Refund on Rudy Jaramillo?
Is it too late to receive a refund for Rudy Jaramillo? Seems like he is just as effective at teaching the Cubs how to hit as the last two batting coaches. If he has been teaching the players how to hit, I wish he would quickly explain how to hit with runners on base. This lineup is ridiculously unproductive.
Was all the fanfare we read in the offseason nothing but hype? How can we produce so little against miserable pitching staffs from Milwaukee, Houston and New York?
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At some point, you have to wonder if the hitting coach ever really was to blame
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
by Ace Venom on Apr 20, 2010 11:31 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
My thoughts exactly...
Cubs fans may owe an apology to Gerald Perry and Von Joshua.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
I'm afraid the hitting coach isn't the problem.
…apparently no one can successfully coach players who refuse to listen. After all, what’s their motivation?
Too bad we can’t return to the days of one year contracts and the reserve clause.
"Look, what do you want me to do?"
That's not a good idea
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
You want another strike?
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
As I stated after they canned Perry...
…Hitting coach is the most overrated position in all of baseball!!!
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Well they went crazy the first 2 games of the Brewers series so dont say that, and eventually it falls on the players!! Im so tired of coaches getting the blame for everything and the players nothing
Baseball is way different to football and basketball, when somebody is having a rough time in a game or having a stretch you can take them out sub them in and out. Really in baseball what can you do during the game, you can only do so much. You have 6 guys on the bench so you never know when you will need them and resting guys in the bullpen dont wanna run them out there to much.
"Women...you can't live without them, and they can't pee standing up." Rube Baker
Derrek Lee said it best,
hitting coaches are over rated. Yourself — is your best batting coach.
I remember Rudy was talking about how much film he was studing on the players — I don’t know if he needed a longer spring training or what — but this team looks like it did last year. But you can only blame coaches for so long, maybe the hitters just aren’t good enough.
Hopefully it’s just early and they will turn it around.
2010 is OUR year.
How about a refund for Soriano even though he has been hitting better lately
"Women...you can't live without them, and they can't pee standing up." Rube Baker
Soto and Sori at least look better
I’d give him some more time, but it may be too late by that point.
''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou
If we blame Rudy for the lack of hitting, and...
…Larry for the bullpen woes, which coach do we compliment for the splendid starting pitching we’ve seen thus far?
"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie" -- Tony Montana
easy answer
not a coach but special assistant to the GM Greg Maddux. Just kidding I think Rothschild has done a very good job and pitching coaches do matter.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Apr 20, 2010 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Pole has not been with the Cubs for many years
He was Reds pitching coach until 2 years ago. Not sure if he is still in baseball
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Apr 21, 2010 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions
No one. You've been around here long enough to know -
When the pitchers are great, it’s beacuse they are great pitchers. When they fail, it’s all Rothschild’s fault . . .
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 21, 2010 6:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Larry has done what he can with the starting pitching and the bullpen
Sometimes, they’re just not good enough.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
I agree
Thought the sarcasm was clear. I guess it wasn’t.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 21, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Ryan is bound to pick it up sooner or later
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
The question is ...
should we get a refund on the people who thought the solution was a hitting coach.
I wasn’t going to mention this during the off season since there was a bit of a buzz about this acquisition. But late last season or shortly after the season a one Derrek Lee (if there’s one position player on this team to listen to, he’s the one) stated how a pitching coach prowess is over-hyped and that it’s the players that have to produce, period. Looks like he is dead nuts on.
Just win the next game...!
I've said this a few times as well
Cubs fans were grumbling after a disappointing season, and the “big” free agent signing of Marlon Byrd only made that grumbling louder. The hype of Jaramillo was just PR spin. He’s not a miracle worker like he was made out to be. No hitting coach is.
I would call out
Lou, yes I know the old adage, " he can’t hit or pitch", but he can lead. He needs to go. But this will fall on deaf ears.
Yup.
This team looks flat and unmotivated. You can contribute that to the manager. It seems like Lou is just uninterested. If so he needed to move on before the season started.
United we stand and united we'll fall......down on our knees the day we win it all!
by Bricks and Ivy on Apr 21, 2010 7:08 AM CDT up reply actions
AGREE YES BUT LOU
looks more alert than he did last season . Somehow they have to light a fire under him ASAP . Because the players look unmotivated to me .
+1
I agree. If you want to criticize Lou, its for the intangible qualities that a Manager is supposed to contribute to a team, not his in-game moves or lineup choices. The team is flat and underachieving. You can’t fire all 25 players, so you might as well fire Lou.
I don't think Lou is the problem
That said, I don’t really care if he’s let go. This ship is sinking regardless of the captain.
Here's what I don't get
Why is it the Cubs were a better team even in 2009 when Soriano hit leadoff?
