s a reason VEB has a “franklin sucks” meme

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Apr 4, 2010 1:24 AM CDT reply actions  

TJ and BLou, here's where the Cards are going to end up

Drink your beer and prognosticate all you want. The Cubs are going to be in the middle of this and the Cards will fall apart. Have a round on me for that one. It’s free.

Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..

coda

ELO, 1975

by cubnational on Apr 4, 2010 6:37 AM CDT reply actions  

In the middle of the road?

"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver

by wrigleyrocker12 on Apr 4, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

in fowl territory?

Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Castro Blocker Fan Club

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 4, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

LMAO at all three comments!!!!

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Apr 4, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Same. Lol.

Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.

by Ryno Runner on Apr 4, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

a good bit of heart felt work

Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..

coda

ELO, 1975

by cubnational on Apr 4, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope this is what we are seeing come August

Dead Cardinal Pictures, Images and Photos

Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Castro Blocker Fan Club

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 4, 2010 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

+ 1000000000000000000000000000000000000

You are now the Official Self Appointed President of the Castro Blocker Fan Club. Via con Dios.

Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..

coda

ELO, 1975

by cubnational on Apr 4, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

perdon .. its VAYA con Dios

.. ay chihuahua, why didn’t my father ignore what mi abuelo said and TEACH ME SPANISH .. ??

Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..

coda

ELO, 1975

by cubnational on Apr 4, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

HA HA!!!!

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.

Go Pack!

by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 5, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is strange

Can you name one major hole the Cardinals have?

Almost all projection systems have the Cardinals with around 90 wins and finishing first in the division by a huge margin. I know, I know, they are just projections – but they are the baseline from which we should judge a team. Unless you have any reason to believe that many players on the Cardinals will underperform their career numbers or that many players on the Cubs and the Brewers will overperform – significantly – I don’t see how you cannot believe the Cards are the favorite.

by vivaelpujols on Apr 5, 2010 12:00 AM CDT reply actions  

Bullpen, third base. I agree that the cardinals should be favored to win it and they may

win 90, but it is by no means a lock. The Cubs and Brewers don’t have to significantly overperform to compete with the cardinals. The Cubs did win this division for 2 years straight prior to last year and the brewers were in the playoffs in ‘08. That wasn’t that long ago and other than the brewers lsing a chunk of their starting pitching, the teams are basically the same, so I don’t believe that any one of these teams has to significantly overperform to win this division.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 5, 2010 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well of course it's not a lock

The Cubs and Brewers and Reds are probably around 83 win teams on paper, while the Cardinals are probably 90 wins. So of course if the Cards get a little unlucky with injuries, and one of the other three teams has a couple of breakout years, they might not win the division.

But I think they are pretty clear favorites right now, just based on the expected performances of their players. And if you look at all of the other division in baseball, the Cardinals are probably the biggest favorites to win their division.

by vivaelpujols on Apr 5, 2010 1:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

IMHO

Cards are the team to beat in the NL CEntral, and I believe it will be a tough thing for the Cubs or anyone in the Central to beat them out

Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Castro Blocker Fan Club

by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 5, 2010 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not if you take last years stats

His point is you can’t depend on that to happen again.

"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver

by wrigleyrocker12 on Apr 5, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

90% of the time...

…the experts pick who did well the year before to do well again, and this year in no exception.

We all know baseball is loaded with so many variables, and some of these predictions usually run off of the rails by about July.

With that said, I do agree with the Cards being the favorite in the Central. They have 2 of the best starters in the NL and a solid lineup (with the best offensive player in the game). Also, since most teams do have some injuries, the Cards also have a history of showing they can overcome the injury bug, while the Cubs have not.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Apr 5, 2010 10:09 AM CDT reply actions  

Let's argue rationally, OK?

I think the points that are being made all actually agree with one another. I think if the entire Cardinals team was abducted by space aliens, then injected with typhoid, and forced to listen to Go Cubs Go 24/7 from now until October 15th, AND the Cubs were allowed 4 outs every inning and all fielding and mental errors reversed into outs (it’s the effort that counts after all, isn’t it?), then the Northsiders would have a pretty good shot at finishing first in the division.

That said, the Cubs have a history of having just as many – if not more – nagging injuries (can I grab a chair for you? A Kleenex? A shorter dugout fence, perhaps?) than their opponents.

Of course, we’re just one day into this thing, and the Cubs are already the Cubs.

And I still love them.

by JimWa on Apr 6, 2010 12:32 PM CDT reply actions  

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