I don’t want him at leadoff (or even batting for that matter) but it just seemed like the Cubs offense did the most damage when he was in that spot.
At some point the team has to look and say “what worked last year and 2007, 2008 as a team?”. Other than DeRosa/Byrd it’s pretty much the same lineup.
Well...
….that same lineup hastwo or three more years on the odometer….
"I tried to let Ryan know that [jumping over the dugout railing] was a thing that maybe just athletes should stick to." -- Ted Lilly, 28 July 2009
by CaughtInTheVines on Apr 21, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I was under the impression that it wasn't Gerald Perry's fault last year either.
That they just fired him to stir things up and hopefully get them going.
Personally, I think it’s the players, not the coach. I’d give Rudy some time.
"Chicago Cubs baseball is on the air."-Pat Hughes
I blame this entire team on Jim Hendry
Year after year we must continuously facepalm as we watch Jim fail miserably. The reason we are unable to acquire better talent is due to his asinine contracts. When he decides he wants someone, its “Balls to the Wall” and his judgement is completely clouded. Mult-year contracts have us stuck as a losing franchise right now, and it is an absolute embarassment that Jim Hendry has been allowed to continue this train wreck.
I am by no means saying I could do his job better, just saying that clearly there are GM’s who make much better decisions, and when you make as many horrible deals as Jim Hendry has, you should be fired. This isn’t the players’ fault. The team we have is simply not good enough. The players are not good enough. Jim Hendry has failed us.
You don't buy new ownership needs a year?
I completely agree with you. If you have watched many Cub games over the last 5 or so years (which they say they have), why would you need a year to “evaluate” Jim Hendry?
The minor league system has only recently begun to improve. The free agent signings that have not been busts are not able to overcome the ones that are. Certainly we’ve seen enough Jim Hendry and it’s time to let someone else run the personnel department. Could it get much worse?
I don’t want to hope this team loses 90-100 games this year, but I will if thats what needs to happen to get a new GM..
The journey is the reward!
Ricketts seem to have a good idea about good PR
And it looks like this year may have to be a bust because the Ricketts didn’t want to come in here and fire a bunch of people. In my opinion however, firing Jim Hendry would have been good PR. It would be telling us fans that although we are stuck in a steaming pile of sheeeet from Jim Hendry’s mistakes, that they won’t put up with it anymore. It needs to be done. He should have been fired years ago.
I don't think it's good business sense to come in and fire everybody
I also don’t think it’s good business sense to retain Hendry after this year.
this team has been horrrid
at situational hitting for years now. It’s the problem why the Cubs cannot play small ball and score runs when not hitting HR’s. This team continues to be reliant upon the longball and that is just not gonna get it done.
I’m hoping Jaramillo continues to work with these guys and stresses a philosophy other than swinging for the fences. They need to get on top and drive the ball down—hard ground balls and line drives. There are no bad hops in the air. We have way too many K’s and lazy flyouts.
This was a stretch for the Cubs to get off to a great start and have failed. So it makes digging out fo the hole more difficult as the schedule progresses.
My 2 cents..
The idea of “teaching” anything to guys at the major league level to me is fantasy. By the time a player gets to this level, his habits and patterns are largely established. You can certainly site outliers like Jim Frey turning Sandberg into a power hitter, but that is not the norm.
The problem is a lot of right handed hitters with long swings and little plate discipline. Those habits aren’t usually changed at the big league level.
The journey is the reward!
Especially hitting...
…hitting a baseball is a very reactional thing, and guys need to figure out the best way to do that on their own. Sure a hitting coach can help them with somethings, but their impact on either the negative or positive side is much less than most will lead you to believe.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
The results so far on the field....
are 100% on the players. Just like the results in the ’07 and ’08 playoffs (true, Lou should not have pulled Zambrano so early in Game 1 in 2007, but the offense still did nothing). All on the players. Not on the coaches. Not on the manager. Not on the GM. Not on Billy Sianis. Not on the fans, not on the Ricketts, and not on anyone or anything else. The players need to grow a pair, and start playing. The 5-9 start is absolutely 100% on them.
"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004
Let us not judge Rudy Jaramillo on this crisis.
Let us judge him on how he responds to this crisis.
by daver on Apr 21, 2010 12:05 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
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"Chicago Cubs baseball is on the air."-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Apr 21, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
A Texas view
I know what Rudy does and how he coaches the hitters, I’ve seen him first hand turn Josh Hamelton to a first pitch swinging hack, also Ian Kinsler into a power guy(hitting .260) I might add. All that being said, he has a way he teaches, these guy’s did’nt get here no knowing how to hit, maybe if they were’nt boo’ed after only a couple games, they would’nt press so much. What are we Philly?
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